This letter is about investing money wisely and human tragedy. Several states, and the U.S. government have thousands of military, federal and state officers at our southern border to stop illegal entry into the country. Illegal entry is still attempted.

A recent news article tells of 150 migrants trying to breach the border fence in Tijuana, and tear gas being used to stop rock throwers. Migrants, including “toddler-sized children,” were being passed over concertina wire.

Think of the cost to keep all the additional military, federal and state officers at our border. Also, as long as migrants think they can cross the border illegally, they will keep coming. There's bound to be some human tragedy associated with their long dangerous journey. 

A wall, in certain places, needs to be tall and strong enough to prevent breaching. A fence will not do the job. The wall, where needed, would be a tremendous help in reducing the cost of maintaining a secure border.

Extra border security wouldn't be needed, and the caravans of migrants would diminish when migrants realize they couldn't easily breach the fence and overwhelm security units.

Richard White

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Mike Zeller

Trump has met his match, he "grabs them by the ........, Nancy grabbed him by the ........, and he folded like a "cheap suit. "Mexico will pay for the Wall"

Carlos Ponce

Mike, the wall will be built, one way or the other. Amusing how the Left has declared Nancy the winner. They forget Trump offered her this deal weeks ago except the timeline is now shorter. Wait until February 16th. You're doing an end zone dance before the play. Very sad. And it's also sad that some lack the mental capacity to grasp how Mexico is going to pay for it.

Carlos Ponce

I'm certain some of you have been on a job where the people in charge refuse to listen to your recommendations. The CBP and ICE have made recommendations on what is needed to protect the border. They want a see through border wall as proposed by President Trump. They also want the electronic surveillance also proposed by President Trump. They want additional personnel - also proposed by President Trump. Everything they want is what President Trump wants. But the Democrats refuse to listen. Nancy only wants the electronic "virtual wall". But it's just part of the package needed for proper border protection. It's tantamount to getting a new car with all the bells and whistles - but no engine. It will not get you to your destination.

Carlos Ponce

Send in the drones.
Kamala Harris wants drones. Drones are part of Trump's proposal.
But you know what a drug smuggler calls a government surveillance drone? TARGET PRACTICE! "FUEGO!"
But they have their own drones to smuggle lightweight illegal drugs into this country.

Where are the drones,
There ought to be drones.
Don't bother they're here.

Jarvis Buckley

Richard you are 100 percent right , but you may as well plan on reading a lot of negative comments regarding
your article. Trump is like a marine
surrounded on a hill. They attack from all sides but his courage and sense of right , keep him fighting for his country. Try as they might call it what ever they want. The wall will be built. And all sensible Americans will be grateful. Anarchists of the socialist
democrat party are attacking from every side . Trump & our Country will
Prevail. History will show him to be one of our greatest Presidents.

Paula Flinn

No words for this, Jarvis! My mother would say, “Your idol has feet of clay.”

Jarvis Buckley

My idol is my wife of well over a half a century & I think your mother would think the world of her.
I've read enough of your comments to comprehend that you are a left wing never Trumper . I agree that's your right. As you get older you will come to understand my thoughts. I only wish you & your idol the best.

Jarvis Buckley

Give Pelosi my regards.,

Paula Flinn

Unlike you, I don’t idolize anyone, including Speaker Pelosi. Left-wing, right-wing, all the same bird, Jarvis. The “bird” is the US Government which includes our elected leaders and all of the people, including the 35% to 40% who support President Trump. The rest of us included in our Government of and by the people don’t support him for a variety of reasons. You don’t have to be an extremist to dislike President Trump or what he stands for. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. My opinions are based on his own words and sctions, not anything the media says.

George Croix

If anyone would care to look past the derangement attached to anything even remotely, much less directly, associated with our current President, they'd realize, if capable of reasoning, that saving American taxpayers HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of bucks for illegals' school/medical/maternity/assistance and saving honest families from crime and even death committed by those not even supposed to be here is NOT about President Donald Trump. It's about YOU and US, the citizens and legal residents of this country.

It's the same old story...listen to, and parrot, the crap put out by the very same people who are themselves living behind walls, or are the 1% rich, or living in mansions/driving in limos/flying in private jets while telling YOU to 'go green'....
Being suckered or silly can happen to anybody.
Staying that way is a personal choice.....

Gary Miller

All estimates of the cost of illegal emigration are multiples of the cost of the wall. They range from only $145 billion up to $385 billion. Using the lowest estimate, $145 billion, building the wall,$25 Billion, versus not building the wall would save $120 billion

Gary Miller

$25 billion spent once vs $129 saved year after year? Are the people elected too stupid to understand?

