I will never spend a dime of my money on anything promoting or representing the NFL, whose players have the audacity to not stand in respect of the national anthem of America.

An America in which I lived a year in Vietnam as the “bombs were bursting in air,” while I as a medic watched and held soldiers in my arms as they breathed their last breath, so these athletes can make boatloads of money playing a game in a country represented by thousands of gallant soldiers, who proudly stood while this same anthem was playing gave their lives for these unappreciative losers to receive their atrocious amounts of American money.

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Charles Douglas

Well done Mr. Sartor, Well done! Untill the day you die ..you can always feel good about your standing up for a nation worth standing up for! You and I ..made it back, but so many we knew, who we served with, laughed with, shared our packages from home with, didn't make it back,.... but did make it home! God bless you brother, glad you got back home to your family!

Gary Miller

Charles> Thank you for saying it better than i could. Being overpaid hasn't kept those NFL turncoats from being among Americas wasted.

Carlos Ponce

The tail is wagging the dog in today's NFL.

Don Schlessinger

[thumbup]

Ted Gillis

How does NFL players not standing for an anthem (or a prayer for that matter) have anything to do with your service in Vietnam? This is important to them. Why don't "you" try showing a little respect for "them" instead of it having to be the other way around.

Carlos Ponce

Ted, NFL players get their pay from gate receipts, sale of NFL merchandise and broadcast rights. The majority of football fans don't like it and will not view and buy. Is Ted Gillis going to make up the difference? Remember how ticket sales fell after this display started? Broadcasters cut out the kneeling by cutting out the National anthem. But with these "added" attention getters scattered throughout the game.....[angry]

Kim Baldwin

He fought for his LIFE, with bullets being fired at him, in service to his country. Have they put their very lives on the line for nest to no money at all? Ah, NO!

Gary Miller

Ted> They deserve no respect.

Bailey Jones

If I believed for an instant that the intent of the NFL players protest was to insinuate that our veterans were losers and suckers, I'd be with you. But their protest is about police brutality. Perhaps you can find someone else to boycott - someone who has actually publicly denigrated the service of an American Vietnam hero.

Raymond Lewis

Mic drop Mr. Jones.

Carlos Ponce

"But their protest is about police brutality." Is it? That flag, anthem don't just represent the police, Bailey. When I see the American flag I think about my dad's flag draped coffin, the flag he held deep respect for even though he was not born in this country. At public events when the pledge was recited and the anthem played he made certain each of us showed proper respect.

Jim Forsythe

January 3, 2020

The NFL completely dominated TV . The league accounted for 47 of the top 50 most-watched shows on TV this season (2029-2020), including the entire top 10. NBC's "Sunday Night Football" averaged 20 million viewers and is on pace to be TV's No. 1 show in prime time for the ninth consecutive year, according to the network.

Revenue by sport in 2019. Number one in the world was the NFL at 11,394 Billion, number two was Major League Baseball at 9,780 Billion.

Revenue has increase since the knelling started. It to be seen what revenue will look like in 2020.

The practice of using the national anthem as a stage for political and social protest is far from new. Long before kneeling, or “taking a knee” replaced it, simply refusing to stand during the national anthem became a common manner of protesting against the military draft during World War I. In the years before World War II, refusal to stand for the anthem was used as a protest to the growth of dangerously aggressive nationalism. Even then, the act was highly controversial, often resulting in violence. While no law has ever required it, the tradition of performing the national anthem before sporting events began during World War II.

Carlos Ponce

2019 -I understand kneeling players were not shown on broadcasts. Go to the dates when they were shown.

Jim Forsythe

Let me edit my post as my numbers were wrong.

For the 2019 regular season as a whole, which runs from Sept. 5 through Dec. 29, NFL TV networks pulled in nearly $5 billion in advertising revenue, a 14 percent uptick from last season. That is just for that part of the year.

The NFL made roughly $16 billion in revenue 2019.

NFL earned around $15 billion during the 2018 season. This is up from estimates of $14.2 billion in 2017 and $13.3 billion in 2016.

I looked back to 2001 and each year the revenue was up from the year before.

The other part is the gambling which pulls in many Billions in the USA.

