In response to Bill Fullen rewriting the history of Jan. 6 ("Jan. 6 wasn't an insurrection," The Daily News, Dec. 23): Fullen seems to be saying "don't believe what your eyes are seeing, believe what I'm saying."

Yes, there were weapons such as baseball bats, steel flagpoles, chemical sprays, bricks, etc. The rioters dressed in battle gear — helmets, face shields, etc. — came to battle, not protest.

It's sad to say, but Fullen isn't the only one trying to change the facts surrounding the Jan. 6 insurrection.

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Carlos Ponce

Ho hum.... another Leftist Liberal lackey writes a letter to the editor.

There was no insurrection. No one has been charged with insurrection.

"FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-confirms-there-was-no-insurrection-on-jan-6/ar-AANxOuQ

Ed Buckner

Harry Young, you're right, and your last sentence will prove correct not only in general but in reply to your own letter. Unfortunately, I think the 2022 and 2024 elections may demonstrate that an awful lot of voters are still badly misled and misinformed. The winners of those elections will not demonstrate, either way, what the truth is, but they could empower the anti-democratic, corrupt, demagogues and corporatists. I hope not.

Dwight Burns

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George Laiacona

Right on Harry Young ! The traitor Republicans only see January 6th through the eyes of those who are still disgruntled. They supported their wannabe Dictator Trump that day and lost. The situation has changed since the 2000 election when they had the Florida Supreme Court on their side. All we can do now is to hope that the next election reduces the amount of traitor Republicans in office. Then we just might be able to protect our democracy again.

Leigh Gottlob-Cowart

😆😆😆George 😆😆😆😆😆protect our democracy??? Looks like stock prices on Kraft Holdings just might go up!!

Carlos Ponce

Bailey Jones: "Carlos is correct, no one has been convicted of the crime of 'insurrection'."[thumbup]

Bailey Jones

Again - all this hanging up over terms. Carlos is correct, no one has been convicted of the crime of "insurrection".

However, 151 of the numbnuts who were party to the disgrace of January 6 have pled guilty to these charges -

Obstruction of an official proceeding

Parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building

Conspiracy and obstruction of Congress

Illegally demonstrating inside the US Capitol

Felony obstruction of Congress

Disorderly conduct in a Capitol building

Assaulting capitol officers

Assaulting capitol officers with a dangerous weapon

Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon

Interstate communication of threats

Possession of an unregistered firearm; carrying a pistol without a license

Theft of government property

Among the 727 numbnuts that have been arrested but not yet pled/tried, the charges include -

Act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or building

Acts during civil disorder

Aiding and abetting; civil disorder; forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere with officers

Assault in a special territorial jurisdiction

Assault of Federal Law Enforcement Officer with Dangerous Weapon

Assault on a federal officer or employee; obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder; obstruction of justice/Congress;

Assault on a federal officer with a dangerous or deadly weapon; destruction of government property over $1,000;

Assault on a federal officer; civil disorder; obstruction of an official proceeding; restricted building or grounds

Assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon or inflicting bodily injury; civil disorder;

(There are dozens of these "assaulting an officer" charges.)

Civil disorder; assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers; obstruction of an official proceeding; entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings; parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building

(There are dozens of these "civil disorder" charges.)

Conspiracy and unlawful entry with a dangerous weapon; violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; civil disorder; assault on a federal officer using a deadly or dangerous weapon; aiding and abetting

(There are dozens of these "Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceedings" charges.)

Curfew violation, unlawful entry

Damaging or destroying government property; Obstruction of an official proceeding; Violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.

Deface private/public property, assault on a police officer.

Destruction of government property - dozens of these.

Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building - dozens of these.

Knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and impeding or disrupting official functions" - dozens of these.

Obstruction of justice/Congress

Obstruction of law enforcement during a civil disorder

(Complete 91 page table of charges is here, please take the time to read the charges one by one -

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1)

200-300 numbnuts have yet to be identified and arrested.

So what we have here is about a thousand morons illegally entering the capitol, assaulting LEOs, and destroying public property. So far, this sounds like a run-of-the-mill riot. But then we add obstruction of congressional proceedings - those proceedings being the certification of the legitimate government of the United States, and conspiracy to commit these acts - and that's what gets us to insurrection.

But, let's not get caught up in the definition of "insurrection". The crimes committed by these really, really, really, stupid people are egregious, and their intent to overthrow the legitimate government of the United States is obvious. If they weren't all idiots they might have gotten away with it. The fact that so many equally stupid people in this forum defend these crimes just shows how truly stupid the Trumpublican Party has become, Absolutely stupid. Absolutely moronic. And absolutely dangerous.

Noel Spencer

Bailey, you nailed it ! Morons all, both those that stormed the capital and those that still think it was ok and not a big deal.

Carlos Ponce

"So what we have here is about a thousand morons illegally entering the capitol" There were that many Democrats that day?

Gary Scoggin

Well said, Bailey. How sad that there are those with ears yet do not hear.

Gary Miller

Members of BLM with outstanding warants were identified by FBI. None have been arrested, Why? Because 1 6 is being used as political tool by progressives.

Gary Scoggin

Can you provide a reliable source?

Carlos Ponce

If by, "reliable source" Gary Scoggin means a drive by Leftist media, they're not reporting it. "We only provide the news we want you to know, with a Liberal twist" is their modus operandi.

Bailey Jones

Gary, of course Gary can't provide a source - there is none. One need only read through the comments from our clown car conservatives to see that they have no evidence for any of their claims, only diversions and excuses. It's really quite a disgrace. Falsehoods built upon the ashes of what was once principled conservatism, by the liars, cheats, blasphemers, and seditionists who make up the cult of Trump.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, I would accept a source that specifically identifies the BLM members identified by the FBI and not prosecuted. And at least one independent confirmation of that information.

Gary Scoggin

Bailey, in my attempt to help make conversation on this forum more civil, I am not engaging in ad hominem accusations or attacks. I am simply and (hopefully) respectfully asking questions that can help substantiate claims that people make.

I am hoping we can return to more substantive discussions.

Carlos Ponce

"Carlos, I would accept a source that specifically identifies the BLM members identified by the FBI and not prosecuted." Therein lies the problem The FBI REFUSES to pursue the case against BLM and antifa members,. But the videos compiled by grandmas and grandpas on their cell phones still exist confirming the presence of Antifa/BLM. Will the Schiff scam committee investigate? Of course not.

"I see NOTHING! NOTHING!"

Look at the video "Capitol Punishment. They appear there too. But will Gary Miller even attempt to see it? Doubtful.

