The United States cannot accept all these illegal aliens crossing the southern border. One solution proposed by both my two daughters is to immediately put parents and children on a plane and send them home to Central America or wherever they have come from and send them home.

I am willing to pay for them to go home — but not for them to stay here at a cost of $35,000 per person, per year. There is no reason they all cannot be sent back home right away.

Ray Holbrook

Santa Fe

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(70) comments

Steve Fouga

After due process, right? If determined to be an asylum seeker, can't send them home. After being charged as a criminal, must be given due process. In the mean time, can't separate families, by executive order.

Carlos Ponce

Steve, they will all CLAIM to be asylum seekers. Determining the truth will take time. Why did the Obama administration separate "families". Their reasons were legit. Seems that before they were keeping minors with child traffickers, sex traffickers, child labor traffickers who claimed to be the minors' parent - and sometimes the trafficker WAS the parent. Same thing happens on this side of the border. Remember Reba McEntire's song "Fancy"?
"Here's your one chance, Fancy, don't let me down
Lord forgive me for what I do, but if you want out
Well it's up to you"

Emile Pope

It does a disservice to compare the actions by the Obama administration to the barbaric treatment specifically designed by the trump administration to cause as much hardship to asylum seekers. Enough of this "what about" false equivalency used to try and justify sessions actions. Charging asylum seekers with a felony and using that to justify taking their children? What other country penalizes people coming to their country, legally or illegally, by taking their children? Oh yes, Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang's country of Vulgaria. They even put them in cages...

Carlos Ponce

"It does a disservice to compare the actions by the Obama administration to the barbaric treatment specifically designed by the trump administration to cause as much hardship to asylum seekers."
What Barbaric treatment? If you cannot come up with verifiable specifics your notation is worthless.

Emile Pope

The fact that you don't see it speaks volumes...

George Croix

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b0dafa31ae66245008b4885-960-480.jpg

This is awful.
This is terrible.
Trump should be ashamed for this.........2014 photo....??

Same things then, no outrage then.....
Foe Knee Bull O Knee 'outrage' now.....

Steve Fouga

"Steve, they will all CLAIM to be asylum seekers. Determining the truth will take time."

Absolutely right, Carlos. They had better get some prosecutors and judges to the border and get to work.

Peggy Schultz

Totally agree- let’s write our reps & President NOW! Especially since you’re offering to pay! TY!!

Gary Miller

Ray! The legitimate asylum seekers should be given a chance to make their case to stay. It does little good to deport MS13 members, they just keep coming back. Two groups that deserve different solutions. MS13 I would put on a desert Island without water or food and tell them to survive as best as they can. Asylum seekers really running from danger might become very good citizens eager to help their new homeland. Between these there are many other migrants with unique needs and values. The US still needs new immigrants and should be smart enough to accept the best and reject the worst. An immigration system that lets us choose who gets in legally is needed. The present system giving special interest groups, like Democrats wanting new voters or Chamber of commerce wanting cheep labor, should be eliminated completely.

Randy Chapman

Why does the US need new immigrants? And we already have a system in place to handle legal immigrants. What we don't need is illegal, unskilled, new mouths for the welfare system to deal with. The majority of Nicaraguans, Guatemalans, and El Salvadorans sneaking in are unskilled indigenous natives with no or little education.

Carlos Ponce

A plane trip sounds humane. Parents placing their children atop freight trains to get here is child abuse.

Jarvis Buckley

Bobbie Gentry Carlos😀

George Croix

Since it's so hard for so many to understand or so easy to just ignore immigration law, let's try to put it in 'effects me' perspective.
You're in your doctors office waiting patiently (no pun) for your appointment 2 hours ago, when the back door to the place opens and a whole family walks in, goes right to the Dr.'s office, and everybody waiting by the rules just waits longer.
Oh, and they don't have to pay.
A group breaks in the front of the wrapped around the block movie line, and the folks waiting in line can just wait longer. Free tickets for them, too.
The people into the restaurant for a half hour get served after the most recent arrivals - same thing ordered. Your ketchup is taken because they need it.
You're waiting for the doors to open for a Black Friday sale, while some shoppers go in a side door and get checked out before official opening time...with first choices of items that are supposed to be for all shoppers following the rules to have an equal chance at.
Your kid is paying full fees and tuition to go to college, while other kids not even supposed to be in the country are getting financial aid...oh, wait, that one is a real one......