Charles Douglas

Mr. PONCE! Don't you dare drop your Mic! NAW! You hold on to your Mic sir, because you got a way of getting to the truth, and letting it flow all over this place! It is easy for these spoiled overpaid men to throw a tantrum, by showboating & taking a knee while the flag which thousands of brave Americans gave their lives fighting for ....is being raised or displayed. The reason is these PROTESTERS stand to lose nothing, while gaining notoriety! If they want to protest police brutality they should go to the nearest police station and register a complaint, or take a Knee in the middle of the streets, stopping traffic with news cameras rolling. You don't disrespect dead, heroic military men and women whose spilled blood is represented and honored by that flag while the anthem is being played! Second to that are the living military men, and women who are serving under that flag NOW... In far off places risking their lives for this nation and its citizens while these overpaid protesters take a knee disrespecting them!

Third, is the disrespect displayed to those who HAVE served under our flag, VETERANS, who have lost eyes, legs, and arms, memories, and many confined to wheelers for the rest of their lives! Sadly, all this means nothing to the selfish, overpaid protesters whose only remedy to their problem is to take a.knee, ..in public gathering, limelight reaping recognition to themselves at the expense of the dead, maimed, and those who served and have served this nation!

Thomas Carpenter

Money can't buy this kind of publicity: "Jennifer Griffin defended by Fox News colleagues after Trump Twitter attack over confirmation of Atlantic reporting". You know, the reporting that uncovered Trump's total disrespect for our, according to Cadet Bonespurs, "losers" and "suckers", aka armed forces. Bunker Boy piled on, as usual.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

Wow! On top of a crashed economy, an impotent pandemic response that has killed more than 185,000 Americans, rerunning Nixon's old call for "Law and Order" solutions to systemic racism, Cadet Bonespurs, a draft-dodger (ask his sister) who paid to have someone take his SATs, has the hubris to demean the soldiers who gave their lives and those who serve their country and enabled that obese buffoon to be elected and sit in the White House suggesting Americans drink bleach while he participates in secret bromance chats with Putin.

The Military Times this week said a poll of service members in late July and early August showed support slipping for Trump. Nearly half of those polled had an unfavorable view of Trump.

Looks like the military is taking a knee on this one!

Mike Zeller

Mr Douglas says "You don't disrespect dead, heroic military men and women whose spilled blood is represented and honored by that flag while the anthem is being played!" I agree, (and if it turns out to be true) you don't call them "Losers and Suckers" when your the Commander in Chief. [censored]

Bailey Jones

"I like people who weren’t captured.”

Mike Zeller

President George H.W.Bush was a "loser" for being shot down by the Japanese.

Carlos Ponce

So Bailey likes people that weren't captured. That's good. I like people that weren't captured, also. My dad was in the US Navy during WWII and he was not captured. That statement does not mean I dislike people who were captured. I like them too. My doctor, Dr Sarwold of Galveston (may he rest in peace) was captured and tortured by the Japanese.

Carlos Ponce

Mike, Lt. Bush was shot down but recovered by the submarine USS Finback. That doesn't make him a "loser". He got his revenge when as president he threw up on Japanese Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa.

Bailey Jones

Best read in a Tom Hanks voice:

"I am a veteran. I volunteered for military service during wartime. So did my father. His generation saved the world from fascism. In our travels, my wife Lorrie and I have always made it a point to visit military bases, hospitals and cemeteries, to meet and honor those who serve and have served our nation.

I have long known that serving a cause greater than oneself is the highest calling, whether in the military or in civilian life. And I have always tried to be a voice of reason and to speak in a measured way. But this situation calls for a much more direct approach. It is time to call out egregious behavior for what it is.

For the first time in American history, a president has repeatedly shown utter and vulgar contempt and disrespect for those who have served and died serving our country. While I am not surprised, I am disgusted by the current occupant of the Oval Office. He has repeatedly and consistently shown himself to be completely unfit for and to have no respect for the office he holds. He took an oath of office that is similar to the one that each person takes who enters the U.S. Military. But he has completely failed to uphold his oath.

Now we know why. He has admitted that he cannot comprehend the concept of service above self. He cannot understand selflessness because he is selfish. He cannot conceive of courage because he is a coward. He cannot feel duty because he is disloyal. We owe it not only to those who have served and sacrificed for our nation, but to ourselves and to succeeding generations to vote him out." - Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger

Carlos Ponce

Atlantic Magazine claimed Trump called soldiers "Losers and Suckers" based on anonymous sources but everyone with the President including John Bolton said he did not. Only a complete fool would believe unsubstantiated claims.

