In response to the letter by Gary Miller ("Liberals can only yap about nixing Electoral College," The Daily News, May 9): Miller often spews out useless thoughts in the opinion section, and I just shake my head in disbelief.

In this case, the irony and ignorance he displays is beyond belief. Does Miller even realize his words literally make no sense in accusing Democrats needing non-citizens to vote (non-citizens cannot vote and there has been no evidence to show they've been voting) in order to win elections, while the GOP has mastered the art of stealing elections through gerrymandering districts, which federal judges all over the nation are now ruling unconstitutional, voter suppression laws, and illegal and tax dollar wasting investigations of voting irregularities that don't exist?

Of course the biggest irony of his words is the obvious fact that, without the Electoral College, George W. Bush wouldn't have won his election and Trump wouldn't have won his. So, who's really stealing elections? It calls for a huge face palm. 

Daniel Hochman

Galveston

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Mike Zeller

[thumbup]

Emile Pope

You’ve seen his previous writings. Are you really that astounded?

Carlos Ponce

Gary Miller's postings and letters are food for thought. Emile's posts make me laugh.[beam]

Emile Pope

Only if you are on a diet...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, your ignorance makes me laugh![beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Charles Hughes

Not astounded at all.He posts his ridiculous drivel all the time.

Gary Miller

Charles. Learn the constitution. It gives states the right or duty of writing their own election laws. In a few states they made voters of people who can't vote in most states. NON CITIZENS, dead, multi registered, felons. Illegal voters in most states are legal in a few. The EC is the nations protection against against liberal election laws. If California had the same election laws as Texas it would be the biggest red state. Gerrymandering was invented by southern Democrats but is used by both parties today. Nancy Pelosi is the best known Gerrymandered politician.

Gary Miller

Emile. Bush and Trump won the only legal way the Constitution offers.

Carlos Ponce

"without the Electoral College, George W. Bush wouldn't have won his election and Trump wouldn't have won his. So, who's really stealing elections?"
Are you really proposing that winning the Electoral College is "stealing elections? Hochman, you really need to read and understand the US Constitution. GW Bush and Trump did not steal elections. They won according the US Constitution.
George W. Bush and Donald Trump are not the only presidents to win the Electoral majority but not the popular vote. Add in Presidents John Quincy Adams (1824), Rutherford B. Hayes (1876) and Benjamin Harrison (1888).

Bailey Jones

The GCDN is blessed to have a wide diversity of voices in its editorial section, from the far right to the far left, and from the sublime to the ridiculous. When I was in school I was taught that Patrick Henry once said in a debate, "Sir, I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". That was false history, of course, but I've always taken the sentiment to heart. Sometimes I shake my head in wonder, sometimes I roll my eyes, sometimes I bite my tongue, but I'm never bored. What a sad day it will be when everyone I meet has the same opinions as I do.

Don Schlessinger

"What a sad day it will be when everyone I meet has the same opinions as I do." If Socialism ever becomes the rule in America everyone will be required to express the same opinions. Independent thinking will be outlawed. It's already started in our universities.

Bailey Jones

lol - this is a shaking my head and rolling my eyes comment. Two for one! As if Democrats have ever been able to hold a single opinion.

Steve Fouga

i wonder why the Daily News publishes Gary Miller's letters. Forum responses, sure, but letters to the editor?

Maybe they do it as a sop to the whiners who complain that the paper is too liberal? Or as a way to act as their own troll to elicit forum responses? Or as a means of showing how ridiculous the ultra-conservative mindset can be? As Carlos says, food for thought. [cool]

Gary Miller

Not one liberal in this forum will take the time to learn the difference in Texas and California election law. In Texas voters must be US citizens to register to vote, In California everyone asking for a ballot can vote. Letting illegal migrants vote is how Democrats stay in office.

Bailey Jones

While San Francisco has made it possible for non-citizens to vote in local elections on local issues (school board and such), California does not allow non-citizens to vote generally. Why would you even believe such a thing? I presume you have a copy of the California law available that you can share with us.

Steve Fouga

LOL. None of this is true.

