Yes, there's a crisis at the border, and it's borne by the men, women and children of Central America who are fleeing the violence, hunger and fears wrought by fascistic governments and the cartels that prosper in those states.

How did this come into being? There's a long history of outside interference in the political affairs in those countries, predating even the era of the Banana Republics. More recently, the Reagan Republicans' criminal Iran Contra deal brought weapons and training to the oligarchs in Central America, guaranteeing the destruction of nascent democratic movements and continual violence and oppression of the people — a violent environment rooted in a criminal act 40 years ago, and the refugees continue to come here.

The border isn't a crisis for the United States. Immigrants who arrive are young, healthy and willing to work. Gov. Greg Abbott cut off unemployment funding to force people back to low-paying jobs. Apparently, there's plenty of work to do in entry-level positions.

Republicans continue to bray about a phony-baloney crisis, so they can build their phony-baloney wall and perpetuate their phony-baloney lies bashing the Democrats. The actual humanitarian crisis is perpetuated by the Republicans.

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Carlos Ponce

So wrong on many points, John Allen.

John E Sr. Macrini

Abusing Kool Aid.

Bill Broussard

Agreed Carlos. I am so disappointed in our brand new Vice President! One trip to a low density area of our boarder and a message that seems to say “ this will all have to wait until we can solve world hunger”. Really ignorant or just

Lazy

The VP’s actions to this accountability is as poorly done as the last VPs actions toward Covid spread. I have to assume in both cases their response was tempered by the then and now presidents cause no educated person in the VP role could be as inept as these two seem to have been

Carlos Ponce

Bill Broussard, I personally preferred Mike Pence over what is being called vice president today.

Bill Broussard

Some things just don’t need to be said Carlos. I’m sure you would prefer any conservative living or dead ( by the way, which was Pence—breathing or not?) to any Democrat. Like the corporations I work for, performance is my standard

Carlos Ponce

Performance is my standard, too

Bill Broussard

Carlos. Any endorsement you give is tainted by the fact that Pence is a devout Christian and you know it

Cheney was the last active VP we’ve had in my view and he did take us directly into Iraq. Since Cheney, every VP has seemed more like an organ grinder monkey than a key executive. Even though Mr Pence was almost assassinated in Feb, he’s out there again dancing and tipping his hat for tips

It looks like Biden is using the way he was raised trying to raise Harris….follow me around. The only thing about that model is he was not publicly assigned an Emergancy task by Obama with the world watching. Very different situations

Carlos Ponce

"Any endorsement you give is tainted by the fact that Pence is a devout Christian and you know it."

Oh, I get it! Bill Broussard is telling us Biden and Harris are not devout Christians!

Gary Miller

Bill> The El Paso airport isn't on the border, it's North east of El Paso, and the Office she visited was 8.5 miles from the border.

Bill Broussard

I was being generous. It’s pretty embarrassing

Don Schlessinger

Maybe he gets all his news from the liberal press. I'm not sure why he and others haven't visited the border areas most affected by the crisis for a first hand look at the situation. Could it be they're afraid of seeing what's actually happening?

Bill Broussard

Personally I think the no visitation is a function of all the press following—a factor our governor knows all too well

At the beginning of the Covid nightmare I watched the presidential briefings and —never mind the words—the music in the background was this guy didn’t know what to do. Bad news

I think something similar is going on with Biden and if he or his VP spent any time on the boarder the very first question they would be asked by ANY media would be “ what’s your plan” and they don’t have one. It would look like “I heard bleach kills the virus. perhaps we could use some way to flush out the virus?” to the world.

Carlos Ponce

"Personally I think the no visitation is a function of all the press following"

Same press as during the Trump years. CBP and ICE welcome the press and talk with them off the record. Why? Those now in charge are AFRAID of the truth! [scared]

Jarvis Buckley

Carlos I bet John Allen would not feel that way if he lived near the border.

Pete Nanos

You seem to be an expert on one thing .......phony baloney..

Gary Miller

Pete> ?

Don Schlessinger

Drive to the Valley and see for yourself. While there take time to ask Valley residents what they think.

Carlos Ponce

Examine the list of those recently captured. "700 had convictions for assault and battery; 34 were convicted of homicide; nearly 500 for burglary-related offenses; and more than 300 convicted of sexual offenses. Most of these individuals are returning to the United States illegally after deportations." as reported by Randy Clark, 32-year veteran of the United States Border Patrol.

Include in those numbers criminal elements from outside this hemisphere including terrorist from the Middle East.

From the Official Border Patrol Website: "U.S. Border Patrol agents assigned to the El Centro Sector arrested two Yemeni men within the last 2 months that were identified on a terrorism watch list." January 29, 2021 and March 30, 2021.

Not included are the "got aways", only the captured. And there are those who avoided capture or detection by slipping in while the Border Patrol was occupied due to the huge influx of illegals.

But Sgt Schultz says "I see NOTHING! NOTHING!"

Ron Woody

Mr. Ponce, I truly appreciate the Hogan's Heroes reference!

