It's a sad time for America when a known draft dodger can make fun of, and put down, a great American statesman, war hero and former prisoner of war, and continue to do so long after the man is dead.

No decent human being would stoop so low.

It's time for a new battle cry in America: "Crooked Donald ... lock him up!"

Calvin D. Meeks

Galveston

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Don Schlessinger

How many guys above the age of eighteen do you know who has not volunteered to serve in the military? Do consider them "draft dogers"? How much time did you spend in the military? Oh, as far as the President goes, most of us thought it was a stupid thing to do. But you really should do something about that TDS, it's so unbecoming.

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Gary Miller

Draft deferments are not draft dodging. They are legal because congress thought certain exceptions were legitimate. VN draft dodgers served a good purpose by telling government it didn't own their life or future.

George Caros

I'm glad the commie and putin straightend it all out with a phone call to the commies handler

Don Schlessinger

OOPS: have not volunered

Carlos Ponce

If you don't like him or the great things his administration has accomplished then don't vote for him. Chances are Calvin didn't vote for him in 2016 and Trump still won. Posts like this will not influence anyone from voting for or against Trump. This letter to the editor is mean spirited. Discuss issues.

Patricia C Newsom

Negative people do not know how to discuss issues.

Emile Pope

Whether this president is corrupt is unquestionable. Whether he committed criminal acts while in office has been shown. The crimes he committed before being elected (and some while in office) are being investigated by various jurisdictions. The only thing in question is whether people are willing to excuse him because he says and does things they are personally too embarrassed (and ashamed) to do themselves. And how much of their dignity they’re willing to forfeit...

Kitty Allen

[thumbup]

Carlos Ponce

"The only thing in question is whether people are willing to excuse him..."
The Lord Jesus Christ calls upon his people to do precisely that.

Gary Scoggin

Are you willing to excuse Hillary Clinton?

Gary Miller

Emile. Slandering Trump without any evidence demeans you, not him. I'm glad there are so few people like you the best president in my 85 years will be elected again.

Emile Pope

It has to be untrue to be slander...

Carlos Ponce

Emile cannot prove his slanderous statements.

Emile Pope

Read the Mueller report. The rest will come later. Just ask unindicted co-conspirator #1...

Dan Freeman

Mr. Miller, do you really believe Donald J. Trump is better than Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan, and both Bushes? That is scary.

Emile Pope

Guess that taking away people’s healthcare is considered a good thing...

Gary Miller

Dan. Yes I do.

Robert Braeking

If you are so certain that the president is corrupt then draw up your articles of impeachment. Quit bumping your gums and show us some action.

Robert Braeking

When I read the headline I thought it was about Clinton. Regardless the personality traits you gotta admit that this country is better off with Trump at the helm.

Dalton Logan

I too first thought that he was talking about Clinton.[beam]

Alan Waters

I know that most of you are too young to have been around during or had to face the draft. It was really scary to kids in school. The vast majority of the population was against the war and no one could tell you why we were even there. Those that came home were spit on. Every night you watched death on television from war videos. My draft number was 23. I was healthy, I was going to war. Everyone knew that if there was anyway you could get out of this, you did. My family had no influence or money, so I served. Serving in the military then, was nothing like it is now. So, judging now what happened then, isn't really fair, unless you were there. I am very proud of our service members today. They are choosing to serve our independence, not being forced to and are properly held up as heroes.

Jarvis Buckley

Our military supports our President.

David Smith

All true.. the only reason I didnt go was because of my high draft number

Carlos Ponce

Donald Trump had a student deferment.
Bill Clinton had a student deferment.
Joe Biden had a student deferment.
Dick Cheney had a student deferment.
Mitt Romney had a student deferment.
I had a student deferment.
If you served, thank you for your service.