Carlos Ponce

De jure vs de facto
De jure, non citizens are not allowed to vote in Federal elections.
De facto, non citizens have voted in California and Texas.
So far in 2019 (up to April 30, 2019) 137 non citizens have been removed from Texas voter rolls. How many actually voted is not specified.
https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/team/cancellation-trend-reports/index.shtml
At least one Galveston County resident non-citizen voted in four elections prior to his removal from voter rolls.
https://www.galvnews.com/opinion/columns/article_d445dcae-87af-55fb-a35d-02fe819a6f5b.html
Cheryl Johnson has turned in a list to the District Attorney's Office for investigation.
https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_84f6c82d-3695-564e-970e-875cad656910.html

Bailey Jones

So, I took Gary's challenge to take the time to learn about California election law. They have a thing called the California New Motor Voter Program in the California Code of Regulations. In section 20061 under Definitions, it states "A person is ineligible to vote if they do not qualify to vote under Section 2 of Article II of the California Constitution." Which leads us to Section 2 of Article II of the California Constitution, which says "A United States citizen 18 years of age and resident in this State may vote."
So, now that we've examined California voting laws, and in the complete and total absence of any evidence to the contrary, we can finally put to bed Gary's assertion that California allows non citizens to vote. You're welcome, Gary.

Carlos Ponce

There's de jure and the there's DE FACTO. If the laws (de jure) were all followed then jails would be empty. It's sad when officials turn and look the other way. Welcome to reality, Bailey.

Bailey Jones

I'm all about reality, Carlos. And the reality is that Gary's statement "Letting illegal migrants vote is how Democrats stay in office" is demonstrably false. It's false that they "let illegal migrants vote" and it's false that it's "how Democrats stay in office". I have no doubt that there is some illegality in voting everywhere, just as there is crime of all kinds everywhere, but there is simply no evidence that illegal voting is statistically relevant in our elections, despite a presidential committee investigation and decades of searching for it. And I'm quite sure that if such evidence existed you would have found it and presented it by now. California swings blue because California has more Democrats than Republicans. Simple reality. But even so Dems only have about 2/3s of the congressional seats - about the same majority that Repubs have in Texas. Shall we assume that Texas Republicans can only hold their majority by employing illegal means? Or just accept the simple and obvious reality that parties win where they have a majority? Occam's razor and all that...

Carlos Ponce

" And I'm quite sure that if such evidence existed you would have found it and presented it by now."
I have. The Galveston News articles and the Texas Secretary of State numbers showing how many non-citizens have been removed from voting rolls.

Carlos Ponce

"i wonder why the Daily News publishes Gary Miller's letters."
He has a right to his opinion, Steve. To think otherwise reeks of fascism. Are you going there? And what he writes has merit.

Steve Fouga

Carlos, I'm not questioning his right to his opinion. I'm questioning the GDN's motives for publishing it.

Also, I'd feel better about his "opinion" if he stated it as such. But no, he states it as fact, which in almost every case it is not.

Carlos Ponce

Like I posted, his letter has merit.

Steve Fouga

The fact that you think so shows how little you know.

Jarvis Buckley

Article of a disgruntled socialist.

Jarvis Buckley

It's really sad , the harshness of this small group of Trump haters.

Steve Fouga

You have no idea, Jarvis. You should step out into the real world beyond SE TX if you wish to see and hear Trump haters. They are widespread and vociferous.

Carlos Ponce

They are vociferous but not as widespread as you are led to believe, Steve. That's the perception the Leftist media portrays. But it's only wishful thinking.

Steve Fouga

Carlos, you act like you're in on some sort of secret.

Just because a solid 1% of Americans watch Fox News during prime time, and roughly 42% of Americans approve of Trump's performance, that does NOT mean Trump is popular man. Far from it. Just because a lot of people support Trump, that doesn't mean that a lot more do not. The proof is there, all over the internet, if only you would avail yourself of it. But I know you won't. You're a lost cause.

Jarvis Buckley

Forgive me but does anyone know if
George Croix is doing well. Haven't read his texts lately really enjoyed them.

Steve Fouga

I wondered also. I've noticed he's absent for long periods occasionally. I always figured he was on vacation, or hunting, or was just fed up with the forum.

Emile Pope

Perhaps the tariffs increased the cost of tinfoil at Walmart...

Carlos Ponce

Tin foil hasn't been used in this country since the 1940s. [sad]
Guess you'll have to make your hats out of aluminum foil, Emile.

Jim Forsythe

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Carlos Ponce

I have no need of tin foil, Jim.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos said:Tin foil hasn't been used in this country since the 1940s:

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