George Croix

No, but they understand that so many of the people who elected them are...

Steve Fouga

To those who support Trump's wall -- George, Carlos, Gary -- I'd ask you to describe what you think he means. You may be wishing for something totally reasonable to the rest of us, and we just don't know it because Trump has been both very specific and very vague about his concept of a wall. To me, it sounds like he's asking for a blank check, and just wants any sort of win, to satisfy his base...

To those of you who DON'T support Trump's wall, I'd ask this question: If we removed all existing barriers from the border, do you think illegal immigration would increase, decrease, or stay about the same? If you say anything other than "increase," please explain why. If you say "increase," then how can you argue against further barriers, unless you're in favor of illegal immigration, or unless you think the current level of illegal immigration is acceptable. If you think illegal immigration is acceptable, please explain why.

[whistling]

George Croix

I think that both the Pres. and certainly myself mean 'wall' is any effective...effective....not just for looks....physical...PHYSICAL...barrier against illegal border access to this nation. Something PHYSICALLY there that can stop/deter entry BEFORE it happens when there's no human on site to prevent it or arrest anybody. All MORE 'electronic technology' would do is alert the law more that people are ALREADY inside who need to be apprehended, while the officers try to be 12 places at once.
It's why we do NOT try 'securing' a football stadium or ball park against un-ticketed entry without a 'wall' , some physical barrier. We don't only use, because it cannot get but a few scofflaws, just cameras and drones and IR sensative alarms and such with only a half dozen Security personnel to round up the gate crashers.....
Simple realities of spaces and time involved...
If Pres. Trump asked for and GOT and SPENT (on actual construction, not 'shovels'...) 100 BILLION, or even 200 BILLION, it would be less than the low end estimate of just ONE (or two...) year of costs to honest taxpayers for illegals, and that DOES NOT count the harm from crime and murder by people that should never have gotten here.
Catch and release is a joke...an unfixable one, too....
It presumes a person already shown to break out laws will cheerfully come back and get deported later AFTER already getting taxpayer funded goodies/schooling/ER access/anchor babies paid for.....
If spending one or two years of costs to then cut waaay back those same costs for decades is not reasonable, then I don't know what is.......

George Croix

ps:
It's not Trump's wall, Steve. It's the USA's wall.....
It's the Rule of Law wall.
It's the wall for all who have been lied to forever by BOTH sides elected officials who vote FOR the very same thing then later are against it or fail to follow through on their first vote for.

Steve Fouga

A few weeks ago, Lt Gov Patrick described the areas along the TX-Mex border where he felt new barriers would be effective, and where they were unnecessary. I thought it was the smartest thing I had yet heard from a pro-wall government official.

I bet if Trump had asked for money to design and erect new physical barriers (or walls, if you prefer), in coordination with the border states, in those corridors known for illegal border crossings, and augmented with non-structural solutions like mandatory use of e-Verify, revised visa processes, more immigration judges and border agents, drones, etc., the Dems would have said, "Fine." I know I would, not that my opinion matters. My guess is that the congressional conference committee will propose something along those lines to meet Trump's 3-week deadline, and Trump will agree. If he says it has to be a "big beautiful wall," the Dems will balk.

George Croix

Better not bet much, Steve.
The Dems don’t care about anything but getting rid of Trump.
Why else to now be against what ALL of their top dogs have already voted FOR before...
Pure TDS

Steve Fouga

It was a rhetorical bet, so I feel pretty safe... [wink]

Carlos Ponce

" I thought it was the smartest thing I had yet heard from a pro-wall government official."
That was Trump's proposal in 2016, Steve. You didn't think much about it then. Problem is the Liberal detractors have distorted what Trump wants.

Steve Fouga

Carlos, his 2016 proposal was a Big Beautiful Wall along the border. No details.

Carlos Ponce

" No details."
The only detail was it will be built where the CBP and ICE specify it is needed and constructed according to their specifications: see through, tall, impenetrable, with above and below ground sensors, etc, etc etc. just like he said in his Phoenix, Arizona campaign speech in 2016. What did you expect, blue prints?????? He left the details up to the engineers and border agents. DUH!

Emile Pope

The fact that we don't support a stupid and useless wall doesn't mean that we are against border protection. And to say that any kind of border protection that doesn't have a wall is somehow ineffective is laughable.

Steve Fouga

Emile, would you support removing the existing barriers? Why, or why not?

Keith Gray

By Emile's logic, Galveston doesn't need a coastal barrier either.

