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Steve Fouga

So what? Whether climate is "cycling" or "changing," it's different than it was just a few years ago. There's a high likelihood we can reverse or slow this difference. If you don't want to, just say you don't want to, and that you prefer the effects the warmer climate brings.

Carlos Ponce

"There's a high likelihood we can reverse or slow this difference." Not really. If you implement ALL the Paris accord protocols it is estimated there would be no difference - except for American pocketbooks.

Gary Miller

Carlos! Where did you get the "silly" idea that climate change is a money deal? You must have been paying attention.

Gary Miller

Steve! The warming cycle that began in 1875 is a mild cycle. Unlikely to have much effect on our climate.

Gary Miller

Real Climate scientists say there are two main effects controlling earths climate. Volcanoes and sun spots. Volcanoes tend to cool the planet, sun spots tend to warm the planet. During active sunspots the energy reaching earth increase slightly from the 3.5 watts per square ft to 3.6 watts per square ft. A change of 0.1 watt per square ft. equals Trillions of total watts. Volcanoes throw ash high in the atmosphere that shades the planet. Both effects equal thousands of times more than all life on earth including humans. What humans, mice or cows do, good or bad, has no effect

Paul Harrington

Climate Scientist don't disagree that we go through cycles but when we are seeing the changes that normally occur over a 500 year period in a period of ~100 years. You have problems. And you honestly think that we can just continue to pump gasses into the atmosphere and nothing happens? This is also the first cycle that has included any form of industrialization...

Bailey Jones

lol @ "real climate scientists"

Steve Fouga

Gary, just admit you prefer hotter summers, more flooding, stronger storms, and deeper water under your keel, and that's why you don't want anything done about climate change.

Gary Miller

Steve. Haven't you figured out we are very lucky to live in this mildest of warm cycles. Summers aren't hotter but winters are milder. The average of summer and winter is slightly higher because winters are warmer. The temp is lower than it was during other cycles, the water is lower and storms aren't worse. We could have been unlucky enough to live during a cold cycle. I suspect you haven't considered that the brat from New York has proposed a FIX? worse than climate change could ever become. Pay attention. Summers are 'almost' as hot while most record highs are in winter.

Paula Flinn

So much misinformation! Meanwhile, the ice is melting, the oceans are rising and getting warmer, and certain wildlife, fish, and coral reefs are dying. We humans should do whatever we can to alleviate the problems and not add to them.

Carlos Ponce

THE ICE IS MELTING! THE ICE IS MELTING! Did you hear the Greenland glaciers that were "melting" are now growing back? "Greenland Glaciers Now Growing Back" Mar 26, 2019 https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/19189/20190326/greenland-glaciers-now-growing-back.htm The "melting" of the Greenland glaciers was paramount PROOF of Climate Change. Now it's "never mind!"

Dan Freeman

Again you have mis-represented the article which concludes: "While this may seem to be good news, this could also mean a bit of bad news when you look at it on a long term basis, it clearly tells scientists that the temperatures of the ocean play a huge role in the retreat and advances of the glaciers. Josh Willis, a NASA climate scientist, has been studying about the water in the ocean warms up as caused by man-made climate change. He further said that almost 90% of the heat is trapped by greenhouse gases into the oceans. "In the long run, people might have to rethink about how we measure the level of the ocean and how it rises every year," said Josh Willis. To a large extent, this may just be a temporary blip. But such a change could bring about bigger changes that could affect how people live. Overall, it gives people a chance to stop and breathe a little, before they go back to doing what they do to save mother earth."

Jim Forsythe

A pulse of cooler water at its edge let part of the glacier gain some mass. But overall, the melting across Greenland continues. The glacier that is growing is Jakobshavn, but the Greenland ice sheet is still losing lots and lots of ice. Jakobshavn amounts only to about seven percent of the entire ice sheet, so even if it were growing robustly, mass loss from the rest of the ice sheet would outweigh its slight expansion. Why is Jakobshavn growing, because of a influx of unusually cold water from the north Atlantic pushing into the Arctic. While the glacier is growing, the ice sheet is still losing tremendous mass . Over the 20th century Jakobshavn had periods of fast retreat in the 20th century, followed by thickening. On average the air and sea are warming, and that means retreats are always going to be bigger than advances .

Carlos Ponce

Not misrepresenting anything Dan. Apparently you read your own interpretation into my statements.

Gary Miller

Paula! What we should do? Stop calling a natural event we can't do anything about a problem. Understanding it's an opportunity and taking advantage of if makes more sense. Water has always froze then melted, oceans rose and fell, new species replaced extinct species since there were species. A fire place in winter, AC in summer are humans attempts to affect climate.

