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Carlos Ponce

"we don't know how the Supreme Court will eventually rule" Unless there is a violation of the United States Constitution or the Voting Rights Act, the law stands as is. There is no violation. The Supreme Court will rule in favor of Texas.

Paula Flinn

“If the courts determine that letting persons 65 and older vote by mail is age discrimination, they will extend vote by mail to everyone. They will not take it away from everyone.“

Thank you, Mr. Gusdorf, for clarifying this issue. I appreciate it.

David Hardee

Paula - you're right - you present a good lawyer like convolution for a solution.

Please do not let a lawyer clarify anything for you. Our government is full of these legal trained minds and society is a mess from the laws that they wrote. Every law they wrote is fodder and income for these lawyers to argue over as to what their law meant. And the lawyers then appeal judgments to the Supreme Court where those 9 legal minds are constantly conflicted as to what is the right OPINION.

In essence, this lawyer (Gusdorf) is saying – if the law makes an exception for (over 65) anything then the Courts (more lawyer) can rule/find/decree or judge that exception is UNCONSTITUTIONAL or they can find that the exception is OK but the court can make it UNIVERSAL for everyone. Only these legal obfuscators and prevaricators’ can wiggle through the legal trap they created with these convolutions.

Paula Flinn

David, Nigel Gusdorf and his wife, Alice, happen to be personal friends of mine. He is neither an obfuscator nor a prevaricator. I trust him as a person of high character.

Jim Forsythe

Lack of workers at the polls, parking, and long lines are now the new reality for voting along with exposure to sickness. Why would anyone want to stay safe when voting? Why would anyone want to vote from home when they can spend hours in line to vote? The ones showing up for the November election will be in record numbers because people have a reason to vote that is bigger than usual. Each time Trump speaks he increase the number that will vote. Each time he threatens guns and dogs the number of voters increase. Each time Trump blames everyone but himself the number that will vote increases. Actions speak louder than words and trump is screaming how he lacks what is needed.

Carlos Ponce

Vote early and there won't be long lines, lack of poll workers, etc.

"The ones showing up for the November election will be in record numbers" Isn't that what you want?

"Each time he threatens guns and dogs the number of voters increase." that's hyperbole but people like a president who wants to protect government property so there are many who love that kind of talk.

Trump will win, Jim. Count on it![beam]

Stuart Crouch

Surprise, surprise! More deception, misinformation and fear-laden spin from the Repugnants.

Carlos Ponce

Ooooh! Stuart called Democrats repugnants!

Carlos Ponce

Age Discrimination:

Are they now going to say the age at which you can legally vote is AGE DISCRIMINATION? (Oh, that's right : "A majority of House Democrats on Wednesday voted to lower the federal voting age from 18 to 16."

Are they now going to say tax exemptions to those 65 years of age and older is AGE DISCRIMINATION?

Are they now going to say giving discounts to those 65 years of age and older is AGE DISCRIMINATION?

Are they now going to say the age of sexual consent is AGE DISCRIMINATION?

Are they now going to say the age at which you can legally purchase alcohol is AGE DISCRIMINATION?

Are they now going to say the age at which you can legally purchase tobacco products is AGE DISCRIMINATION?

Are they now going to say do away with the child labor laws because it's AGE DISCRIMINATION?

If you can go to the grocery store, beauty salon, barber shop, the gym, etc. you can vote. And don't give me that complaint of long lines, etc. If you wait until the last day/hour to vote you GET WHAT YOU GET! With the extended voting period there is plenty of time to vote when there is NO long line! Don't be a cry baby!

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, try working in the real world. Your unit is in shutdown and you have been working 12 hours a day 7 days a week, on days, and could not early vote because the polls have closed before you get off each day that the polls were open. You are allowed by law to vote on the day of the election, and you show up at 6 pm because they let you off early, because they are required to. The next day you have to get up at 4 am to be able to get to work on time. Add this and your commute of 30 minutes each way to go to work.

. Now you are voting in a line that requires you to wait for hours. What has been gained by not letting people early voting?

When you are working 12-hour shutdowns, you usually do not go to the grocery store, beauty salon, barbershop,. Other people usually go to these places for you and you put off hair cuts. I have not had a hair cut from a barbershop since this started and I can order food online, just as many are doing.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, what would you want to be done to a person that tries to register to vote and lied about their residence.

Carlos Ponce

Lies about residence.... I'd have to know more specifics. Some have more than one residence like Nancy Pelosi who claims one of her 6 residences as "home" to continue representing that Congressional District. As long as they don't vote in multiple sites, there is not much problem.

Jim Forsythe

Tring to pass off their place of residence as somewhere that they are not living but turned in the form saying that they lived in that place.

Say I tried to register in Ohio while my place of residence is still in Texas. Most states require you to be a residence of that state.

What would you, Carlos want to be done to a person that tries to do this?