Steve Fouga

I'll add one more: You're a citizen of Nicaragua, and you have been threatened with your daughter's death by a drug cartel, for failing to pay protection money. You know there is a possibility of a job that provides a far better and safer lifestyle for your family, if only you can make it to America. You are willing to work, and you know the risks of the journey are less than the certainty you and your family will be killed where you are now.

If I were in that situation, because of an accident of birth, I wouldn't give a flying F about U.S. immigration policy. I'd do whatever it took to get to America. What would you do?

Emile Pope

Actually they're seeking asylum. And they can't go to the place to claim it because they aren't accepting anyone. Let's say that you are driving away from someone who is trying to harm you. In order to escape you have to drive over the speed limit. The cop pulls you over, takes your child, and then drives away. Sounds about right. Just to listen to people trying to justify this unspeakable cruelty is sickening.

Randy Chapman

The world is not a fair place. Sometimes you have to stop being a bleeding heart and understand that life is not fair. Sure, it sucks, but the United States is not the world's nanny. Everyone cant come here and get a trophy.

Steve Fouga

"Sometimes you have to stop being a bleeding heart and understand that life is not fair."

Yes, and sometimes we don't. This is one of the times we don't.

Lisa Blair

Of course since the Trump administration has no process for reuniting children with their parents we can just load up planes full of 4 year olds, fly them into Honduras, the most dangerous country in the world, and let them fend for themselves when they get there. Fits right in to the rest of Trump immigration policy. Y’all should go to church now.

Carlos Ponce

"the Trump administration has no process for reuniting children with their parents"
Lisa, that's not true. If worse comes to worse they can fly them to their patria and let church leaders discover their parents. They will not fend for themselves.

Emile Pope

Because that would be the "christian" thing to do? Dump them and hope that someone else will take care of them. You seek asylum and have your children taken from you. Then they fly them to another country and you have to hope that someone there will take the time to locate you (wherever you are) and reunite you. Hard to believe that someone would propose something so barbaric.

Carlos Ponce

Leave them with the Church, parents, government officials, etc in their native lands. Only an idiot would think they would just be "dumped".

Emile Pope

Better than the people who would be comfortable with it being done...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, the only asylum seekers who are separated from their children are CRIMINALS.
Father is an MS-13 gang member, Father or mother has a past American history of criminal activity, Father or mother is delivering their child to be used for child sex, child labor, or to a high bidder seeking a child. IT HAPPENS!

Debra Criss

I am embarrassed that I ever voted for you Ray. Undocumented children and their asylum seeking parents are not "aliens." Your plan is inhumane, disgusting and would likely send children to their death. Bless your heart.

Carlos Ponce

I bet Debra you only voted for him because he had a "D" by his name.
"Undocumented children and their asylum seeking parents are not 'aliens.' "
Yes they are aliens. So was my mother. Nothing wrong with it.
Definition of "alien": noun - a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living:
verb - belonging to a foreign country or nation.

Bill Cochrane

Lisa, you just don’t get it. The Trump administration, and administrations before Trump have had a “process” for these very people to come to the United States and apply for citizenship. Just like your and my great, great grandparents did. These folks are breaking the law. They want to enter without applying for citizenship. They do not want social security numbers. They do not want to pay taxes. Do you really think these families are standing in line to become citizens, and Donald Trump snatches them out of line and arrests them? They are detained (politically correct for arrested) because they broke the law. If you break the law you must pay the price. If you take your children with you when you break the law, the children will be taken away from you because you are not a fit mother.

Lisa Blair

Yeah, I don’t get it. Literally 80% of the WORLD agrees with me and disagrees with you. But I don’t get it. Lol.

Rusty Schroeder

Why don't you put a sign on the doors of your restaurant denying service to Trump supporters? Or better yet, take the same position as Starbucks and let anyone in to use the restroom and sit at a table without purchasing anything? There you go Lisa, sounds totally fair to me since it is your opinion for the country. Come on, lets start the practice this weekend [thumbup][yawn][wink]

Emile Pope

Who would read it to them?

Carlos Ponce

"Who would read it to them?"
In Galveston County which voted overwhelming for Trump that sign would be a death knell.

Rusty Schroeder

Emile I would be glad too, while holding a sign with Lisa's stance on OUR President and immigration laws. Wanna join me ? Still waiting on Lisa to agree to public loitering in The Sunflower since that is her belief the way the WORLD should be, yep.

