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Gary Scoggin

Which liberal think tank is predicting this? For the record, they maybe right.

Bailey Jones

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/politics/democrats-2020-election.html

It's an internal analysis of Democratic Party performance in 2020. I would not be at all surprised. Dems have always been their own worst enemy, and Republicans have gotten very good at squeezing more and more seats out of fewer and fewer votes. Fun fact - even though the Senate is split 50/50, the Democratic half represents 41,500,000 more Americans than the Republican half.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1002593823/how-democratic-is-american-democracy-key-pillars-face-stress-tests

Carlos Ponce

Are stolen votes legitimate votes? Democrats seem to think so.

Ed Buckner

An absurd assertion, unsupported by any facts, Carlos Ponce. There have been a very few cases where courts or officials have found fraud in voting--but these few have been GOP-led, not Democratic. For example (facts? don't be throwing those in, Ed)-- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-north-carolina-idUSKCN1QG2FS

Carlos Ponce

That Ed Buckner calls this "An absurd assertion" is priceless. It shows that there's something to it!

Gary Miller

Bailey> you make a common mistake. All the blue states represented by Democrat senators have more Red counties than blue counties.

Ed Buckner

Gary Miller, so your argument is that counties matter but voters don't? Bailey's point is that duly elected Democratic Senators represent that many million more voters than duly elected Republican Senators. Far more counties are "red" (majority Republican) but that is directly because population in counties varies quite widely. Harris County (Houston) has 10 times as many people as Wyoming, but Wyoming has 2 US Senators, the same as Texas. Galveston County has more than half as many people as Wyoming but no US Senators. Facts matter.

Carlos Ponce

"Galveston County has more than half as many people as Wyoming but no US Senators." Galveston County voted for two US Senators that currently serve in the Senate.

Bailey Jones

Counties don't vote, Gary. What you're really saying is what we all know - rural areas tend to vote R, urban areas tend to vote D. And we fight over the suburbs. Only about 1 in 6 Americans live in rural areas, about 1 in 3 live in urban areas, the remaining half are in the suburbs. The rural population is shrinking - and with it, the reliable Republican base. The cities are full and no longer growing - the reliable Democratic base. The growth is in the suburbs - the political battleground for both parties.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/05/22/demographic-and-economic-trends-in-urban-suburban-and-rural-communities/

Carlos Ponce

"The Times, they are a-changin'" It was thought that border cities voted D. But McAllen just voted an R for mayor. Add to that the number of Republican votes in border counties increasing in November 2020.

Ed Buckner

Right you are, Bailey Jones.

Gary Miller

Bailey> The states Senators represent don't have so many more population than Red states State wide vote counts are always close. A few more people may live in blue states than Red states but Senators represent voters in more Red counties than blue counties.

Gary Miller

31 of 50 states are Red, Less than 600 counties of 3113 US total are blue. More Senators represent Red counties and states than blue. Only 31 Senators represent blue states. This is caused by the worst Amendment, # 17, ever ratified in the US constitution. The original constitutional wording intended the Senate to be the state voice in congress and the house the peoples voice in congress. Today the Senate speaks for a political party. Under the original wording the Senate would be 62 GOP and 38 liberal. 19 states should never represent more than 31 states in the senate.

Gary Miller

Bailey> You seem to not know the GOP won the 2020 election. Won more mayors, city council seats, Governors, state legislators and seats in congress.The people who made out the fake Biden ballots didn't include down ballot races.

Bailey Jones

I watch the news, Gary, I know that the Republicans did very well in the down-ballot races. The only Republican they wouldn't vote for was Trump. That's the harsh reality that you and he still can't accept.

Gary Miller

Gary S.> University of Maryland was source of story.

Gary Scoggin

Thank you.

Gary Miller

Gary S. >Town Hall didn't say if the university of Maryland think tank was students or professors. News Max sort of indicated it was professors leading students.

Gary Miller

One thing helping conservatives is a rapid recovery of the Trump economy as covid 19 shutdowns are relaxed. Recovering faster in Red states than blue states. Blue state voters are becoming aware of the difference.

