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Wayne Holt

I don't understand how I often engage with reasonable, fair-minded Democrats who I can have productive discussions with, at the same time their party leadership is led by a pack of public figures who seem to have no limits on deceit, obfuscation, power playing and ripping the country apart. This is a repeat of the Justice Kavanaugh debacle but they've dialed it up 10 notches. The distance between a Democrat like JFK and Rep. Adam Schiff is intergalactic in dimension. Democrats, and America, deserve a lot better than what Democrat leadership is offering.

Gary Miller

Wayne> The radicals running the Democrat party rely on one thing. Most Democrat voters vote the "D" by habit. Their problem is many Democrat voters have figured out voting the "D" has caused the failures of the party. Voting the "D" won't solve any problems but will cause more failures.

Carlos Ponce

The Impeachment Inquiry of Judge Samuel Kent and Judge G. Thomas Porteous started with Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling for a House floor vote in 2009. The Impeachment Inquiry into Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton started with a House floor vote. Yet in 2019, Nancy Pelosi says there is "no precedent" for a House floor vote for an Impeachment Inquiry. She must think the American people are too stupid to look it up. There was precedent. Look it up.

Jim Forsythe

Constitution of the United States Section 2

The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

The speaker of the House is in charge of how the investigation is conducted.

Once the investigation is over, she will decide if Articles of impeachment are needed, and if they will be drawn up. She may at this time say no vote is needed, because of lack of evidence. But, at that time a vote may be taken, if she determines that enough evidence is in place.

Remember that Nixon’s impeachment inquiry was conducted by the Senate Judiciary Committee, so no two impeachment inquiries are the same.

The House typically first conducts an investigation, often by the House Judiciary Committee. Nixon’s impeachment inquiry, however, was conducted by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Sometimes the inquiry is led by an independent counsel. Articles of impeachment are drawn up, which are essentially formal allegations against the President. The House then votes on these allegations. In order for a sitting President to be impeached, the House must pass the articles of impeachment by a simple majority.

Carlos Ponce

The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - not just the DEMOCRATS in closed door secret meetings. By excluding members of the opposition party they are going OUTSIDE the Constitution and therefore ILLEGAL. Soups like a COUP

Carlos Ponce

Sounds like a coup.

Jim Forsythe

In 1973, the Senate Watergate hearings (with testimony from John Dean, and the revelation of the White House tapes by Alexander Butterfield) investigation held in May and June 1973, and the House Judiciary Committee authorized Chairman Rodino to commence an investigation, with subpoena power, on October 30, 1973. The full House voted to initiate impeachment proceedings on February 6, 1974, that is, after nine months of formal investigations by various Congressional committees

Speaker of the House was Newt Gingrich when Clinton was impeached. Newt did it his way, because he was in charge. Nancy Pelosi will follow the Constitution of the United States. She has choices on how to do it.

During this time of fact gathering, the President has a chance to present his side. If he chooses to not to do so he will miss his chance to have input at this time. What is happening now is not a illegal investigation nor a coup. His new thing with Turkey, will not make it any easier for him.

A coup d'état, also known as a putsch, a golpe de estado, or simply as a coup, means the overthrow of an existing government; typically, this refers to an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a dictator, the military, or a political faction.

Gary Miller

Carlos> Do democrats think a failed COUP will help them? The Senate will find Trump innocent of all charges.

Emile Pope

Before anything started, there was an investigation and evidence was presented. In donald's case, they absolutely refused to provide and evidence, testimony, or documentation. So quit trying to act is if they are the same as any other inquiry. And there was no demand that an impeachment inquiry be voted on before evidence was required to be given.

Carlos Ponce

One should never agree to participate in an illegal investigation. I know Emile wouldn't - or would he?

Emile Pope

donald doesn't get to decide the rules of the House...

Carlos Ponce

President Trump does not make the House rule but Nancy isn't following the same rules she followed in 2009 as speaker. That's wrong.