Jim Forsythe

Donald Trump's Selective Service records from 1964 through 1972, when he was classified 4-F (not qualified for military service).
The matter of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s military service (or lack thereof) surfaced multiple times during the 2016 election cycle, first in July 2015 when Trump maligned Sen. John McCain, a POW during the Vietnam War, for being captured, and again in July 2016 when he openly feuded with the family of slain U.S. soldier Humayun Khan after Khan’s father, Khizr, criticized Trump during an appearance at the Democratic National Convention.
1964:
Donald Trump became eligible for the draft on his 18th birthday (14 June 1964) and registered with the Selective Service System 10 days later. He received the first of four 2-S (college) deferments on 28 July 1964.
1965:
Trump received his second college deferment on 14 December 1965.
1966:
Trump’s previous deferment expired and he was reclassified 1-A (available for military service) on 22 November 1966. His 2-S deferment was renewed on 13 December.
1967:
No record.
1968:
Trump received his fourth and final college deferment on 16 January 1968. After graduating from Wharton, he was reclassified 1-A on 9 July 1968. Trump underwent an Armed Forces physical examination (with a result listed only as “DISQ”) on 19 September 1968 and was reclassified 1-Y (qualified for service only in time of war or national emergency) on 15 October 1968.
According to a statement from the Trump campaign, the 1-Y classification stemmed from Trump’s having bone spurs in both heels:
While attending the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Finance, Mr. Trump received a minor medical deferment for bone spurs on both heels of his feet. The medical deferment was expected to be short-term and he was therefore entered in the military draft lottery, where he received an extremely high number, 356 out of 365.
1972:
Despite the supposedly “short-term” nature of Trump’s disqualifying physical condition, on 17 February 1972 he was reclassified 4-F (not qualified for military service), presumably due to the abolishment of the 1-Y classification the previous year.


Bailey Jones

John McCain was an American hero, loved and respected by many - even those of us on the other side of the political spectrum. He devoted his entire adult life to public service. Like so many Republicans, he rejected the very idea of a Trump presidency when Trump entered the race. Like so very few Republicans, he held onto his principles after Trump won, even unto death. Trump insulted every POW in American history ("He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured." ) and you all made him President.

Carlos Ponce

John McCain said, "I'm not a hero."
Do all former POWs claim to be war heroes? I know a few who were POW during WWII. None ever claimed to be a "war hero" and if asked would tell you they were not. That was from what many term the Greatest Generation.
What did John McCain Say?
"I'm not a hero. But those who were my senior ranking officers … those that have inspired us to do things that we otherwise wouldn't have been capable of doing, those are the people that I think he owes an apology to."
https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-donald-trump-war-hero-2015-7
So John McCain says he's not a hero. Why dispute the man?
In 2015, Dr. Ben Carson was asked if John McCain was a "war hero".
He replied, "It depends on your definition of a war hero."
In a "60 Minutes" interview in 1999 Donald Trump was asked that question.
“He was captured … Does being captured make you a hero? I don’t know. I’m not sure,” he said.

Jim Forsythe

There are certain things that are right and certain things that are wrong -- whether you are a Democrat, a Republican or somewhere in between. And attacking a dead man who spent five years as a prisoner of war and another three decades serving the country in elected office, is simply wrong.
What Trump's comments about McCain should remind us of is this: Whether there is political gain to be found in dishonoring a lifelong public servant, it is simply wrong. It is not who we are -- or who we should be

Jim Forsythe

What does Carlos say? Not what Trump says, but what do you say.
Was John McCain a hero?
A true hero, does not consider themselves one.
A man that told his captors "Our Code of Conduct says we must not accept parole, amnesty or special favors." and payed for this by spending five years in Hoa Lo for refusing to cooperate with his country's enemy. He would never again be able to lift either arm above his shoulders after this.

Bailey Jones

Of course McCain said he wasn't a hero. All real heroes say that - it's a personal attribute called "humility". You disappoint me, Carlos. I was hoping that this one time, for this singular heinous act of pettiness and callous disrespect for the incredible price paid by our Vietnam POWs that you would be able to admit that your president was in the wrong. Just this once. Instead you run to the internet to try and justify it. "Of course, to stay, you must be seen as on his team, so you make further compromises. You use his language, praise his leadership, tout his commitment to values. And then you are lost. He has eaten your soul."

Steve Fouga

Carlos slavishly follows Trump, no matter what. When I first joined this forum, I actually thought he was a paid shill. It's embarrassing.

Carlos Ponce

Steve slavishly hates Trump, no matter what. Lowest unemployment rate in decades across the board, stronger economy, stronger military, etc but still Steve slavishly hates Trump, no matter what.

