When our founders wrote our Constitution, two common legal systems were in use by Western countries. The English common law system was chosen by the founders for the United States. The system they rejected was called Roman law.

The difference was English common law said anyone charged with a crime is innocent until guilt is proven to a jury of peers. Roman law said being charged is proof of guilt until the charged proved their innocence. Roman law has been adopted by socialist governments.

The closed-door impeachment process Democrats used was an “illegal, un-American, unconstitutional” Roman law fraud.

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Carlos Ponce

Schiff and Pelosi refuse to release exculpatory testimony from the closed door meetings. What is released is used to back their false narrative that led to the impeachment vote. That could be the reason why Pelosi will not release the Articles of impeachment to the Senate. The Senate will then have access to that testimony. McConnell has indicated that the Senate would follow the same procedure as with the Bill Clinton impeachment in which testimony was read to the public. That would include the exculpatory evidence.

Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX-26) stated, "They had armed guards outside the door. They still haven’t made all the transcripts available to members of Congress. And according to House rules any hearing the transcript is supposed to be available.”

domenico nuckols

At the closed door hearing Republicans had an opportunity to attend. President Trump has commanded that his staff not testify or supply documents. If the Republicans feel they are not getting a fair shake and the President is not guilty, call wittiness in the Senate hearing. Only a guilty man obstructs justice.

Carlos Ponce

"Only a guilty man obstructs justice." Justice s not being obstructed. In American jurisprudence the prosecution must prove your guilt. You don't prove your innocence. Your post indicates a lack of understanding on how American justice works. Democrats have not proven violation of any American law, high crime or misdemeanor. Democrats claimed they had enough witnesses to impeach him. Now they want more? Could it be they don't have a case?

Carlos Ponce

"President Trump has commanded that his staff not testify or supply documents." Obama did that. Was that grounds for impeachment? No. It was Executive Privilege.

"White House cites executive privilege, keeps Obama aide from testifying about Iran nuclear deal"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/17/wh-cites-executive-privilege-obama-adviser-testify/

Barack Obama cited executive privilege in refusing to release documents related to "Fast and Furious". The courts ordered certain documents had to be released. That's the way it works, Domenico. But Democrats had promised impeachment by Christmas and refused to wait for a court ruling.

Patricia C Newsom

Totally incorrect, Nichols....”Only a guilty man obstructs justice.” That is your opinion and not fact.

domenico nuckols

I sit corrected, Thanks

domenico nuckols

You do not have to violate any law to be impeached. The House decides what is a high crime or misdemeanor. It was the President who obstructed the house impeachment inquiry by denying it constitutional right for information.

Carlos Ponce

"The House decides what is a high crime or misdemeanor." True, but expect acquittal if the Senate disagrees and expect to be voted out if your constituents see it as a political ploy.

"It was the President who obstructed the house impeachment inquiry by denying it constitutional right for information." Then every president should have been impeached (even George Washington) using that low bar. (Except for the president who died shortly after election.) Like in US v Nixon, the Supreme Court decides if the information can be acquired. Democrats did not go there. Why? They knew SCOTUS would not side with them.

Gary Miller

Domenico> We have three equal parts of government. If one part, the House, asks another part, the president, to do something it doesn't want to do the courts are asked to decide if it must do it. Pelosi obstructed justice by not asking the courts to decide if Trump was acting within his constitutional rights. If you don't like it impeach Pelosi.

Jim Forsythe

Members of Congress cannot be impeached or recalled.

A member can be expelled from Congress, but that takes a two-thirds majority in whichever house the member serves in.

Bailey Jones

I'll just point out the obvious - there was no determination of guilt or innocence in the house impeachment process. It was an investigation. But I have the ask the question - in the senate trial, is it English law or Roman law that allows the accused to set the rules of the trial?

Carlos Ponce

It looks like Bailey is attempting another joke. It is American Law that allows the Senate to set the rules for the trial IN A WAY THAT FOLLOWS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. If they want the president or his counsel's input into the trial that's their prerogative as was done during Bill Clinton's impeachment trial. The Senate will follow precedent.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Jones, you have me curious. Now I have to ask. Was it English Law or Roman Law which set the rules for the House Investigation, where the majority hid pertinent documents, had secret meetings with unnamed whistleblowers, decline witnesses called by the minority reps, and shamelessly interrupt statements and testimonies of the minority cross examinations in order to protect the Democratic Fraud to impeach A duely elected President by the American voters?

