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Carlos Ponce

There will be a loss of 11,000 jobs, 8000 of them are Union. That Union supported Biden in the last election cycle.

Gary Miller

4,000 rail cars, 8,000 tank trucks a day are delivering the oil already. Warren Buffet has financed much of the opposition to the pipeline because he earns millions a day from leasing his rail cars and trucks delivering the 830,000 barrels of oil worth $44 million a day.

Gary Miller

4,000 rail cars and 8,000 tank trucks a day creates many times more pollution than a pipeline.

Gary Scoggin

withiut a doubt, the rail car method is much dirtier. I think most of thee rail traffic is to refineries on the Pacific NW and on the east cost. Mainly northern tier US. There may be some coming to the Gulf Coast, I don't know.

Ted Gillis

This is one thing I would tend to agree with you on Carlos. I support private industry building pipelines, so long as all property owners are compensated fairly (no strong arming or using local and state politicians to pressure landowners) and all environmental regulations are followed (no exceptions or variances). If the venture is a financial failure, then that is on the individual companies and their stockholders, not the public taxpayer. That should be their risk, not ours.

Yes, it’s unfortunate that potential jobs (union jobs) will be eliminated. Hopefully other infrastructure projects will take their place.

Carlos Ponce

You sound like the former mayor who looks like Alfred E. Newman. He told Senator Ted Cruz that it was no big deal they were out of a job, they could get another one. In other words, "TOUGH LUCK!"

Jim Forsythe

Ted, Gary Scoggin and I had a discussion about the XL pipeline at Rep. Weber should resign for supporting Trump's coup, GDN. What we posted about the XL pipeline and is at the bottom of the page of post. I see no reason to repost the many post . If you are interested in the point of view of people that worked in the industry, you may find it interesting. If you have other questions then what was posted, please ask.

Ted, most of the jobs were temporary. Yes, other projects took the place of those jobs. As I outline in the other column, Texas is coming online with several pipelines .

Some people may not realize that the only part of the XL pipeline is not completed, is Phase 4. Phase 1, 2, 3,a and 3b are complete.

Below outlines Phase 4.

Phase 4. The proposed Keystone XL pipeline starts from the same area in Alberta, Canada, as the Phase 1 pipeline. The Canadian section would consist of 526 kilometers (327 mi) of new pipeline. It would enter the United States at Morgan, Montana, and travel through Baker, Montana, where American-produced oil would be added to the pipeline; then it would travel through South Dakota and Nebraska, where it would join the existing Keystone pipelines at Steele City, Nebraska. This phase has generated the greatest controversy because of its routing over the Sandhills in Nebraska.

The other phases are in use and making a profit. TC Energy owns 15,931 km (9900 miles) of pipelines in Canada, the United States, and Mexico.

By 2019, TC Energy was delivering over 2 billion barrels (320 million cubic meters) through their 4,900-kilometre-long (3,000 mi) liquids pipeline system which connects oil producers with refineries and markets. The Keystone Pipeline System "delivers approximately 20 per cent of western Canadian exports to the U.S. Midwest and Gulf Coast".

Revenue from TC Energy's 4,900-kilometre-long (3,000 mi) liquids pipeline system was US$2,879 million in 2019, up from US$2,584 million in 2018. As of December 2019, their Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization

in their liquids pipeline system alone was US$2,192 million up from to US$1,849 million in 2018. The estimated cost of Keystone XL3 was US$8 billion by December 2019, with a carrying value on December 31, 2019 of US$1.1 billion; for Heartland and TC Terminals, it was US$0.9 billion with a carrying value of US$0.1 billion; for Grand Rapids Phase II4, it was US$0.7 billion; and for Keystone Hardisty Terminal, it was US$0.3 billion with a carrying value of US$0.1 billion.

Carlos Ponce

There was NO Trump Coup, Jim. The culprits had this planned for months circulated on Facebook and Twitter. But neither blocked those postings.[rolleyes]

None was posted on Parler.

Timeline:

9:33 AM NPR posts "Trump Supporters Storm U.S. Capitol, Clash with Police"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/09/fact-check-npr-posted-story-early-updated-live-amid-capitol-riot/6599890002/

11:37 am Those who would later rioted assemble at the Capitol. Some identified by NYT as Proud Boys. They really don't know.