Rusty Schroeder

80% of the WORLD? You think pretty highly of yourself, do ya'll have free wi-fi at the Café? I might want to check my email while loitering there, I know you are going to allow it since it is your stance. I might even bring in some of the cities homeless, they can take a sponge bath in the restroom while there.

George Croix

80%?
Isn't that pretty much the percent of the world that THIS country has bailed out of trouble in the past at one time or another?
Why, yes, I believe it just might be.
We didn't do it by 'protest marching' to help them.....[whistling][rolleyes][lol]

Carlos Ponce

"Literally 80% of the WORLD agrees with me..." Sounds like hyperbole not fact.
Back it up or take it back. I'd bet 80% of the world doesn't even know.

Jim Forsythe

If you are not aware of the process of law, for people to apply for asylum, you may want to review the link below. We can not just send a asylum seeker back, without going through the process.

Obtaining Asylum in the United States
The two ways of obtaining asylum in the United States are through the affirmative process and defensive process.
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states


Michael Jozwiak

I am so ashamed of the racism and just a general lack of human decency in this county. Just melt down the Statue of Liberty and make more pennies.

George Croix

A little praying about why it's OK for Joe to do the same things decried against Jack might be a good thing.....

George Croix

What was the need for the race baiting, Michael?
It

Lisa Blair

If it walks like a racist and it talks like a racist.....

George Croix

Do ya'll get, like, a free tee shirt or something with the number for the bait shop on it?

George Croix

ps:
Such comments, Lisa and Michael, are exactly why some real acts of racism are discounted or at least wondered about as to veracity by people sick to death of simplistic hot button labels attached to everything in an effort to shut down discourse, by people, imo, with nothing to support their position except deflections and alimentary sourced conclusions.
ALL of the people in the subject of this discussion are of Hispanic origin, so, any opposition to illegal entry to the country is racist?
Unfixable.....no, make that just plain stupid, outright.
Dont like that? I don't care.
I've had it with such mindless and dishonest crap...
But, that's just me...

Lisa Blair

Womp. Womp.

Emile Pope

Discourse? Taking away the children of people seeking asylum doesn't deserve discourse. There needs to be prison for the people who take them away and scorn for the people who support it. This isn't pre-war Germany so how can anyone support this cruelty?

George Croix

Why don't you ask your man Obama why he did it. Maybe you'd believe him...

Emile Pope

He didn't...

George Croix

PROVE he didn't...it's your statement.....[beam][beam][beam][beam]

[whistling][rolleyes]

Carlos Ponce

The only children taken from their accompanying adult are:
1. Those where familial relationships are questionable.
2. Those where the adult or parent pose a danger to the child.
3. Those where the parent is facing criminal proceedings (Same thing happens to citizens).
These are the same three reasons given by the Obama administration.
http://immigrationimpact.com/2014/06/26/thousands-of-u-s-citizen-children-separated-from-parents-ice-records-show/
http://www.gingrichproductions.com/2014/06/obamas-insane-illegal-immigration-policy/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/fate-of-obamas-immigration-actions-goes-to-supreme-court
http://populardemocracy.org/campaign/combating-family-separation-deportation

Emile Pope

Garbage. The third reason is the cruelty. They immediately charge the parent with a FELONY and take away their child. When did anyone else do this? You don't say that the "criminal charge" is seeking asylum. More useless garbage...

Carlos Ponce

"The third reason is the cruelty." The third charge is not seeking asylum. Border Chief Manuel Padilla gives this example:
"I'm going to give you an example: Because we were releasing family units, May 2, just last month, we had a full-blown MS-13 (gang member) accompanied by his one-year-old child. He thought he was going get released into the community; that was not the case."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/zero-tolerance-policy-immigration-texas-manny-padilla-border-patrol-chief/
Chief Padilla would classify your post as "misinformation".

George Croix

You and Corey both, huh......
Now, that's funny.......[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Anne Reiswerg

Whether you are for or against our president and no matter what you think of him as a person, he and the republican party have been going on about immigration legislation for two years...and how we are the laughing stock of America.
He campaigned on it.
Why don't they have anything to put through after two years? They hold house majority and the presidency. Its theirs to win.