Jim Forsythe

What does Carlos say? Not what Trump says, but what do you say.
Was John McCain a hero?

This is not about employment or the economy, but is about John McCain and his being a hero too the USA,
It's also about Donald Trump who said "that the danger he faced from getting sexually transmitted diseases was his own “personal Vietnam.”. while John McCain who was a prisoner of WAR at the same time!

I guess you will do what you always do, and try and change the subject.

Carlos Ponce

Did McCain keep his word to the people of Arizona and to fellow Senators to vote FOR the American Healthcare Act?

Jim Forsythe

John McCain's voting record has nothing to do with his being a WAR HERO!

Was John McCain a hero? Carlos, was he?

You already are already trying to change the subject.

Carlos Ponce

You are one dimensional in this forum Jim. The subject is Donald Trump. His animosity towards McCain is multi-faceted. If you examine Trump's quotes on McCain you will find much more on McCain's voting record, promises made towards constituents and party members unkept. To ignore these elephants in the room shows your lack of insight.

Jim Forsythe

You are trying to change the subject again!

Was John McCain a WAR HERO? Carlos, was he?

Mike Zeller

Carlos,Was John McCain a hero?

Carlos Ponce

No Jim, you're trying to NARROW the subject. Read the original Letter to the Editor.

Carlos Ponce

I answer Zeller's question with the following:
In 2015, Dr. Ben Carson was asked if John McCain was a "war hero".
He replied, "It depends on your definition of a war hero."

Jim Forsythe

You are trying to change the subject again!

Carlos, you did not answer the question.
Was John McCain a WAR HERO.
What do you think, not what Ben Carson, Trump or someone else but you, Carlos Ponce .

The answer is a yes or a no.

Mike Zeller

It was a simple, yes or no, question. Your none answer, tells me a lot about your character. Most people would give a yes or no answer and be proud to own it. Sad[sad] . I disagreed with his politics, but he WAS a Vietnam War Hero. [thumbup]

Carlos Ponce

Neither of you provide a definition of "hero".
John McCain was in the United States Navy.
The Navy awards two medals for acts of heroism: the Navy "Medal of Honor" for combat, the "Navy and Marine Corps Medal" for acts of non-combat heroism.
John McCain had a distinguished Naval career awarded the Naval Aviator's Badge, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit w/Combat V and Star, the Distinguish Flying Cross, the Bronze Star w/V and Two Stars, Purple Heart w/Star, Meritorious Service Medal, Air Medal w/Star and Strike/Flight Numeral 2, Navy Commendation Medal w/ Combat V and Star, Navy Combat Action Ribbon, Navy Unit Commendation, Navy Meritorious Unit Commendation, Prisoner of War Medal, Navy Expeditionary Medal, National Defense Service Medal w/Star, Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with Two Stars, Republic of Vietnam National Order of Vietnam, Republic of Vietnam Meritorious Unit Citation (Gallantry Cross) and Vietnam Campaign Service.
The Bronze Star is awarded for either heroic achievement, heroic service, meritorious achievement, or meritorious service in a combat zone. John McCain received his Bronze Star for his actions as a POW.
The Navy Commendation Medal was awarded for leading his air section through heavy enemy fire during an October 18 raid on the Lac Trai shipyard in Haiphong. It is presented for sustained acts of heroism or meritorious service.

Gary Scoggin

This is hilarious. Carlos is so eaten up in his love for Donald Trump, he can’t even say something nice about John McCain. Carlos, was McCain a hero?

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin posts, "he can’t even say something nice about John McCain".
Read my post: "
Apparently you failed to read my post, "John McCain had a distinguished Naval career" sounds like "something nice" to the rest of the world.
Still you have NOT provided a definition of "hero".

Jim Forsythe

If someone needs the definition of hero or WAR HERO he is not even in the same place as Trump, Trump has no problem with the definition of WAR hero, but Carlos does? Trump said "“He was a war hero because he was captured."
Not once did Trump need the definition of hero, but Carlos does?
. McCain, who deliberately choose years of continued confinement, abuse and torture to remain with his men in Hanoi Hilton, rather than receive favored status, is so far beyond hero, Trump can't even fathom the idea. Can you Carlos?