Bailey Jones

I understand you have some experience in law enforcement, Charles. How much control of an investigation would you typically cede to the person you are investigating, or his counsel? I suspect the answer is, the minimum allowed by law.

Have you ever investigated a duly elected public official? Did the fact that he was duly elected and might lose his position if convicted prevent you from investigating him? I would certainly hope not.

As a LEO, have you ever followed up on an anonymous tip? Did you hunt down the whistle blower and present him to the accused, or his counsel?

It's true, the Republicans didn't get to steer the impeachment investigation away from Trump and toward the Bidens, as they would have preferred. It's true they didn't get to "out" the whistle blower (although Carlos did it for them here) and they weren't allowed to question the motives of the whistle blower in hearings - so instead did it through hearsay and proxies. It's also true that house rules allows the majority to set the rules - as it has always been. How many witnesses was HRC allowed to call during the Benghazi hearings?

Since we all like to hearken back to the Clinton impeachment - I'll just note that Clinton testified UNDER OATH during that investigation, and his SWORN testimony was available to senators during the trial.

Emile Pope

Mr. Jones, you forgot to drop the mic...

Charles Douglas

Mr. JONES ..in the institution of law in this country you have this thing called due process. During the fiasco put on by Nancy Pelosi, and Schiff, there was no due process forth coming. In my experiences in my career in law enforcement I dealt with arrests, citations, traffic controlling and court testifying most of the time, and was not directly involved in detective type investigations, which is a different branch of law enforcement. However even so, probable cause, reasonable suspicions had to be observed in the field, and in courts. Witnesses pertinent to the prosecution as well as the defense was made available to the prosecution, the defense, the accused, the Judge, and the jury if one was seated. That is why you don't have a prosecutor acting as a judge and jury, like Shifty SCHIFF did in his SHAM impeachment process the DEMOCRATS just put on.. That is not due process in America, .....maybe in Russia or China,....but not here. You mentioned my law enforcement background which I am proud of, now I will end by referencing my PATRIOTIC background by my war service to my country in Vietnam along with many other patriots ... many of which who did not make it home to say what I am about to say. I would hate to think that our sacrifices for our country bought us to what we see going on in America today coming from the LEFT! Terrorist sympathizers serving in Congress, our beloved Constitution being ripped to shreds by power hungry, lawless individual seeking to transform this great nation into a clone of what we see in the European Union with no borders. Politicians allowing an encouraging people to break the law, and resist it too! I don't think that was on our minds. If Liberals want and treasure bipartisanship then they should start acting bipartisan and STOP acting partisan.

Bailey Jones

Charles, you keep harping about due process - which applies to a trial - which hasn't happened yet. Attend a grand jury sometime and you'll notice that only one side is presenting evidence.

I appreciate your service. And I don't mind at all when you bring it up to attempt to bolster an argument that can't be won with simple facts.

Charles Douglas

You see Mr. Jones, this is what rubs me. You used my Law Enforcement Service to make your point ..in one of your prior posts, and you criticize me politely, for using my military service to make my point in my last post. Where OH where is the fairness!! Lolo.

Bailey Jones

Because your law enforcement experience is directly relevant to a discussion about investigations, trials, and due process, Charles. Your military service isn't.

Charles Douglas

Well sir you should ask me if I I think it to be revelant or not. You serve a nation with the expectation of fairness and equal opportunity! I got to say I have receive both and I'm grateful, but you are not being fair to me today. I'm sadden by that .......lolo

Bailey Jones

Oh dear, well I'm sorry to have saddened you, Charles. In my own defense, you should expect that sort of behavior from a terrorist sympathizing, constitution shredding, fraud perpetrating, tantrum throwing liberal. But because I like you, I'll endeavor to be less partisan in my rhetoric.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Jones, in case you don't known it I like you too. People like Gary, Jim, some others, we make this board work, sharing ideas and mindsets. I got a lot of respect for you guys even though we are on different sides of the political spectrum! Mr. Ponce, Gary, and Mr. GREY and myself are OGs from way back!!!![wink]

Gary Miller

Bailey> Constitutional law rules. The accused has the right to depend on the law. For some decades Democrats have objected to the Constitution interfering with their plans. They ignore the constitution every chance they get.

