Joe Biden, finally out of the basement, read his teleprompter speech, decrying every action Trump has used to quell the rioting of recent days. Joe, mocking Trump for a photo-op in front of a historic church, made known that he would attend the George Floyd funeral, having his own photo-op.

He reiterated the circumstances of Floyd's death at the hands of a bad white cop and his anthem of "healing racial wounds" while Trump bashing. No mention of how or if he would stop the riots and mayhem of those using the occasion to rain bottles, rocks, gasoline, fireworks, gunfire and bats against the very police trying to protect the populace — the kind of police action Biden previously eschewed while vice president with boss Barack.

Officers were injured, killed and another on life support, but nary a mention of these — did Joe even know their names or call their families? Nope, no photo-op there.

When I see the same politically driven states jailing those who would defy their extended lockdowns yet refuse to protect citizens against the worst abuses of thugs run amok, I know Democrats have not one whit of caring about ordinary citizens, black or white, as long as they can get that vote.

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Carlos Ponce

I wonder if Joe will take a selfie at the funeral like President Obama did.[unsure]

Virginia Stone

Sandra Woodford, you may not realize Joe is 77 years old and there is a pandemic, Joe was vice president to President Obama and they work for the American people and yes the Floyd family asked him to attend the funeral, President Trump cleared the peaceful demonstrators with tear gas, rubber bullets, flashbangs and more used by tactical gear wearing troops and once the churchyard was cleared our President who had just threatened to use the insurrection act in his rose garden speech proceeded to the church for a photo op.

Carlos Ponce

"President Trump cleared the peaceful demonstrators with tear gas..." Time to catch up, Virginia, no tear gas was used and the decision of what to use was left up to the captain of the US Park Police contingent, not the president. And the "peaceful" demonstrators were throwing rocks, bottles at them. After the "peaceful" protesters were removed, US Park Police found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.

Thank you for your opinion but you really need to get your facts straight.

Virginia Stone

You are mistaken, read up to date information not just what you want to hear, one bottle was thrown as William Barr stepped out to see the troops, so the clearing began, you are famous for your lack of SUBSTANTIATED facts.

Carlos Ponce

No Virginia, the US Park Service confirms what I posted Monday night - no tear gas was used. Even Bailey Jones now agrees with that. And there was more than "one bottle" thrown as confirmed by video.

Craig Mason

Yes Carlos the day before there had been some bottle throwing and other mayhem across from the White House. Trump was safe hiding in a bunker during that time. When they cleared the park the following day none of that was going on. People were exercising their constitutional right to a peaceful protest. ( you remember the constitution right ? ) The way I see it is the same president who invited the Taliban to visit American soil at Camp David is using force to remove American citizens from a public park who were peacefully protesting. I just don’t see how you can support that?

On another note I am surprised he didn’t get struck by lightning when he was holding that bible.

Bailey Jones

"On another note I am surprised he didn’t get struck by lightning when he was holding that bible."

Fun fact - what the reporters initially thought was tear gas turned out to be the smoke from the fire and brimstone smoldering under Trump's hand. That Bible later had to be soaked in milk to relieve its pain.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump was safe hiding in a bunker during that time." He went to the bunker for a few minutes to inspect the facility but wasn't there long. And the US Park Service confirms the rocks and bottles were thrown on Monday at 6:40 pm EST and they found more projectiles including metal pipe within reach of the "peaceful" protestors. They thought they had until 7pm to confront the US Park Service Police and the early departure forced them to leave that behind.

Jim Forsythe

President Donald Trump clutched a Bible and posed for photos in front of a church near the White House on Monday after ordering that protesters be cleared from the area with gas and rubber bullets.

The Episcopal bishop of Washington, D.C., who oversees St. John’s, said that she was “outraged” that neither she nor the church’s rector was informed, “that they would be clearing with tear gas so they could use one of our churches as a prop, holding a Bible, one that declares that God is love, and when everything he has said and done is to inflame violence.”

"In no way do we support the President's incendiary response to a wounded, grieving nation-- Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde ".

I wonder if Trump still thinks the photo- op was worth it? How many times are we going to see a repeat of this type of tone deft active?

This is why Trump is The Karen-in-Chief.

Carlos Ponce

"after ordering that protesters be cleared from the area with gas and rubber bullets." The US Park Service Police did not talk to Trump. Trump did not issue the "order".

Jim Forsythe

President Donald Trump, First Lady Melania Trump, and their son Barron were rushed to a secure bunker last Friday night after several protesters breached the barricades near the White House lawn.

