The commentary by the Rev. James E. Daniels ("The truth still matters in these divisive times," The Daily News, Nov. 23) is excellent. I agree with Daniels in questioning how we can support someone who doesn't have a moral compass.

How can we support President Donald Trump who would rather climb up on a stump and tell a lie rather than stand on the ground and tell the truth?

Yes, the truth does indeed matter.

Daniel Pickett

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David Hardee

The first problem with your posting is that Rev. Daniels never mentioned Trump by name or the author of the article he referenced. The Rev. couched his recriminations like a politician, sneaky. Second what you claim as lying is merely the style of rhetoric required for competing in the world of politicians, reverends and lawyers.

Third, you declaring that President Trump has no moral compass is too general and deceitful. Make a specific claim with proof or retract. IMMORALITY definition - Immoral, referring to conduct, applies to one who acts contrary to or does not obey or conform to standards of morality; it may also mean licentious and perhaps dissipated. Abandoned, referring to condition, applies to one hopelessly, and usually passively, sunk in wickedness and unrestrained appetites. The MORAL STANDARDS in our society so convoluted/polluted there is none.

Unfortunately, if we use your standard “no moral compass” it will include a larger percentage of the American Society. The moral decay of American society can easily be chronicled. A few examples: acceptability of abortion - a desecration of the family unit – guttural and profane lyrics in music - a proliferation of sexual acts as entertainment – children being the victims of pedophiles, etc.

Charles Douglas

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Don Schlessinger

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Dalton Logan

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Emile Pope

Oh I don't know...sleeping with pornstars while your wife is recovering from childbirth, scam universities, numerous adulterous behavior and wives, stiffing creditors, using a charity to steal money and spend it on yourself...lying, cheating, stealing. I guess the Reverend figured out who he was talking about since Donald is the only one who fits the description...

Carlos Ponce

Looks like Emile uses the gossip rags to determine whom to vote. Voted for Bill Clinton, right?

Cary Semar

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Bailey Jones

"The key to developing tolerance is to separate the validity of an idea from the validity of the person holding the idea. Behind every idea is a motivation that is shaped by hopes and fears. If we are able to identify this underlying motivation, we will see the wish to find happiness and to be free from suffering." —Khentrul Rinpoche

David Hardee

Bailey, The issue in this thread is Trump's MORAL COMPASS. Stay on point for once. morality is not a person's"idea." It is a societal standard constructed from DISCRIMINATION as to good and bad. The individuals (person) can adhere or revolt and thus be moral or immoral to the standard. This Pickett article declares "Trump has no moral compass." That is a sanctimonious statement that is intended as TOTAL character annihilation. PIckett used diceitful hyperbole and must be retracted or proven.

Bailey Jones

"Trump has no moral compass" can indeed be seen as hyperbole. It can also be seen as a common idiom for someone who routinely violates moral norms.

Does Trump lie? Yes

Is Trump a serial adulterer? Yes?

Does Trump engage in character assassination? Yes

Does Trump promulgate lies and fake conspiracies to denigrate others? Yes.

and so on.

So, where does Trump lie on your scale of "good to bad"? And how does he compare to what you want in a president?

And whatever your answer, I'll make a point of not judging you as a person for it.

David Hardee

Bailey, Thanks for getting back on point! With the exception of "serial adulterer - which you must prove or recant - all your recriminations are evident. Trump, the person is a flawed human. And his high position exposes his every flaw. And in the JURY (public venue) there cannot be a scale. Trump the person deserves recrimination. But Trump the President is the collective reflection on the society that elected him. "We the People" (society and both parties)are seriously flawed society. He is our flawed president!

The most salient feature of the Trump presidency is that the People" are seeing ourselves and consequently disgusted. Trump has caused universal flaws to come to the surface and all good men do not like what they see. The chaos and traumas Trump has caused the swamp creatures to start to become cannibals devouring each other. Society is benefitting (purging) from the Trump flawed presidency. Trump whether intentional or not is draining the swamp.

God or some prime mover has blessed America. This is a bloodless revolution on morality that hopefully results in MAGA.

Carlos Ponce

Looks like Bailey would dislike an adulterer who spied on a bathing woman, had an affair with her, got her pregnant, sent her husband on a dangerous mission that could and did get him killed. Yet he was made after God's own heart. We call him King David.

Bailey Jones

That's an interesting POV, David, and one I haven't considered before. Personally, I don't see much of myself in Trump (except we're both old and fat), but rather I see my antithesis - and that's why he irritates me as no other president of any party has before.

Bailey Jones

Oh no, Carlos - you got me wrong. David is one of my FAVORITE Bible characters. David, the handsome young gay shepherd boy - his battle with Goliath, his love affair and marriage covenant with Jonathan, Saul's quite understandable desire to see David killed, the tearful last meeting between David and Jonathan, bloody wars and the death of Jonathon, Saul's suicide, David's madness, mass murder, intrigue, betrayal, prophets, ghosts - what's not to like? It's an epic. Shakespearean before there was such a thing.