Gary Miller

Bailey> It isn't the accused trying to set the rules. The court will decide the rules according to English common law. The accuser, Pelosi, is trying to set the trial rules. That wouldn't be kosher under English or Roman law.

Bailey Jones

Gary - ever sit on a jury in a trial? Ever sit on a jury in a trial that had NO witnesses?

Jim Forsythe

During the Federal Constitutional Convention Massachusetts’s Elbridge Gerry, said impeachment was a way to keep the executive in check: “A good magistrate will not fear [impeachments]. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them.”

Just the other day, while reading through the various comments sections on the web, I came across the following, top rated comment: "It's simple - you either fully support Trump or you're the enemy!"

Notice - it is not support of the country, or the American People, or the Constitution - not ideals like freedom or democracy - not even right-wing interests like conservative values or the Republican Party.

But blind and total obeisance to Trump - and Trump alone.

What's worst, is that in their black & white worldview of stark absolutes - anything short of total, unquestioning support of Trump marks you as the enemy.

Charles Douglas

Jim you just defined how the LIBERALS think about Americans who do not support their cause, and views of the future of this country and the world! Look at AOC, and her SQUAD. Look at the Fraud perpetrated by Comey, McCade, Struzok, and the DEEP STATE! Now you have Pelosi acting like a small kid throwing a tantrum because she can't get her way. So she wants to monopolize and rig what's under her control, and what is under some other person's control too. I get it, you want conservatives to criticize conservatives, when Liberals will go down fighting for Liberals right or wrong! It is time for Liberals to quit depending on RINOS to help them get what they want and start demonstrating honesty, and unity if they want to generate those two qualities in our government processes.

Jim Forsythe

The Constitution for the United States of America is clear in how a impeachment process is to be handled, as they left it up to each time a impeachment process is started, to set the rules. The House and the Senate sets the rules each time.

Charles, Pelosi is doing what is allowed by law. Since she is the Speaker of the House, House rules are the ones that she is following. This is not the Clinton impeachment and as it's not, new rules are used. If Pelosi is doing anything illegal she needs to be brought up on charges.

Charles, exactly what did Pelosi do that was illegal? the Senate will set the rules when they receive the documents from the House. They will set the rules they will go by. If they do not get the rules they want , it will be their fault!

If AOC is doing something wrong charge her. If Comey, McCade, Struzok did something illegal , charge them and if found guilty send them to jail..Charles you talk about the deep state, which one are you talking about?

Carlos Ponce

Pelosi cannot set the rules for the Senate - which is what she's trying to do.

Jim Forsythe

If the Senate lets her, it's on them. If she is able to do so , it would be because of weak leadership.

Carlos Ponce

Senate will follow precedent. Pelosi will have to give in.

Jim Forsythe

It not will she turn over the papers. It's the timing, and did she get concessions form the Senate.

Timing,will the trial interfere with the Iowa caucus and will it be completed before the state of the union address.

Carlos Ponce

The Senate has offered NO concessions. Democrats in the House and Senate are calling on her to release the Articles of Impeachment. The Senate could not care less if she does not release them. Time is better utilized in other endeavors.

Charles Douglas

Ahh..Ahhh, Jim, you do know that Trey Gowdy joined the fox contributor team already, right? That guy is going to help us tremendously! Might be President Gowdy one day. Brilliant young politician.

Jim Forsythe

Charles, how is Trey going to make a difference in this years race? Are the people that watch Fox TV, Independents or Democrat's?

If Trey wants to be President, a better path would have been running for the Senate. How many people have killed their career by saying the wrong thing on TV. Every day on the air give a person plenty of potential traps that they did not see coming.Some of the following people had the same job, fox contributor, but all are no longer on fox, because they were fired. This is not the full list.

Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, Eric Bolling , Bob Beckel, Gretchen Carlson, Andrea Tantaros ,Rudi Bakhtiar, John Huddy, Dick Morris, Stacey Dash, Michelle Fields, Bo Dietl , Eric Burns, Sarah Palin.

Gary Miller

Jim> We support Trump because he is the first president in a long time that supports America's citizens and the Constitution. We are the Conservative Republicans supporting Trump. You are correct. Anyone opposing America or America's Constitution is the enemy.

Jim Forsythe

Not supporting Trump does not mean that a person is opposing America or America's Constitution.