Charles Douglas

Stormy Daniels ?

Russian Hoax ?

Ukraine Sham?

Impeachment Fraud ?

Losers and Suckers - kitchen. Sink ?

_______________________?

Note** Anybody else want to try before November 3rd? Ahhh come on! Y'all Have tried everything else.....might as well give it a twerl Won't do you no good but at least when all the LIBERALS are crying in November and shaking their fists at GOD, or sucking their thumb rocking themselves in a fetal position, YOU can take solace in that you TRIED!

[smile]

Thomas Carpenter

Check out Fox News, Mr. Ponce. They are your fools.

Carlos Ponce

I don't know what Thomas Carpenter refers to. FOX News confirms part of the Atlantic Magazine's story but NOT the part where Trump is supposed to say, " losers and suckers" in reference to those in the cemeteries in France. And they report John Bolton's denial it was said.

Charles Douglas

Come on Mr. Jones! What can FORREST GUMP tell anybody! I will match SHADOW BOXES containing Medals for Military Service to this country any day of the week with Tom Thanks! Yeah he has more money, but is that really a qualifier for truth, and love of country? If so then Trump's word should be accepted over his, because Trump is a billionaire! Now also, in this country a man is innocent until proven guilty... last I checked. All the proof the desperate LEFT has is some enemy of Trump, who is afraid and scared to come out and show his face to spread the lies he wants the world to believe! Well it will not work, and I will tell you why: PROVERBS 19:5 " A false witness shall not go unpunished, and he HE WHO SEPEAKETH LIES SHALL NOT EXCAPE!" Lets see how effective these lies turn out to be!

Thomas Carpenter

Well, I'm going back to assisting teenagers to register to vote, more than 116 so far this year and nary a Trump supporter among them. They heard Bunker Boy call the veterans "Losers" and most of them didn't care much for the children in cages either. I know they're excited about casting their first vote in a presidential contest. Those young adults "trump" all the votes of the conservative commentators who express their opinions in this section. That's my good deed for the day.

Carlos Ponce

Did Thomas Carpenter bask them if they heard Kamala Harris call 18 to 24 year olds "stupid"? Don't worry, they'll hear it.

Thomas Carpenter

Mr. Ponce, your vote has been nullified by a 22-year old transgender female.

Carlos Ponce

Not to worry, Thomas. Trump voters still outnumber Bidens.And ALL Democrat votes will be nullified when ALL Texas' Electoral votes go for Trump!

(November 4th - Thomas Carpenter - "Hold the vote count! I just found 3 million Biden ballots in the trunk of my car!"

Gary Scoggin

Disrespecting the flag is bad. Disrespecting our military is worse. Disrespecting our Constitution is worst of all.

Charles Douglas

"OG" My sentiments exactly! [thumbup][thumbup]

Carlos Ponce

"Disrespecting the flag is bad. Disrespecting our military is worse. Disrespecting our Constitution is worst of all." No problem with that, Gary.

David Shea

[thumbup]

Robert Braeking

Since the DAA of 2009 veterans have been authorized to salute the National Anthem or The Flag when passing in parade, and whenever a salute is appropriate at a funeral. My friend and mentor who passed away recently had numerous veterans in attendance at his funeral. We all saluted when appropriate.

I only take a knee for one man. He died on the cross.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Braeking> Well said! [thumbup][thumbup]

Dan Freeman

Jennifer Griffin, a national security correspondent for Fox News, said in a lengthy Twitter thread that former Trump administration officials confirmed the president's remarks to her. https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-correspondent-confirms-trump-said-dead-us-troops-losers-2020-9

Trump "called for a Fox News journalist who reported details of the scandal to be fired."https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/trump-fox-news-journalist-jennifer-griffin-soldiers-losers

Charles Douglas

I don't blame Trump! To me FOX News is closing in on CNN for being a pathetic Network! I see more individuals lying out the back of their necks on FOX now, than Don Lemon and that white haired Anderson guy do on CNN! LETS FACE IT! The days of LIGITIMATE News is getting down to be not! No more Walter Cronkites to be had! Oh yeah ...I forgot to include Laura Ingraham in with HANNITY'NEM. She is one of the good ones. We have everything from News Creations to News censorship going on now with the FAKE MEDIA, which includes Facebook, Google, and Twitter! They are all DNC & CHINA SUROGATES! Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, those on The Five other than Juan Williams, are the only Old Fashion Real News people left!