But yeah, I wouldn't vote for a murderer for president.

Carlos Ponce

You have a misperception of David.

Bailey Jones

Could be, Carlos, Baptists don't have intermediaries - we have to figure scripture out on our own.

Carlos Ponce

Study, I suggest you study the original Hebrew scripture.

Bailey Jones

I have, with my trusty Strong's Concordance. Fun fact - the word translated as "rib" in the Genesis account of the creation of Eve occurs nowhere else in the same context so its meaning isn't exactly clear. In some rabbinical traditions it's translated as "baculum", which makes sense because man isn't missing any ribs, but is missing the baculum, which almost every other male mammal has.

The More You Know......

David Hardee

Bailey, Happy Thanksgiving! Your reply to my submission as a POV gives it short shrift. My submission was only a synopsis of that point in time (Trump presidency and society over the last 3 years) and is more than a simpleton’s POV. My synopsis was a small product from a 60 year chronicling of causes and effects being evaluated. The entire historical details are available for any that want to know where we were and how we got here. Just follow the FEDERAL government’s acts and the effects on society’s morality.

Also, Bailey - Why did you insert your morality as comparison to Trump’s EFFECT on the GENERAL MORALITY OF AMERICA’S SOCIETY. You are inconsequential. You do what is one of the determents to any fruitful discussion. You equate any discussion as personal (ME-ISM). Stopping the me-ism will allow the big picture (SOCIETY) to be the object of consideration – debate. If you live in a cesspool and splashing yourself with cologne is not a solution.

Bailey Jones

And Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, David.

Referring to your POV wasn't meant to denigrate your comment - but I can see how it might sound like "well, that's just your opinion...". I meant to communicate that it was a thought that I found interesting and worth thinking about. I replied in terms of my own morality because I don't identify with Trump's immorality. I don't consider Trump's flaws to be "universal", but rather, extraordinary.

Carlos Ponce

Yes, the truth does indeed matter. Daniel Pickett wouldn't recognize it.

Dalton Logan

So Mr. Daniels wants to lecture others about their moral compass as he writes and preaches to others about supporting the people who support the termination of the unborn, with the majority of the unborn being of his own race. I think Daniels will have some explaining to do when his mortal time is up. I will pray for you Mr. Daniels and your congregation which you are leading down a slippery slope.

Kimberley Jones Yancy

And so will racist people have to face God about their hateful deeds and the slaughter of millions due to slavery and a crooked judicial system. Sin is still Sin no matter who conducts it. And let’s get the facts straight. Abortion is performed by all races and the majority is not done by people of color. Ask Trump. Rev. Daniels is not a pastor, he is a minister. I have never known him to advocate and support abortion anywhere. And yes the white evangelicals who sit in pulpits and refuse to acknowledge that racism is sin and say “We don’t talk race in our pulpits because it’s too political” ....well the blood will be on their hands. Sin is still sin. God is looking at us all and shaking His head.

Carlos Ponce

And so will Democrats have to face God about their hateful deeds and the slaughter of millions of babies due to abortion? Abortion, by the way is racist when you compare the race of those aborted - a much higher percentage of Blacks than the general population. Racist Margaret Sanger would be pleased if she could see Democrats carrying out her dream of genocide. [sad]

Charles Douglas

Ms Yancy, while more babies aborted in this country are not minorities, the GREATER percentage of babies aborted by race ARE minorities, and I think you know that. If this is true, and I believe it is, the BLACK race is beiing decreased faster, by abortion than any other race of people! There are more White people in the USA, than BLACKS, for instance, but there are more BLACK babies aborted percentage wise of race than White or Hispanic! Let me also say what my rule of thumb for living is: 1) If you are part of an organization of institution, and wrongdoing is practiced, you should either SPEAK out against it or 2) You should leave! You said sin is sin, I concur. That means that he who LIES, is no better than he who STEALS, therefore Judge not, that thou be not JUDGED,.....in laymen terms...THE POT should not call the KETTLE, mettle! Question, sin wise ...What makes Trump worse than Obama or Clinton? If sin is sin, then are the sins committed by Trump worse than the sins committed by Clinton or Obama? Just something to think about.

https://abort73.com/abortion/abortion_and_race/

Bailey Jones

Don't worry, Carlos and Charles, Trump's SC will have women giving birth to unwanted babies again in no time. And by "women", of course, I mean just those poor and low income women who can't afford a quick trip to Canada.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey first supports terrorists killing US Marines. Now he supports the killing of innocents. That's today's Democrat Party for you!

Bailey Jones

And Carlos shows his affinity for Trump by murdering the truth. Again.

Carlos Ponce

Everything is based on your posts, Bailey.

Dalton Logan

Easy question, dose Mr. Daniels support those who support the killing of the unborn?

Jarvis Buckley

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