12:03 pm President Trump begins speech

12:53 pm "Rioters violently overwhelm the police and breach the Capitol’s outermost barricade. They break through three more barriers, forcing officers back to the Capitol steps, where they now face off"

1:03 pm Pelosi opens joint session of Congress

1:12 pm President Trump ends speech.

1:12 pm Ted Cruz challenges Arizona electors.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/15/us/trump-capitol-riot-timeline.html

To call this "Trump's coup" ignores the timeline because it does not fit that false scenario.

Jim Forsythe

What does that have to do with XL pipeline

Carlos Ponce

Jim Forsythe Jan 23, 2021 9:11am

"Ted, Gary Scoggin and I had a discussion about the XL pipeline at Rep. Weber should resign for supporting Trump's coup"

It was Jim Forsythe who brought it up in this forum.

Jim Forsythe

I check all 19 post, and the only one that said anything about a Trump Coup, was your post. I did provide another place to read about the XL pipeline but I did not post about Trumps Coup. Everyone else is talking about the XL pipeline, and you bring up Trumps Coup. You will get enough time to talk about Trumps Coup attempt when the Senate takes up Impeachment charges and what to do about Trumps Coup attempt. If you want to talk about Trumps Coup attempt, please do it some where else. Rep. Weber should resign for supporting Trump's coup is the place to take, Trumps Coup attempt talk.

When are you going to pay up.

Carlos Ponce

Here's your entire post. It's just a few above this one:

Jim Forsythe Jan 23, 2021 9:11am

Ted, Gary Scoggin and I had a discussion about the XL pipeline at Rep. Weber should resign for supporting Trump's coup, GDN. What we posted about the XL pipeline and is at the bottom of the page of post. I see no reason to repost the many post . If you are interested in the point of view of people that worked in the industry, you may find it interesting. If you have other questions then what was posted, please ask.

Ted, most of the jobs were temporary. Yes, other projects took the place of those jobs. As I outline in the other column, Texas is coming online with several pipelines .

Some people may not realize that the only part of the XL pipeline is not completed, is Phase 4. Phase 1, 2, 3,a and 3b are complete.

Below outlines Phase 4.

Phase 4. The proposed Keystone XL pipeline starts from the same area in Alberta, Canada, as the Phase 1 pipeline. The Canadian section would consist of 526 kilometers (327 mi) of new pipeline. It would enter the United States at Morgan, Montana, and travel through Baker, Montana, where American-produced oil would be added to the pipeline; then it would travel through South Dakota and Nebraska, where it would join the existing Keystone pipelines at Steele City, Nebraska. This phase has generated the greatest controversy because of its routing over the Sandhills in Nebraska.

The other phases are in use and making a profit. TC Energy owns 15,931 km (9900 miles) of pipelines in Canada, the United States, and Mexico.

By 2019, TC Energy was delivering over 2 billion barrels (320 million cubic meters) through their 4,900-kilometre-long (3,000 mi) liquids pipeline system which connects oil producers with refineries and markets. The Keystone Pipeline System "delivers approximately 20 per cent of western Canadian exports to the U.S. Midwest and Gulf Coast".

Revenue from TC Energy's 4,900-kilometre-long (3,000 mi) liquids pipeline system was US$2,879 million in 2019, up from US$2,584 million in 2018. As of December 2019, their Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization

in their liquids pipeline system alone was US$2,192 million up from to US$1,849 million in 2018. The estimated cost of Keystone XL3 was US$8 billion by December 2019, with a carrying value on December 31, 2019 of US$1.1 billion; for Heartland and TC Terminals, it was US$0.9 billion with a carrying value of US$0.1 billion; for Grand Rapids Phase II4, it was US$0.7 billion; and for Keystone Hardisty Terminal, it was US$0.3 billion with a carrying value of US$0.1 billion.

Jim Forsythe

Between Gary and I, we did not talk about Trump's coup. We posted about Xl Pipeline, under Rep. Weber should resign for supporting Trump's coup, We were not discussing, Trump's coup. We were not talking about Trump's coup attempt. Please stop talking about Trump coup attempt while we are talking about XL pipeline. If you want to talk about Trump coup attempt go to , Rep. Weber should resign for supporting Trump's coup,

Carlos Ponce

Things are looking up. Jim now admits he's the one who brought it up in this forum.

