Laura Elder is worried about global warming ("Sea level rise must be part of the conversation," The Daily News, Oct. 30). This warming is part of a natural cycle.

A galactic year is the time it takes the solar system to orbit the center of the Milky Way. This is between 240 million and 300 million years. It's divided into two large cycles. For 90 percent of the time the Earth is so warm that ice can only be found in the mountains and not at sea level. The other 10 percent is the ice age. We're living in an ice age now.

There are two natural cycles in the ice age: glacial and interglacial. We're in the interglacial. The interglacial has two large cycles and two cycles within a cycle. The little ice age lasted from about 1400 to 1800. A warming cycle started in 1000 and one started in 1800. There is also a 40-year cycle alternating between cooling and warming.

Native Americans that lived in the southwest (1,000 years ago) had cycles of wet (cooling) and dry (warming) of 40 years each. In 1973, it snowed enough that many thought we were going to have a new glacial period, but a warming started in 1980. A new cycle of global cooling will begin in 2020 and last to 2060. These cycles are natural, not man-made. 

Robert Hart

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Editor's note: Just as a matter of fact, the editorial at issue never mentioned global warming.

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Michelle Aycoth

I agree !

Andy Aycoth

Bailey Jones

Mr. Hart's comments are correct, but incomplete. Of course there are natural climate swings. But the fact that there are natural cycles doesn't mean that anthropogenic climate change doesn't also exist. Forest fires burn naturally - they can also be man made. Disease spreads naturally - but it can also be spread and prevented through human action. Even climate change deniers will admit to the effects of heating the planet by replacing natural landscape with concrete. And anyone who has ever grown tomatoes knows what a greenhouse is.

It's true that in the 70s we were due for another cold cycle. It never occurred. Why? Because of anthropogenic warming. This is discussed in one of the first scientific papers on the effects of CO2, from 1975 - https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/files/2009/10/broeckerglobalwarming75.pdf Climate is complicated - the effects of CO2 on the earth's ability to trap heat from the sun isn't.

Carlos Ponce

I remember when the biggest concern was the OZONE HOLE.[scared]

Now it's no longer a problem. Why? Was it the banning of aerosol sprays? No. Was it the removal of Freon from air conditioning units? No. "Thanks to unusually warm temperatures high above Antarctica this month, the ozone hole shrank to its smallest size on record, scientists reported Monday."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/21/ozone-hole-above-antarctica-shrinks-smallest-size-record/4053468002/

I am reminded of the Jeff Goldblum line in Jurassic Park, "Life finds a way" from which we can extrapolate "Nature Finds a way" - sometimes with a intervention from GOD.

People who live on an offshore bar should not be surprised when the sand they live on gives way to waves.

Dan Freeman

Mr. Ponce, in 2019 NASA announced in the "ozone hole" was the smallest ever since it was first discovered.

Ozone depletion and the ozone hole have generated worldwide concern over increased cancer risks and other negative effects. The ozone layer prevents most harmful UV wavelengths of ultraviolet light (UV light) from passing through the Earth's atmosphere. These wavelengths cause skin cancer, sunburn and cataracts, which were projected to increase dramatically as a result of thinning ozone, as well as harming plants and animals. These concerns led to the adoption of the Montreal Protocol in 1987, which bans the production of CFCs, halons and other ozone-depleting chemicals.

The ban came into effect in 1989. Ozone levels stabilized by the mid-1990s and began to recover in the 2000s. Recovery is projected to continue over the next century, and the ozone hole is expected to reach pre-1980 levels by around 2075. The Montreal Protocol is considered the most successful international environmental agreement to date.

1. "The Ozone Hole-The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer". Theozonehole.com. September 16, 1987.

2. "Background for International Day for the Preservation of the Ozone Layer - 16 September". www.un.org.

Retrieved from Wikipedia November 3, 2019.