Carlos Ponce

Not quite, Dan.

Jennifer Griffin said she could not confirm that part of the Atlantic report, which claimed that Trump had called World War I solders buried at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris “losers” and “suckers.”

And there are 10 named sources including John Bolton who dispute claims made by the four anonymous sources.

And get this, they want to preserve anonymity because of a fear of "angry tweets" according to Atlantics editor Jeffrey Goldberg. Really?

And did you notice that within hours of the release, Joe Biden had a commercial out with the caveat "if true". They know it's a lie.

I feel sorry for Dan Freeman. If it wasn't for FAKE NEWS, he wouldn't have any news.[innocent]

Question for Dan Freeman: Would an "angry tweet" devastate you?

Jim Forsythe

While running his presidential campaign in 2015, Trump said that the late Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — who was known as one of the few prominent Republicans vehemently critical of Trump and spent more than five years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese — is “not a war hero” and that he “likes people who weren’t captured.”

Carlos Ponce

"likes people who weren’t captured.” Sooooo....Jim doesn't like people who weren't captured?

Ben Domenech (John McCain's son-in-law, husband of Megan McCain) said the family knew of the animosity between John McCain and Trump which ran BOTH ways. Domenech blames the media for constantly dredging it up. Looks like he can add Jim Forsythe to that list.

Jim Forsythe

Trump said that he likes people who weren’t captured ,not Jim.

Trump said, John McCain is “not a war hero”, not Jim.

Carlos Ponce

I like people who weren't captured either. My dad served in the US Navy in WWII. He was not captured. I know a lot of veterans who were not captured while serving in war zones. I like them too. Why is Jim hating on people who were not captured?

Jim, do you like them or not?

John McCain was awarded medals, how many were for HEROISM? If the US Navy recognized him as a HERO they would give him that medal.

Jim Forsythe

Trump said that he likes people who weren’t captured ,not Jim.

Trump said, John McCain is “not a war hero”, not Jim.

Carlos Ponce

What does Jim hate about people that were not captured? Why don't you like them? I do. Trump does.

Does the US Navy recognize John McCain as a War hero? He was awarded medals. Any of them for heroic action?

Charles Douglas

I use to think Wolf Blitzer and that Lawyer pundit on CNN WALKED on water until I found out they were both political hacks and News Hit Men ..parroting DNC negatives and talking points! I quit watching CNN because of IT! The worst of them is DON LEMON, HE is ..........I don't want to say it.

Thomas Carpenter

“Wait for it mates … wait for it. He breaches! Thar’ he blows!” … if I may paraphrase Melville. You remind me of Moby Dick, Mr. Ponce. The great white that surfaces periodically to shower spume and spray from its blow hole until the great white slips beneath the waves, only to breach again and again and again ad nausea.

Old white people aren’t the only folks who read the GDN. When a few of the young adults filled out their voter registration forms, one group laughed about which of the conservative commentators in the GDN Opinion Section their vote would nullify, and they decided to each choose a contributor. Your name came up so often I wanted to buy you a trophy, Mr. Ponce. (By the way, they also commented about your failure to comprehend what you read.) The argument for the honor was settled in dramatic fashion,

A few of the young men wanted to throw sand dollars in the air and shoot them, but no one had a gun, so they played a knock-down, drag-out battle of rock-paper-scissors to see who got to nullify your vote. You should have seen it Mr. Ponce, you’re such an inspiration to these young adults!

The battles raged until it came down to a 26-year old trans-gender female, voting for the first time, and a nineteen-year old black male attending a local college, also voting for the first time. The runner-up, of course, gets to nullify Mr. Miller’s vote, his dogged doggerels earning him a distant second place. So, those are the voters who will cast the ballot that makes your vote, and Mr. Miller’s, of no consequence in this next election.

It wasn’t so much the politics, Mr. Ponce. These young adults think you and Bunker Boy are bullies and they chose to confront the bullies at the ballot box. When you vote, Mr. Ponce, I bet you’ll be thinking about these teenagers who gave you ED, Election Dysfunction.

Carlos Ponce

Bunker Boy Biden who spent months in his basement.

Statistics show young people register .....but don't vote. If they did it would make no difference if they vote Democrat.