Wayne D Holt

I always want to acknowledge folks who are of such character as to say they were wrong, or the position of someone they support is wrong. We have to stop the knee jerk response to either side's icons and just look at the facts. If we can't look at facts objectively and discuss them without personal animus, we indeed are lost with no hope of redemption as a nation.

I APPRECIATE your comment and the spirit it was offered in, Ted. May we all--on either side--do the same!

Mark Haas

I support this kind of future engagement in discussions from both the left and the right. The problem Wayne is that approach is followed by one side when it is there hot button of debate on change. It then becomes N/A when addressing areas that same group supports. In fact that criteria is used just to establish the topics associated with a discussion. The nation is and will be more divided in the future.

Gary Scoggin

I think President Biden made a mistake by halting construction on Keystone XL. But not for the reasons usually listed. Actually the problem is much bigger.

I'm agnostic about the pipeline in general but what I don't like is that this move goes back to the old way of making environmental policy decisions on an ad hoc basis. That was one of the problems with the Obama Administration and we don't need to repeat those policies again today. (Paging Gina McCarthy.)

Projects like this take a decade or more to plan, execute and place into operation -- all of this before a dime of income is realized. If we want business investment in this country, the permitting process has to be consistent and predictable. Whether the process is strict or lenient, businesses need to be able to assess the risk to their investments and plan accordingly. Instead, we see this project as a political soccer ball, being kicked back and forth to score points with the base. Look at this project in particular -- it was encouraged (Bush 43), stopped (Obama), allowed (Trump) and stopped again (Biden). What kind of business wants to invest in a country where massive investments can get whipsawed around like that? Keystone XL may get the headlines but this has happened on other large projects as well.

We can have strict environmental standards - I endorse them! - but a deal is a deal and once a permit is issued and a project is green lighted, permissions shouldn't be rescinded except under the most extraordinary of circumstances. Shortening the permit timeline and making the process more predictable was one of the regulatory reforms that the previous administration got right and shouldn't be changed.

But the right reasons get lost in the rhetoric. Stopping KXL isn't a big job impactor -- there is plenty of work for pipeline welders elsewhere, for exampe. It won't raise the price of gasoline - the world is awash in crude, in fact you could make the case that there's too much of it already. But these are simple arguments that can be easily made, memed and repeated. It's the bigger picture that matters.

Regarding the climate change impacts of KXL - which in the grand scheme of things aren't that big -- this saga underscores why we need an economy wide price on carbon emissions. If the market can price in the cost of the additional emissions associated with this project, the market can decide whether or not its a good idea. And the market is the right decision maker here, not the politicians.

Gary Miller

Gary S. The Keystone XL has been objected to mostly on environmental reasons with their biggest financer being one profiting most from delivering the oil as long as the pipeline is not completed. Warren Buffet will lose millions a day when the pipeline is completed.

Gary Scoggin

The environmental opposition to these projects is not fueled by Buffet; it's part of the larger enviornmental agenda opposing climate change. It is a good rallying cry for environmental groups to raise awarenes and raise funds. Buffet's portfolio is robust enough he can afford to lose some rail traffic. (Actually I don't know if KXL will actually displace any rail cars.)

Jim Forsythe

Gary Miller

If you are in favor of the XL pipeline , you have a friend in Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett does a good job of balancing environmental issues and profits. Warren Buffett is not going to let his name be associated with large environmental issues. As I posted below , Warren Buffett and Bill Gates both wanted to have first hand knowledge so they took a trip to see an oil sand extraction project and learn about the expensive process.

In interviews, Warren Buffett said pipelines are generally the best way to transport fluid materials such as oil to be processed into fuels.

He also said in a CNBC interview in 2015 that the pipeline would be good for Canada and America, adding, “Canada’s been a terrific partner for us over the decades and it is wrong for us to thumb our nose at them.”

Berkshire owns pipelines that carry 8 percent of the nation’s natural gas flow, and in 2008 2008 Buffett and associate Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, took a trip to Alberta, Canada, to see an oil sand extraction project and learn about the expensive process.

And a Berkshire company named Liquid Power Specialty Products Inc. could sell the new pipeline its “flow improver” products, which are chemicals that help sticky materials flow through pipelines like the Keystone XL.