Trump at a press conference if he wanted to apologize to McCain. Trump said: “No, not at all.” When asked was he was familiar with what happened to McCain during his captivity, Trump said: “It’s irrelevant.” Is it irrelevant too you Carlos?
Others that do not need the definition of WAR HERO.
“I know @SenJohnMcCain. Senator John McCain is an American hero. Period. Stop,” tweeted New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
”.@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero & all POW’s deserve our nation’s highest debt of gratitude. @realDonaldTrump’s comments are disgraceful,” tweeted former Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close friend of McCain’s, tweeted, “If there was ever any doubt that @realDonaldTrump should not be our commander in chief, this stupid statement should end all doubt.” He added: “At the heart of @realDonaldTrump statement is a lack of respect for those who have served - a disqualifying characteristic to be president.”
At a campaign event in Sioux City, Iowa, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker called McCain “an American hero.” At a press gaggle afterwards, he said of Trump, “I unequivocally denounce him.”
“America’s POWs deserve much better than to have their service questioned by the offensive rantings of Donald Trump,” tweeted Florida Sen. Marco Rubio
Sean Spicer, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, tweeted: “.@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero because he served his country and sacrificed more than most can imagine. Period.” “There is no place in our party or our country for comments that disparage those who have served honorably,” he added.

Carlos Ponce

In answering Jim Forsythe's question I need to know Jim Forsythe's definition of a war hero.

Jim Forsythe

No, you only need to answer what Carlos thinks. Not what someone else thinks
You can think for yourself?

Carlos Ponce

Jim, if you cannot think of a definition then forget it.

Gary Scoggin

What’s YOUR definition, Carlos? By your definition, who among the following qualify as heroes? Trump, MCCain, Barr, Mueller.

Carlos Ponce

The US Navy definition of a hero:
John McCain was in the United States Navy.
The Navy awards two medals for acts of heroism: the Navy "Medal of Honor" for combat, the "Navy and Marine Corps Medal" for acts of non-combat heroism.

Bailey Jones

"Carlos is so eaten up in his love for Donald Trump, he can’t even say something nice about John McCain." Oh, now - that's not fair. I'm sure that Carlos, like every other Republican (before Trump ate their souls) voted for McCain for President.

Carlos Ponce

Of the two McCain was a better choice than the alternativein November 2008. Of all who initially ran I actually preferred Alan Keyes who withdrew on April 15, 2008.

Jim Forsythe

The question now is, can Carlos think for himself ?
Think hard on this Carlos, was John McCain a WAR HERO?
The answer is YES or NO.

If this is to hard for you, you need to contact the university, college or on line school
that you graduated from and ask for a refund, for not making sure you could think for yourself.

Carlos Ponce

"The question now is, can Carlos think for himself ?"
Ask your sons whom I had as students.

Jim Forsythe

Again with the ask someone else.
Carlos, was John McCain a WAR HERO?

Carlos Ponce

Jim, the question has been answered.

Jim Forsythe

Not by you,
Carlos, did not answer it.
Carlos, was John McCain a WAR HERO?
You have never said YES or NO.

Carlos Ponce

"You never said yes or no."
Here it is..... "yes or no". There, I've posted it. Happy????

Jim Forsythe

You have just demonstrated that no matter what, you are in Trumps house, even if you think another way.
Otherwise you would have said, I agree with Trump or no, on this I disagree.
You are unable to say Yes ,John McCain is a WAR HERO, because you are ate up with, Trumps is always right.
Being unable to state your opinion on a easy yes or on question, does not look good on you.

Carlos Ponce

The US Navy definition of a hero:
John McCain was in the United States Navy.
The Navy awards two medals for acts of heroism: the Navy "Medal of Honor" for combat, the "Navy and Marine Corps Medal" for acts of non-combat heroism.

Jim Forsythe

Again, deflecting from the question,
Please give your opinion.
Your opinion is not what the Navy gives awards for.
Is your opinion the same as Trumps, that a hero can not be captured. Since you are in Trumps camp, I can not expect anything but what Trump thinks from you. Are you not better than that, or are you just a Trump puppet?

Carlos Ponce

That ANSWERS the question, Jim.