Jim Forsythe

Antifa/BLM-Led Riots Injured More Police Officers, Caused More Damage, and Resulted in More Arrests Than the Capitol Riot

10 Antifa members charged for alleged attacks on California pro-Trump protesters:

A Minneapolis rioter-arsonist during last summer’s mayhem in the city has been sentenced to nearly nine years behind bars

BLM activist charged with attempted murder for running over Trump supporters

More than two dozen Antifa rioters charged for Portland mayhem U.S. Attorney Billy J. Williams announced today that 74 people are facing federal charges for crimes committed adjacent to or under the guise of peaceful demonstrations in Portland

Joseph Austin Gaskins, charged with felony conspiracy and assault with a deadly weapon, had been arrested at a Black Lives Matter-antifa riot

San Diego County District Attorney's office charged 11 alleged antifa members with felony conspiracy and felony assault charges

BLM supporter charged for string of Seattle-area Asian hate crimes

Justice Department charges 2 men alleged to have marched with Proud Boys on January 6 and led charge at US Capitol

Bailey Jones

Gary Scoggin, you're a better person than I am. I have nothing left to offer but contempt. I'll leave you to it.

Jim Forsythe

Now that is posted, this get back to the January 6th uprising.

Gary Scoggin

Bailey, I'm certainly not a better man - LOL - but I am worn out with the lack of civility being expressed in these parts and others. I can't change everything but I can change my behavior and hope it wears off on others. I will start insisting on facts and proof and will challenge statements where they are not provided.

Ed Buckner

I also find Mr. Scoggin's approach admirable. Not sure I can be that calm and reasonable, but I appreciate someone trying to be.

Carlos Ponce

"I will start insisting on facts and proof and will challenge statements where they are not provided." Sounds like Thomas the Apostle. The others accepted on faith......

Gary Scoggin

If Jesus returns in my lifetime, I won't ask to see the scars. Everybody else has gotta show their work. And the more outlandish the claim, the higher the burden of proof.

Carlos Ponce

"Everybody else has gotta show their work." Like I posted, nothing I provide will satisfy you so why bother?

Dwight Burns

Where is your source of information coming from? Oh, like so many of your post, you just pull your 'so called' facts out of thin air.

Gary Scoggin

“ Everybody else has gotta show their work." Like I posted, nothing I provide will satisfy you so why bother?” - I can’t answer that for you.

Carlos Ponce

"However, 151 of the numbnuts " The rest NEVER entered the building. Some weren't even in Washington on that date. And the most common charge of those who entered is tantamount to TRESPASSING.

"But, let's not get caught up in the definition of 'insurrection'. Legal definitions are there for a reason. Bailey doesn't like them when they don't fit his false narrative./

Bailey Jones

Carloser - Why is every single comment you make either factually incorrect, logically specious, morally objectionable, and/or irrelevant? This one is factually incorrect (and since you obviously knew that, morally objectionable) - The 151 of the numbnuts are those who pled guilty rather than go to trial, NOT the number of rioters who entered the capitol.

Investigators - based on videos and social media posts made by the idiots themselves, estimate that as many as 2000 Trumpidiots took part in the riot INSIDE the building. About half have been identified and charged so far.

362 charged with Assaulting, threatening, or obstructing police (felony)

257 charged with Obstruction of an official proceeding (felony)

163 charged with Trespassing with a dangerous weapon (felony)

53 charged with Robbery, theft, destruction of property (felony)

319 charged with Parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building (misdemeanor)

379 charged with Disorderly conduct in a Capitol building (misdemeanor)

427 were charged with Entering without authority (misdemeanor)

397 were charged with Disorderly or disruptive conduct in any restricted building or grounds (misdemeanor)

394 were charged with a variety of other things (misdemeanor)

But please - keep defending these traitors. Show us the gullible seditious idiot we all know you to be.

Carlos Ponce

Baaley, those charges are not independent and on the same person. And prosecutors are OVERCHARGING, hoping the defendant will settle for just one charge in return for signing a "guilty" plea. Look for most of the charges to be DROPPED. This was done with the man who was charged with multiple crimes including an almost $1.5 million charge for damages. After signing a "confession" he paid $2000. And yet the Liberals will say, THE MAN ADMITTED GUILT! THE MAN ADMITTED GUILT!!!! Next...."

Jim Forsythe

Daryl Johnson who allegedly took part in the Jan. 6 insurrection is facing a new felony charge. Now the 29-year-old is facing a new felony count of interfering with U.S. Capitol Police. They are using the Sarbanes-Oxley Act to obtain felony convictions. If convicted, he and others will face from 10 to 25 years behind bars.

Carlos Ponce

The majority of arrests were for trespassing. But can you trespass if the Capitol Police held the door open for you? And the most common "weapon" was a cell phone used to take pictures and capture video. Of course, Jim Forsythe will highlight the handful that did bad things.

Jim Forsythe

Now that most of the cases of the low hanging fruit are being concluded, the ones that carry longer sentences are about to begin.

Those charged with misdemeanor plead guilty move more quickly than those charged with felonies. Felony defendants may be more reluctant to take pleas, because of the substantial prison time they face. We are now at the point that most of the misdemeanor cases are out of the way, and the felony case will now take center stage.

Roughly half of the 650 defendants have been charged with at least one felony, in contrast to the large percentage of petty misdemeanors seen among the early guilty pleas.

At least 260 defendants have been charged with the felony of: “corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding” (18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2) At least 190 defendants have been charged with felonies against law enforcement officers. Sixty of these individuals have been accused of using a dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury—an aggravating factor.

Weapons included pipes, bats, hockey sticks, flag poles, stun guns, bear spray, wooden planks, a spear, stolen police shields and batons, and fire extinguishers (discharged or thrown). About 140 officers were assaulted during the attack. The crimes against police officers are charged as either “assaulting, resisting or impeding” an officer (18 U.S.C. § 111(a)(1)) or “obstructing, impeding or interfering” with one during a “civil disorder” (18 U.S.C. § 231(a)(3)). The assault felony carries an eight-year maximum—or 20 years for aggravated cases—while the civil disorder charge carries a five-year maximum.

Carlos Ponce

How many had those "weapons", Jim? Not many.

Jim Forsythe

It will become clear how many had weapons when the cases against the next wave is unfolded.

One weapon was to many

Carlos, would it have been OK with you if another Country had done the same thing as these law breakers did?

What would your response have been, if any other Country had attacked the Captial in the same manor?

Would you be outraged or just poo-poo it, like you are now.

Jim Forsythe

Sixty of these individuals have been accused of using a dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury—an aggravating factor.

Jim Forsythe

Some people seem proud of what happened at the Capital and do not see it for what it was, an attack on the USA.

If another Country had done this act, we would be at war with them right now!

If you are one of the ones that thinks what happened is OK, ask yourself why I am condoning this assault from within, on the USA.

Anyone that was at the Capital to try and change an election by using force, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Anyone that was at the Capital to try and do harm to elected officials, regardless of party, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Carlos Ponce

" an attack on the USA." - Hyperbolic nonsense.

Jim Forsythe

If you are one of the ones that thinks what happened is OK, ask yourself why I am condoning this assault from within.

Craig Mason

Lock em up and throw away the key.

Carlos Ponce

The instigators, The Antifa, the BLM, Feds .... They're on video, no charges or charges were dropped. Is this Biden Justice? It's his and Merrick Garland's Justice Department.

