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Carlos Ponce

More unsubstantiated Liberal Group Think.

Charles Douglas

Where was the author of this Op-ed when Shiffty Schiff, Comey, McCabe, the Love Birds, and others were having a field day LYING, Fabricating evidence, presenting doctored documents to the FISA Court in an effort to Railroad Trump out of office? They spent over forty million dollars and four years harrassing, vilifying, and excoriating the President of the United States, and he still managed to do a better job than any who came before him, and very likely ....better than any coming AFTER him as well! Now here this author is, bathing in deceptive unfounded, unproven rhetoric, hoping that the uninformed will buy what he has concocted.

Gary Miller

Charles. Saying it true again.

David Alquest

lib’er-al, I.a 1. Possessing or

manifesting a free and generous heart;

bountiful. 2. Appropriate and/or fitting

for a broad and enlightened mind. 3. Free

from narrowness, bigotry or bondage to

authority or creed. II.n 1. Any person

who advocates liberty of thought, speech

or action. (Webster’s Dictionary)

Carlos Ponce

That's the definition for "liberal" with a lower class "l".

Different definition for "Liberal" with a capital "L". "A liberal, in the American sense, is one who falls to the left in the political spectrum."

David Alquest

I don't think The Daily News should have published Gary Miller's letter. His opinions were presented as facts, and he, like Trump, wrote to stir up radical hatred. Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and others have taken the steps to get these conspiracy makers away from their media.

Carlos Ponce

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Stifling free speech is fascist .

Wayne D Holt

For those, like Mr. Alquest, who believe Trump fanatics made up the entire narrative that the election was stolen, it may--or as Bailey likes to say, probably won't--help to review the carefully researched work contained in Peter Navarro's three volume investigation of this election.

What you will see explained in the 14 pages of Vol. 3 are the myriad ways that laws were broken, ignored, bent and tortured in other ways to bring about the desired end. Far from being a dreamscape of fascist fantasy, it provides chapter and verse on the modus operandi of how to steal a national election. Against all the odds, the irregularities benefited only the Biden column...mirabile dictu. https://tinyurl.com/NRSTS

Bailey Jones

Collecting all the allegations together in a book doesn't affect their veracity. But I'm sure the DOJ appreciated the opportunity to reject them in bulk. Seriously - where is any finding by the DOJ based on anything in this report that puts the results of any state in doubt? I mean, you would agree that good evidence would result in such a finding, right? (As opposed to what we got - which was the resignation of the Attorney General.)

I wish you well in your quest Wayne. If ANYTHING ever comes of it be sure to let me know.

David Hardee

Seems Bailey embraces those authors that produce theorems that will lead to the Orwellian society. But an investigative report is beyond credibility, or should at least be questionable if Bailey can find or conjure an incident that is irrelevant and tangent to the used for distraction. The election PROCESS was NOT extremely peculiar. you say, Bailey, right?

Did the Russians and Trump conspire? Did the swing states modify the PROCESS?

Tell us which over time has been exposed by revealing the facts, Bailey. Time has a way of both stifling and eventually revealing the truth - or rush to judgement is a fools refuge, temporarily.

Bailey Jones

Yes, David, I'm a big fan of investigation and adjudication. Did the Russians and Trump conspire? From the investigative reports I've read, no, not really. Did some states change their rules to allow for more people to vote by mail in the middle of a pandemic? Yes, they did. Did changing those rules steal the election? That's an allegation that needs to be proven in a court of law. If it is ever proven, I'll believe it. Until then, I won't. Why would I? Why would you?

BTW - my favorite author is Simon Winchester. Quite the radical, that one.

David Hardee

Bailey, I totally agree with you. It is that media quick to pollute the public with hyperbole that creates all our conflicts and trauma. Thanks for the reply that makes us in concert. We are struggling for the same tranquility, just an ideological conception of what serves humanity best keeps us in contention and allows the media to keep the attack from their door. If we joined an attack on them (media) that would serve us and humanity beyond anyone's expectations.

Any suggestions, Bailey?

Carlos Ponce

Bailey posts, "Did the Russians and Trump conspire? From the investigative reports I've read, no, not really."

But it's sad it took you so long to realize that. But there are still Liberal Pundits in this forum who still adhere to FAKE NEWS.