Charles Douglas

Doesn't matter Mr. Ponce, the POTUS is not going to get pushed out of office anyway! The Democrats are in a hole, and desperate! They are out of ideas, ...so now they want to offer up everything FREE!, open borders, SANCTUARY CITIES, gun confiscation, fossil fuel industries shutdown, and outlawed! If I was an electrician, or pipefitters, I would be particularly concerned about this! I know some liberals who hate D.L. Trump so much they'd rather get in the food stamp lines, the Liberals will be sponsoring if they get control! Yes, they look like a drowning man going under the third time, they are out of ideas, and out of time with these political terrorist acts of the deep state, who the Democratic leadership has turned to in a last ditch effort to STOP President Trump!

Emile Pope

Simply not true...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, three investigations are beginning to come to light. Democrats know this. That's why they have a deadline to try to impeach. The investigation will reveal corruption among Democrats. Look for the following to release their reports: Attorney General Barr, Inspector General Horowitz, US attorney Durham.

Gary Miller

Emile> The rules of the House belong to 435 members not the Speaker. Rules the members voted for in past are being violated by Pelosi without a vote to change them.

Gary Miller

The rules of impeachment belong to the members of the house. Not the Speaker. Members haven't voted to change the rules to a kangaro court system. The first House rule Pelosi has violated is a full house recorded vote to start an impeachment investigation. Until they do that, the AG, Senate and SCOTUS will ignore what they do. In the US we are innocent until convicted but Pelosi has declared Trump guilty and ruled he can't offer any evidence he is innocent. 33+ senators will find Trump innocent of all charges.

Emile Pope

False

Gary Miller

Emile> You wish!

Dan Freeman

Rules for the House impeachment process may be found at: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf

Basically, what is occurring now is rather like a Grand Jury investigation. If sufficient evidence of a High Crime or Misdemeanor is found, this would correspond to an indictment. The House would then vote on the impeachment and the Senate would try it. If the Grand Jury analogy holds, then it is normal that the President would not testify or bring witnesses, unless he chooses to under the Fifth Amendment. Moreover in a Grand Jury investigation, the lawyers for the defense are not permitted.

Carlos Ponce

As per your Rules for House impeachment process I see the following on p 18 ( p 21 of PDF):

"A resolution impeaching a particular individual, who is within the category of impeachable officers under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution, is usually referred directly to the House Committee on the Judiciary.154A resolution to authorize an investigation as to whether grounds exist for the House to exercise its impeachment power is referred to the House Committee on Rules.155Generally, such a resolution is then referred to the House Judiciary Committee.156During the House impeachment investigation of President Richard M. Nixon, a resolution reported out of the House Judiciary Committee, H.Res. 803,157wascalled up for immediate consideration as a privileged matter. The resolution authorized the House Judiciary Committee to investigate fully whether sufficient grounds existed for the House to impeach President Nixon, specified powers which the Committee could exercise in conducting this investigation, and addressed funding for that purpose. The resolution was agreed to by the House.158"

Ask yourself, where is the resolution? Why are Republicans excluded when both parties were included in previous Impeachment Inquiries? Why is Schiff (Intelligence Committee) conducting investigations behind closed. doors? I remember the Impeachment Inquiry into Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton were televised, Nixon in pre C-Span days.

Jim Forsythe

From Carlos link, which points to what is happening now. the House is examining the charges

Investigation In all prior impeachment proceedings, the House has examined the charges prior to entertaining any vote. Usually an initial investigation is conducted by the Judiciary Committee, to which investigating and reporting duties are delegated by resolution after charges have been presented. However, it is possible that this investigation could be carried out by a select or special committee. If authorized by the House, the Judiciary Committee may designate a subcommittee or task force to investigate whether an individual should be impeached. It is possible that this investigation could be carried out by a select or special committee. If you read it all , it says nothing about when a vote must happen, except the House may vote to impeach.

Most impeachments have concerned behavior occurring while an individual is in a federal office. However, some have addressed, at least in part, conduct before individuals assumed their positions

While the House Judiciary Committee usually conducts impeachment investigations, such matters have occasionally been referred to other committees, such as the House Committee on Reconstruction in the impeachment of President Andrew Johnson, or to a special or select committee

Emile Pope

Why does he provide links that prove him wrong. Apparently he believes that no one will fact check him...

Carlos Ponce

That didn't happen here, Emile. On the other hand Emile Pope is proven wrong ALL THE TIME.

