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Allison Buchtien

There would probably be less dead people if these mass murderers didn't use guns. What if all they had was a knife?

Carlos Ponce

Allison, there are more murders committed by knives than rifles according to the FBI. In Texas for instance in 2016 (Latest Data Available) there were 51 killings by rifle but 175 by knife.
But if he didn't use a firearm would there be less death if he bombed the school? The death of anyone at school is terrible. The choice of weapon is not really an issue here.
What happened was horrible. There were too many red flags to indicate this boy needed help. Two people spoke up. They were practically ignored. But if ALL the students, teachers, administrators, coaches, etc. who knew this boy was troubled spoke up then those whispers would have become a SHOUT. Why did they keep silent?

Emile Pope

How many mass murders were committed by people using knives?

Carlos Ponce

33 killed, 143 wounded in China but there were at least 10 attackers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html
Although no fatalities there were 15 stabbed at Lone Star College in Houston, Texas in 2013.
Category:Mass stabbings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_stabbings
School attacks in China (2010–12)
But this list includes mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%9312)
List of school massacres by death toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll
Stabbings are grouped as melee weapons, like knives, swords, spears, machetes, axes, clubs, rods, rocks, or bare hands.

Emile Pope

10 attackers. What if there had been 10 attackers in Florida? In Las Vegas? What if the attackers in China had AK-47s with 50 round magazines and bump stocks?

Carlos Ponce

Did you count up all the deaths by knives, Emile? Seems that mass murder by stabbing is more common in the far east. It doesn't matter. A person who intends to kill many will use what weapon is available to him. Note the HUNDREDS killed in mosques in the Middle East by different sect Muslims. Only a few used guns.

PD Hyatt

What if all they had was a semi truck and drove through the schools. What most of the gun haters do not ask is how are we going to protect ourselves from a mental patient (which most of the shooters have been) or criminals from doing a premeditated mass killing? Answer is that you can't.... Look to Chicago, New York, Philly, Washington D.C. New Orleans and other major cities controlled by demon-crats.... They wantonly slaughter their own with out regard and they have extremely tough gun control laws.... Criminals do not care about laws, and when you make something a gun free zone you tell the world that no one is armed and you can do as you want until the police get there.... Sort of like your home, you are on your own until you can call for help and it arrives.... We should kill all of the gun free zones and stop telling idiots that they can come here to kill, steal and destroy because there is NO ONE who can stop you....
BTW, have you put up a sign in your yard that says it is a gun free zone? If not why not? Chicken?

Emile Pope

The choice of weapons is the only issue. Bombs are illegal. AR-15s are not. Saying that a weapon designed for killing as many people as possible isn't responsible for the number of people being killed is laughable. Would the number of people killed be the same if he used a musket? A bow and arrow?

Doyle Beard

come on address the real issues.

PD Hyatt

Why is it that some whine and cry about the slaughtering of the school age children (which is horrible) and yet are the same ones who agree with the wanton slaughter of the innocent upon the altar of convenience that they call "choice"? What is the difference???? We have lost many to gun violence, yet we say nothing about the millions that have been slaughtered since the foolish ruling from SCOTUS back when they said is was cool to slaughter the innocent.... Before Obama had the government stop the counting of the slaughter the number was over 53 million and that was back in 2009.... I would imagine that now the number is well north of 62 million babies that have been slaughtered. Again tell us all how it is Ok to slaughter the innocent and yet whine when a few are slaughtered????

Doyle Beard

Right PD about the SCOTUS ruling. Killing is killing but self defense is justifiable. Abortion or shooting people (unless self defense) is immoral or illegal. People want to say its legal but just because the majority made a stupid ruling doesn't belittle the fact about taking a human life most of the time for convenience is moral.

Diane Turski

Apples and oranges as usual. Stick to the topic, please.

Doyle Beard

What did Tim McVeigh use, illegal bomb, now outlaw AR-15 and people will still get them or use bombs . Criminals have no regard for laws or human beings. Wake up.

Doyle Beard

We can enforce the rules we have now which would have prevented this so now lets make another rule to make us feel good. Authorities need to do their job. to do their job.

Gary Miller

The gun can't decide when or where or what it will be used for. It can't even decide when to fire. Those decisions must all be by the sick or evil person with a finger on the trigger. Identifying and limiting the actions of the sick and evil instead of blaming a blameless object is the only way to stop the violence.

PD Hyatt

What many are not thinking about when they want to take away our Constitutional rights is 1) Criminals do not obey the laws and they will get weapons. Most killings in the US that are done with guns are only around 10% bought legally the rest were obtained through the black market. 2) If we and when the leftists in this nation do take away our Constitutional right to own and bare arms, there is NOTHING else left to protect the rest of our and their rights that are guaranteed in our Constitution. The 2nd Amendment was not put in for hunting as so many of the progressive leftists want people to believe, it was put there for a very specific reason.... I would be willing to make a large bet that most of you who hate our nation and our Constitution do not even know why it was put in there.... 3) When the progressive leftists got there way and tossed our God out of the schools, the our government, then business, then they pushed until many of our Church's do not follow the Bible any more for they just want to tickle the ears of who comes to their service. When God as tossed from all of these and we started making STUPID laws like Gun Free Zones children started dying....There are many other reasons to list but I think those foolish to believe in gun control might understand where I am from and will stand for it forever....