Carlos Ponce

Let's see, Emile lives 400 to 800 miles from the US-Mexico border safe in a home in Galveston, Texas far from the border. He does not want a border barrier.
The men and women of the CBP and ICE live at the border, patrol the border, work at the border. They want a border barrier.
I know who to trust.

George Croix

Tell that to the jails and prisons, Chuckles.....[rolleyes]
There's a reason they don't have 'virtual containment'....

Do you have even a smidgen of an idea why that is??[whistling]

Carlos Ponce

"I'd ask you to describe what you think he means." Steve Fouga.
It is at least 18 feet tall (maybe taller) Steel poles with a pointed end embedded in concrete. Sensors will be built in to detect tampering, tunneling under. There's more to it but that's as much as I can tell you.

Don Schlessinger

The up coming Mardi Gras festivities on the Strand will be "protected" from invaders by a fence. Why do they need a fence? The people who don't have money just want to share in the fun and party. The City and Yaga's actually have guards around the perimeter catching and arresting people who just want in. Sneaking in is just a little illegal, and remember those people just want to have what the people inside the fence. Is that wrong?

Martin Connor

I've said it once and I'll say it again, $5B, $10B, or $15B. Money is wasted yearly on ridiculous things. Building the wall(barriers) for that amount is cheap compared to so many other things. Trial and error, there will be no harm in securing the border. If in 10 years, we realize it doesn't work, it sure wouldn't be as big a loss as some other crap we've wasted money on. Build the DANG thing....

Steve Fouga

WHAT thing? Describe it!

George Croix

Wasted on schooling for people not supposed to be in this country.
Wasted on medical care for people not supposed to be in this country.
Wasted on maternity care and delivery for people not supposed to be in this country.
Wasted on unemployment compensation for citizens and legal residents unable to get a job that an illegal alien - people not supposed to be in this country - has taken.
Wasted providing food and shelter at the border for people not supposed to be in this country after we wasted money rounding up thousands of them that could have been minimized with some physical barrier system.
Wasted on "catch and release" proceedings for people not supposed to be in this country that supposedly require return for a 'hearing' but is ignored by millions .
Wasted on time debating and arguing at all levels about keeping people you do not invite out of your home - this country- without permission, as NOBODY doing the talking either way would put up with that at their own home....nobody...for people not supposed to be in this country.
Wasted rounding up the 'deported' who can just slip right back in multiple times because we don't have enough physical barriers for people not supposed to be in this country.
Wasted lives for family members KILLED by people not supposed to be in this country.
Wasted time/money/resources investigating/arresting/prosecuting crime/criminals for people not supposed to be in this country.
Wasted effort/time/money by HONEST people, LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, who see themselves being given the old "You're #1" sign by 'lawmakers' ignoring the laws that have been made that would have prevented or minimized such if those 'lawmakers' would ever BUILD what they voted for, physical barriers for people not supposed to be in this country.
Etc............
HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF BUCKS, at least.....wasted.....
And, wasted time pretending to be all atwitter over 5.7 billion bucks, which is a rounding error of the total federal budget....

Need more?

Steve Fouga

I hope you weren't replying to me, George. I wasn't asking what the money was being wasted on.

George Croix

Well, stuff...NOW I see the part I missed.
Screwed up a perfectly good case by getting the wrong context/meaning...
Again...
Still January and already made the 2019 allotted mistake.....
Anyway, there’s already several sections of differing design walls/barriers that the Left were all for until Trump got elected and any use of ‘wall’ suddenly became’immoral’.
Steel slats, Concrete, multi layer chain link, pipe - as long as it keeps more out than get in illegally, who cares - different turf, different needs. BUT it must be effective, not just a check mark on a political resume’.
Whatever physically prevents some is an automatic money well spent thing. Just detecting is already in place, and is very useful for telling you you’re already screwed.

Martin Connor

Steve-I'm just saying build something or lets get the bill passed and do something. A wall/barrier of some sort. This bickering has got to stop from both sides. I'm usually a glass half full personality, however with our government, I'm more of a glass half empty. It's just $6B at stake. To Goerge's point, We waste more money supporting people on the dole because we are good ole America. If you can just hinder the tide of illegals, you will obviously save on the much bigger picture. But with that said, I still agree with you and Jim on the overall surveillance that needs to be done.And the money that can be spent towards that. It's a bunch of grandstanding over pride by our parties that has resulted in nothing being done. If nothing gets done, then nothing will ever change and America will always remain the land of opportunity and free "stuff" for some immigrants(not all) while the working class foots the bill.

Carlos Ponce

Here's a picture of it Steve:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076239448461987841

Steve Fouga

How long is it, Carlos? Sea to shining sea?