Jim, The "House" is NOT examining the charges. The "House" is made up of 435 members but only a handful of Democrats are conducting the secret investigations behind closed door. No Republicans can cross examine or subpoena witnesses to counter. Democrats aren't pulling a fast one. It's evident this is not a bonafide CONGRESSIONAL investigation.

Jim Forsythe

The speaker is going by what the Constitution states is OK

It is possible that this investigation could be carried out by a select or special committee.

The Constitution does not require all to be part of the investigation phase.

Carlos Ponce

"The speaker is going by what the Constitution states is OK." Not really.

THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES is responsible for Impeachment, not a handful of Democrats. That's why a FLOOR VOTE was initiated for launching an Impeachment Inquiry in:

1973 by Speaker Carl Albert into an Impeachment Inquiry into Richard Nixon.

1998 by Speaker Newt Gingrich into am Impeachment Inquiry into Bill Clinton

2009 by Speaker Nancy Pelosi 1.0 into the Impeachment Inquiry of Judge Thomas Porteous

2009 by Speaker Nancy Pelosi 1.0 into the Impeachment Inquiry of Judge Samuel Kent

BUT NOW Speaker Nancy Pelosi 2.0 has launched an Impeachment Inquiry by a handful of Democrats with NO ONE voting for the Inquiry. The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES is not involved, just a handful of Democrats.

Carlos Ponce

There is a problem with the Democrats not allowing Republicans to cross examine nor subpoena witnesses. As indicated by Alexander Hamilton in The Federalist Number 65, " ...and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt."

What the Democrats are doing, Hamilton viewed as a "great danger".

Emile Pope

More garbage. Totally false...

Carlos Ponce

So Emile is saying Alexander Hamilton is wrong. I guess you won't be seeing the musical "Hamilton". As for the rest of my post it is entirely true but Emile won't bother to seek the truth. Truth must be above his pay grade.

Emile Pope

The republicans had no problem with refusing to allow the Democrats to subpoena anyone when they held the House. Or allowing any investigations of donald. But now they want to whine about fairness since they aren't in control. Sickening hypocrisy...

Carlos Ponce

"The republicans had no problem with refusing to allow the Democrats to subpoena anyone when they held the House." I bet you cannot find an example where the Republicans refused in either House because it never happened. Look at the Senate Judiciary Hearings on Brett Kavanaugh. Dems were able to call anyone.

Emile Pope

Your president is a crook....

Carlos Ponce

And Emile is a Trump hater.

Jim Forsythe

The Constitution vests the House with "the sole Power of Impeachment" in Article I, Section 2, and prescribes in Article I, Section 5, that "each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings.

Carlos Ponce

"The Constitution vests the House" - THE HOUSE, not a handful of Democrats. So, the other Speakers of the House (including Nancy Pelosi 1.0) were WRONG when they brought the Impeachment Inquiry to the House floor for a vote before proceeding?

Why is Nancy Pelosi 2.0 doing this? Could it be that Republicans have no voice, no cross examination, no way to subpoena rebuttal witnesses? Be honest, Jim. Does that sound fair? I know you will refuse to answer this question because it is obviously not fair. But remember come 2021 when Republicans retain the Presidency and Senate and retake the House, not to complain because "each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings". And should a Supreme Court Justice need replacement don't complain when it's done in an election year because Jim says "each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings". And I remember in 2016 Jim complaining about the Senate not considering Obama's SCOTUS nominee but NOW you say "each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings". This knife cuts both ways.

Emile Pope

It was fair when the republicans did it...

Carlos Ponce

When did the Republicans not allow Democrats to cross examine or call rebttal witnesses?????

Jim Forsythe

Republicans are refusing to name new witnesses in the Congressional investigation into the Trump campaign's alleged collusion with Russia during the 2016 election and may be prematurely winding down the probe, according to the ranking Democrat in the House Intelligence Committee. “Yet, Republicans have scheduled no witnesses after next Friday and none in 2017. We have dozens of outstanding witnesses on key aspects of our investigation that they refuse to contact and many document requests they continue to sit on,”.