If that was true then over 50% of adults in the USA would be un- American.

Gary, Trumps base (30%) will vote for him regardless and about (30%) will vote against him regardless

The rest (40%) will decide if Trump is Reelected or not.

Carlos Ponce

The 40% are catching on.

Jim Forsythe

It's to early to say who the 40% are backing .The only set candidate is Trump.

Also a lot of time for events that may change peoples mind.

The Iowa caucus has not even happened yet.

Bloomberg may be running as a Independent, which would change the race.

Carlos Ponce

Ask them.

Carlos Ponce

"A good magistrate will not fear [impeachments]. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them.” Trump did not fear impeachment because he knew he did NOTHING wrong. But he now wants the process finished so Congress can move on to non-partisan items that matter to the American populace.

jimmy winston

I love how things written 200+ years ago are still applicable to current day. Literally nothing has changed in that time, and there is no reason for laws and rules to change.

Charles Douglas

JIM! Excuse me Jim. I thought about calling on my friend Mr. JONES for this,...but then something hit me, saying NAW ..NAW...this is to go to Jim!!! So Jim, what time next week should our Senate dispose of this malicious FRAUD IMPEACHMENT Case against the best President this nation has ever had? Also should we continue to believe in RED-LINES in the dirt or sand? Lolo. All joking aside now, ...give me ýour opinion on what it is like to have a "Fighter" ..in the Oval Office who cares more about this nation and its citizenry than kowtowing to, and giving away out wealth, and jobs to other nations.

Bailey Jones

Charles - not to interject here - but next week is the ABUSE OF POWER IMPEACHMENT. The FRAUD IMPEACHMENT is next year - if he gets re-elected. In fact, the whole schedule goes like this -

2020 - ABUSE OF POWER IMPEACHMENT

2021 - FRAUD IMPEACHMENT

2022 - EMOLUMENTS IMPEACHMENT

2023 - Removal under Section 4 of the 25th AMENDMENT

[tongue]

Charles Douglas

I got you Mr. Jones. Get him out by hook or crook! Lolo.

Bailey Jones

Trump is the gift that keeps on giving!

Carlos Ponce

Democrats will be responsible for Trump's re-election.

Jim Forsythe

There hasn’t been sufficient time to evaluate the consequences of the actions and policies he’s taken.

But we can certainly start to evaluate. For instance, in presidential ranking polls of academic historians and political scientists, he’s been ranked dead last once and third-to-last once

We can also look at some of the measures that people typically use for presidents to get some ideas of where he’s at

Major milestones, the types of events and moments of leadership that define great presidencies of people like FDR, Lincoln, and Washington. Trump hasn’t had any. This means that, so far, he can’t make it into the top tiers of presidents.

Major pieces of legislation or policy that fundamentally improve the nation. The only major legislation passed under Trump was a tax cut that primarily benefited the rich (thereby violating one of his campaign promises). This means that, so far, he can’t really make it into, say, the upper half of presidents.

Diplomatic initiatives and alliances; Trump so far has sunk confidence in the US for almost all of our traditional allies, only managing to make Saudi Arabia sort of happy (and Congress has gone against him on it). Okay, now he’s definitely in the bottom half.

In addition to the above, he’s also made overtures to figures like Putin and Kim Jong-Un…giddy overtures, the contents of which aren’t always publicly known (or even known to Congress or our intelligence agencies) that severely strain credibility for our values of democracy, freedom, and human and civil rights. Now Trump is sinking into the bottom quarter.

Social unity: great presidents do their best to unite the country and work for the betterment of all. Trump has most emphatically failed at this…and has done so very deliberately and intentionally. He is an intensely divisive figure, something that he strives for as part of his reality TV presidency. At this point Trump is solidly in the bottom quarter of presidencies and sinking further.

As part of the above, Trump has been very weak on demographic issues, encouraging, through words and deeds, discrimination based on gender, gender identity, race, national origin, and religion. Trump is now in the bottom ten, easily.

Despite popular support and scientific/expert backing for a wide range of policies like universal healthcare, climate change mitigation, and economic readjustment away from supply-side economics, Trump has spearheaded going against all of those and more. His overall prioritization of feelings and loyalty over facts and experience creates a lack of competency in his administration that shows. Solidly in the bottom ten now.

Trump is a bully, using his platform to spew hatred against any who disagree with him. He’s assaulted the free press as well as basic facts. This sinks him into the bottom five.