Robert Braeking

Trump insulted McCain not every POW in American history. I will not speak ill of the dead but I can find no redeeming qualities in the life and times of John McCain. May he rest in peace.

Gary Miller

Amen Robert. I think his political record looks like McCain was a brain washed mole that used the media calling him a "War Hero" to get elected. Elected he disrupted as much as he could. Was he a "war Hero"? No more than the other American POW's captured during that stupid war. Other POW's suffered more than he did but were spit on when they got home. Thank god America is now free of McCains influence.

Jarvis Buckley

I had friends killed in Vietnam. They are the real heros.

Jarvis Buckley

I had family that hit the beach in IwoJima. They were the real heros

Jarvis Buckley

John Mcain served his country
went to congress making less than $200,000 a year. Died a multi millionaire with a mega ranch.

Jarvis Buckley

My brother n law got $300.00 a month for having his arm Partially
blown off in World War Two . He suffered everyday got up every morning at four went to the woods cut pulp wood.
I was a college student 2s wasn't drafted. My brother n law was a real hero . Didn't get much for his service
Except he lived to vote republican
Every election

Jim Forsythe

Jarvis
Most of us have family and friends that are hero's. I had one Uncle that died, and one with a disability from being shot, I just went to his 100 birthday party.
The men and woman that did brave things for us all of us, do not diminish what John McCain did for us.

Are you suggesting that John McCain violated the emoluments clause or made his money illegally?
Has Trump not made Millions while in office? Has Trump violated the emoluments clause?

Gary Miller

Yes Jim. I think McCain violated anything that put money in his pocket. Trumps businesses are in a blind trust he can't access until out of office. Do they continue to earn? Of course if well managed.
The "draft dodgers" were more Heroic than MCain. He Made millions as a "war Hero" Draft dodgers gave up much of their American rights to protest government claims on their lives and future.

Emile Pope

That’s simply made up garbage. His finances are not in a blind trust...

Carlos Ponce

Nomenclature, Emile. Trump placed his investments in an inter vivos trust (aka revocable trust).

Emile Pope

Wrong...

Carlos Ponce

"wrong"??? Really, Emile? You're wrong. I'm right.
"Attached to the notice is a summary that reveals the existence of a revocable trust -- one created 'to hold assets for the exclusive benefit' of Trump."
https://money.cnn.com/2017/02/08/news/trump-trust-what-we-know/index.html
"Trump and his attorneys have pointed to the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust as a response to widespread worries from ethics lawyers, who have said Trump’s refusal to divest ownership of his company creates the potential that he can derive personal profit from his public office."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-can-quietly-draw-money-from-trust-whenever-he-wants-new-documents-show/2017/04/03/7f4c0002-187c-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.9762b605d4ec
"the purpose of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust is to hold assets for the “exclusive benefit” of the president."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/politics/donald-trump-business.html
"On February 22, 2016, Donald J. Trump conveyed his membership interest in DJT Holdings LLC to the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust (see first attachment). On January 19, 2017, Donald J. Trump conveyed his personal stock holdings in Trump Old Post Office Member Corp. to DJT Holdings Managing Member LLC, the Managing Member of DJT Holdings, LLC (second attachment)."
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3442581/Trump-International-Hotel-Liquor-License-Filings.pdf
Need more links that prove I an right, Emile?

Jim Forsythe

The rest of the story. Trump can use money from the Trust anytime he wants. The is part of the updated version of the trust’s certification document
A new document shows that President Trump can take money from his companies at any time through the eponymous trust that holds his businesses.
That’s one new detail about the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust included in an updated version of the trust’s certification document, the original of which was first obtained in January 2017. A new version of that document was released by the federal government . The new document says that Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and longtime attorney Allen Weisselberg must “distribute net income or principal to Donald J. Trump at his request” or whenever they deem fit.
The original trust certification from Jan. 26 made no mention of the president’s son, Eric. The February version lists him as the chairman of the trust’s advisory board, though not as a trustee
The original version said the trust was for President Trump’s “exclusive benefit.” The new version removed the word “exclusive.