Carlos Ponce

"Tring (SIC) to pass off their place of residence as somewhere that they are not living but turned in the form saying that they lived in that place." As long as Nancy Pelosi only votes in that voting district I see no problem. When in California she is usually at her rock fence vineyard house with tennis courts. But most of the time she is at her DC area address to be close to her constituents (lobbyists).

Carlos Ponce

https://www.twc.texas.gov/news/efte/voting_time_off.html

Jim Forsythe

What would you, Carlos want to be done to a person that tries to do this?

Carlos Ponce

Already answered. If Pelosi only votes using one address, no problem. I was at Sam Houston State University at college but still used my Galveston County address to vote absentee.

Jim Forsythe

Employees have at least two hours off to vote on an election day. Going by this they would get off a 5 pm and then have to drive to the votinmg place and then wait for hours to be able to vote. Why is it necessary to depribe someone off sleep just because some do not want them to vote by mail!

Carlo what would you do about the person that tried to falsify the voter's registration?

Would you fine them or put them in jail?

Carlos Ponce

"Going by this they would get off a 5 pm and then have to drive to the votinmg place and then wait for hours to be able to vote."

Or they can vote early as Paula Flinn suggests.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, when one is working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, which I did for over a year with few breaks, voting early is not a choice.

If one working like this wants to vote, it on the voting day or you do not vote. Voting early is not possible for someone that has to work these hours.

So yes they are forced to wait hours to vote for a reason some think is a good thing.

We had some people that lived in the Lake Houston area and one man lived in Dime Box TX, another lived near Dallas. One man lived in Lousiana and lived with his mother in Hitchcock during his time to work.

Carlos Ponce

I talked with people today who did that type of work for Marathon, BP, Amoco, Inovene and they said they never had a problem with voting with that shift. Maybe it's just Jim.

Jim Forsythe

And they were working 12 hr, 7 days a week for over a year?

Jim Forsythe

they lived in Dime Box TX and had to vote in Dime Box TX.

Carlos Ponce

"And they were working 12 hr, 7 days a week for over a year?" I have no verification but they said they did.

Carlos Ponce

Dime Box is in Lee County.

Lee County is heavily Republican out polling Democrats in the March 2020 primaries by a better than 4 to 1 margin.

Ted Gillis

People talk to you?

Jim Forsythe

I know where Dime Box is. Dime Box is his home. He is required to vote in Lee County if he wants to vote.

Since the company is required to give him paid time off to vote, it makes it bad for him and the company. They also pay the ones working 12 hrs a day,7 days a week if on days. It can also result in another person having to come in, on overtime, to cover the shift. It would be easier if they could vote by mail.

Texas law requires an employer to provide an employee with paid time off to vote if the employee does not have two (2) consecutive hours outside their scheduled work hours in which to vote while polls are open. An employer that fails to provide the paid voting leave to an employee as required commits a Class C misdemeanor. TX Election Code 276.004

Carlos Ponce

Others have no problem voting with those hours.

Carlos Ponce

"A federal appeals court shot down a push to expand mail-in voting in Texas during coronavirus, erasing a lower court ruling, eviscerating the judge [Judge Fred Biery] for a shoddy opinion, and saying it’s up to states, not courts, to set voting rules."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/4/texas-vote-mail-expansion-rejected-5th-us-circuit-/

"In an order that will be remembered more for audacity than legal reasoning, the district judge intervenes just weeks before an election, entering a sweeping preliminary injunction that requires state officials, inter alia, to dis-tribute mail-in ballots to any eligible voter who wants one. But because the spread of the Virus has not given “unelected federal jud[ges]” a roving com-mission to rewrite state election codes, we stay the preliminary injunction pending appeals."

http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/20/20-50407-CV0.pdf

So it will be appealed but doubtful Judge Biery's order will stand.

Reminder: Judge Fred Biery was appointed by Bill Clinton.

Jim Forsythe

It to bad that some do not think of others. If making it harder to vote, by not allowing mail-in -voting, mission accomplished.

Carlos Ponce

Most aren't bothered by it. Are they smarter? Perhaps.

Jim Forsythe

We now have a ruling that allows the people who actually run elections, to use whatever standard they think to determine who can vote by mail. This may result in an inconsistent voting standard in Texas.

"If you were looking for voting-by-mail advice from the Texas Supreme Court, you're out of luck. The court ruled that the pandemic is no reason to expand voting by mail, but also that election officials don't have to check voter claims of disability. The judges sided with the people who actually run elections, saying they don’t have to ask voters what disability they’re claiming. If a voter properly fills out the request to vote by mail and gives “disability” as their reason, the election administrators can send mail ballots."

Look for an increase in curbside voting. This is going to make it easier for all. I hope all polling place is ready for all that have symptoms of COVID-19. If I request curbside voting and denied shame on them, and be ready for the Lawsuit that follows.

"The day before the Supremes ruled, the state’s top election officer — Secretary of State Ruth Hughs — issued some instructions for people in preparation for elections coming up in July. She said they “may want to consider” curbside voting if they have symptoms of COVID-19."

Carlos Ponce

Jim, you're over 65. You can vote by mail. Question is, will you?