The barricade breach raised the alert level at the White House from "yellow" to "red," prompting the first family to be escorted to the bunker by Secret Service. Good thing Melania was able to help him soothe him during his time in the bunker (over 1 hour).

This speaks volumes about leadership or our lack of leadership. By running to the bunker, the President decided not to meet with protest leaders, hold a day of prayer, or speak to the American people pleading for peace and unification. He had the gall to hide in the bunker, and then make tough talk.

Being called Bunkerboy is more upsetting to Trump than 100,000 dead of Covid19 or of civil unrest across the Country.

Bailey Jones

"Karen-in-Chief" [lol]

Bailey Jones

Here's one - "Why did the chicken cross the road? For a photo-op with a bible."

Carlos Ponce

"President Donald Trump, First Lady Melania Trump, and their son Barron were rushed to a secure bunker last Friday night after several protesters breached the barricades near the White House lawn." Let me repeat the facts. President Trump visited the facility to inspect it. But the Secret Service can order him into it. Upon learning of the possibility he inspected the bunker but was never ordered in it. "They said it would be a good time to go down and take a look because maybe sometime you're going to need it." Jim is repeating a fabrication.

Joe Mancuso

And by "let me repeat the facts", you mean let me repeat what Trump said. Your "facts" are no more or less true than Jim's.

I totally believe that he was there to "inspect" it (wink wink nudge nudge). Actually, the protesters are lucky that the Secret Servie took him to the bunker because we all know that (to paraphase) "he would run in there even if he didn't have a weapon".

Your blind allegiance to the President is unbelievable. Do you not question anything he says or does? You know, there are "sheep" and "kool-aid drinkers" on both sides of a lot of these issues.

Jim Forsythe

Yes, Bailey, he is the "Karen-in-Chief" and going to the bunker and lying about why proves he is a "Karen". Being a "Karen" is not something good.

About that Bible, the Bible had been lightening proofed prior to him holding it up. Otherwise...plenty of smoting would have occurred.

This was Trump’s “Mission Completed” moment, minus the flight suit...well, he had a bible, so there’s that.

Since this was Ivanka's idea she accompanied her dad to the church, she was carrying the Bible in her $1,540 handbag.

How many times does he need to inspect the Bunker? If it remains unused why does it need so many inspections? His inspection includes what?

Right, because bunker inspection was at the top of his to-do list during a global pandemic and civil unrest.

Maybe he was thinking, Lots of angry people outside...maybe I'll just mosey on down to the bunker and make sure we have enough gummy bears and diet coke for the apocalypse.

A senior administration official told NBC News on Sunday that Trump was in the bunker for a “very short period” out of an abundance of caution.

The Trump administration is still facing criticism over the president's visit to St. John's Episcopal Church on Sunday, a visit made possible after police forcibly pushed out peaceful protesters. The president's own secretary of defense, Mark Esper, on Wednesday referred to the president's brief stop in front of the church as a "photo op."

Carlos Ponce

Joe, my facts are backed by sources.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "Being a 'Karen' is not something good."

I know several girls and women named Karen and they're all good people.

Joe Mancuso

Well, gee, Carlos, please cite your sources so we can all read them. We know all about some of your "sources". The only sources I've seen are the dozens of reports reiterating the Fox interview where Trump says he was "inspecting" the bunker.

Carlos Ponce

See previous posts to view source material.

Jim Forsythe

Being given the name Karen is different than "Being a Karen".

Joe Mancuso

Your previous posts don't contain a single cited source, much less one that supports your claim that Trump was only "inspecting" the bunker. So, you're admitting that you have no sources to back up your "facts". Your only source is the Fox interview with the President. What a surprise. But, in the days to come, I'm sure the Secret Service or some other group will issue a statement verifying the "inspection".

Bailey Jones

Yes, Jim - it's all obfuscation and bloviation. He lost his chance to lead America when he decided that the protesters were his enemies. Remember this?

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/image/image_file/1lja8566.jpg

Can you imagine Trump in this photo?

Carlos Ponce

One more time for Little Joe:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/03/trump-denies-sheltering-in-white-house-bunker-amid-protests-298406

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "Being a 'Karen' is not something good." Still looks like you dissed anyone named Karen.

Jim Forsythe

To call someone a Karen is to target a particular behavior: “It’s a very specific definition and, if you’re not acting that way, it shouldn’t bother you,”

The Karen character serves as a reminder to support people who are being ignored or overlooked and to use the Karen powers for good. Everyone – not just "Karens" – can learn to be more mindful of others

“Punching down IS the definitive Karen behavior.”