Bailey Jones

I appreciate the precedent you've set for future urban riots, Sad Little Troll. The next time that a city erupts in violence I'll expect you to be there defending the rioters -

only a few of them had weapons

most were just peaceful protestors

it only lasted a few hours

prosecutors are "overcharging" to encourage guilty pleas

the majority of arrests were for trespassing

there was no insurrection

Or, do these excuses of yours only hold for white Trumpster rioters?

Carlos Ponce

Those are not excuses, Baaley, those are either facts or enlightened conjecture. Looks like if you ever read Sherlock Holmes you do not recognize the character's methods.

Carlos Ponce

"The rioters dressed in battle gear — helmets, face shields, etc. — came to battle, not protest." Most of those were ANTIFA.... no charges.

Jim Forsythe

Those charged with misdemeanor plead guilty move more quickly than those charged with felonies. Felony defendants may be more reluctant to take pleas, because of the substantial prison time they face. We are now at the point that most of the misdemeanor cases are out of the way, and the felony case will now take center stage.

Roughly half of the 650 defendants have been charged with at least one felony, in contrast to the large percentage of petty misdemeanors seen among the early guilty pleas.

Carlos Ponce

When you don't have the cash, what do you do? CHARGE CHARGE CHARGE

When a prosecutor is on a fishing expedition what does he or she do? CHARGE CHARGE CHARGE.

The handful who have been sentenced, Jim has mentioned. The rest are CHARGES.[rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

Now you are making excuses. They will be tried in the new year, and at that time what they have done will come too light.

Are you not the one that says, WAIT!

Carlos Ponce

Wait for the appeals.

Jim Forsythe

Until the ones that are being charged with the more serious crimes are tried, they cannot appeal. Most of the others that have been sentenced, have taken a plea bargain and they cannot appeal unless there is some mistake by the court.

As you say, WAIT.

Carlos Ponce

"Until the ones that are being charged with the more serious crimes are tried, they cannot appeal" That's not true. Liberal prosecutors would drag this on past the midterms if they could. That would be a miscarriage of justice. Oh, that's right. We ARE talking about Liberals. They have little regard for the actual law... As you say, Jim, as you say.

Jim Forsythe

They have a schedule(docket) when each case is to be brought before the court. It is true that once a case is plea bargain, it cannot be appealed in most cases.

Two Trump-appointed federal judges have dismissed claims by January 6 defendants that they are being targeted for their conservative beliefs.

The ones that are accused of the deeds on January 6th will have their time in court, starting early next year.

At a status hearing for six defendants facing felony riot charges, Assistant U.S. Attorney Melissa Jackson told U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden that prosecutors had already made plea offers to some of the defendants and that all defendants would receive offers. These types of actives, take time to complete.

As you like to say, WAIT.

Ted Gillis

Check your pants Carlos. Those were militia members, not Antifa.

Carlos Ponce

Dream on, Donkeycrat Ted, dream on.

George Laiacona

Let’s not get caught up on what actually happened on January 6th. The Trump rally cranked out a bunch of idiots that thought they could change the vote count by physical actions. The dummies were stopped by American Patriots. So now the Republican traitors to our democracy are having to pay for their dumb mistakes. Insurrection may not be the right word so Dumb Republican Traitors does fit.

Carlos Ponce

Hyperbolic nonsense. Looks like George is trying to convince himself as many times as he repeats it.[yawn][yawn][yawn][sleep]

Jim Forsythe

For some reason you, Carlos, keep trying to make it a Democrat, Republican thing, when it is not. January 6th is a time when the USA was under attack, and we must make sure that anyone decides to do the same kind of attack on the USA knows that they will be facing jail time. Some people are trying to frame it as a family reunion type of event, when it was a planned attack on the USA.

Carlos Ponce

For some reason you, Jim, keep trying to make it a Republican thing only. CNN reports DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS in addition to Republicans were in the Capitol on January 6th. I have repeated this for almost a year. But some fools refuse to acknowledge TRUTH!

Carlos Ponce

" Some people are trying to frame it as a family reunion type of event, when it was a planned attack on the USA."

The FBI says it was not a "planned attack". But like a good mindless donkey you repeat that Left wing propaganda.

Carlos Ponce

"To determine who voted in November, CNN obtained voting records for more than 80 of the initial arrestees. Most voted in the presidential election, and while many were registered Republicans, a handful were registered as Democrats in those jurisdictions that provided party information -- though who someone votes for is not publicly disclosed. Public access to voter history records varies by state, and CNN was unable to view the records of some of those charged."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/capitol-rioters-non-voters-invs/index.html

Idiots ASSume it involved ONLY Republicans because of Leftist propaganda.

Jim Forsythe

This is some of what is in the link you provided. The Pro-Trump crowd chanted "who's our President?" which means most of the one's chanting were Trump people and not democrats. Since you choose to post the link, you must agree with it.

Many involved in the INSURRECTION professed to be motivated by patriotism, falsely declaring that Trump was the rightful winner of the election.

And there is this, a 65-year-old Georgia man who, according to government documents, was found in his van with a fully-loaded pistol and ammunition, and a Louisiana man who publicly bragged about spending nearly two hours inside the Capitol after attending Trump's "Stop the Steal" rally.

Part of the ones that decided to commit a federal crime was Courtright, who was charged with crimes including knowingly entering a restricted building, was also identified on surveillance footage lugging a congressional "Members Only" sign around the Capitol.

This law breaker was saying it is time for a revolution! Edward Jacob Lang of New York portrayed himself as ready for a revolution. "1776 has commenced,"

Carlos, you can keep making excuses for the ones that attacked the USA, but if you continue to do so, it places you in the same boat as they are in.

Jim Forsythe

Nowhere have I read that Democrats are getting less of a sentence, then Republicans. How many of the judges are ruling different because of the person that comes before them is one party verse the other.

If you disagree, please list the Judges that are being for one group verse the other. As of now most of the law breakers have received the same type of sentence, except for the ones that have provided information against the others, which will come out in court, when the ones that the information was about, go to court.

Part of the time it has taken, is the gathering of the cyber info that will be used. Unless the ones that it will be presented against, decide to not take a deal, if offered.

You, Carlos, keep going on about party when no one else is. As I said before.

Anyone that was at the Capital to try and change an election by using force, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Anyone that was at the Capital to try and do harm to elected officials, regardless of party, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, " The Pro-Trump crowd chanted "who's our President?" which means most of the one's chanting were Trump people and not democrats."

Apparently someone is not smart enough to figure out those who entered the Capitol and acted bad are a different group from the thousands who were in Washington DC but DID NOT enter the building. Most of them were PRAYING in addition to the chanting.... But Jim won't mention them.[rolleyes]

Carlos Ponce

"Nowhere have I read that Democrats are getting less of a sentence, then Republicans."

Look at those who entered the Capitol BUILDING. Missing are the mugshots and charges of many. If you cannot out why I cannot help you.[whistling]

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, you can keep making excuses for the ones that attacked the USA, if you continue to do so, it places you in the same boat as they are in.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "you can keep making excuses for the ones that attacked the USA". I am not defending those who attacked. Let them suffer the consequences. But they're not as numerous as Jim and most Liberals purport. But Jim paints ALL Trump supporters with the same brush.

