In response to the letter by Kris Graves ("Stop bashing President Trump, he's getting this done," The Daily News, Jan. 14):

I think what's becoming evident is an issue of “Do the ends justify the means?” I will be the first to acknowledge Trump has strived to meet his promises to the people and to admit there's evidence of success in the end results of his endeavors.

Based only on information in her letter, the claims made by the Associated Press are that Trump made false boasts (lies about performance) ("Trump closes out old year with series of false boasts," The Daily News, Jan. 5). This is a “means of accomplishment issue.” Graves asks what about all the “good things coming from his presidency? This is an “ends” (end results) issue.

This “ends versus the means” is an age-old controversy. I think if a person reads each and every letter submitted on this topic, they can “pick out” which issues involve behaviors resulting in applaudable performances and which issues involve behaviors in violations of moral or ethical codes. These are “apples and oranges” claims, and I think you can have both be correct although diametrically opposed.

Susan Powell



Recommended for you

(25) comments

Emile Pope

Just one problem...his ends are corrupt and his “means” are even worse...

Charles Douglas

Well, look at Trump's economy. Look at the job creation numbers! Look at the trade deals Mr Trump is making where other Presidents before him never dared to "DREAM" they could negotiate. Look at how our military has been rebuilt to be next to none, and the best on the planet. Look at African-Americans, Hispanic, Women unemployment been at all-time lows and Asians too! Look at the fact that under Trump we are oil independent for the first time ever! We are the leaders in clean coal, and tracking technology! Look at the help Trump has succeeded in getting from Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, and other South American nations in helping to control illegals crossing at our southern borders. Look at the law passed to give a second chance to deserving inmates of prisons, many being minorities. Look at the red tape he has cut to make sure Veterans of this nation are treated fairly! Look at how many in this country are off food stamps now, and are working today! Look at what Trump did to ISIS,.. don't take my work let me call a witness, My first is ABU AL BAGHDDADI. He was a bad boy! WAS!!! Let's call Soleimani the Iranian. Mr. SOLEIMANI,... Oh Mr. Soleimani!!!!! He can't talk now! Shall I go on? I got plenty more!!! Let me say this, might not like Trump's demeanor, but he is arguably one of the top 2 or 3 if not the best President and leader of this country EVER! I will be honest with you, I was around on the bad side of SEGREGATION, schools, public facilities, the whole works, and there has not been a better, nor smarter Kick @$$ President than DONALD J. TRUMP in my lifetime! The problem is this...Trump beat the BUSH DYNASTY, and THE CLINTON POLITICAL MACHINE, and he swore to drain the SWAMP, on his waý to the White House! The Swamp is fighting back, with the help of the FAKE NEWS, DEEP STATE, RINOS, and do nothing DEMOCRATICS, who want open borders, free college for all, free healthcare, for all, Reparations for illegals, and SLAVE decendants! They want to shutdown all fossil fuel jobs, and ship those jobs,.. and facilities to places like CHINA! They want to give one thousand dollars a month to every family inside our borders! All that, and they are going to raise the HELL out your taxes to pay for all that theý THINK! They want the homeless living on streets, they want to get rid of ICE, and handcuff our police. They want BULLY terrorist governments to run loose threatening everybody hoping the goodness of their hearts will prevail rather than what Trump did to stop them! Trump do not turn tail and run from a red line crossed by an enemy! Now you tell me, who would you rather be in the Oval Office?

Carlos Ponce

"the claims made by the Associated Press are that Trump made false. Were his claims "false"? It's called hyperbole.

Hyperbole has been used by many politicians to highlight what is best. It was often used by Candidate and President Obama. See " Obama's Hyperbole" by Marc Ambinder April 11, 2008 The Atlantic.

"And nobody has spoken out more fiercely on the issue of anti- Semitism than I have." Candidate Barack Obama April 10, 2008

Admit it, if Trump had said this, NYT and WAPO would add it it to their list of alleged "lies". But since Obama said it......

There's a 1940's song that best explains use of hyperbole by politicians:

"You've got to accentuate the positive

Eliminate the negative

And latch on to the affirmative

Don't mess with Mister In-Between

You've got to spread joy up to the maximum

Bring gloom down to the minimum

Have faith or pandemonium's

Liable to walk upon the scene"

Kelly Naschke

Hey EMILE....everything Mr. Douglas mentioned are hard, cold, FACTS. Do you realize how infantile and baseless your post was as compared to Mr. Douglas? You’re a funny man bro! Always good for a laugh. Keep it up pal. You are just what conservatives need!


Gary Miller

After Charles and Carlos I have nothing to add except I hope we can find someone as good or better in 2024 to replace Trump.