A “Karen” is a term used in general to refer to a specific type of person.. However, what is most distinctive and important to notice about a “Karen” is that they are incredibly entitled, nosy, and belligerent. “Karen” is almost always used as a slur for these kinds of people who refuse to treat other people decently. Some examples of “Karens” would include:

Example 1

Karen: Hi, do you work at this store?

Person: No. I’m just shopping here.

Karen: Are you sure? You seem very familiar with this store.

Person: I come here often, but I am not an employee. Do you notice how my shirt is blue and the employees all wear red shirts?

Karen: I’m reporting you to your manager for horrible service and for trying to pretend you don’t work here. *flags down manager* Manager, Person won’t help me. You should fire him.

Manager: Ma’am/Sir, the Person does not work here.

Karen: Not anymore he doesn’t. *smirk across her/his face as they walk away - Person and Manager are confused*

Example 2

Karen: I saw that you listed the price on [Internet Website] as $500. Can you give me a discount?

Person: No. That price is actually a bargain given how much a new television is with those specifications. As I wrote on [website], the price is firm. Take it or leave it.

Karen: But I am a single mother/father. How would I be able to afford that price?

Person: That’s not my problem. Either pay and get the TV, or don’t.

Karen: But I really need the TV. Could you give it to me for free? It’s clear that you don’t need it if you’re selling it.

Person: I am selling the TV, not running a charity. This is your last chance. Do you want to pay $500 for the TV or not?

Karen: You are a horrible person for not helping a single mother/father! I will report you to [the website] for your rude behavior and how mean you were for not giving me a TV that you don’t need.

Example 3

A Karen calls the server back to the table to complain about tomato on her/his burger and say they are allergic. The server apologized profusely and had the burger remade with extreme caution to avoid cross-contamination. After serving the new burger and offering ranch for the fries Karen proceeds to complain there isn't enough Ketchup for her/his meal and demands a new bottle. They then proceed to eat 90% of the burger with ketchup on it and demand a manager because the burger was undercooked…

Carlos Ponce

My friend Karen doesn't like it.

Joe Mancuso

Oh, Carlos,

First of all, it's not "one more time for Little Joe". The source you've now cited appears nowhere in your previous posts. So were you mistaken or lying? Ok, I'll accept your apology for being rude when you were WRONG!

Second, like I stated, even the source you cite now is still just a reference to the same Fox news interview with Trump. So your proof that Trump didn't hide in the bunker is that Trump said it? Sorry, quoting the person making the statement is not proof of that statement being true. So, you're admitting the only "source" you have to prove that President Trump didn't hide in the bunker is President Trump himself.

And, ONCE AGAIN, when you can't defend your position, you fall back on name calling. At least you came up with something new this time. I'm more and more glad that you were a math teacher. You're really getting boring trying to use the same tactics when you're called out on your misinformation.

Carlos Ponce

So If someone accused Joe Mancuso of something nefarious and Joe defended said they were wrong, Joe's denial cannot be true because "quoting the person making the statement is not proof of that statement being true". Give it up Joe. You're making no sense.[rolleyes]

Joe Mancuso

Nice try deflecting, Carlos. The point in question is whether or not you have a source for your "fact" and it's obvious you don't. First, you lied about having already supplied the source and then the "source" you provided was the person making the statement in question. Case closed - your "fact" was simply your opinion and should have been stated as such. Having to fact check you all the time is getting to be a full time job.

Carlos Ponce

"First, you lied about having already supplied the source". No I did not. There are things I post, submit them them and then they appear. online then they disappear removed. I don't know why since I followed the GCDN rules but it's happened quite a few times. If you don't believe me that's your problem. But it happens.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos Ponce: "There are things I post, submit them them [sic] and then they appear.[sic] online then they disappear removed. I don't know why since I followed the GCDN rules but it's happened quite a few times. If you don't believe me that's your problem. But it happens."

OMG!! Ok, it's now a conspiracy against Carlos!

And you still don't have any "source" for your "fact".

Deflect, deflect, deflect!

Carlos Ponce

Joe, I have a first hand eyewitness - President Trump. Unless you can produce a name to prove your claim, your claim is noted but dismissed.

I never said there was a "conspiracy". It could be a technical glitch. But when you see it posted and minutes later it disappeared, something happened. One time I called their attention to my response to Tamala Robinson's comment had disappeared. Then minutes later, it reappeared. I wonder.

Emile Pope

More garbage. If you are accused of something, your denial is not considered proof that you didn't do it.