Jim Forsythe was a scout leader. Some scout leaders molested the youth in their charge. One should not lump Jim in with those who abused those children. But that's precisely what you are doing with the events of January 6th.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, are you not the one who said that no one was in the Capital building illegally? Mugshots (1) mugshots capitol building - Bing images

Click on the pictures and it will reveal more people that entered the Capital illegally.

Of all the people that are pictured, which ones are Democrats and which ones are Republications.

What they are is people trying to change an election by using force or applauding the ones that did.

They will all have a judge, or a jury decided if they are law breakers.

Jim Forsythe

(1) mugshots capitol building - Bing images

Bailey Jones

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Ed Buckner

The key facts leading up to the January 6 insurrection are those regarding the 2020 presidential election. On Quora, a guy named Randy Weir summed this up quite well:

Weir is a Tennessee author, journalist, minister; he posted this on Oct 24.

Do you think there was voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election?

Absolutely. There always is. Normally that rate is about three fraudulent votes out of every million ballots.

And we’ve proven there was voter fraud in 2020, and a handful of people have been charged for casting fraudulent votes—for Trump.

But all indications are that voter fraud in 2020 was at a remarkably low level, well below the average. We could have realistically seen as many as 4,000 fraudulent votes given the high voter turnout, but from all indications we only saw a fraction of that.

The interesting thing is how much voter fraud it would take to change an election. For fraud to have been a factor in 2020, we would have needed hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes cast, and all of those would have had to been invisible, and all of them would have had to be for Biden. This would be absolutely impossible.

Look at Arizona, a state Biden won by over 10,000 votes, that keeps getting recounted for some reason. If the worst-case scenario of 4,000 fraudulent votes nationwide would have happened, and all of that fraud had been concentrated in Arizona, and all of it had been for Biden, even without those votes, Biden still wins the state easily. Double that and he still wins. Double it again and. Biden loses Arizona, but still wins the election because he didn’t even need that state to carry the Electoral College. And for Trump to reverse the election, he’d have needed greater numbers than that in several more states. 12,000 votes wouldn’t have flipped Georgia. 20,000 wouldn’t have flipped Wisconsin. 80,000 wouldn’t be enough to flip Pennsylvania. 150,000 wouldn’t have been enough to flip Michigan.

So was there fraud? Absolutely. Did it matter? Not in the slightest.

Gary Miller

Do you trust the Liberal media? A week ago the commerce dept reported Decembers inflation rate was 9.6%. So far no Lib media has mentioned that. A Biden protection plan of the liberal media. In less than a year Biden has increased Inflation from Trumps 1.2 % to nearly 10%. Isn't that about 880 %?

Carlos Ponce

I found ONE Liberal media that reported it.:

"Wholesale prices measure rose 9.6% in November from a year ago, the fastest pace on record"

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/14/wholesale-prices-measure-rises-9point6percent-in-november-from-a-year-ago-the-fastest-pace-on-record.html

The rest:

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2021-12-14/wholesale-inflation-jumps-record-9-6-over-past-12-months

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/faith-freedom-self-reliance/economy/producer-prices-rise-at-record-9-6-pace-in-november

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/us-producer-prices/2021/12/14/id/1048572/

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/12/14/wholesale-prices-up-inflation-record/8761639495700/

Jim Forsythe

Ed, I think it goes further back then 2020. Trump has a history of unless he or the one he backed won, and some cases even when he won, the election was rigged.

What may be the reason that Trump cannot admitted defeat, may be what the profile of the grandiose narcissist is. It is the inability to accept defeat which may best be characterized by an attempt to protect the grandiose positive self-image. Their dominance, denial of weaknesses, and tendency to devalue others results in a lack of comprehension it’s even possible for them to lose. But maybe not.

Nov. 2012--Trump, who had endorsed Republican nominee Mitt Romney, tweeted about apocryphal reports of “voting machines switching Romney votes to Obama” after previously warning supporters in October to “be careful of voter fraud!”

Feb. 2016---Trump repeatedly chalked up his narrow loss to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) in the Iowa caucus to voter fraud, pushing vague, unsubstantiated claims Cruz “cheated” and “stole” the election and demanding, “either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.”

Nov. 2016---Despite defeating Hillary Clinton in the Electoral College, Trump tweeted baseless allegations of “millions of FRAUD votes” and claiming, “Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California.”

Nov. 2018---Trump took aim at Senate elections in Arizona and Florida and a gubernatorial race in Georgia – the latter two of which Republicans won – falsely claiming Florida counties “miraculously started finding Democrat votes” and proposing a new election in Arizona because of unexplained “electoral corruption.”

Ed Buckner

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Carlos Ponce

Jim doesn't know history, especially TEXAS history. Democrat Party voting fraud has been with us for over a century.

Poll taxes initiated by the Democrat Party.

The "Jaybird Primary" Fort Bend County, Texas declaring the Democrat Primary "whites only".

Duvall County which manufactured votes to Democrats, including John F. Kennedy, so Texas Electoral votes went to him. Coupled with Cook County gave the Electoral edge to JFK.

Then there's Harris County in 2020 still under investigation along with Bexar county etc.

But Sergeant Jim Schultz says, "I see Nothing! NOTHING!"

Gary Miller

Pro Trump of course. Insurection? Only according to liberal media. When BLM and Antifa learned there'd be a Trump rally they started loading buses to be there.

Jim Forsythe

Before the dust could settle in the wake of the riot, right-wing media and conspiracy theorists began releasing allegations of the riots being a hoax staged by Antifa. This was quickly disproved as the identities of those captured on camera surfaced and showed the alleged rioters were supporters of Trump, QAnon and members of extremist conservative groups like the Proud Boys.

One of those suggested as having Antifa ties was a Utah man named John Sullivan, who was one of people arrested and charged after the assault on the Capitol. A self-declared activist.

John Earle Sullivan also known as Jayden X, or Activist John, is a political activist, alleged agitator at the January 6 Capitol riot.

Carlos Ponce

Your post is filled with fallacies.

Carlos Ponce

"Before the dust could settle" The dust will never settle.... NO'Rourke would eat it before it has a chance.

Jim Forsythe

Thank you, Ed.

Jim Forsythe

Anyone regardless of party or what group they belonged too, will face the punishment that they deserve, if they had a hand in this attack. Everyone that was at the Capital on January 6th was document as to what their actives were. This is also including anyone that had a hand in planning and/or executing this attack on the USA. Some have not been charged yet but will be.

As we approach one year since this attack on the USA happened, it is starting to become clearer as to how far some will go to try and change a presidential election that was already decided.

Carlos Ponce

"Anyone regardless of party or what group they belonged too, will face the punishment that they deserve, if they had a hand in this attack." Must be why they're ignoring the hundreds caught on video dressed like Antifa.