Carlos Ponce

Environment has nothing to do with canceling Keystone XL.

Gary Scoggin

Addressing some comments that the environment has nothing to do with KXL.

The battle to stop Canadian Heavy Crude production goes back a good fifteen years. Those opposed to it on environmental grounds have been waging a war on many fronts to stop it. The strategy is two fold: 1. Try to stop the supply, a battle being waged in Alberta. 2. Try to stop the demand, a battle being waged in the US..

The US battle against Canadian Heavy Crude has been generally waged on two fronts: Stop the refinery modifications to enable running it and stop the pipelines which transport it. This entire effort is being coordinated by the Environmental NGO community as a way to combat climate change. They also see it as a signal to other extractive industries that they will fight to the end..

The policy ramifications, as I mentioned earlier, are huge. The continued fight and the back-and-forth permissions make long-term energy investments in the US extraordinarily risky. (I once had a very senior oil exec tell me that the US has the second highest political risk to investment in the world, only behind Russia.)

The Biden administration motives for stopping this project are about policy and about giving a cookie to the environmental groups that has supported him along the way. He sees it consistent with the rest of his climate agenda (which its not) but the top of the house doesn't see the second order ramifications that this decision holds. Or maybe it does. The environmental groups certainly do; they want to make energy investments as risky as possible.

(I know a fair amount about this because I was involved first hand in similar discussions on a refinery project which was held up due to the same agenda. And Warren Buffet's rail cars had nothing to do with it. I have literally been in the room with the environmetal groups, EPA, DOJ, Politicians and God knows how many lawyers discussing this very issue. Take my experience for what you think its worth but don't dismissively reply that I don't know what i am talking about.)

This is a chess game. Some commenters here are playing Candyland.

Carlos Ponce

Follow the money Gary Scoggin.

Warren Buffett contributes to Pervert Joe Biden.

Pervert Joe Biden stops Keystone XL construction which means oil will then be transported by rail using Buffett's Burlington Northern Railway.

Question is, how many more Executive Orders are driven by political contributions?

Quid pro quo Joe strikes again!

Jim Forsythe

Sep 30, 2020: The nation’s very richest people are sitting out the presidential race. Not a single one of the 10 wealthiest people in the US — almost all of them tech billionaires — have shared who they’re voting for in November.

Gary Scoggin

The people who say this is all about money have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. And the use of juvenile nicknames indicates a third grade mentality. Likely a sign of cognitive decline.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, those type of people sometime have guilt about not paying a debt.

Carlos Ponce

Follow the $$$$$$$$$.

Gary Miller

Gary S.> Are you saying environmentalists want to stop the cleanest way of delivering energy to consumers? It is being delivered the dirty way. I also think they are that stupid.

Gary Scoggin

What I am saying is that the radical environmentalists are coming at this with a different motive. Their intent is to disable the downstream supply chain in order to make Canadian Heavy Crude production uneconomic. This is about climate issues and, to a lesser extent, forest impacts in Canada. They use US domestic issues like overstating the risk to aquifers as a means of getting support for their bigger goal. Like I said above, they are about making energy investments as risky as possible in order to discourage this type of investment. This is not, as some uniformed commenters insist about money. It's about their bigger agenda. It's a game the big environmental NGOs are quite good at.

Gary Scoggin

(And the notion that this is being driven by Warren Buffet's investment in BNSF and that this cascades to current administration policy is beyond laughable. It's absurd.)

Carlos Ponce

And the notion that this is being driven by Warren Buffet's investment in BNSF and that this cascades to current administration policy is TRUE. Follow the money, Gary Scoggin, follow the money.

Ted Gillis

Thanks, Jim that is good information, and good reading. It sounds like every one is making some money on the project so far.

And Carlos, that former mayor, (the handsome Alfred P. Newman guy) was probably being strong armed by Ted Cruz, when he made that comment.

Carlos Ponce

Ted, the video shows no strong arm tactics from Senator Ted Cruz. But there is a smug "I don't give a $#%^#" look on the ex-mayor's face.

George Laiacona

It’s easy to over estimate the amount of jobs that it take to construct a long distance pipeline especially if you have never been associated with the construction industry. If y really want to know what it takes to construct a pipeline ask the AFLCIO. They were instrumental in the construction of the Alaska pipeline back in the 70’s. You will see you numbers are far from being realistic.