Joe Mancuso

Emile: "If you are accused of something, your denial is not considered proof that you didn't do it."

Thank you for stating my argument in a concise and simplified manner. You summed it up in that one sentence. Sometimes I get a little wordy. Maybe now Carlos will understand, but probably not. And, even if he does, he won't admit it.

Thanks!

Carlos Ponce

Joe, do you have any PROOF to contradict President Trump's statement? If not then your point is worthless. By the way, citing an "anonymous source" is not proof.

Emile Pope

More of your sickening made up garbage. It was a chemical agent designed to work EXACTLY like tear gas.

Carlos Ponce

It was not tear gas.

Bailey Jones

I'm looking forward to Trump and the Republican's plan to reform our nation's police forces and address our racial justice inequalities - so that we never have to have another week like the last one. It's coming, right Sandra? I mean, Trump is surely going to do more than just build a wall of soldiers around the Lincoln Monument and an actual fence around the peoples' Lafayette Square, right? He's going to fix things, right? I mean - surely he's going to engage with the millions of hurting Americans whose hearts and souls have been broken by this "bad white cop" and the 1000s of other "bad white cops" that have been sucking the soul from our country for a century. Right, Sandra? I mean, that's what's you're really upset about, right? The failure of America to live up to its founding creed - that all people are created equal and deserve equal justice under the law? Right, Sandra?

And thank God for teleprompters.

Carlos Ponce

I will never understand why a President holding up a Bible frightens today's Democrats. A Bible never scared President Carter. He held one in the Oval office.

https://digitalcommons.chapman.edu/upi_carter/39/

Jim Forsythe

Did Trump read from it to help start the healing? President Carter used his Bible and still does today. Anyone in need of prayer, he would take time and help them in their time of need. The link you posted showed President Carter all smiles as he thumbs through a Good News Bible that was given to him by the American Bible Society in an Oval Office ceremony. Compare that to the clip of Trump holding the Bible. Does he seem happy to be holding the Bible or was he fumbling with it because he did not know how to hold it correctly?

President Carter is one of the five commanders-in-chief that are considered among the most religious. Others are George W. Bush,William McKinley, James Madison,Abraham Lincoln. Also, President James A Garfield should be included as he was the only clergyman to serve as commander-in-chief. He "was lauded for his skill as a preacher, and he learned Greek—the original language of the New Testament.

Jimmy Carter: Famous for being a baptist Sunday School teacher (even after his term), Jimmy Carter is recognized as the first "born again" president. Prior to serving, Carter took a missionary journey in which he knocked on strangers' doors and said, "I'm Jimmy Carter, a peanut farmer. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior?" He read his Bible and prayed daily throughout his time in office and still does. President Carter lives his faith.

And Trump uses the Bible as a prop.

President Carter said today: “We need a government as good as its people, and we are better than this.”

Carter noted he had declared “the time for racial discrimination is over” during his 1971 inauguration speech as Georgia's governor, and bemoaned that he's repeating those words almost 50 years later.

“We all must shine a spotlight on the immorality of racial discrimination,” Carter said. “But violence, whether spontaneous or consciously incited, is not a solution.”

He said his decades working to improve human rights worldwide have taught him that people of influence can't remain silent.

“People of power, privilege, and moral conscience must stand up and say ‘no more’ to a racially discriminatory police and justice system, immoral economic disparities between whites and blacks, and government actions that undermine our unified democracy,” Carter said.

Carlos Ponce

Trump reads and hears scripture from his religious faith advisors. Remember the Crimson Tide football champions laid hands on Trump as they prayed for the country.

Jim Forsythe

According to WBRC sports reporter Christina Chambers, the prayer was the idea of Alabama punter JK Scott. Chambers reports that when the punter went to shake Trump's hand following his ceremony, he asked the president if he could pray for him and his staff.

.@AlabamaFTBL JK Scott asked@POTUS if he could pray for him and his staff."

Trump did not come up with this idea.

Carlos Ponce

I didn't say Trump came up with the idea.

Jim Forsythe

The Bible that Trump held over his head was a Revised Standard Version (RSV). Every English-language Bible is obviously a translation from the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, but there are vast differences among the versions. Not only is the RSV outdated (the New Revised Standard Version, NRSV, was published in 1989 to replace it), but it’s not a Bible that evangelical Christians consider authoritative. .