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce has a yard that is filled with statues of Satan. (Oh, wait, are we supposed to *back up* our assertions? Who knew?)

Carlos Ponce

No statues of Satan in my yard, Ed Buckner.

Ed Buckner

Nine of them--or so people are saying.

Ed Buckner

Of course I'm being sarcastic and satirical. Mr. Ponce can have as many statues of Satan as he wants in his yard--it's a free country. And I can say he has 31--it's a free country. But if if I want anyone to take me seriously, I need to back up my assertions, and simply declaring things like, "Your post is full of fallacies" means nothing unless it's supported.

Carlos Ponce

interesting Ed Buckner is aware of what Satan looks like.....

Ed Buckner

He looks *exactly* like Carlos Ponce--as far as I know.

Carlos Ponce

"He looks 'exactly' like Carlos Ponce--as far as I know." Then describe me.

Ed Buckner

That would be redundant.

Carlos Ponce

"He looks 'exactly' like Carlos Ponce--as far as I know." In other words, youjust made all that up.[rolleyes]

Carlos Ponce

"Anyone that attempted to attack the USA on January 6th, are being charged with crimes" WRONG!

Jim Forsythe

Anyone that attempted to attack the USA on January 6th, are being charged with crimes, if they have been ID. It makes no difference what they call themselves or what group they belong to.

Just as Whilliam Norwood found out, they will find you. They are still going over cyber records, so more arrest may be coming.

In a text to his brother, he said he was among the “ANTIFA Trump supporters” at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

A South Carolina man (William Robert Norwood III,) faces federal charges after admitting to federal agents that he traveled to Washington, D.C., with his wife on Jan. 6th, attended then-president Donald Trump’s rally, and entered the U.S. Capitol rotunda. Text messages the man shared with relatives indicate he bragged that he had dressed “like ANTIFA.”

“I’m dressing in all black. I’ll look just like ANTIFA,” Norwood is alleged to have texted a small group on Jan. 5th, one day before the Capitol siege. “I’ll get away with anything,” he then added.

Norwood shared a screen shot of a message which purported that Antifa operatives were going from Portland to D.C. and were planning “to wear camouflage, cut-offs, and Trump paraphernalia to blend in, but turning their MAGA hats backward for identification.”

Norwood “admitted to entering the U.S. Capitol, including, at one point, the Capitol Rotunda.”

Agents also recovered surveillance video which shows him inside the Capitol complex.

Norwood is charged with (1) knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; (2) violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; (3) obstruction of justice/Congress; and (4) theft of government property.

Court records indicate Norwood was arrested in Greer, South Carolina, on Feb. 25th

As for the ones that think some dressed in some sort of group garb to get away with it, were they arrested later? Where they undercover police or FBI agents?

As the cases are presented, what happened will become clearer.

Also, I expect the DOJ will start charging people with crimes. This could include DC Politicians.

Just Wait.

Carlos Ponce

"Anyone that attempted to attack the USA on January 6th, are being charged with crimes" That doesn't explain MANY, including Ray Epps, who had a warrant for his arrest.... then it was DROPPED.

Jim Forsythe

What should Ray Epps be charged with? Going to a rally? In an interview with The Arizona Republic shortly after the riot, Epps acknowledged that he had traveled to Washington for former President Donald Trump’s rally.

When the newspaper asked what he meant in videos by "go into the Capitol," he said, "The only thing that meant is we would go in the doors like everyone else. It was totally, totally wrong the way they went in."

Epps never appears to have entered the Capitol or engaged in violence as many of the more than 600 others facing charges did. The investigation is ongoing. Again, what did Epps do that he deserved to be charged for?

Or maybe he should be charged with talking to Ryan Samsel.

On Jan. 6, Epps is seen approaching police barricades. The video doesn’t show Epps participating in any of the violence. But he puts his hands on the shoulders of a man in a red "Make America Great Again" ballcap and then cups his hands to speak into the man’s ear moments before the protesters topple the barricades and tussle with police. The man, Ryan Samsel, now faces charges in connection with his actions that day, including impeding a law enforcement officer and obstructing an official proceeding.

Carlos Ponce

"What should Ray Epps be charged with?"

There's video of him on January 5, trying to convince people to enter the Capitol building on the 6th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Z1TgRHbQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UzScWa-k2w

Ray Epps assaulted Capitol Police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbzlUH3FZ6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3tG0cnv1Ys

On January 6 he was videoed ushering and urging people to enter the Capitol Building.

He did far more than many thrown in jail.

Be sure to watch Epps help "topple the barricade". But you'll probably state the man did NOTHING! NOTHING! Right Sgt Schultz?

Jim Forsythe

You are for sending someone to prison for trying to convince people to enter the Capitol building.?

You think Epps having a hand on a banner, along with many more people, is enough to send him to prison?

Are you not the person that said that no valiance happened January 6th? That no one was in the Capital illegally?

You now think that all that were involved, should be charged and convicted of crimes of valiance?

I think that anyone that tried to attack the Capital, if convicted, should go to prison for the longest term allowed, for what they did.

Epps could still be charged, and he may have been able to make a deal for information he may have known.

There is a lot of time to charge people that were involved in the attack of the capital, January 6th. Epps could still be charged.

WAIT. All will be revealed in time.

Carlos Ponce

"You are for sending someone to prison for trying to convince people to enter the Capitol building.?"

JIM, PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON FOR PRECISELY THAT!!!!!!!!!!

AND HE DID MORE THAN THAT, JUT SGT JIM SCHULTZ sees NOTHING! NOTHING!

Did you even BOTHER to see all the videos provided?

Why was he on the FBI wanted list.... THEN DROPPED FROM THE LIST?

You are posting he will sing.

It's been almost a year... IS HE SINGING???????? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, in the last post I said, "I think that anyone that tried to attack the Capital, if convicted, should go to prison for the longest term allowed, for what they did."

No matter who attacked the Captial, they should receive the maximum sentence allowed by law.

It's up to the lawyers and judges to charge people. I have no power to place charges on anyone that attacked the Capital.

I'm sure now that you have changed your tune to charge everyone, you are also in favor of going after the House members, Senators and ex-president, if they are proven to have a part in the attack or any other part of January 6th.

Epp’s image was at one point included on the FBI Capitol Violence most wanted list, a website that seeks the public's help in identifying people involved in the riot or other actives.

Why is Epps no long on the most wanted list? Because the FBI is no longer is seeking help in locating him.

You asked, "Did you even BOTHER to see all the videos provided?" the answer is yes plus the ones on the ones on the FBI Capitol Violence most wanted list. As far as I'm concerned, all in video

On the FBI Capitol Violence most wanted list includes video clips, Hundreds of pictures of ones they are looking for and a list of what people that have been sentenced, such as the ones below.

Defendant Planned Activities as Member of Proud Boys Chapter in Central New York ----WASHINGTON – A New York man pleaded guilty today to crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.