Ted Gillis

University students. What do they know?

Gary Miller

Ted> University students learn how to run surveys. Do you?

Gary Miller

This university think tank avoided issues Democrats worry about. There are nearly enough Red states to call a Constitutional Convention of states, which could propose conservative amendments. One might make abortion illegal after heart beat detected. Another could make non citizen voting in any Federal, State or City election illegal. An amendment could make education universal choice with funding following students.. A balanced budget amendment with a supper majority required to raise taxes. No military draft without 3/4 vote in congress. Others could strengthen the bill of rights or repeal amendments like # 17 and # 22. Our socialist type entitlements might be privatized. A fair or flat tax could be adopted.

Bailey Jones

Gary, I hope that your predictions for the next election will be every bit as good as your predictions for the last election.

Gary Miller

Bailey> I vote but do not predict outcome.

Michelle Aycoth

What you can’t buy states to stay or turn blue ?

Andy Aycoth

Ted Gillis

Oh yes Gary, because private industry knows how to bankrupt just about anything.

Keep your private mooches out of our so called “entitlements” as you call them. We’ve all seen what they can do. Once they’ve separated the profitable parts off, they will claim the others are not worth their time and drop it back on the citizens.

Just give it up already Gary and enjoy retirement and the rest of your life. Let the young people decide what kind of world they need, not what you and your right wing cronies assume they should live in. Don’t feed them a bunch of rubbish.

Gary Miller

Ted> Privatizing entitlements would eliminate thousands of bureaucrats, providing more money for needy. Progressives are the buyers of rubbish like Fauci.

Gary Scoggin

I'm all for privatization of "entitlements" so long as we use the proper incentives. For example, in the area of healthcare, are we incentivizing to minimize health care costs or to maximize positive medical outcomes? There are legitimate tradeoffs between the two. But how are those tradeoffs to be made?

Robert Braeking

Ed Buckner wrote: "There have been a very few cases where courts or officials have found fraud in voting--"

When the fox investigates the destruction of the hens, it is unlikely that foxes will be implicated.

Bailey Jones

And yet even Fox can't find credible evidence against the foxes.

Carlos Ponce

The evidence is there, Bailey.

Bailey Jones

The evidence is there, Carlols, Biden won by 7 million votes. You bet $1000 that Trump would still be president on Jan 20th. And you lost. Because he lost. Because he's a loser. And because you can't admit that simple fact, you are as well. Not #worldsbiggestloser, maybe #worldspenultimateloser. Ooh-ooh, I know - #carloser!

Carlos Ponce

Trump is President.

Bailey Jones

[lol] haha - poor Carloser. You are hilarious.

"Do you believe? Oh, please, please believe. If you believe, wherever you are, clap your hands and she'll hear you. Clap! Clap! Don't let Tink die! Clap! "

[lol]

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, get your checkbook ready.

Gary Scoggin

I think that polarization of America into two camps of roughly equal size makes the thesis that elections will tend to seesaw between red and blue very plausible. Presidential elections and Senate elections will be decided on the margins of the electorate and since the "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" many people will tend to support whomever doesn't happen to be in power at the time.

In theory, at least, this is a good reason to keep the fillabuster, in order to avoid whipsaws of national policy everytime there is a change in power. Unfortunately, compromise appears to be a lost art in Congress these days and the willingness of both sides to come together to get a 60 vote majority on important issues takes a back seat to scoring points on the media channels of choice.

Bailey Jones

I'm of mixed views on the filibuster. I like the old style talking filibuster. But we seem to be stuck in this situation where having the filibuster means nothing gets done, but removing the filibuster means one party rule. I attribute this to decades of partisan gerrymandering which tends to elect extremists on both sides, and makes "compromise" a capital crime.

Gary Miller

Bailey> Compromise sounds good but it usually results in half the bad being adopted and half the good being rejected. I'd suggest any poiltician wanting a compromise be kicked out of office and prohibited from ever running again.

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