“It would be pretty much rejected by the vast majority of evangelicals. It would be seen as a deficient translation of the Bible. A distinctly liberal one,” said Rev. Rob Schenck, an evangelical clergyman, the president of The Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute, and the author of Costly Grace: An Evangelical Minister’s Rediscovery of Faith, Hope, and Love. “And for many, especially in the very conservative or fundamentalist wing, they might see it as not a version of the Bible at all.”

Bailey Jones

"Fear", Gracie? It's outrage. Americans are not just choking on the tear gas and pepper spray - they're choking on the hypocrisy.

Jim Forsythe

A reporter from the Washington D.C. TV station WUSA 9 shared images on Twitter of tear gas canisters he and a colleague collected from near the White House on Monday—contradicting claims from the White House and U.S. Park Police that authorities did not deploy the weapon against peaceful protesters clear the way for President Donald Trump’s photo-op.

Carlos Ponce

A reporter from WTOP, Alejandro Alvarez, was there and he reports no tear gas Monday night.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjR4YXc7ujpAhUBGKwKHcbLDCgQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwtop.com%2Fdc%2F2020%2F06%2Fsome-clarity-a-day-after-reports-of-tear-gas-in-lafayette-square-but-questions-remain%2F&usg=AOvVaw3aRE2HmzA5qqKQYeoyWmn5

Joe Mancuso

Jim,

Here is the official statement from United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory T. Monahan: https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm

According to the his statement, "As many of the protestors became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls. USPP officers and other assisting law enforcement partners did not use tear gas or OC Skat Shells to close the area at Lafayette Park."

So, the Chief states that tear gas wasn't used but pepper balls were. But, please read the article yourself and see if you agree with my understanding of it.

Now, according to https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp, Pepper balls and tear gas are both considered "riot control agents" by the CDC and basically do the same thing. And, apparently, tear gas is sometimes used as a generic term for any riot control agents.

So, using the CDC definition, stating that "tear gas" was used is not incorrect.

Carlos Ponce

"Pepper balls and tear gas are both considered 'riot control agents' by the CDC and basically do the same thing. " WRONG! Different ingredients, different delivery systems.

Jim Forsythe

The Rev. Gini Gerbasi, the rector at a different St. John's Church in Washington, D.C., described a peaceful afternoon in a viral Facebook post.

"They started using ( insert whatever gas you choose in this space) and folks were running at us for eyewashes or water or wet paper towels. At this point, Julia, one of our seminarians for next year (who is a trauma nurse) and I looked at each other in disbelief,".

"I was coughing, her eyes were watering, and we were trying to help people as the police – in full riot gear – drove people toward us," she wrote.

All this was so the President can cross the street for a photo. Why did the President want to cross the street, so he could prove he is still ok after staying in the Bunker.

Instead of showing leadership on the Corona19 front, and protests that are happening in America, he takes photos.

Good thing he does not play a fiddle.

Carlos Ponce

Peaceful ? Video and US Park Service officers tell a different story. And Bailey Jones posted on Jun 2, 2020 7:16pm "The protesters were peaceful until the park police began erecting an 8 foot high steel fence to lock them out of the park."

Translation: Once the fence started going up, they were no longer peaceful.

Joe Mancuso

Ok, I did paraphrase the article. So, here are direct quotes from the article:

"Riot control agents (sometimes referred to as “tear gas”) are chemical compounds that temporarily make people unable to function by causing irritation to the eyes, mouth, throat, lungs, and skin." Several different compounds are considered to be riot control agents. (then comes a lengthy description of several different compounds that are all considered riot control agents)

Riot control agents are used by law enforcement officials for crowd control and by individuals and the general public for personal protection (for example, pepper spray)."

What words don't you understand? I know that you were a math teacher, but these are pretty basic sentences.

No one ever said that tear gas and pepper balls were made of the same ingredients (neither did the CDC article) and no one ever mentioned the delivery system. Except you, when you were squirming to keep from admitting that you were WRONG!

Do you even realize how childish it makes you look trying to use these types of arguments?

Bailey Jones

Joe - the Trumpster playbook is simple:

1) Never admit you're wrong

2) If facts fail, lie

3) If lying fails, deflect (use your daily talking points)

4) If deflection fails, blame the Democrats (or China, or whoever the enemy of the day is)

5) If all else fails, try to steer the argument to some insignificant minutia (like the "delivery method" of pepper gas)

That's what it takes to defend the Worst President Ever.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey - the Liberal playbook is simple:

1) No matter what, blame Republicans, especially Trump!

2) Lie when you blame Republicans. A lie told enough times will be believed.

3) If your lie is not believed, get other Liberals to back you up. The more Liberals to confirm your lie, the better.