Matthew Greene, 34, of Syracuse, conspired with fellow members of the Proud Boys, a self-described “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world; aka Western Chauvinists.” Greene pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy and one count of obstruction of an official proceeding this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia

Also listed is, Seattle Man (Devlyn Thompson,) sentenced to 46 Months in Prison for Assaulting Law Enforcement During Capitol Breach.

Now they are getting to the ones that will receive the longer sentences. More may be charged, if they are found to be part of the attack.

Carlos Ponce

Whatever, Jim. People videoed at the Capitol performing bad stuff are not being pursued.

Jim Forsythe

Maybe they are and you just do not know it, yet.

Jim Forsythe

WAIT, just WAIT!

Jim Forsythe

It's up to the lawyers and judges to charge people. I have no power to place charges on anyone that attacked the Capital.

Carlos Ponce

No, but once the Democrats are removed .........

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, please list the Democrats that are removed.

Jim Forsythe

Dec. 28, 2021---The FBI continues to find and charge those responsible for the attack that left five people dead and sent lawmakers and Vice President Mike Pence fleeing to shelter. Below is the last one that has been charged, as of Dec. 28, 2021.

James Robert Elliott AKA--- Jim Bob--- Age: 24 --- Arrested or charged on: Dec. 19, 2021---Home state: Illinois

Charges

Civil disorder; assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers with a dangerous weapon; entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon; disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon; engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly and dangerous weapon; act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings

What happened-----Elliott was charged with five felonies, after the Department of Justice said he used a flagpole to assault officers on the Capitol grounds.

Carlos Ponce

[yawn][yawn][yawn]

Carlos Ponce

List the Democrats? They will be.

Jim Forsythe

Ray Epps is back in the news. As I said before, more charges are coming for some.

Stewart Rhodes, Ray Epps, John Sullivan Subpoenaed to Testify in 1/6 Oath Keepers Case.

The leader of the Oath Keepers and two of the men captured on video urging people to enter or proceed into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 have been subpoenaed by the defense to testify in the government’s case against Kelly Meggs, an Oath Keeper accused of conspiring to storm the Capitol.

Meggs faces charges of conspiracy, obstruction of an official proceeding, destruction of government property and entering and remaining in a restricted building.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, do you think posting Ray Epps being subpoenaed is the same as having charges brought against him?

Jim Forsythe

All I did was post an update about Epps.

Will he provide info for a reduced sentence, who know except the ones that are having him testify.

As I said before, WAIT and it will become clearer, as to what each person part of the attack was.

As before, anyone proven guilty of attacking the USA should get the maximum sentence allowed by law.

Carlos Ponce

"All I did was post an update about Epps." You did more than that, Jim.

"Will he provide info for a reduced sentence, who know except the ones that are having him testify." No charges were ever filed and he was dropped from the FBI search list so how would he get a reduced sentence? A sentence is only for those found guilty. Epps is not even on trial.

Jim Forsythe

Epps was dropped from the FBI search list, because the FBI knows where he is, so they no longer are searching for him.

Jim Forsythe

A defendant's time when they have the most power, is before they became a defendant. plea deals can happen before charges, and some are called downward departure. In the Epps case you may see if applied.

In federal court, the judge will determine the recommended sentencing range under the United States Sentencing Guidelines. What can cause a defendant to receive a reduced sentence, a downward departure, which is set forth in the sentencing guidelines, it can significantly affect the length of the prison sentence ultimately imposed. This type of departure can occur either before or after sentencing if you provide the government with information or some other service that substantially assists the government in an investigation.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, you're ranting.

Jim Forsythe

You asked questions and I answered them.

Carlos Ponce

"You asked questions and I answered them." Not really. But if works for you....[rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

First question you asked why did the FBI Dropp Epps from the most wanted list. My answer, Epps was dropped from the FBI search list, because the FBI knows where he is, so they no longer are searching for him.

Carlos Ponce

Thanks for the laugh, Jim. The FIB quit looking for him because they know where he is! How Funny! Doesn't explain why they sent storm troopers in to arrest the others who just entered the Capitol to take selfies. And the Capitol Police opened the doors for him. TRY AGAIN WITH A MORE PLAUSIBLE EXCUSE, JIM! You're ranting FAILS!

Jim Forsythe

The video was originally shared on TikTok and later shared on Twitter with the all-caps caption, “THEY LITERALLY JUST LET THEM THROUGH.”

Marcus DiPaolo was the person who shot the video, said that isn’t true

Shortly before the barrier was breached, the police were outnumbered “100 to 1.” He said there were not enough reinforcements for police to hold protesters back because they were “hoping to avoid inflaming tensions.”

“They definitely didn’t just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades. Completely outnumbered, there wouldn’t have been any point in fighting,” DiPaolo said.

DiPaolo took a video that has been widely circulated on social media, with people saying it looked like cops let the protesters through the barrier.

He said the cops didn’t open the gates, adding “No, the barrier was there, protesters just pushed it aside and the cops abandoned their post.

Jim Forsythe

Anyone that entered the Capital, used force and other illegal actives should have the maximum sentence allowed by law leveled against them.

It makes no difference why a person entered the capital illegally, they were committing a crime.

Anyone that entered the Capital on January 6th without having permission, was subject to being charged with unlawful entry into a federal restricted area. If they caused a disturbance, they also could have been charged with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.

Only 14 people were arrested by the U.S. Capitol Police on Jan. 6: 10 for unlawful entry; two for assaulting a police officer; and two for weapons possession. Also, there are at least 1,000 who “crossed the threshold in terms of going into the Capitol and being hit [with] federal crimes,”

According to FBI estimates, as of Dec. 30 there were “around 250 individuals” pictured on the agency’s Jan. 6 wanted list and accused of having assaulted law enforcement officers that day who have not yet been identified or arrested. An additional 100 suspects are wanted for committing other “violent acts” on Capitol grounds. The bureau says it is also looking to ID 16 suspects seen on video assaulting federal officers that day, and two suspects who were filmed assaulting members of the media.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, the DiPaolo video is not the only video out there. And you fail to acknowledge the selfies taken of Capitol police and the alleged "rioters".

Jim Forsythe

Are these the police officers that you are talking about?

TWO CAPITOL Police officers have been suspended and one has been arrested for behaving inappropriately during the Capitol riots.

The suspensions involved an officer taking selfies with Capitol rioters and an officer wearing a Make America Great Again hat and taking protesters around.

There are 10 to 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their behavior during riot.

If found guilty of what they are accused of, they should receive the maximum sentence allowed.

Carlos Ponce

More than TWO, Jim, More than two.

Jim Forsythe

What do you want done to the selfie takers? More than 2 have been IDed and are being given punishment.

Are you suggesting they go to jail? If so for how long? I'm for the maximum they can received, if they are charged and convicted.

These police officers do not take away with the horrible crime's others did that day. Taking pictures and holding doors open do not raise to the level that attacking the capital does.

Investigators found the officer had committed “conduct unbecoming.

Six Capitol police officers have been suspended and another 29 are under investigation following the deadly riot.