Casey Alan

Although the A.R. 15 was introduced in 1959 it was illegal for any citizen to purchase an assult rifle of any kind from 1934 until 1994 when that law was abolished. In today’s world you can buy an assault rifle at Walmart, off the Internet, in a garage sale and even at gun shows with no background check. A 18 -year-old can buy an assault rifle but not a handgun. They also cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol. Guns were made for the sole purpose of killing. The more bullets it holds the more people can be shot at one time and more damage can be done. There should be more background checks. There should be checks and balances for the mentally unstable. There are commonsense laws that should be put in place. So let’s go back to the 50s and 60s when it was illegal to purchase those types of weapons. Lack of leadership does contribute to the chaos.

Doyle Beard

I got 2 assault rifles in the late 90s and haven't killed anyone yet. no one is taking them from me without a problem.

Emile Pope

Let me know how they work against predator drones and tanks if the government wanted them...

PD Hyatt

Why should not 18 year olds be allowed to buy a AR-15? After all they are allowed to join the military and go fight in our wars like my 19 year old nephew.... If they are not mentally aware by that age and can not buy a weapon then why are we allowing them to serve in our military? They can join to kill, but still can not drink nor can they buy a gun.... We have some pretty STUPID laws on our books. Just like people who think that a AR-15 is an assault weapon.... People who do have no CLUE about what an assault weapon is or what it can do.... People like that want to make laws that make no sense like people who think that a bump stock turns a weapon into a automatic weapon have no clue what they are talking about.... Besides if you really want to accurately shot a weapon, most can not do that with a bump stock on it....As far as people being mentally ill, I do believe that many who make the laws in our nation and make rulings on those laws are mentally unstable, especially the ones who are trying to destroy our Constitutional rights....If you want to give up your rights, by all means do it, but leave my to h*ll alone.... If you hate weapons so much put a gun free zone in front of your house so that everyone including the criminals will know you hate guns and do not want any on your property....

Gary Miller

There were almost no anti gun laws in the 50's or 60's or earlier. Back then I carried a 410 shotgun to school, kept it on a gun rack in class and hunted on my way home after school. There were few gun problems until Progressives started attacking guns and gun owners. We might solve our gun problems by getting rid of progressives.

Casey Alan

410 isn’t considered an assault weapon How do you suggest you get rid of Progressives who are attacking assaults weapons? Shooting them ?

Doyle Beard

.410 aren't illegal but trying to take one to school and you will get the treatment because it is as real gun. Anti gunners are mostly ignorant about firearms.

PD Hyatt

Duh, a AR-15 isn't an assault rifle.... People who know about guns, know this, but the rest of you don't have a clue about them....

Doyle Beard

Gary at age 14 I was personally purchased my first gun, a .410 gauge and hunted by myself. Of course that was back when commonsense prevailed.

PD Hyatt

I purchased mine when I was 12, but that was before the leftist haters of our nation changed the laws.... 2 of mine are not registered and never will be...

PD Hyatt

I hear you about that. We had rifles, shotguns in our cars when we went to school. As for people who don't think that is the same is the same people who have never touched a gun and don't know squat about them....

Mike Trube

Have we forgotten that when there was only a handful of people on the earth, there was a murder. Cain slew his brother Able. I also think there needs to be some sort of control over the glorification of guns and violence in songs, videos and movies. How many people get ideas from those? And I agree, I believe the fault lies with the schools themselves that fail to supply needed security. As the old saying goes, guns don't kill, people do. And you can't convince me the FBI did not have the knowledge to track down this young man. Is that the best this high ranking law enforcement agency can do? Really?

Bill Cochrane

Gun control is not the answer. I just emailed this.-
Dear President Trump,
I can understand the students outrage after the recent school shootings.
I join everyone that wants the Federal, State, County and City governments to do everything possible to assure our children’s safety.
After the Florida school shooting the children are protesting, and demanding changes be made. That’s important, and some changes need to be made.
But there are things that students can do besides protesting.
Many students with mental problems are responsible for a large percentage of the school shootings.
The kids in school, neighbors and even relatives of these killers usually admit that there were red flags that could have been reported to the proper authorities. Things like “he was a loner”, “he didn’t fit in with any group”, “acted strange”, “bragged about planning to kill”, “was seen killing animals”, “had a terrible temper”, “said things about revenge”, etc.
Why not form safety squads of students in every grade, in every school in every city to monitor and report signs of typical questionable behavior?
Students could go to the squad to report things without worrying about teacher involvement and being tagged as a rat. The squad would report it to the proper authorities. And we could use a neighborhood system like the squad to report these mentally disturbed killers.

Bill Cochrane

Mr Trube - The FBI? I have a website that I use to locate people. I entered Cruz name and state and found his home address in Parkland.

Mike Trube

Mr Cochrane, sorry I didn't sign my name, this is Connie. I watched on the news where the FBI agent stated that someone took a screenshot of the threat from the shooter on social media. That person sent it to the FBI. That agent stated they were unable to locate the person who made the threat. That's pure bs. Years ago, while on a chat site, there was a person making uneasy statements. The name he used was cedar junction. But by what he was telling, I was able to narrow down to where he might be. I called that police department in that state. The detective I spoke with told me he would send an email with the details. It was a very chilling 2 page email. This guy was the dad of a young man who was in prison for stabbing his mother's best friend 98 times. The detective told me to stay away from him. This guy was a retired police officer. The detective also told me this young man's trial was in Court TV. So, in this day and age where there's more ways to track people down, I find it hard that the FBI was not able to locate this shooter. The news stated the screenshot was sent to the FBI back on September 25th. Plenty of time to find him, wouldn't you think?

Connie

Randy Chapman

I would bet that if you lined up 3 weapons, a semi-auto Kalashnikov(AK-47), an AR-15, and a BAR(Browning Automatic Rifle), and asked liberals which was the more dangerous or deadly, they would pick the AK and AR over the Browning every time, simply because they are ignorant and the former 2 look so "scary."

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