Carlos Ponce

"The rest of the story. Trump can use money from the Trust anytime he wants."
This satisfied the ethics lawyers. They see no problem with the trust arrangement. This allows him to access his funds to donate money like he did to help repair Notre Dame:
"Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump
Just had a wonderful conversation with @Pontifex Francis offering condolences from the People of the United States for the horrible and destructive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral. I offered the help of our great experts on renovation and construction as I did...."
Why not his salary? He already donated it.
"What's True-President Trump has so far donated his whole presidential salary to various agencies"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-obama-salary-donations/
"Trump donates second-quarter salary to SBA"
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/

Emile Pope

That’s not a blind trust. And oh by the way, doesn’t he receive money from the government when he takes his numerous trips to mara lago? He’s a crook plain and simple...

Carlos Ponce

"That’s not a blind trust."
Did I post it was?????? What I posted was, "Trump placed his investments in an inter vivos trust (aka revocable trust)." You posted that was "wrong". I proved by links that I was RIGHT!
" And oh by the way, doesn’t he receive money from the government when he takes his numerous trips to mara lago? He’s a crook plain and simple..." WRONG! Plain and simple, WRONG!
No "money" received, Emile. Presidential trips do cost money like Obama's frequent trips to Hawaii (a much costlier trip due to distance by the way) but NO MONEY is received, no additional salary.

Emile Pope

Who do you think owns mara lago??? Are the mara lago services provided for free???

Emile Pope

Now you're just becoming a joke...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, do you have to pay to enter your own property?
Mar-a-Lago is owned by Donald Trump. He nor the government has to pay for him or his guests to enter his own property. 500 club members pay for the upkeep of the Mar-a-Lago Club which is on the Mar-a-Lago estate.

Carlos Ponce

The government does pay for Secret Service accommodations at Mar - a - Lago.
Just as:
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Hawaii and Martha's Vineyard (Obama),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Crawford, Texas (Bush2),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Martha's Vineyard (Clinton),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Kennebunkport (Bush 1),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Santa Barbara (Reagan),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Plains, GA (Carter),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Palm Springs and Vail (Ford),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Clemente (Nixon),
the government paid for Secret Service accommodations in Gillespie County (Johnson), etc

Carlos Ponce

Now, allowing DNC large money contributors to stay overnight in the Lincoln bedroom doesn't sound right.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/02/25/clinton.money/
"The CNN study found 24 overnight White House guests who gave $100,000 or more to the DNC." (February 25, 1997)
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/02/25/lincoln.donors/index.html

Emile Pope

Do you see how inane your position is? trump owns mara lago which means that he personally profits from them being there. The other presidents didn't own the property where they stayed and didn't profit from them being there. I hope that you're kidding with this specious argument...

Emile Pope

Each time donald goes to mara lago it costs the government 3.4 million dollars. He's gone 174 times so far...

https://trumpgolfcount.com/

Emile Pope

Do the Clintons own the DNC?

Carlos Ponce

Bill Clinton benefited from those DNC contributions in his 1996 presidential campaign and got re-elected. Hillary had the DNC pay for a fake dossier. So while they don't "own" the DNC per se but they sure did benefit from it.

Carlos Ponce

"Each time donald goes to mara lago it costs the government 3.4 million dollars. " FALSE.
Where did that estimate come from? According to the Chicago Tribune, "...the estimate for Trump's Mar-a-Lago trips is based on a 2013 weekend golf trip Obama took to Palm Beach."
"Obama"??????
"The GAO's bottom line for that trip, not including regular White House personnel costs as well as some classified expenses, was $3.6 million. But the author of that report, Brian Lepore, says that figure shouldn't be applied to Trump's travel."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/factcheck/ct-trump-mar-a-lago-cost-20170412-story.html
"Before Trump's Mar-a-Lago meeting last week with Chinese President Xi Jinping, the group Public Citizen blasted him for spending another 'estimated $3 million.'
Public Citizen said it is quoting the $3 million figure from Politico and CBS. CNN has also used that number. Those estimates all trace back an October 2016 report by the Government Accountability Office."
"October 2016" ....... that was BEFORE Donald Trump was elected president.
So they use a number based on Obama's travels and then apply it to Trump, not based on his actual expenditures.......STUPID!!!!