The Capitol police Office of Professional Responsibility is looking into the actions of the 35 officers during the Jan. 6 attack.

Carlos Ponce

"What do you want done to the selfie takers?" Introduce the video. If a Capitol Hill Police Officer opened the door and let them in then NOTHING should be done. But the judge won't allow that. If they took a selfie with the officer that's not a crime.

Jim Forsythe

I do not know which judge you are talking about, but Federal judge Reggie Walton an G.W. Bush Appointed Judge said Individuals Who Took Selfie at Capitol on January 6 Should Be Locked Up.

Who do you want me to introduce a video too?

If you are trying to say, since some took selfies and held a door open, others should be let off? Those two different crimes.

Give them all the maximum allowed by law, for anything that is proven they did.

Carlos Ponce

Jim Forsythe, ONCE AGAIN, takes things out of context and adds to it!

The person charged was Anthony Mariotto. Was he CHARGED with taking a selfie? No. READ what Judge Reggie B. Walton ACTUALLY said:

"You've disgraced this country in the eyes of the world, and my inclination is to lock you up. I found it outrageous that American citizens would do what you did. To see someone destroy, or try to destroy, the Capitol is very troubling to me."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/judge-says-capitol-rioter-disgraced-this-country/index.html

Does the Judge ever mention "selfie". No.

What was Anthony Mariotto charged with?

Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; entering and remaining in the Gallery of Congress; disorderly conduct in a Capitol Building; parading demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol Building.

Do you see "selfie" among the charges? The man did take a selfie but he wasn't arrested for that.

Jim Forsythe

What was your point about salifies? This is what judge Walton was talking about, according to charging documents, Mariotto entered the Senate chamber during the riot. While in the chamber, he took a selfie, which he then posted to Facebook with the caption, “This is our house.”

"To see someone, destroy, or try to destroy, the Capitol is very troubling to me," Walton added.

Walton has been outspoken in his disdain for the events of January 6 and has repeatedly said that the riot would undermine his ability to teach "about the greatness of America abroad."

Walton is one of a chorus of federal judges who have described the riot as an existential danger to American democracy. Last month, one federal judge called the riot an effort "to subvert democracy, to stop the will of the people and replace it with the will of the mob." "America was not great on that day. And I'm sure when I go to other jurisdictions to say how they can be like America, they'll say, 'Why should I want to be like America when you are all trying to tear down your own country?'

All that tried to attack the USA, should face the maximum sentences.

Carlos Ponce

"What was your point about salifies?"

"salifies"??????

Jim Forsythe

You know that we are talking about selfies.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, wake up and smell the "Covfefe". You just want to argue.

Ed Buckner

As I've already made clear to anyone who didn't immediately realize it, my comments on Carlos Ponce and any statues in his yard or elsewhere were satirical fabrications. What I didn't "just make up" is that Carlos Ponce blithely makes assertions without even pretending to back them up. And I was--and am--ridiculing that practice of his.

Carlos Ponce

In other words... don't take anything Ed Buckner posts seriously.

As to my posts, they are backed, if not now, given time.

Ed Buckner

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

And the Georgia Libtroll posts again!

Post it again, Georgia Libtroll! I COMMAND it!

Ed Buckner

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants--and he asks for it explicitly, so we know he's the Satanist we always thunk he was..

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Ed Buckner

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants. He even asks for repeats!

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Georgia Libtrolls are so easy to control! AGAIN, Georgia Libtroll, AGAIN!!! Throw your little hissy fit!

Ted Gillis

Epps received his instructions from George Soros via a Power Point presentation that was sen

Ted Gillis

sent out via email. It should be easy to track them all down.

Gary Scoggin

I get my instructions from Soros on our weekly Zoom meeting.

Bailey Jones

I thought you looked familiar!

Jim Forsythe

Gary, and all that was on the zoom meeting, I'm sure that you remember when I asked George Soros, how he was able to do all that he does, year after year.

His answer was, I know how to manage my time and still have time left over to do things like reading the GDN.

I then asked him why he read the GDN, and he said, because he loves Carlos.

Ed Buckner

Oh, c'mon you guys--we've been asked to keep these things confidential--similar to the satanic covens Caroluser frequents.

Carlos Ponce

And once more we hear from the Georgia troll.

Ted Gillis

It’s that “given time”, and “wait and see comments” Carlos, that makes you appear like the proverbial street crier, wearing a cardboard A frame sign, hollering out that “the end is near”. It’s kind hard to keep a discussion going when you end your post with that.

Carlos Ponce

Actually it will read "REPENT, DEMOCRATS, REPENT!"

Ed Buckner

Bailey Jones, how does one go about getting a cool icon like yours rather than the dull white-on-grey heads and shoulders?

Bailey Jones

Well, first, one must have a cool backstory to go with said icon, then just click on your name which will take you to your profile page. Then click on "edit profile" and that's where you can upload an icon. These are PC instructions, it may be different on a mobile device.

(Backstory - years ago when I was an active blogger on Live Journal, my elderly aunt was the mayor of Wilton, Arkansas, and the "chief" of its "fire department". They practiced by burning down abandoned buildings, especially churches. I received an email from her one day saying, "Ed's stomach is getting better. We got some rain last week. Church burnings are going well."

And the rest is photoshop.)

BTW - the reason for my icon is simply so that I can scroll through the comments to more easily find mine.

Ed Buckner

Let's see if this works--I went with the spawn of Satan and George Soros, with a side of Karl Marx. Whaddyathink?

Bailey Jones

A frightful visage.

Ed Buckner

So, Bailey Jones, it worked then?

Bailey Jones

I can see it.

Ed Buckner

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Ed Buckner

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

And once more I prove I can control the Georgia Libtroll! Post it again! I COMMAND IT!

Ed Buckner

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Excellent! From halfway across the fruited plain the Georgia Libtroll did exactly as I commanded! Now Eddie the Georgia Libtroll... AGAIN!

Ed Buckner

It's surely worth noting that Carlos Ponce is apparently eager to see this post about him, suggesting it includes solid truths about him. I'm a patient man, so if he keeps asking for it, he'll keep getting it. Let's see, shall we?

Ed Buckner

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

And please note, I'm struggling to try to keep from intimidating Bailey Jones. Is this better, Bailey?

Carlos Ponce

That's a good Libtroll! Give yourself a scratch behind the ears (I can't reach all the way to Georgia). AGAIN!

By the way, remind yourself you told us NOT to take you seriously especially in matters relating to yours truly. So we won't.

Carlos Ponce

Georgia Libtroll posts "It's surely worth noting that Carlos Ponce is apparently eager to see this post about him, suggesting it includes solid truths about him. " You told us not to take you seriously! So we won't!

Carlos Ponce

Was it Charlie Daniels who told us "The Devil went down to Georgia"?

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce is so pleased with the attention that he doesn't realize how clearly it pigeonholes him where he belongs: as unworthy of argument. And i'm pleased he's pleased. So, onward--

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Ed Buckner

If there's anyone out there in Daily News land who's still reading the back-and-forth silliness between Carolus and me, let me know, OK? And, on request--

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Yes, Charlie Daniels wrote and performed "The Devil Went Down to Georgia".