Jim Forsythe

As Charles said "Look at the job creation numbers! "

October 11, 2019

Employment — Total nonfarm employment grew by 6,027,000 since the president took office, according to the most recent figures available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

That continued an unbroken chain of monthly gains in total employment that started in October 2010. The economy has now added jobs for 108 consecutive months — just shy of nine years — including the first 32 months of the Trump administration.

The average monthly gain under Trump so far is 188,000 — compared with an average monthly gain of 217,000 during Obama’s second term. Trump is far behind the pace needed to fulfill his campaign boast that he will be “the greatest jobs president that God ever created.”

Carlos Ponce

Jim, let me explain it to you ONE MORE TIME. Jobs - When Obamacare kicked in, jobs were split in half so that companies would not be mandated to pay for healthcare. Lower hours, lower pay but more jobs. The information you provide is MISLEADING.

"ObamaCare job studies have shown the law has a net increase on job growth, creating millions of new jobs. Of course a net increase doesn’t discount the firms that are cutting back employee hours to part-time to avoid paying for their employee’s health coverage or those who have found themselves in a worse spot due to the family affordability glitch."

Jim Forsythe

This was during the bad period that could have been the start of depression. Years before, jobs had been going to part time workers.

2010-- NEW YORK ( -- Jobs may be coming back, but they aren't the same ones workers were used to.

Many of the jobs employers are adding are temporary or contract positions, rather than traditional full-time jobs with benefits. With unemployment remaining near 10%, employers have their pick of workers willing to accept less secure positions.

In 2005, the government estimated that 31% of U.S. workers were already so-called contingent workers. Experts say that number could increase to 40% or more in the next 10 years.

James Stoeckmann, senior practice leader at WorldatWork, a professional association of human resource executives, believes that full-time employees could become the minority of the nation's workforce within 20 to 30 years, leaving employees without traditional benefits such as health coverage, paid vacations and retirement plans, that most workers take for granted

Jim Forsythe

August 7, 2014----What the “Job Killers” Aren’t Telling You

The corporate loudmouths want to blame health care for “killing jobs”, but companies are the ones in control of their hiring and firing process. If they want to slow down productivity, deal with sick workers, low-job retention, and the costs of training and re-training by cutting jobs and wages, then that makes them “job killers”- not ObamaCare. Is there more to this picture? What aren’t these companies telling us?

What they don’t tell you is that over the past decade, the amount of small businesses who can afford to provide health insurance to their employees has dropped dramatically, while larger businesses have been mostly unaffected. 3/4 of small businesses who dropped employee benefits because of the rising costs of health care will receive tax credits to offer their employees insurance. This will help to increase hiring rates and decrease turn over, making small business jobs more attractive.

ObamaCare helps small business, and forces bigger businesses who don’t want to provide benefits to do something that the big boys already do: treat their workers with respect.

Perhaps it’s time to start supporting the 96% of large employers who already offer benefits including WholeFoods, Nordstrom, Starbucks, UPS, Lowe’s, JCPenny, Land’s End, JP Morgan Chase, Barnes & Noble, Target, Home Depot, Costco, among many others who all offer part-time employees health benefits.

Carlos Ponce

"but companies are the ones in control of their hiring and firing process." True. And because of OBAMACARE it was more lucrative to CUT HOURS and hire more rather than pay the MANDATE.

And you mention BIG BUSINESSES: "WholeFoods, Nordstrom, Starbucks, etc" It was the smaller businesses that got screwed, not the BIG BOYS.

Jim Forsythe

"And you mention BIG BUSINESSES: "WholeFoods, Nordstrom, Starbucks, etc" It was the smaller businesses that got screwed, not the BIG BOYS"

Wrong because of this in ACA. which helps small businesses . True small businesses had no penalty and received a tax break.

Job creators with over 50 full-time employees must pay a penalty for not insuring workers. There is also a .09% tax on 3% of small businesses making a profit of over $250k.

The ACA also helped small businesses by giving tax credits for up to 50% of employee premiums to smaller firms with less than 25 full-time equivalents, so they are be able to attract more workers due to their ability to provide them with better benefits at cheaper rates. In the past small businesses paid more than large businesses for health insurance.

This came from

Carlos Ponce

"because of this in ACA. which helps small businesses . True small businesses had no penalty and received a tax break." That depends on your definition of SMALL. There's a HUGE gap between a mom and pop store and "WholeFoods, Nordstrom, Starbucks, UPS,etc." that were screwed by Obamacare.

Jim Forsythe

11 Nov, 2019

Clean coal” simply does not exist. “Clean coal” describes a hope that new technology like emissions abatement or carbon capture

and sequestration might one day solve the coal problem. To date, both technologies have proven uneconomic and unsuccessful in reducing emissions.

The U.S. coal industry is declining in the face of lower-cost natural gas, renewable energy and regulations designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and protect public health. Decades of mechanization have also reduced employment. This has spurred a wave of coal companies to declare bankruptcy, including four industry giants between 2015 and 2018.