Jim Forsythe

The Senate has voted on eight Supreme Court nominees during an election year since 1900, and six were confirmed. You said that they were going by past practice in not allowing a vote, which they were not. Now you want past practice to trump the speakers right to do it how she see is the best way, give the tenor of the times. Just because Trump thinks it is unfair, does not make it so. This is about what he did and not what he and his followers want.

Carlos Ponce

"Republicans are refusing to name new witnesses in the Congressional investigation into the Trump campaign's alleged collusion with Russia..." How can you witness something that never happened?

Jim Forsythe

We have dozens of outstanding witnesses on key aspects of our investigation that they refuse to contact and many document requests they continue to sit on,”.

Carlos Ponce

" they refuse to contact and many document requests they continue to sit on," Would you obey an illegal request? Why doesn't Speaker Pelosi call a House floor vote for an Impeachment Inquiry like she and other speakers have done before? Does she not have the votes? Or does she like the Republicans not being able to cross examine or call rebuttal witnesses? Once she gets a favorable vote then it will be legal. CALL FOR A VOTE, NANCY!

Jim Forsythe

Calling witnesses for a ongoing investigation is not illegal.

You and others can try and browbeat the Speaker, but she will do it as she sees fit. If the Republican's and others do not like it, take it to the Supreme Court. It will be turned down because the way she is doing it, is just one way that is spelled out in the Constitution. Oh, that's right, it does not spell out how, just who is in charge, In this case it is the Democrats and she is the Speaker in charge.

Carlos Ponce

"Calling witnesses for a ongoing investigation is not illegal." Then why is Schiff refusing to allow Republicans to call witnesses or even question those called by Democrats? Why is she refusing to do what she and other Speakers have done in the past and put the issue of an Impeachment Inquiry on the House floor. Calling witnesses for a ongoing investigation is not illegal, but the way these hearings are being conducted are.

Suppose a future Republican Speaker of the House did the same. "We're going to do an impeachment inquiry into a Democrat. A vote? Nah, I just proclaimed it. And by the way, you Democrats have no say in the matter. No right to cross examine. No right to call rebuttal witnesses. Just sit back and we'll handle everything behind closed doors. And we won't even reveal what went on in those hearings with transcripts except for the final one which says "Based on what we know, IMPEACH".

You know if that happened, Jim Forsythe would cry "FOUL!"

Jim Forsythe

It's not up to Carlos and Jim, because the Speaker is running the show. When and if it reaches the Senate, Nancy will no longer be in charge of this. Future speakers will do it the way they want. As far as bring illegal , it's not. All this is spelled out in the Constitution. When and if it reaches the Senate Addison Mitchell McConnell Jr can do it his way, which may include not allowing a vote. That's up to him.

Jim Forsythe

It's not up to Carlos and Jim, because the Speaker is running the show. When and if it reaches the Senate, Nancy will no longer be in charge of this. Future speakers will do it the way they want. As far as bring illegal , it's not. All this is spelled out in the Constitution. When and if it reaches the Senate Addison Mitchell McConnell Jr can do it his way, which may include not allowing a vote. That's up to him.

Carlos Ponce

There will be no Impeachment if House members take a roll call vote.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos you are Getting ahead of what is happening. The House is only on the first step and may not get any further. The articles of impeachment have not even been drafted.

The House is on the first step which is, a small group known as the House Judiciary Committee must assess and vote on the articles of impeachment. These articles essentially outline the charges that would be brought against the president in an impeachment trial.

Second step: Once the articles of impeachment are drafted, the 40 members of the House Judiciary Committee will vote on whether or not bring them to the full House of Representative.

Third step: Once the articles of impeachment are drafted, the 40 members of the House Judiciary Committee would vote on whether or not bring them to the full House of Representatives. 21 of the 40 members of the committee would need to vote in favor of passing the articles of impeachment to the rest of the House.

Fourth step:Once the articles make it out of the Judiciary Committee, the 435 members of the House of Representatives can debate the merits of the articles of impeachment. A simple majority in order to successfully impeach the president and move this whole thing to the Senate.

Gary Miller

I can name only two people fact checkers accuse of telling the truth. Emile and Schiff.

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