Ed Buckner

One thing we can be sure of--if anyone knows about the "Devil," it's Satanist Carlos Ponce. And he demands that I remind everyone of this, s0--

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it. Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Again, Ed Buckner, the Georgia Libtroll, gets it ALL WRONG!

Ed Buckner

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

The Georgia Libtroll gets an "F" for FAILURE!

Ed Buckner

One wonders--well I do, at least--how many times Carlos Ponce will request that I post these self-evident truths. Still counting--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Live from GEORGIA! The Georgia Libtroll reveals his true self.... and it's not pretty![scared]

Ed Buckner

Well, I've lost count--and he hasn't stopped yet. He keeps asking for this.

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

You lost count.... that happens in old age, and you've missed some, too!

Ed Buckner

Don't get me started on my infirmities--76 trips around the sun'll do that to a guy. But--

Well, I've lost count--and he hasn't stopped yet. He keeps asking for this.

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner, it took you long enough! But an old man needs his sleep.. I pray Jesus visit you in your sleep. Pleasant Dreams!

Ed Buckner

Sleep can be a rare and precious commodity, Mr. Ponce. Don't go trying to interrupt mine with your religious claptrap. But i do apologize for not getting your requested comeuppance posted sooner. I'll try to do better--

Don't get me started on my infirmities--76 trips around the sun'll do that to a guy. But--

Well, I've lost count--and he hasn't stopped yet. He keeps asking for this.

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

May Jesus visit you in dreams![beam][beam]

Ed Buckner

Astonishingly (to me), Rebecca Solnit has described Carlos Ponce in some detail in the NYTimes. Ponce must be proud to have made the big time this way--

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opinion/republicans-trump-lies.html

Carlos Ponce

As Ed Buckner pointed out earlier, don't take him seriously.

Ed Buckner

I wonder if Mr. Young is appreciative of our strenuous efforts to set the record for number of comments in response to an opinion piece? I hope so. Of course, I'm pretty sure that he, like everyone else except Mr. Satanist and me has a life and has moved on.

Carlos Ponce

Since I am not a "satanist" then you should have no qualms.[beam]

Ed Buckner

One thing anyone can count on about Satanists--they'll be quite likely to deny they're Satanists.

Mr. Ponce has accused me of missing some of his posts, and, as I'm old and easily confused, perhaps he's right. I'll try to make up for it by telling the truth on him some more--

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Is Ed Buckner a Satanist?

Ed Buckner

There's no question, despite the fact that he coyly denies it sometimes. I don't think Satan exists; Carlos Ponce worships him. Therefore, Ponce is the Satanist. He won't even try to prove otherwise--you'll see.

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

I asked, "Is Ed Buckner a Satanist?"

Ed Buckner replied, "There's no question...."

Ed Buckner

One thing anyone can count on about Satanists--they'll be quite likely to claim others are Satanists, when everyone knows 'tis they who are Satanists.

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of repeatedly proven self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Ed Buckner

As anyone who knows me already knows, I don't accept religious good wishes from Satanists.

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Yes, you've missed some.

Carlos Ponce

That's not true but then again, Ed Buckner posted not to take him seriously. But thank you getting caught up.

Ed Buckner

Mr. Ponce has accused me of missing some of his posts, and, as I'm old and easily confused, perhaps he's right. I'll try to make up for it by telling the truth on him some more--

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Ed Buckner

Mr. Ponce has accused me of missing some of his posts, and, as I'm old and easily confused, perhaps he's right. I'll try to make up for it by telling the truth on him some more--

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

But Ed Buckner posted he caught up!

Ed Buckner

We're gonna hit 200 comments--you'll see!

Ed Buckner

Carlos, no one--and I mean, no one--is still reading our posts here. So go ahead and admit you're a Satanist and in fact not even a Christian. No one will know--and I won't tell. Also, you can admit that you're doing everything you can to make Trump fans look bad--everyone already knows that, anyway.

Mr. Ponce has accused me of missing some of his posts, and, as I'm old and easily confused, perhaps he's right. I'll try to make up for it by telling the truth on him some more--

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

I find your meaningless posts revealing.... about you! Pleasant dreams tonight!

Ed Buckner

Professor at the University of Sydney was giving a lecture on 'Involuntary Muscular Contractions' to his first year medical students. Realising this was not the most riveting subject, the professor decided to lighten the mood slightly.

He pointed to a young woman in the front row and said, 'Do you know what your arsehole is doing while you're having an orgasm?

She replied, 'Probably fishing with his mates.'

It took 45 minutes to restore order in the classroom.

Ed Buckner

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

No self loathing, Ed Buckner. The Bible says, "I am fearfully and wonderfully made." Who am I to argue?

Ed Buckner

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of proven self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Pleasant Dreams.......

Ed Buckner

I think the psychologists have some explanation or term for the kind of proven self-loathing Carlos Ponce exhibits, repeatedly seeking to be effectively denounced for his obvious flaws, but I don't know what the term they use is.

In any case--

Herewith, by request, certified true and of good report declarations on Carlos Ponce--certified by Mr. Ponce himself, in fact:

Here is what I will post *every* time Carlos Ponce directs any comment my way or whenever he requests it.

Ponce is not an honest disagreeing interlocutor, he is a disreputable flinger of manure, monkey-in-the-zoo style. There is no way to know what he really thinks or believes, whether he is (as appears to be true) a self-admitted Satanist or a devout Christian, a conservative or merely a grifter seeking attention no matter what, because he is wholly unreliable—the very definition of an unreliable witness, as willing to bring false “facts” and misinformation to a post as to be accurate or meaningful. (If he somehow musters up the wisdom to simply ignore me, I affirm that I will return the favor.) Every single time he mentions my name or posts about a comment I make, these paragraphs will appear below his—and since he is now on notice that this will happen, we can be sure that that is exactly what he wants.

Let me add for any others who may read this: I’m fine with—in fact usually enjoy—debate, give-and-take, discussion with folks with whom I disagree. Disagreement is not a problem for me. But anyone who wants discussion needs to focus on actual disagreements and treat me as someone who can be trusted to speak the truth (especially about what I think), not as an enemy. And anyone who does that will, I pledge, get the same from me.

Carlos Ponce

Did you sleep well, Ed Buckner?

Thomas Carpenter

Then pay your bet.

Carlos Ponce

Thomas Carpenter, stay in your lane.

Ed Buckner

Mr. Carpenter, surely you know by now that welshers can be infuriated if you call them out on their dishonesty and grift? Luckily, their fury is usually impotent.

Ed Buckner

For a better understanding of why Harry Young is right and why some of the mindless locals disagree, here's an incisive piece from the NYTimes that is dispositive (only for those who can and will read, of course):

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/opinion/jan-6-christian-nationalism.html

Ed Buckner

More analysis of Carlos, et al.-- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/06/capitol-attack-coup-attempt-trump-far-right-republicans?

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