Gary Scoggin

Yesterday i saw the head of BP talk about the need to address climate change and what it meant for his business. The heads of Shell, Exxon, Total and others are saying much the same thing. I guess they've all been duped.

Steve Fouga

Yes, Carlos and Gary are way smarter than some of the world's biggest corporations, most of the world's governments, and all of the world's militaries that count.

Carlos Ponce

The "world's governments" want to throw a party and want the USA to pay for it.

Carlos Ponce

"head of BP talk about the need to address climate change" - It's called being "politically correct". Without such a "talk" there would be talk of boycotting BP products. It's just a show. Put your brain on hold, join the PC crowd and join group think. Lip service to appease the Liberals.

Gary Scoggin

And I suppose this is why these companies have adopted strategies that set their futures taking climate change into account. To appease the liberals they are spending real, substantial money to adapt to a fictitious future. Do you really think their investors would allow that? A more likely explanation is that the guys running these multi-billion dollar companies with access to the best minds in the world know what they are talking about and many GDN contributors think they do, but don’t.

Carlos Ponce

In reality their strategies will have NO effect on climate. ZERO, ZIP, NADA. But it makes the Liberal Lefties happy.

Gary Scoggin

Please provide your analysis backing this assertion up.

Carlos Ponce

Please provide me information on the proposed BP measures. In the meantime, https://news.mit.edu/2017/mit-issues-statement-research-paris-agreement-0602/

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, did you read the article? Our President, in his constant search for truth, misquoted it. According to MIT, "The relevant MIT researchers believe that the Paris Agreement is an unprecedented and vital effort by nearly 200 countries to respond to the urgent threat of global climate change."

Carlos Ponce

I read the article which presented both sides of the debate. A "1.8 degrees Fahrenheit — by 2100" change. Really? Is this a significant accomplishment considering the trillions that would have been spent under this so called agreement which is NOT BINDING on any countries which signed it? 1.8 degrees F in 80 years. [rolleyes]

Charles Hughes

Oh well,On another notewhile debating on this diversion.Has anyone been paying attention to the incidents in the Straits of Hormuz.Pray that its not the Gulf of Tonkin all over again.

Gary Scoggin

I worry about these things too. But I think we are all capable of worrying about more than one thing at a time.

Michael Byrd

If you think that is about anything more than investor relations, you tragically naive. Energy companies are working overtime to stay relevant in institutional portfolios and stave off unwanted stockholder initiatives relating to climate change.

Gary Scoggin

Having managed key aspects of this and been around senior level climate change discussions inside one of the world's largest energy companies, I doubt that i am "tragically naive" on this topic. Another word for "Investors" is "Owners". And, certainly, many of these companies are guided by the views of their owners. And the fact is that many of these institutional owners want to see how the company they invest in plans to stay in business for the long term. For the most part, these investors are not radical climate activists; they are hard-nosed business people who expect proper risk management. There is occasional window dressing to appease the activists but you have to look at the hard asset investments of these companies. Moving oil to gas, investment in renewables, expanding infratructure, moving away from heavy oil and carbon intensive crude supplies, developing carbon mitigation strategies, advocating for economy-wide carbon pricing; these companies are investing billions and rearranging their portfolios because they see climate change - not the hysteria, but the impacts -- as an existential threat.

Michael Byrd

That is a well thought out and articulate position. I have a similar background to yours so I suppose I will have to respectfully agree to disagree. All the best, nothing personal.

Gary Scoggin

[thumbup]

Charles Hughes

[smile]

Gary Miller

Mike. They are making future plans to supply energy for the next hundreds of years, Making politically correct statements has nothing to do with what they think about climate. 1.8 F increase in 80 years? Winters 2.6 F warmer and summers unchanged. Can't get any better.

Dan Freeman

Mr. Miller asserts without reference: “There were six climate cycles in the last 2,300 years, each lasting three to 500 years. The warmest recorded cycle was called the Medieval Warm Period when the Arctic Ocean was ice-free 400 consecutive summers….” The truth is always more interesting: “Arctic could become ice-free for first time in more than 100,000 years, claims leading scientist” claims Professor Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/arctic-could-become-ice-free-for-first-time-in-more-than-100000-years-claims-leading-scientist-a7065781.html

Gary Miller

Dan. Pay attention. Ice free 400 consecutive SUMMERS. It refroze every winter. Professor Wadhams refered to ice free year around. A big difference.

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