4) Your friend in spreading your lie is the Liberal Press. They'll believe ANYTHING as long as it makes Trump and the Republican Party look bad.

5) Insist the Obama administration NEVER had a scandal by comparison.

When you mention Obama be sure to genuflect.

Joe Mancuso

And, Bailey, right on time, Carlos chimes in to prove your points!

Although, he did bring up one that I'm surprised you forgot: 6) If 1 thru 5 don't work, blame Obama.

I'm surprised that the GCDN didn't make his reply vanish.

Carlos Ponce

Poor Joe needs some attention again!

Joe Mancuso

We will see.

Carlos Ponce

[beam]

Bailey Jones

Joe, Carlos is persistent if nothing else, not unlike the terrier who lives next door. I admit, I've gotten lazy over the past months. I just set up the pins and let Carlos make the strike for me.

Joe Mancuso

So here you go Carlos.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/park-police-walk-back-tear-gas-denial-in-lafayette-park-clearing

QUOTE

A U.S. Park Police spokesperson said Friday it was a “mistake” to insist in a statement Tuesday that no tear gas was used to clear Lafayette Park on Monday before President Trump walked across to visit St. John’s Church.

However, the spokesperson insisted that Park Police did not lie, explicitly noting that pepper balls were shot. Pepper balls can cause irritation to the eyes and cause tears.

“I’m not going to say that pepper balls don’t irritate you,” Sgt. Eduardo Delgado told Vox. “I’m not saying it’s not a tear gas, but I’m just saying we use a pepper ball that shoots a powder.”

ENDQUOTE

So, again, you were WRONG! Try manning up and admitting it. I know, I know, fat chance of that happening!

Carlos Ponce

Joe admits pepper balls not teargas was used. I was not wrong. They are not the same.

Joe the truck won't work. I told you to fill it up.

Joe: I did. I filled it up with gasoline.

But it's a diesel Truck, Joe!

Joe: Gasoline, diesel. They're the same thing.

Diesel fuel and gasoline are not the same.

Pepper balls are not the same as tear gas.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos Ponce Jun 7, 2020 5:13am

THE POST REFERENCED SHOULD BE FLAGGED AS CONTAINING MISLEADING, DISPUTED, MANIPULATED OR UNVERIFIED DATA!

Fact Check Needed!

Joe Mancuso

Jun 13, 2020

Secret Service walks back denial of using tear gas on White House protesters

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-walks-back-denial-of-using-tear-gas-on-white-house-protesters

The US Secret Service admits that one of their employees used pepper spray to clear Lafayette Park.

Park Police had already admitted that they used pepper balls on the protesters in Lafayette Park.

CDC says tear gas, pepper spray and pepper balls = riot control agents = "tear gas".

To put it in terms that a math teacher would use, A=B=C then A=C

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp

Carlos Ponce

No tear gas was used. From your source: "the law enforcement agency didn't lie since it admitted pepper balls were shot."

Your CDC link does not say that pepper spray and tear gas are the same. Pepper spray is a riot control agent but different from tear gas.

The examples of tear gas named in the article are CA, CN, PA, CA, CR.

Pepper spray is OS.

You have a fault in logic. The way you are thinking is this:

Ducks are birds.

Emus are birds.

Therefore ducks are emus using your way of thinking.

FOX refers to VOX interview with Sgt Delgado:

“The point is we admitted to using what we used,” Sgt. Eduardo Delgado said. “I think the term ‘tear gas’ doesn’t even matter anymore. It was a mistake on our part for using ‘tear gas’ because we just assumed people would think CS or CN,” two common forms of tear gas.

Now how did they use "tear gas"? The answer s found in the article's title:

"US Park Police said using “tear gas” in a statement was a “mistake.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21281604/lafayette-square-white-house-tear-gas-protest

They used the term "tear gas" in statement only.

From VOX:

"It’s yet another firm statement by the agency that it didn’t use any weapons banned in war on American citizens outside the White House."

Now here's the confusion:

"One reason the Park Police felt it was right to say tear gas wasn’t used in its Tuesday statement, per Delgado, is because they were referring solely to the employment of CN and CS gases, which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention labels the 'most common' forms of tear gases. The CDC, which also uses the term 'riot control agent' for tear gases, does say that 'pepper spray' is considered a 'riot control agent'.- which is your point.

But pepper spray is different from tear gas. While the CDC labels pepper spray as a riot control agent, it does not list OS (pepper spray) on their list of tear gases (CN, CS, PS, CA, CR). No OS in the bunch.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos, the only person trying to argue about pepper spray being exactly the same as tear gas is you.