Jim Forsythe

Youth voter turnout in 2016 presidential election in the United States, 46.1% (ages between 18 and 29).

With many student studying at home, this could be a year of record youth turn out.

Also strong feeling for and against candidates', will also contribute to record turnout for all ages.

Carlos Ponce

"In 2016, this was once again the case, as citizens 65 years and older reported higher turnout (70.9 percent) than 45- to 64-year-olds (66.6 percent), 30- to 44-year-olds (58.7 percent) and 18- to 29-year-olds (46.1 percent).

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2017/05/voting_in_america.html

If trends continue.......

Gary Miller

McCain hid in a prison while others fought and died. For him his life was worth more than honor. He preserved his life but destroyed his honor.

Jim Forsythe

Prisoners of war are hiding out?

No one went to the "Hanoi Hilton" to hide out!

Robert Braeking

All this 'fake news' is easily identified. If it is attributed to 'anonymous sources' you can bet your last dollar that it is a fermentation in the mind of the 'newsman'.

Regardless, McCain's service does not excuse his lack thereof during his political career.

Jim Forsythe

Robert. you may not agree with Senator McCain's voting record, but he voted the way the people in Arizona wanted him to. Just as you may not agree with AOC, Lindsey Graham and others, they are voting the way their people want them to.

Did you vote for Senator McCain when he ran for President?

Summary of voting record: Senator McCain opposed taxing businesses in politics, disaster relief, funding education, environmental protection, gun control, hawkish foreign policy, public health, foreign and humanitarian aid, humane immigration policy, labor rights and wages, lgbt rights, taxing the middle class, internet freedom, poverty amelioration, increasing revenues, taxing the wealthy, a robust safety net and supports big business, financial sector regulation, military spending, domestic surveillance .

As far as 'anonymous sources, do you remember, "Former FBI deputy director William Mark Felt broke his 30-year silence and confirmed in 2005 that he was “Deep Throat,” the anonymous government source who helped take down President Nixon "

Carlos Ponce

" but he voted the way the people in Arizona wanted him to. " Incorrect, Jim. Most of Arizona wanted him to vote for the new health care plan as he promised during his previous election.

Jim Forsythe

Was that the only thing they were mad about?

Jim Forsythe

Arizonans strongly oppose Republican health care agenda across the board.

Washington, DC – Ahead of tonight’s debate between U.S. Representatives Kyrsten Sinema (D) and Martha McSally (R) in Phoenix, Arizona, a new poll from Public Policy Polling (PPP) for Protect Our Care is the latest to show health care is a top issue for voters. Building upon today’s bombshell AP story about the heat McSally is getting on the campaign trail for her votes to repeal health care and gut pre-existing conditions protections, the poll also shows that Arizonans strongly oppose Republican health care agenda across the board. Brad Woodhouse, executive director of Protect Our Care, issued the following statement ahead of the debate:

Forty percent of voters say health care is very important when deciding who to vote for in the US Senate election

Sixty-six percent of voters have a “major concern” with efforts to eliminate protections for people who have pre-existing medical conditions.

Forty-seven percent of women say health care is very important when deciding who to vote for in the US Senate election

Sixty-four percent of women and fifty-four percent of men say they want to keep what works and fix what doesn’t in the health care law

Fifty percent of voters oppose Republican efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act

Sixty-three percent of voters have a “major concern” with Martha McSally’s support for repealing the Affordable Care Act

Fifty-nine percent of voters oppose the Trump’s Administration’s lawsuit strike down the healthcare law’s protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

Carlos Ponce

There he goes again! Jim believes those worthless polls. Won't he ever learn?

Bailey Jones

And it's perfectly acceptable to criticize his politics, or his record as senator. But Trump denigrated his military service and his enormous sacrifice as a POW - that used to be something that patriots didn't do, and Republicans didn't stand for.

Ted Gillis

I just want to know were Carlos got his Hair Splitting machine? That one sharp instrument you got there.

Carlos Ponce

No hair splitting, Ted, just facts.

George Caros

So trump has saud repeatedly that American soldiers that were prisoners in the Vietnam War or losers. I guess all trumpkins support that statement.

Carlos Ponce

" So trump has saud repeatedly that American soldiers that were prisoners in the Vietnam War or losers." No George he did not. He exchanged insults with John McCain but as McCain's family says it was a two way street.

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