Jim Forsythe

If I was concerned only for myself, it would be a different issue.

The method I chose should not a issue, because I can choose how I vote. If I choose to vote in person and need to vote curbside, it's best if they make it available.

Many in my family have no choice, as they are under 65. The man from Dime Box has a hard time voting. Others are important. But some have decided that voting by mail is wrong unless you are in a certain group. And the reason they think it is wrong is that it will cause rampant voter fraud, even though we do not have a problem now.

It almost like some want to make it as hard as possible for a person to vote!

Carlos Ponce

The Dime Box man should plan ahead.

Jim Forsythe

And planning ahead means what? Taking a day off to vote? Not voting?

If we had mail-in ballots, this would not have to be a discussion, because it would be easy for him to vote.

Some want to make it so hard to vote, that some will give up.

There are many people in Texas that are in the same boat as he is because of the jobs they have.

Mail-in -ballots would increase the number of people voting because of things like this.

More people voting would be a good thing.

Why would anyone not want more people voting?

Carlos Ponce

Not voting is not planning ahead.

Jim Forsythe

The Harris County Attorney’s office said it will not challenge any voter who claims a disability on a mail ballot application, effectively opening the door for all of the county’s 2.4 million voters to vote by mail.

Jim Forsythe

"Not voting is not planning ahead." so what is planning ahead for the man from Dime Box?

Why should a person have to do extensive planning to vote?

Mail-in voting is easy for anyone that wants to vote, if they are allowed.

But in Texas, all are not allowed for some reason.

I'm planning now if I will need curbside service to be able to vote.

Carlos Ponce

"so what is planning ahead for the man from Dime Box?"

Locate early voting times. See which is convenient.

If inconvenient, take time on election day. The law says he can. Select a time where there is little wait time, not when the doors open but about 1 to 2 hours after. Not at noon, and not when the rest of the county gets out of their jobs.

Jim Forsythe

You do know that Texas City to Dime Box is 179 miles. It also is 179 miles back, which would be required to be able to work the next day.

When a person is working 12hours a day 7 days a week, you have no days off.

Since you have no days off, early voting times do not matter.

If all goes well it takes over 2 hours and 30 minutes to drive from Texas City to Dime Box. The unit I worked on, most of the time the shift was 7 am to 7 pm if I working 12 shifts.

Add the amount of time in line plus the over 5 hours driving if no traffic, and at rush hour you have a lot of traffic, time to eat and take a shower, a person will not get much sleep for work the next day. I also would get up about 2 hours before my shift. The company I work for gave you off the last hours of your shift to vote.

Voting by mail for all would fix these kinds of problems.

Carlos Ponce

So would getting a job closer to home or moving closer to your job. They live in Dime Box but work in Texas City? A 3+ hour commute to work with a 3+ hour commute returning from work isn't sensible. So you want the entire state of Texas to change their way of voting for ONE person who wants a daily commute of about 7 hours? That's ridiculous! Voting is the least of that person's problems.

Jim Forsythe

I did not say he had a daily commute for 6+ hours a day. If he wants to vote, he has to vote where his home is. Since his family lives in Dime Box, he votes in Dime Box. When he is working, he stays in Texas City. He is not the only person I know that has this kind of life. Many of my construction friends that follow Turnarounds do the same. The Winter months are when most of this type of work is done. When we had the year and a half long turnaround, all the hotels and trailer parks in this area were full. For this turnaround, we had over 6 Thousand contractors working. I helped a friend find a place in Hitchcock during this time and he lives outside of Denton when he is not working. If they live where they work. they would lose out on Per Diem. Jobs in Texas are paying about $160 a day Per Diem tax-free, which is about $60,000 a year Per Diem. Some jobs reduce the rate they pay workers per hour and pay maximum Per Diem. Some jobs pay less Per Diem than others and some pay none. This is one of the factors which helps them to decide which turnaround to work.

Not everyone can live close to their job, but they do have a right to vote.

Carlos Ponce

Some people create their own problems.

"I did not say he had a daily commute for 6+ hours a day."

What DID Jim post?

"You do know that Texas City to Dime Box is 179 miles. It also is 179 miles back, which would be required to be able to work the next day."

Sounds like it to me. Your story gets more twisted with every telling.

The person you mention can work it out but every time you tell your tale the parameters change.

Jim Forsythe

When I posted I should have spelled it out to you. He stays in Texas City when he works, which I posted. When he votes he must drive to Dime Box and back if he is working the next day during the time to vote, which I posted.

As I said, he is not the only person to have this type of problem. You say he can work it out, what do you mean? The easiest way to work it out is mail-in voting for all. Voting should not be made so difficult that people are discouraged to vote.

Carlos Ponce

He can work it out.

Carlos Ponce

He can work it out

He can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time

For fussing and fighting, my friend

I have always thought that it's a crime

So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way

Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong

While you see your way,

There's a chance that you will find the truth before too long

He can work it out

He can work it out

Jim Forsythe

Again with the none answer.

Ted Gillis

John Lennon?

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