He lies, lies, lies, and lies some more . I’d say that this likely puts him at the bottom of the bottom five…but still with some room to float a bit.

He has a history of extremely shady business dealings, including using his inherited wealth and bullying tactics to stiff contractors, customers, and investors. And if it turns out that there is evidence of criminal wrongdoing while in office (and/or if more comes out about his dealings beforehand), I’d definitely put him at dead last, no question

Carlos Ponce

"presidential ranking polls of academic historians" You actually believe those ivory tower academics? How sad[sad]

Jim Forsythe

More than 50% believe that "It's simple - you either fully support Trump or you're the enemy!". Since you are in the less than 50% group, your take is different than mine.

When ever the Senate is done, Trump will still be the 3ed President impeached. It will be in the history books forever.

Carlos Ponce

It's simple, Jim. Either you support the Constitution and the Rule of Law or you don't. Disagreement on policy is not an impeachable offense. But Democrats think otherwise.

Jim Forsythe

The Constitution was carved out to allow for unforeseen events in the years that came after it's went into use. I support the Constitution, just as Gerald Ford did.

" What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

Carlos Ponce

If you support this impeachment you do not support the Constitution. Read The Federalist Papers. Alexander Hamilton warned against political impeachments. With Trump's re-election the American people will speak out this was a SHAM of an impeachment.

Charles Douglas

Could be Jim, but I don't think history will be that unkind to President Trump. Don't forget, the man has four more YEARS to be productive, to tear down, and to build up!

Jim Forsythe

How is it unkind for history to report the fact, that Trump was impeached? Trump has not finished the term he was elected for. Will he have 4 more years? If he wins reelection yes, but if he does not get reelected, no! No matter what happens, he will still be impeached.

Carlos Ponce

And history will record this as a PURELY POLITICAL Impeachment with NO CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS

Jim Forsythe

"The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history"

Carlos Ponce

And they will be judged by the American people for that impeachment. When Trump is re-elected the message will be sent. When Democrats lose seats in elections the message will be sent. This was a sham impeachment. And history will record it as such.

Jim Forsythe

Was Clintons impeachment, a POLITICAL Impeachment?

What is a sham to you, is not to others! It was carried out by the rules spelled out in the Constitution. If less than 50% of the people do not vote for Trump, will that mean that the American people was in favor of impeachment of Trump? Impeachment is low on the reasons that people will vote for or against Trump.

How many votes did Trump receive last time because people voted against Clinton?

How many people today, know why Andrew Johnson was impeached? The same will be true with Trump, some will know Trump was impeached but few will know why! Trump wanted to go down in the history books, and he will as one of 3 President impeached.

Students test question will be, name the 3 President that were impeached.

When Trump is re-elected the message will be sent. When Democrats lose seats in elections the message will be sent.

When Trump is not re-elected the message will be sent. When Democrats gain seats in elections the message will be sent. With a statement like those you must think voters will only thinking about impeachment when voting. You really think that the only reason people will have is the impeachment of Trump . Impeachment is not even on the top 10 reasons people will vote for or against Trump.

Charles Douglas

Jim you talk like impeachment is a big deal! In the past it might have been but the LEFT, and DEMOCRATS, along with the DEEP STATE, who came after Trump when he placed his hand on the bible taking the oath of office, have relegated it to be nothing! Who cares about a LIBERAL hoax impeachment? He is still and will remain in office. Trump will win a second term and continue doing what Trump was elected to do You always seems to see the glass half-empty. I don't, I tend to view it as half-full! I agree with Mr. PONCE, history will also record a DEMOCRATIC and FAKE NEWS MEDIA conspiracy to frame and destroy a duely elected President elected by the American people. That is what I think, and what I believe. Lastly, I see nobody on the LEFT who stand a chance of beating Trump, from Joe Biden down to BETO, the skateboard rider! They might be compelled to reconsider Mr. O'ROURKE, ..judging by what is out there.

Jim Forsythe

Charles, was it a big deal when Clinton was impeached? Impeachment still a big deal, otherwise Trump would never tweet about it. If it is not a big deal why is the Senate in a hurry to get the papers from the House? If it was not a big deal they would never want them delivered. If it is not a big deal, why would Congress members make statement after statement about how they are for or against impeachment.