Carlos Ponce

Good thing they didn't base the cost of Trump's Mar - a - Lago trips on Obama's Hawaii trips which cost $7.8 million in in flight expenses alone. And remember, Michelle often took a separate jet.....[rolleyes]

Carlos Ponce

"trump owns mara lago which means that he personally profits from them being there."
Not Trump's decision where the Secret Service stays. To be close to the president, those in charge of Secret Service accommodations do make arrangements at Mar-a-Lago.
"The Secret Service will make every attempt to be financially cautious, but there is an operational necessity for particular people to stay in close proximity to the president 24 hours a day," said Wackrow, a CNN law enforcement analyst. "And they can't sleep in the hallway."
Can Trump allow them to stay at Mar-aLago free? No.
"But waiving all charges could create additional legal issues under rules that prohibit gifts to government agencies."
https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/12/news/secret-service-mar-a-lago/index.html
Maybe they got a group discount ![beam]

Emile Pope

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/05/691684859/government-watchdog-trumps-trips-to-florida-costing-taxpayers-millions

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/watchdog-4-trump-mar-lago-trips-cost-taxpayers-14m-n967716

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/fl-ne-mar-a-lago-costs-20190205-story.html

They're not laughing with you...

Carlos Ponce

They're laughing at Emile.
The NBC link refers to the GAO report:
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/696512.pdf
The figure arrived at includes DOD expenses, Secret Service expenses, DHS expenses, operational costs: Expenses that would be incurred no matter where the President was. It does not include the salaries of military and government personnel.
The only additional expenses were for transportation, lodging.
"$13,568 in Total travel costs".
"We identified about $60,000 in expenses paid to Mar-a-Lago for these four trips. DOD lodging expenses of about $24,000 were within GSA limits of 300 percent of the per diem rate. DHS expenses of about $36,000 were for space required by the Secret Service for operational purposes."
So the figure is accurate but misleading.

Bobby Pope

In the 60's people who went off to war were called baby killers. The war efforts since WWII have not been popular with the Left.

Gary Miller

The draft was a socialist policy. A way for government to teach subjects they were property of government. Volunteers are not government property, they are free citizens serving all other free citizens. Real hero's. A "draft dodger" is telling government I'm a free citizen and refuse to give government my life or future. I was 4 F for several reasons and never felt bad about it. McCain said he was not a war hero but used it as a political tool to get elected to a position I think he sulleyed by voting wrong most of his life. I always suspected he had been brain washed in Hanoi to be an American political disruptor. Year after year he betrayed his voters by claiming he was doing what a "war hero" must do. Good riddance John.

Jim Forsythe

United States Federal Law also provides for the compulsory conscription of men between the ages of 17 and 45 and certain women for militia service pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution and 10 U.S. Code § 246

In 1917 the administration of President Woodrow Wilson decided to rely primarily on conscription, rather than voluntary enlistment, to raise military manpower for World War I when only 73,000 volunteers enlisted out of the initial 1 million target in the first six weeks of the war
The World War I system served as a model for that of World War II. The 1940 law instituted conscription in peacetime, requiring the registration of all men between 21 and 35, with selection for one year's service by a national lottery

Between the Korean War's outbreak in June 1950 and the armistice agreement in 1953, Selective Service inducted over 1.5 million men.Another 1.3 million volunteered, usually choosing the Navy or Air Force.Congress passed the Universal Military Training and Service Act in 1951 to meet the demands of the war

Jack Reeves

I enlisted during the Vietnam Era. By God's Grace, I never set foot in that country. I stayed in the Reserves and got put back on active duty a couple of times but, I don't begrudge anyone who didn't volunteer, qualify or serve. That's life. I have no regrets about my time in The ARMY or The Air Force. I Thank You all for allowing me to be of service but, I can say this; treatment of Veteran's at V.A. Clinics has improved by 150% since President Trump took over. If a G.I. gets mistreated or disrespected by a V.A. employee , she or he now has a voice. Under the previous administration, we were kept waiting for hours or days, disrespected or verbally abused by V.A. employees. If President Trump staying home from the military was the price that we pay for the improvements that I have personally seen, then his deferment was to the benefit thousands of military men and women.

Emile Pope

Simply made up...

Bailey Jones

Thank you for your service. I'm glad your experience with the VA has been a good one. Veterans deserve all that the government can do for them.

Gary Miller

Well said Jack.

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