It's obvious that you just don't comprehend the CDC article even though it's a very straightforward article. What's that line you like to use, oh yeah, most people get it, some don't (like you!).

I think your emu just ran off with your duck!

Bored and done.

Carlos Ponce

Joe, it's obvious that you just don't comprehend the CDC article even though it's a very straightforward article. You obviously are misinterpreting " Riot control agents (sometimes referred to as 'tear gas')". Some individuals will call ANY riot control agent "tear gas" even if it's not. As you state on June 4th "And, apparently, tear gas is sometimes used as a generic term for any riot control agents."

I don't know how old you are but growing up people called any carbonated soft drink a "Coke". Dr. Pepper was called a Coke, Pepsi was called a Coke, XXX Root Beer was called a Coke, etc. even though the only one that was a Coke was Coca Cola. I know people older than me called any refrigerator a "Frigidaire" even though tit was another brand. Just because people call any riot control agent "tear gas" doesn't make it so. If you are bored with it, why bring it up - again? Silly Joe.

Fact: Tear Gas was not used at Lafayette Park.

Jim Forsythe

Joe, you are correct. And they also used rubber bullets that kills about 3% of the time.

Mike Zeller

Carlos Ponce, three white police officers murdered a handcuffed man, while he was face down on the pavement while one looked on. Had this not happened, there would have been No protest and No riots.

"Sometimes you got to fight,

when you're a man" Kenny Rogers

Carlos Ponce

Mike Zeller, I knew that. No one is condoning their actions. Was race the cause considering Officer Chauvin worked with George Floyd? We will see.

Jim Forsythe

"She (the owner) doesn't believe the two men knew each other prior to their fateful encounter Monday night."

While Chauvin's off-duty job at the El Nuevo Rodeo club stretched over 17 years until a few months ago, Floyd only started working there recently as a bouncer and only worked about a dozen events put on by "African American promoters."

Santamaria, who sold the venue within the past two months, said she doesn't believe the two men knew each other prior to their fateful encounter Monday night.

She is certain of is how aggressive Officer Derek Chauvin became when the club hosted events that drew a mainly black clientele, responding to fights by taking out his mace and spraying the crowd, a tactic she told him was unjustified "overkill." "He would mace everyone instead of apprehending the people who were fighting," said Maya Santamaria, former owner of El Nuevo Rodeo club in Minneapolis. "He would call backup. The next thing you would know, there would five or six squad cars."

Carlos Ponce

We will see.

Jim Forsythe

What are we going to see?

Carlos Ponce

We will see.[beam]

Charles Douglas

So here is my problem Democrats! If four WHITE Police officers killed a BLACK MAN handcuffed ..laying on the ground, why then are the looters and rioters destroying properties and businesses belonging to Blacks and People of Color? I'm really anxious to hear an answer to this one especially from those who are supposed to be church attending Christians! ANYONE?

Charles Douglas

Black lives matters? When? Every election year or until our votes are cast? When? Does that include those hundreds of thousands of BLACK babies who are destroyed in the WOMB every year, who ALMIGHTY God himself said he knew them and had given them a calling and had assigned gifts and talents to them? What about the lives of Old Black citizens who put everything they saved and worked for in businesses which lawless looters, thieves, and rioters burn down or tore down? What about Historical Black Universities who had to go beg Democrats for funding every year until Trump put a stop to it with Excutive Action, their Black Lives matters too? OH talk back to me if you can! I got news for yall, my White and Hispanic, half White, and Half Hispanic relatives' Lives matters too!

Bailey Jones

Because looters are criminals, Charles. Looters and protesters are not the same. No one goes to Walmart and confuses the shoppers with the shoplifters. It's the same here. Protesters protest. Looters loot. Looters hide behind protesters to commit crimes - against the protesters. Protect the protesters. Arrest the looters. Don't buy the collective guilt that your president is selling.

Charles Douglas

Sorry Mr. Jones, I dissagree with your answer. It was a nice shot though. My mother told me years ago, if you run with them you are With and One of them! No one can make me believe the protesters did not know who were by their sides and at their right hands destroying and killing! By your reasoning Mr. Jones there is at least one of the four police officer who didn't restrain Mr. Floyd ...should be turned a loose since he really did not physically hold or impede Mr. Floyd from keeping his life! That right? Since the protesters who provided cover for the looting, ramsacking and killing did not physically do anything ...but stood in their mist, and watch their counter-parts Steal, Kill, and Destroy, they are as pure as the driven Snow, huh? Mr. JONES, I was born at 3am on a Wednesday night years ago in East Texas, but it was not LAST NIGHT! [wink]

Bailey Jones

OK, Charles. Follow your leader.