Utilities are accelerating their retirement of coal plants because they are increasingly uneconomical. According to cost estimates from investment bank Lazard, the lower-end of the average price for coal-fired power is now almost $20 higher per megawatt hour than that for a natural gas. The lower-end of the average prices per megawatt hour for wind and utility-scale solar are even more competitive with coal, even without subsidies, at $29 and $36 respectively.

As of 2018, 70 percent of coal capacity in the U.S. had a higher running cost than renewables, and by 2030, that number is expected to reach 100 percent.

Domestic coal consumption is falling

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, total U.S. coal consumption in 2018 was the lowest in 39 years, falling 4 percent from 2017, driven mainly by declines in coal use in the electric power sector.

tom carpenter

I find it absolutely ludicrous that the GOP gives Trump credit for the booming economy when it was Obama who saved the nation from the disastrous policies of "W" and his two wars. Trump inherited a booming economy, and like everything else, tries to steal the credit.

Carlos Ponce

"disastrous policies of 'W' So explain Tom Carpenter why Obama EXTENDED the Bush tax cuts? He relied on the previous administration's policies to bolster the economy. Where he screwed up was over-regulating, especially small business. Ask a small businessman if things are better then or now that Trump removed those burdensome regulations.

Jim Forsythe


U.S. shale oil fracking has already peaked and is in a period of sustained contraction, according to two major providers of services to the industry.

The oil services industry has cut thousands of jobs in the U.S. and scrapped unwanted fracking equipment in recent months as shale companies slash spending in a bid to generate free cash flow amid a stagnant oil market and slumping natural gas prices. The deep retrenchment indicates a lack of conviction that demand will ever recover to previous highs.

U.S. shale production

The average breakeven price of oil is $50 per barrel, according to the latest Dallas Fed Energy Survey. But the price for the Permian Basin, is $54. Price of crude oil as of January 22, 2020 is 56.74 per barrel. If there price goes lower, more companies will stop production until the price increases.

Charles Douglas

Listen guys, yall can throw out tons of discredit concerning the accomplishments our President has brought forth, but it is to no avail!

Obama insinuated himself that he could not do what Trump Did!!! When asked about manufacturing jobs and businesses returning to America, Obama said, " How is Mr Trump planning on getting them back with a MAGIC WAND?" " Those jobs will never come back!" Now that many of the jobs which left, along with businesses are coming back, ....IT WAS OBAMA WHO DID IT!!!!! Mr. Obama said MAGIC was needed to do what DJ Trump did!!!!!! Topical LEFT talking points geared to discredit and HARRASS Trump. Believe what you like, don't matter because TRUMP will do better in his second term! As good as this economy is now it will be even better when we take the HOUSE back, and let that BADDDDD MANNNNN go back to work. [beam]

Emile Pope

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Jarvis Buckley

Kelly , please don’t be so hard on Emile. His problem is he’s drank too much liberal Kool aid!😀

Carlos Ponce

Remember the RECESSION the Liberals promised? It's not happening!

Charles Douglas

Super Trump has delivered us a Super Economy! We got this thing on the move now! All the foreign governments are in ahhh! Everything is golden! Whatever the man touch turns golden! I think I will call him " Midas Trump!" [beam]

domenico nuckols

Trump will give my SS to him.

domenico nuckols

Trump has not cut drug prices but raised them. Al most all the drugs I take are not made in this country.

Carlos Ponce

"Al most all the drugs I take are not made in this country." That has been going on for decades. Prices in this country are high for several reasons, one being the large number of lawsuits against American pharmaceutical companies.

The plan to lower the costs of prescription drugs comes from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). It involves buying prescription drugs from Canada.

"HHS Announces New Action Plan to Lay Foundation for Safe Importation of Certain Prescription Drugs "

“We support the President and Secretary’s efforts to bring down drug prices for Americans. The FDA has a unique role to play in promoting competition that in turn can help reduce drug prices and improve access to medicine for Americans,” said Acting FDA Commissioner Ned Sharpless, M.D.

Dalton Logan

As far as I'm concerned, if President Trump has saved just one unborn child's life never the less the hundreds or maybe even the thousands that have been saved since his election, then everything else pales in comparison and I'm not going to loose any sleep or fret about what he may or may not have said to some corrupt foreign country and/or their leaders.

Welcome to the discussion.

Keep it Clean. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually-oriented language.
Don't Threaten. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated.
Be Truthful. Don't knowingly lie about anyone or anything.
Be Nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.
Be Proactive. Use the 'Report' link on each comment to let us know of abusive posts.
Share with Us. We'd love to hear eyewitness accounts, the history behind an article.

Thank you for reading!

Please log in, or sign up for a new account and purchase a subscription to read or post comments.