Bailey Jones

David, all any of us can do - and it's also the least we can do, and what we all must do - is to be critical thinkers. If someone gives a quote to make a point, look it up and see what the context is. If a video shows a snippet of a speech, watch the whole thing and see what the speech is really about. If someone quotes an article, or a poll, or a document - look it up and see what it really says. If an article references reporting in another article, find and read the original. 90% of what comes your way can be easily proved true or false.

Understand that words are not facts and that we have ways of determining what is fact and what isn't. In science, we have peer reviews of research, and if you claim to have done an amazing experiment you can be sure that others will repeat it and they'd better get the same results. In crime, we have forensics experts. In law, we have courts and judges. In history, we have contemporaneous source materials. Get familiar with the various types of logical fallacies and how to recognize them. Don't be a tool or a fool.

Then hold the sources accountable. I don't follow Glenn Beck because 10 years ago (before he got kicked off Fox) he showed 20 seconds of an Obama speech and spent a week explaining how it proved that Obama was raising a secret army to round up conservatives. (The speech was about funding the Peace Corps.) I don't follow Rush Limbaugh because I found that he often quotes news articles out of context and lies outright. CNN keeps repeating the "fine people on both sides" remark as praising Nazis - and I don't believe the video of the press conference supports that. I don't follow talking heads like Hannity (either on the left or the right) because so much of what they say is unsubstantiated opinion. It's the same reason why I reject political labels, much preferring to discuss policy and principle. Finally, seek out people who hold contrary beliefs and listen to their arguments, fact check their sources, see if their logic is solid.

But most importantly - you must be able to admit that you are wrong.

Charles Douglas

Who have been elected the official " Fact Checkers " on this forum? I must have missed that one.

Bailey Jones

Everyone here should be a fact-checker, Charles.

James C.

When votes cannot be verified then you cannot prove anything about the election. That is what the mail-in ballots were designed to do.

Ted Gillis

Mail-in ballots were designed to allow people to vote by mail. Saying otherwise is just conjecture.

Thomas Carpenter

The fascists who have gloried in the racism and incompetence of their leaders during the past four years see their white power and privilege slipping away, and it's pure agony for their splintered psyches. They scream capitalism, but when a private company jerks the platform of one Traitorous Cadet Bonespurs their cries change to First Amendment rights, conveniently forgetting a private company has the right to kick out any racist, insurrectionist rant. I wonder how many of them will turn down the government's free vaccine or send back their stimulus checks? Their repetitive dogma mimics their feckless grafter, the only president to be impeached twice, a persona non grata in the Western capitals ... and how appropriate that his buddy Kim Jung-un shows the world the ballistic missile they produced while Bunker Boy was, well, hiding in his bunker looking in a mirror. The Biden Administration stands ready with skilled personnel to pick up the baton Porno Boy threw into the brambles. Weber should resign.

Carlos Ponce

More Liberal Group Think propaganda.[yawn]

Charles Douglas

Mr. Carpenter, I'm glad you brought up that little $1200 bribe they sent me some time ago, thank you! I started to send it back, but hungry mothers and kids living under trees in NICARAGUA could use it more than Joe China! So I sent it to them through my church missionaries instead. Now question for you! It won't be hard. What do you think I will do with that $600.00 check and that $1,400 check they SAY they will send Me? Where do you think those will go?

You were RIGHT ....to the mission fields! I took care of my "Biz-ness" my fellow Vet! I don't need Joe China's bribes! Hey! Dont blame me, you wondered ....so I'm just telling you! Lastly, that shot or free shot as you say. I will take it if they give me one, if not ..I DONT CARE! Know why? I will tell you why. I live by FAITH and not by FEAR! ( "..The Just shall live by his faith. ..Habakkuk 2:4 ). Just so you know I also support missionaries in Africa, Kenya and places like that! I'm just starting to support the Galveston County Food Pantry in Texas City too ..thank to "OG" telling me where it was! If I can help people over Yonder, I can do nobless than help our people "Right Here." I would not have gotten into this if.you had not asked! You ask good questions my friend!

Bailey Jones

"American Thinker and contributors Andrea Widburg, R.D. Wedge, Brian Tomlinson, and Peggy Ryan have published pieces on www.AmericanThinker.com that falsely accuse US Dominion Inc., Dominion Voting Systems, Inc., and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (collectively “Dominion”) of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump. These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominion’s supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominion’s machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently.

"These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims.

"It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning 9 journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error. "

-American Thinker Magazine (looking down the barrel of a zillion dollar libel suit)

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