Carlos Ponce

"Looters and protesters are not the same." I heard this morning that the Antifas blend behind the peaceful protesters then launch rocks, bottles, etc at the police. Then the Antifas pull out their cell phones and record the police response. Then it's posted on the Internet.

Jim Forsythe

Where the Boogaloo boys also there?

Bailey Jones

"I heard..." lol. I keep waiting for any shred of proof as to the identity of these "antifa". They sound like Hoover's old FBI. But I appreciate you making my point - the looters aren't the protesters.

Carlos Ponce

AG Barr will provide proof of antifa soon.

Bailey Jones

"AG Barr will provide proof of antifa soon." [lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol] You still owe me a Hillary indictment.

Carlos Ponce

Hillary won't go down easy but Bill will sing like a canary.

Jim Forsythe

Just add any new possible indictments to the many including these.

FBI: We’re Ready To Indict Hillary Clinton----November 3, 2016

Grand Jury summoned for Hillary Clinton (INDICTMENT!?)---March 23, 2018

“Hillary Clinton to be Indicted on Federal Racketeering Charges--- 29 May 2016

Yes, Bill does sing and does it well. Besides funerals, he also has sung many songs that you can hear online.

While the occasion brought forth many celebrities and well-known figures who were close to the Queen of Soul, people still could not stop talking about Clinton knowing "Total Praise.

Carlos Ponce

Hillary gets called to the stand: "I do not recall. I do not remember."

Charles Douglas

I'm trying to figure out if I am one of the 15-20% of Americans who Joe Biden said today ....is not Worth a d@$! Did that include those who got their businesses looted and burned down too? How many of those 15-20% he helped send to prison by his infamous crime bill? Was that why he and Obama never created re-investment zones in the poverty areas of America? Was that why Joe and Barry striped jobs and factories out of America and sent them to China, Mexico, and Japan? Joe is treating me like Crooked did! She called me a Deplorable, now Joe says ....Lolo.

Charles Douglas

Those Ole unemployment numbers came in today and they were not what the Fake News, Progressives, China, and Old Joe wanted nor expected. I love it!!! When November gets here I am going to have a BALL!!! Tell me something, is it just the Socialist, Progressive controlled cities which are being burned or torn down? Now they want to get rid of the police and individuals' guns! Is Cuba or Venezuela the Left is trying to force us into?

Carlos Ponce

CNN reported an unemployment rate of 205% then quietly withdrew it when they found out how wrong they were.

Jim Forsythe

I believe this is the story you were talking about, the one they misplaced the decimal point. "In April, 20.5 million jobs were erased and the unemployment rate jumped to a record 14.7%"

Carlos Ponce

The CNN report was deleted but here's the one from WAPO:

Washington Post 5, Jun, 2020

Grim milestone to be reached as May unemployment rate nears 20%.

That link has disappeared as well. If you don't believe me, it's you. But I had in recorded on my DVR and copied it off the screen.

Carlos Ponce

See if this one still exists:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/05/unemployment-rate-wrong/

Economists predicted 20 percent unemployment in May.

But here they blame the economists, not themselves for posting it.

Joe Mancuso

So, Carlos, was the 205% you said CNN reported accurate or just a typo?

Ted Gillis

Bill Barr stated that the president and first were rushed to the bunker for their safety.

Who’s lying, Barr or Trump?

Carlos Ponce

Find me the quote. Barr stated the Secret Service RECOMMENDED Trump go to the bunker, not that he was rushed there.

"Things were so bad the Secret Service recommended that the president go down in the bunker" Barr told Bret Baier. The word "rushed" appears on several websites but that's from the article author not Barr.

Ted, if someone RECOMMENDED you vote Trump in November, you'd do it, right?

So who lied? TED GILLIS!

Carlos Ponce

Think about it, Ted. The bunker was made during the Truman administration to protect the president from atomic attack- a nuclear fallout shelter. Here we have Trump, surrounded by armed Secret Service and, on the White House grounds, guard dogs under their control. Then we have Leftist contending the protestors were "peaceful". So are you thinking the protestors were not so peaceful? The Secret Service is trained to anticipate any contingency including a nuclear device carried by "peaceful" protestors so the bunker was brought up, recommendations made and dismissed. Washington DC has nuclear sensors to detect such.

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20170307-radiation-threat-detection-system-successfully-tested-in-washington-d-c

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