Randy Chapman

Our part of the world is indeed warming. We have species of tropical plants that now fruit here regularly, which didn't happen in the '60s, '70s, '80s, and '90s. Back then, killing freezes were common every winter; that's no longer the case, and in Galveston county at least, we have often gone several years without killing freezes, allowing things like avocados, bananas, mangoes, papaya, and other plants to grow into fully mature fruiting trees.

The same is true of marine species.

https://www.saltwatersportsman.com/news/gray-snapper-range-likely-extending-north/

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060416271

I'm not here to debate whether man is at fault or not, but it is certainly worthy of figuring out if we are and rectifying the issue IF we can.

Gary Miller

Climate change is real and normal. It will create many opportunies for plants, animals and alert humans. Each climate change has brought forth new ways to thrive and enjoy the change. Climate change activists seem to believe humans are going to become brain dead this time. Housing, agriculture, sanitation all made great improvements during the last cold cycle. What this warm cycle improves may not be noticed until it's over.

Gary Scoggin

Wash. Rinse Repeat. Same old arguments.

Paul Hyatt

The ones who blame man for climate change, ocean's rising and all of that other hogwash, are just saying IMO that you do NOT believe in God, for if you did you would acknowledge that He is that one that is in control and not man.... Man can not even accurately predict the weather 10 days out much less 50 or 100 years. God created the cycles of weather, just like he created the plants to need the CO2 that everyone is whining about as they take that CO2 and convert it into something that we desperately need and that is called OXYGEN....

Gary Miller

Which gas is most important? Without CO2 there are no plants or plant eating animals. Without oxygen there are no oxygen breathing animals. The plant/animal or CO2/oxygen cycles depend on both. Plants could survive without Oxygen which is a toxic byproduct of plants but plants need animals to turn oxygen back into CO2.

Gary Scoggin

So, to be clear, anyone who interprets science differently than you is a non-believer, an apostate. I am in awe of the fact that I get to correspond with someone to whom God has given this special and exclusive wisdom. I, being fallen, can see enough theological holes in your statement to drive a truck through but, then again, I have not been granted God’s special wisdom.

Carlos Ponce

"I have not been granted God’s special wisdom." Read the Bible, study the Bible, understand the Bible. That is the beginning of Wisdom. Pray for discernment.

Gary Miller

PS Wild fires may be as important as animals for converting oxygen to CO2. Burning a square mile of vegitation creates more CO2 than a herd of cows.

Gary Scoggin

The issue with cows is not that they emit CO2, which is eventually emitted by the plants through fire or rotting, it’s that the cows convert the carbon to methane which has 25 time the global warming potential. That said, it would be interesting to see the emissions numbers from the fires as compared to other sources.

Gary Miller

NASA says 16 million square miles of wild fires is an annual average worldwide. Creating more CO2 than cows. Asia, Siberia, Africa, S. America all have more wild fires than the US each year.

Bailey Jones

"A galactic year is the time it takes the solar system to orbit the center of the Milky Way."

"Native Americans that lived in the southwest (1,000 years ago) had cycles of wet (cooling) and dry (warming) of 40 years each."

"16 million square miles of wild fires is an annual average worldwide."

How can you guys POSSIBLY know these things? Oh.... right - the scientists told you. Because science is something you know to be a real thing, useful for explaining our universe.

Except when someone else tells you it isn't. At least Carlos and Paul have logically consistent theories of nature controlled by mysterious and unknowable supernatural forces.

Carlos Ponce

"nature controlled by mysterious and unknowable supernatural forces" God is not unknowable - if you seek him.

"Seek the LORD while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near." Isaiah 55:6

Bailey Jones

Ask him what dark matter is - science wants to know.

Carlos Ponce

Here's NASA's explanation of "Dark Matter":

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy

Bailey Jones

NASA? The climate change conspiracy people???

Carlos Ponce

"NASA admits that climate change occurs because of changes in Earth’s solar orbit, and NOT because of SUVs and fossil fuels"

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30-nasa-admits-climate-change-not-caused-by-suvs-fossil-fuels.html

Bailey Jones

Jeebus, Carlos, read a book. Preferably one on logical inference.

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