Paula Flinn

Pipelines leak, often in several places. Underground they destroy huge aquifers of drinking water. If you don’t believe me, ask the people who live on or near Prudhoe Bay in Alaska.

“ In recent years, about 500 oil spills have occurred in the Prudhoe Bay oil fields and along the 800-mile pipeline each year, according to the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation, even though the daily "throughput" of oil has declined from about 2 million barrels a day in 1987 to less than half that today. Most leaks are minor, quickly detected, and remedied.”

“But in March, the largest leak in North Slope production history – as many as 267,000 gallons – poured out of a corroded pipeline at the Prudhoe Bay complex for five days before being discovered. Since then, US EPA investigators have been seeking to determine whether BP violated the federal Clean Water Act by failing to prevent corrosion in the ruptured line. If it did, criminal charges could follow.”

Carlos Ponce

The leaky pipelines you write of are older model, decades old. The Keystone Pipeline is an example of an older one to be replaced. The newer ones like Keystone XL are built better and monitored for any possible leaking.

Gary Scoggin

Pipeline leaks don’t destroy huge aquifers. There is contamination in the immediate are but a leak in the Ogallala Aquifer in Nebraska has no impact on the Ogallala Aquifer in the Texas Panhandle. In fact, think of contamination zones measured in feet, not miles. And, newer pipelines have much better corrosion and leak monitoring than the ones of yore. BTW, the Trans Alaska Pipeline isn’t the best analog for KXL. TAP is an entirely different animal.

And has been mentioned earlier,if you are going to move crude oil over land from one place to another, pipelines are definitely the safest and most environmentally sound way to do it. Trucks and rail are not even close.

Robert Braeking

Paula. Consider that rail cars derail often at bridge trestles tossing the leaking cars into the surface water contaminating a vast area. There were no less than 20 derailments in 2020 alone in the United States. 7 tank cars derailed and caught fire in Seattle on December 23. You would be amazed at the number of pipelines that are crisscrossing Galveston County without incident.

Carlos Ponce

1986

"In 1986 liquid sulfur spilled from three ruptured tank cars and a grass fire ignited after a train derailed near state Highway 6 in Freddiesville. The derailment involved 21 Santa Fe Railroad cars. About 50 firefighters battled the grass fire for several hours."

https://www.galvnews.com/history/article_6fcebe96-6cfb-5d87-a8f0-240a0483985e.html

2008

"Train with chemicals derails -SANTA FE — A handful of homes were evacuated and two-mile stretch of state Highway 6 near the Galveston County line was shutdown Saturday night after a train carrying tankers of hydrogen fluoride and other chemicals derailed."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_17cb54c0-d8d8-5b6d-a291-ebca9237525c.html

Aug 4, 2009

"Four chemical tankers jump tracks - TEXAS CITY — Four tankers containing hazardous chemicals derailed Monday in Texas City but no chemical releases or injuries were reported officials said."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_e576e936-edbb-50d2-b0e6-6ddbee378cf2.html

Aug 24, 2009

"Trail derails spills plastic pellets - ALGOA — Railroad crews worked through the night Saturday and this morning to clean up a load of plastic pellets that spilled from a Union Pacific train that derailed. Twelve of the train’s 80 cars left the tracks on a section of the line near Algoa about 3:15 p.m. on Saturday."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_ee16b9e4-359a-50cc-a0cd-5b09eb62c3bc.html

Feb 2010

"Crews work to remove 22 train cars that derailed - SANTA FE — About half of the 22 train cars that derailed last Thursday near FM 646 South and state Highway 6 have been removed police said. The 10 remaining cars carried liquid propane and tanker trucks will remove the liquid from each car Santa Fe police Sgt. Eric Bruss said.