If it is not a big deal, why do you reply about impeachment? Making statements that it is a sham, when if it made no difference, most would not reply.

History will write that Trump was impeached and will not add that some thought that it was a sham, but a majority did not.

Charles, name 3 President that were impeached. The only answer includes Trump, even if some do not agree. Some may include Nixon, but he was not impeached. Some say that he quit, because was thinking that if he was impeached, he could not be pardoned.

Charles you never know about elections. At this time the polls that predict Electoral Collage votes, are saying that at this time the majority will not go to Trump .No polls are talking about more than 190 votes for any candidate at this time, as many areas EC votes will not become clear until much latter.

That can change many times before the election. Polls always become tighter, the closer we come to election day.

With the strong possibility of a brokered convention, anything can happen including Bloomberg coming in the back door.

If Bloomberg does not get the nomination, he may run as a 3ed parity candidate. That would change the whole election if Thomas Steyer was his V.P., as they would have unlimited money to spend.

Carlos Ponce

"Was Clintons impeachment, a POLITICAL Impeachment?" No. You can find the CRIME Bill Clinton committed on the law books. Can't do the same with Donald Trump is accused of. Even though Bill committed a CRIME the Senate decided it was not a high crime. But he was disbarred.

Carlos Ponce

And whenTrump is re-elected history will record this as 1) Yes he was impeached but 2) the American people saw there was no judicial basis for it - PURE POLITICS!

Jim Forsythe

History is already written, Johnson, Clinton, Trump are the three presidents that were impeached. I see no footnotes that Clintons impeachment was about politics because its implied with any impeachment. It is possible that Trump could be the first President impeached two times. Only if he win again, which is a long way off, and the American people still have to vote.

Charles Douglas

I want to reemphasize how comical it is going to look to those of the future when they see where a great President was plotted on, spied on, lied on, and ganged up on by LIBERAL POLITICIANS, and the American people not only kept him in office but....RETURNED HIM TO OFFICE ..for four more big years, to secure the work he started. Impeachment is what it is, and will remain ....a lie used to accomplish a selfish end, but failed to produce desired results. Look at Pelosi now. She is so out done it is not funny. Her own people are deserting her. She made herself a spectacle, I'm glad Mr. McConnell put her in her place! Now Schumer can quit crying too.

Jim Forsythe

You see it as you see it. It does not make it true, just as what other people think, does not make what they think true.

You see Nancy as a spectacle other see her as a leader. What you see as a negative other see as a positive.As far as McConnell, some like him some do not.

Trump may win or he may not. If he wins it will not make him popular with 50% or more of the people.

A great President unites all the people of the United States of America. This,Trump will never do.

Mike Zeller

The 2016 Blue Wave, to be continued ...........

Carlos Ponce

Dream on, Mike Zeller! I remember how many Democrats were elected in Galveston County in 2018 - NONE. And I can remember how many were elected to state wide races - NONE. Math Lesson: 0 + 0 = 0.

Jim Forsythe

No matter what, Trump is impeached. You may not like Nancy, but she did her job.

From now on, Trump will be know as the 3ed President that was impeached.. It is possible he also may be the first President to be impeached 2 times, if he is reelected.

That would be a record that would not be broken for many years.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, Nancy has problems.

Jim Forsythe

Nancy has a majority in the House, how is that a problem for her?

Carlos Ponce

"Nancy has a majority in the House" for now. That's why AOC is spending money to fund the candidacies of Socialist Democrats to displace Democrats not so far to the left.

"Justice Democrats, which was co-founded by Ocasio-Cortez chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti, has already announced it is looking to unseat seven-term pro-life Texas Democratic Rep. Henry Cuellar, who represents a conservative district and has boasted about his endorsement from the National Rifle Association. Also on the list: New York Rep. Eliot Engel, the House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman who's currently in his 16th term." AOC was listed on the Board of "Justice Democrats" until a complaint was filed.

Jim Forsythe

I was under the impression that we were talking about Nancy.

Now is all we can talk about. AOC and Nancy are two different people. What she is doing, is what she is doing. Rep. Henry Cuellar may win reelection if he has the support. If not, then he will not get reelected. New York Rep. Eliot Engel is the same, He will get reelected if he has the support.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, if you cannot figure out that AOC is a major problem for Nancy, I can't fix that.