Carlos Ponce

They need to go to a simple majority rule in the Senate. Relying on 60 votes isn't getting us anywhere.

George Croix

They will go to 51 votes....
Just as soon as the Democrats have the majority.
MCConnell is a fool to think otherwise, and is totally blowing a chance to do what's right for progress in this country, rather than what's 'progressive'.....

George Croix

Because, Anne, they don't have 60 votes in the Senate, and the Senate and the House must approve any law that is to become law ready for any President to sign.
Minority Leader Schumer refuses to even allow debate, despite the fact that a few months ago he led a government shutdown over immigration, then backed off after 2 days. He wants, and has the Senate power of the minority to get it, to refuse any effort for actual reform then use that as an election wedge issue.
Rank hypocrisy....

Emile Pope

Like the debate they had in the Senate about gun control. Oh right, the Republicans refused to allow it. Such hypocrisy.

George Croix

You're a little late on that, Pope, the subject being illegal aliens and the desire for Democrats to import as amny as possible:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/15/482182468/live-video-democrats-to-hold-floor-indefinitely-in-push-for-gun-control

This is but one of many times in the past few years during the Senate being in majority Rep control that the Dems have been on the floor pushing for 'gun control' because they favor ideology over useful solutions.....

Any 10 year old can help find more of them.....

George Croix

Forgot to add to your attempt at equivalency Pope that the Republicans are on record and up front about opposing useless gun control laws, while BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are on record wanting to work on immigration reform. Chuck himself shut down the government a few months ago for a couple days over it, now he says he won't allow it to go forward.
See the difference?
Of course you won't.....

Carlos Ponce

Emile posts: "Oh right, the Republicans refused to allow it (gun control debate). It happened Emile. You must have fallen asleep watching C-SPAN.
Read "Gun control push bogs down quickly in Senate-
Democrats aren’t satisfied with narrow proposals backed by the NRA, and some conservative Republicans are balking at even modest measures." 02/26/2018
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/26/gun-debate-in-congress-425352

Gary Miller

Anne! Money? Immigration laws wanted by the majority of Americans are corrupted by money from Democrats wanting new voters and the US Chamber of commerce wanting cheep labor and lower wages.

Claudia Burnam

The ignorance of these left-wingers is astounding! E G Wiley

George Croix

Nah. They just know a lot that isn't so.

Reagan was right....

Debra Criss

Carlos, I was talking to Ray, not you. Bless your heart. For the record, I would be embarrassed about voting for anyone shares his opinion.

Carlos Ponce

I know that Debra. We ALL know. Vote for whomever you want. I always vote for the best candidate available. People with a "D" usually don't make my final cut nor that of Galveston County voters.

John Crocker

This Judge is an ultra-conservative Christian, anti-immigrant, anti-races other than white, anti-gay, anti-liberals (of course), anti-humane, merciful justice. Perhaps he should read the Bible more judiciously --not just the Old Testament. He might consider investing his retired time in reading the New Testament so he understands what Christ really said and meant.

Carlos Ponce

Thanks for your opinion but your assessment is way off target. He is a good man not the one you describe.

Gary Miller

John. You identify him according to your opinion. Same as the writers of the new testament. They wrote what they, not Christ, wanted you to think it was what HE said and thought.

George Croix

Gonna need more tee shirts....

George Croix

Well, the latest half-national hysteria if not downright insanity over any attempt to prioritize Americans over others is harassing people the 'resistance' doesn't agree with in restaurants and at their homes. The Presidential Press secretary and her family were kicked out of a Virginia restaurant by the manager, saying Sanders and her family were not welcome there because she worked for POTUS.

My old Uncle would say that's pooping where you eat, but the 'resistance' has gone so bat manure nutty that nest fouling is now their norm....

If those are the new rules, then all should follow them....
Don't do business with people who can't disagree without hating you for not thinking like them.....


Brian Tamney

what do you people think happens if an american shows up in another country without the right paperwork, you get your ass thrown out. and this is for seaman trying to join a boat and leave the country, not trying to move to the country.has happened to me where i couldnt rejoin my vessel because we spent longer than anticipated in trinidad, and didnt have a visa to go back, also happened to a friend who flew to brazil to join a ship sailing to africa next day but didnt have a visa and was put on next flight back to US. apparently we are only country without laws.

George Croix

The border issue is just another case of many where Hillary's folks display their hypocrisy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxZIuFZEmA

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