Carlos Ponce

"Sea to shining sea?" No. Wherever the border agents say one is needed.
That has been Trump's position since the campaign.
What did Trump say?
"We will build a great wall along the Southern Border. On day one we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall. We will use the best technology including above and below ground sensors - that's the tunnels. Remember that: above and below ground sensors. Plus aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall, find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels." August 31, 2016 Phoenix speech
On day one plans were made to invite contractors to make prototypes.
"The president has stated, as have my predecessors at DHS -- certainly something that I share -- there is no need for a wall from sea to shining sea," Kirstjen Nielsen told the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
Trump said no wall from "sea to shining sea."
Kirstjen Nielson said no wall from "sea to shining sea".
John Kelly said no wall from "sea to shining sea".
So why does Steve post, "Sea to shining sea" ?

Steve Fouga

To get you to help prove my point.

Because Trump said "along the southern border." The border goes from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico. From sea to shining sea.

If Trump said specific places along the border, it would have the advantage of being both rational and do-able. It would make sense. It would cost less. More people would support it, like me. The Dems probably would have gone along, months ago. The government wouldn't have been shut down. We wouldn't have this same argument every time someone writes a letter or makes a post about the wall. He's being pigheaded.

Carlos Ponce

"If Trump said specific places along the border, it would have the advantage of being both rational and do-able."
The border agents have specified places where a wall is needed, both where needs to be replaced and places that never had any barrier.

Steve Fouga

"The border agents have specified places where a wall is needed, both where needs to be replaced and places that never had any barrier."

I know, and this is exactly what the president should ask for, and pursue through the budget process.

Trump is so desperate for a win, and the Dems are so desperate to keep him from a win, that they're failing to accomplish the 75% or so of immigration policy that they probably agree on.

George Croix

Steve, a question back at ya...
Since you asked what Pres. Trump actually means, in the opinion of posters herein, by 'wall', what that wall would look like, and said a couple times that you thought the Dems would go along with a reasonable proposal, then, I ask you, what do you think that reasonable proposal they'd go along with looks like?
What would a Dem. supported wall/barrier encompass, in your opinion...a real barrier, physical, not a 'virtual' one that a few folks think works as well...like they do for jails and prisons.....[wink]
More importantly, since Pres. Trump is trying to keep a campaign promise, and the Dems hate him worse than a nose zit an hour before a hot date, and since they've already reversed course on what they previously DID support, WHY do you (or any other poster) think they'd EVER agree to anything the Pres. wants on this subject?

Carlos Ponce

Steve posts: "Trump is so desperate for a win.."
With a proper border wall, the AMERICAN people win.

Steve Fouga

George, I think the Dems would agree to repair and replace portions of existing barriers, and to erect new barriers where the states and border agents feel they are needed to thwart illegal crossings, if this were part of a larger program of immigration reform, and presented as a cohesive plan with a "statement of work," a realistic schedule, and a realistic spending profile, and if it came from congressional Republicans rather than the president. It would also help if at the same time, Republicans would agree to a bipartisan proposal preventing government shutdowns in the future.

I think they would agree in part because they have to be getting sick of this, too. It's detracting from their agenda. In fact, if I were a Democratic strategist, I might purposely give him some wall funding simply to take the wall off the table as a rallying point. Sure, he could claim a win, but the Dems could claim it was a hollow victory.

I'm actually optimistic that something positive will come from the 3-week negotiations. I could easily be wrong, as you have implied with this question. [wink]

George Croix

Thanks for the comeback, Steve.
I think you are waaay more optimistic about Democrat support for physical border barrier than I am, despite voting for it in the past. And do note that you qualified that support with:
"....and if it came from congressional Republicans rather than the president."
Now, I'll agree that is probably the ONLY way anything would move, BUT it also indicates, if your opinion as stated matches the actual atmosphere (and, personally, I think you are exactly right on that...) then what is in play is TOTALLY political, as anyone admitting to a need for a barrier against illegal immigration (which is what voting for it would be....) but not supporting their own belief unless they got to pick and choose WHO also supported it, is doing a great disservice to the people of this country impacted by recalcitrance on both sides.....
Short version:
Grow up, Congress....you don't have to like who you work with to do your job........

Jarvis Buckley

Richard- I told you be prepared for the left wing negative never Trumpers
Comments . When you say something positive about our President they can't handle it.

Gary Miller

Promises made, promises kept? Trump made promises and has kept all congress would let him keep. To a democrat keeping campaign promises violates their standards, politically illegal by their standards. The wall was his biggest promis with the greatest value to citizens. In the past congress promised and voted to fund the same wall.

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