Jim Forsythe

Nancy can take care of AOC if she wants. Nancy has the power to run the House how she wants, as far as AOC is concerned. As I'm not in NY 14, a district in Queens and The Bronx , I have no reason to worry about what AOC does.

Carlos Ponce

Oh, how sad ! Nancy's just a figurehead. She has lost control. Jim can't see it!

Jim Forsythe

If she has lost control, why is Trump impeached?

She has timed the delivery of the arterials of impeachment to fit her timeline, not Trumps.

Carlos Ponce

"If she has lost control, why is Trump impeached?" She realized the ramifications of impeachment and fought against it. The "Squad" forced her into it after AOC threatened to primary any Democrat who sat on opposition- and that included Pelosi.

"She has timed the delivery of the arterials of impeachment to fit her timeline, not Trumps." Do you really believe that? She promised her caucus she would not forward the articles of impeachment unless McConnell conceded to her demands. That did not happen.

Jim Forsythe

Timeline is as close to the state of the union address as possible, and have the Iowa caucus campaigning almost over.

Carlos Ponce

Just face it, Jim. Pelosi CAVED in on her demands. Does anybody with a modicum of intelligence really think Trump will be removed?

Jim Forsythe

Nancy has done her job and it will be up tp the Senate as to what happens next, on the impeachment of Trump. Nancy can only run the House and she has accomplished the task of overseeing the impeachment of Trump, which has been done. If the standard for impeachment was that a President must be removed, or do not start impeachment, the Constitution would have said so. Just because you do not like that Trump was impeached, does not mean she did not do her job. Nancy has no control how the Senate will vote, but she had control over how the House proceeded with the Impeachment of Trump. Job of impeachment of Trump is done.

12/19/18---Fox News Hosts Say Nancy Pelosi Outplayed Donald Trump Over Border Wall, Government Shutdown: 'What A Stunning Turn of Events'

Carlos Ponce

Newsweek headline-"Fox News Hosts Say Nancy Pelosi Outplayed Donald Trump Over Border Wall" December 19, 2018, . FOX and Friends co-host Steve Doocy said "Just last week the president of the United States was in the Oval Office with Chuck and Nancy and he said, 'I would be proud to shut down the government, and now it's like, 'You know what, we're looking in other departments for the money.' "

Outplayed ? No. Trump chose not to play their game - no negotiation, no bargaining to provide money for a border wall, let's get the money another way - AND HE DID! In the end, Trump GOT THE MONEY, DUH, JIM!!!!!! Trump got what he wanted!!!!!!! Doocey wanted Trump to fight it out with the Democrats. Trump chose a different path with the desired outcome. Doocey never said "outplayed".

And that Newsweek article was from December 19, 2018, over a year ago. In the latest omnibus bill (December 19, 2019), Trump got more money for the border wall. "The House passed the $1.4 trillion spending bill with bipartisan support. The bill will fund $1.375 billion for establishing borders and increasing security along the southern border. The spending bill does not alter the number of detention beds for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency and does not limit President Trump’s national emergency authority to reappropriate money to build a wall on the border."

TIME TO CATCH UP, JIM! YOU'RE A YEAR BEHIND THE TIMES!

Emile Pope

And Mexico paid for it...

Carlos Ponce

Now that Nancy got off her duff and let the House vote on USMCA, Mexico will pay for it.

Jim Forsythe

No matter what, Trump is impeached. You may not like Nancy, but she did her job.

From now on, Trump will be know as the 3ed President that was impeached.. It is possible he also may be the first President to be impeached 2 times, if he is reelected.

That would be a record that would not be broken for many years.

Carlos Ponce

The Democrat Party will pay dearly for what is clearly a political unsubstantiated sham of an impeachment. History will record Nancy as a vindictive, partisan speaker.

Charles Douglas

Jim, I agree with you 100 percent, concerning your post about one believes what they want to believe. I have to say this has finally bought us to a consensus! What I think does not mean everybody will see it the same. That also applies to you also. So that brings us to a point where we will just have to wait until the voting starts, next week and throughout the year in order to see what the people say! I can live with that, hope you can. My boy Trump won't let me down. Nice talk swap.

Jim Forsythe

A boy that is 73 years old?

Jim Forsythe

Charles,the heading of the is "Democrats using un-American law to impeach Trump " so yes I will respond to Letters to the Editor, thats about impeachment, with commits' about impeachment.

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