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Gary Miller

How much CO2 would be produced if we still used wood for energy? How many horses would it take to replace deisle trucks? How would we feed everyone if we didn't use all types of food. How many more square miles of farms would be required if horses were again used to grow crops to feed people and the horses? The climate has changed 6 times since the Ice Age. Some animals went extinct but humans learned to cope and thrive. Every climate change has been a chance to improve human conditions. Fearing a climate change is counter productive. People fearing climate change will be purged from human societies if they refuse to cope and thrive.

Bailey Jones

How much CO2 would be produced if we still used wood for energy?

That's simple - none. Wood is a carbon-neutral fuel. How can that be, you ask? Because plants absorb CO2 during their lives and return the CO2 to the environment when they die and decay, or are burned.

It depends, though, on where the wood comes from. If it comes from the destruction of an ancient forest - as we see in the Amazon - net CO2 goes up because the trees that are destroyed aren't replaced. If, like the paper mill forests of east Texas, the wood comes from an endless cycle of planting and harvesting, it's carbon neutral.

Compare wood to fossil fuels. The organic matter that formed oil and gas pulled carbon from the atmosphere millions of years ago, so when it burns net CO2 goes up.

Burning fossil fuels, like burning ancient forests, increases our carbon footprint. Growing and harvesting wood for fuel does not. (It does produce a lot of particulate matter - smoke - which is why it's not a good idea.) This is why the development of biofuels is so promising. If you can create fuel from algae, for instance, the algae absorbs CO2 when it grows and returns it when it's burned as fuel - carbon neutral. Oil and gas are created from organic matter with a combination of heat, pressure, and time. Similar processes can convert organic matter into fuel in much less time - and if those processes are powered by wind and solar, the result is carbon-neutral fuel.

I do agree with one of your points, though - "Every climate change has been a chance to improve human conditions". Climate change and economics will lead to new clean energy sources. This is as inevitable as the way that gas replaced coal, and coal replaced wood. The economy of the future is a clean energy economy. The nation that creates windmills, solar cells, batteries, bio-fuels, new nuclear, etc., is the economy that will rule the future. I want that nation to be the US.

Carlos Ponce

Plants absorb any CO2, Bailey, even that produced by automobiles. By your logic, gasoline is a carbon-neutral fuel since the CO2 it produces is also absorbed by plant life.

Bailey Jones

Avoid science, Carlos. You don't seem to be able to understand it.

A carbon-neutral fuel is one that removes as much CO2 as it creates. Like a tree. Gasoline removes no CO2, only creates it. Therefore, not neutral.

What you're mentally limping around is carbon sequestration. If I plant a tree, it will absorb some of the CO2 from Gary's diesel truck. But when that tree dies, that CO2 is released back into the environment. A tree is not a solution. A forest is - because although trees are constantly growing and dying, the living biomass stays constant, and that where the CO2 stays. if you want to sequester CO2, and I'm sure you do, one way is to create new forests that you never cut down. There are also plants that absorb CO2 and deposit it in the soil, another solution.

Carlos Ponce

Most of the CO2 is produced by Big Guy Biden's friend China.

The Paris Accord Biden wants to re-enact allows China to continue this a a "developing nation".

Wayne D Holt

Let's all get busy and figure out a way to convince China, India and other hard core offenders to stop polluting the planet's air and water with almost limitless amounts of trash sent up the smokestacks that suffocated American industries and floated down their rivers to flow to the sea.

Why are we asked to further scrub our clean skies when the vast bulk of atmospheric poison has a Made in China label on it?

Why hasn't Greta scheduled a lecture tour of China to really make a difference? Last I looked, Europe and the US appeared to be the Garden of Eden compared to the worst offenders.

Bailey Jones

Hopefully, after this election, we won't need to rely on teenagers to spread the message of clean energy. I have to say, I've never understood the argument that says, "why should I clean up my house when other people don't?" America's job is (or was) to be the shining example for the rest of the world. We did it when we were the preeminent manufacturer in the world after WW2. We did it when we were the leader in science and technology in the last half of the last century. Now is the time to lead the world into the brave new future of clean energy.

Carlos Ponce

Not to worry, Bailey:

"I want crystal clean water and air. I want beautiful clean air. We have now the lowest carbon… If you look at our numbers right now, we are doing phenomenally. But I haven't destroyed our businesses. Our businesses aren't put out of commission. If you look at the Paris Accord, it was a disaster from our standpoint. And people are actually very happy about what's going on because our businesses are doing well. As far as the fires are concerned, you need forest management. In addition to everything else, the forest floors are loaded up with trees, dead trees that are years old and they're like tinder and leaves and everything else. You drop a cigarette in there the whole forest burns down. You've got to have forest management.

Every year I get the call. California's burning, California's burning. If that was cleaned, if that were, if you had forest management, good forest management, you wouldn't be getting those calls. In Europe, they live they're forest cities. They call forest cities. They maintain their forest. They manage their forest. I was with the head of a major country, it's a forest city. He said, 'Sir, we have trees that are far more, they ignite much easier than California. There shouldn't be that problem.' I spoke with the Governor about it. I'm getting along very well with the governor. But I said, 'At some point you can't every year have hundreds of thousands of acres of land just burned to the ground.' That's burning down because of a lack of management.

I believe that we have to do everything we can to have immaculate air immaculate water and do whatever else we can that's good. We're planting a billion trees, the Billion Tree Project and it's very exciting for a lot of people."

- President Donald J. Trump

Bailey Jones

China has twice our emissions but 4X our population. India has half our emissions but 4X our population.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data

The US is the 4th worst emitter per capita, compared to China (13th) and India (21st).

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

We made great progress between 2007 and 2016 - US emissions fell 15%. Emissions have been flat under Trump.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/

Carlos Ponce

CO2 is but one of their pollution problems, Bailey. The trash floating on the ocean - China. Toxic chemicals in the waters - China. etc. , etc. etc. So why do the Democrats want to give China a pass on polluting under the Paris climate accord?

Bailey Jones

Says the guy who burns trash in his back yard.

Carlos Ponce

Haven't used a trash barrel in years, Bailey. I do controlled burns of limbs and other yard debris with a county permit. But under Bailey Jones' guidelines that is carbon neutral.

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