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_2d6be4c1-936d-5017-b4d3-b7d96b3c467f.html

"Train derails leaks oil solid waste - SANTA FE — Although 22 train cars derailed Thursday in Santa Fe prompting mandatory evacuations only two overturned tankers leaked oil and solid waste."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_5b5ed5fe-5271-5204-93ae-0fc5fb5296f6.html

Sep 2010

"Train derailment closes state Highway 6 - HITCHCOCK — Parts of state Highway 6 between Hitchcock and Bayou Vista were closed Monday afternoon after a train derailment Galveston County Sheriff’s Office officials said."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_a773a67b-fa82-57c5-a35c-036a531068b0.html

July 2011

"Train derails in middle of Hitchcock - HITCHCOCK — A train derailed early Friday morning in the middle of the city shutting down roads and ”making a big mess” the city’s police chief said."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_c45901c0-b308-5bbb-8163-e00dd939cb45.html

Sep 2011

"Ethanol leak from derailment prompts evacuations - HITCHCOCK — A train derailment that leaked ethanol from two overturned tank cars forced the Tuesday evening evacuation of roughly 40 families but no injuries were reported authorities said."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_adb1c626-201f-537e-ba72-b035a616ba79.html

Oct 2011

"Derailed train closes state Highway 6- A minor train derailment on a set of tracks between Bayou Vista and Hitchcock forced the closure of state Highway 6 officials said. None of the cars on the train have turned over but at least one of the railcars is off the tracks."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/article_7a825ae8-fa15-5bb7-a1e4-203fb93cfd20.html

2014

"Train derailment causes fire - GALVESTON — A train derailment on the island Friday night caused a fire that burned more than 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel and took crews more than an hour to extinguish, officials said."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/local_news/article_b2c9f8be-3bc3-11e4-b465-0017a43b2370.html

2015

"Highway 3 closed in La Marque after train cars derail - LA MARQUE — A train derailment closed state Highway 3 for about an hour Monday night."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_f9049ace-b665-11e4-ac88-0b0d9fd51ba8.html

2018

"Train derails in Galveston, spilling grain- A group of cars derailed in a Galveston train yard on Wednesday afternoon."

https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_3861f6e4-fb89-57e0-8502-79d413d528d2.html

And that's just recent derailments in just Galveston County!

Gary Miller

Carlos> How many pipeline leaks were reported during the time and places these hundreds of rail car derailments happened? None? Even as hundreds of times more product were delivered by the pipe lines. 830,000 barrels requires 4,400 tank trucks or 1,300 rail cars a day. Several hundred more chances for a leak or spill compared with a pipe line.

Michelle Aycoth

Biden is just getting started.

Gary Scoggin

There are limits as to how much can be done through executive action. Both Obama and Trump pushed those limits until (and after) the Courts slapped their hands. I think Biden has already pushed things pretty far. He'll have to work through Congress to push his agenda much further.

What he can do is change the tone of the agencies. In general, the administrative staffs are left of center. (Not socialist or generally really liberal, just more left leaning than right leaning.) The Trump appointees had things pulled very far right at the top to the point where nothing much effective was getting done. Relieving that tension is overall a good thing so long as things don't spring back to far and too quickly.

Like I've said many times before, businesses value predictability over policy. If policies change too quickly then investment becomes too risky. If you know what the rules are and you know they are going to be constant you can evaluate the risk and make a reasonable investment decision.

Carlos Ponce

Michelle Aycoth, what you post is scarier than anything Stephen King ever wrote![scared][scared][scared][scared][scared]

Wayne D Holt

Looks like the VP has a firm grasp on economic realities, too:

.@KamalaHarris says there will be job creation around “reclaiming abandoned land mines” in West Virginia.

“All of those skilled workers who are in the coal industry and transferring those skills to what we need to do in terms of dealing with reclaiming abandoned land mines.” https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1355948408498835457

I guess to distinguish them from all the underwater mines that everyone trudges to every working day.

George Laiacona

Unfortunately the Keystone pipeline line has employed nonunion unskilled workers therefore the quality of the project is in question. Fortunately the part of the project that cuts through Indian land has been stopped by our President for two very good reasons. He has no personal investment in the project like the former TV celebrity and the project itself is not the type that will improve our environment. The smart oil companies are investing in the future of a world without the excessive need for oil.

Carlos Ponce

"He has no personal investment in the project ..." But he has an interest inpaying back Democrat Contributors like BNSF Warren Buffett! If you can't fol;low the $$$$$$$ trail, I cannot fix that.

Gary Miller

Biden reacts to his source of money. Bought in other words. The XL pipeline didn't contribute as the border wall did not. Opponents of both contributed $ millions.

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