Bill Broussard

Carlos. I’m not certain about this but I think the law providing sanctuary was written to assist folks who were escaping immediate political and religious danger of harm or murder. I do not think it covers famine or “ wanting a better life”

Carlos Ponce

A high percentage of those seeking asylum were turned away because they do not qualify. But now that the current crop has been released into the country it will be foolhardy to think you can get many to appear before a judge.

Robert Braeking

Mr. Allen, Had the former Vice President not set out the welcome mat, dismantled the stay-in-Mexico policy, halted construction on the wall, halted deportations, and re-instituted catch-and-release, there would be no border crisis.

Ed Buckner

Good letter--well written and accurately argued, despite the naysayers--Mr. Allen.

Carlos Ponce

Your standards are your standards, Ed. Anything that casts Conservatives, Christians, etc. in a bad light constitutes what you term a "good letter".[rolleyes]

Ed Buckner

I am proud that, usually at least, I have high standards--and my standard for evidence is clear enough that I am quite confident that if a 3rd party, reasonably objective observer would review my comments just on this forum over the last six weeks, he'd find a number of examples of Christians and conservatives with whom I've agreed and who I have commented positively on the words they used. The many Christians and conservatives I know personally include people I love, people I admire, people I respect. It is true, however, that none of them--not one--confuses insults and piety with sound debate or thinks he or she can persuade others of their views or of the validity of their religion by lying or refusing to discuss things, much less by claiming any who disagree with them are idiots. The Bible believers among them take seriously 1 Peter 3:15 in ways that you apparently do not.

Carlos Ponce

Just wait, Ed Buckner.

Ed Buckner

For you to be honest and take facts and logic into account? For Trump to be inaugurated in August? For you to be willing to actually defend what you say and what you believe? Sorry--I'm already in my mid-70s, so I don't have enough time left to live to see any of that.

Carlos Ponce

Please Ed, don't do anything drastic when you hear Trump is reinstated as President!

Ed Buckner

Here's something drastic we could do--negage in a friendly wager on whether Trump will make it back to the Presidency. Oh, wait, you have a reputation for not paying up when you lose, so maybe not wise to wager with you, even on a sure thing like Trump not ever being Commander in Chief again--not in August, not in 2024, not ever.

Ed Buckner

"engage" not "negage"--I'm sure Carlos Ponce will leap on my error, oblivious to Matthew 7:3.

Ted Gillis

Carlos, you seem to think that these apprehensions you posted about would have ceased had there been a wall. I applaud these agents for doing their job with resources that they have. We should have double or triple the amount of agents we have now, and armed with the most sophisticated of surveillance devices, not a silly wall.

Carlos Ponce

These border agents are my source of information.

Don Schlessinger

Makes me wonder why the illegal alien camps set up by Biden have silly chain link fences around them.

Ted Gillis

Those aren’t border agents Carlos, those are Trumpers. They are the same guys that stormed the Capital. Get a better source.

Carlos Ponce

Ted Gillis disses our men in uniform!

Ted Gillis

If they are Trump supporters, yes I’ll diss them.

Carlos Ponce

Typical Liberal!

Ted Gillis

You look in the mirror much?

Carlos Ponce

Ted looks at the mirror and sees Michael Avanatti.

C. Patterson

I wait with bated breath on your piece laying out the facts that prove the insurrection of 1/6 ... oh wait, there isn't any. Some folks are just a little squishy with the facts and so explains this opinion piece.

C. Patterson

Ed Buckner

Facts? Facts! Here you go-- https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories#:~:text=It%20is%20regularly%20updated%2C%20and%20includes%20explicit%20language.,people%20dead%2C%20including%20a%20U.S.%20Capitol%20Police%20officer.

Carlos Ponce

NPR has had to retract stories for printing false claims.

Ed Buckner

All media sources inevitably make mistakes--the honest sources, like NPR, acknowledge their mistakes and retract incorrect stories.

Carlos Ponce

Yes, but the easily fooled repeat those mistakes before the mea culpas go out.

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce, expert on being easily fooled.

Carlos Ponce

Not from personal experience, Ed Buckner.

Ted Gillis

Michael Avanatti is a liar, a swindler, a bully, and a republican, and now he is going to jail. That would be who Donald Trump sees when he looks in the mirror.

Carlos Ponce

Not a Republican, Ted. He held a fundraiser at the Democrat "Wing Ding" in August. He was going to run for president on the Democrat ticket. The Washington Post listed him in the top 15 contenders for Democrat candidates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/09/top-democratic-presidential-candidates-ranked/

C. Patterson

Ed Buckner... not 1 person has been charged with “ insurrection”, no weapons were were present, the ONLY person who was murdered was Ashley Babbit by capital police. Shot in the head with NO WARNING even though there were a multiple officers within 6 feet of her. January 4, 2 days prior the Trump administration, specifically Former Defense Secretary Chief of Staff Cash Patel confirmed that the Pentagon offered National Guards Troops but both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser DECLINED the offer.

FBI was aware prior to Jan.6 that “ bad actors” as in Antifa were planning to pose as Trump supporters and act as agitators, John Sullivan was one of them. Dozens of video footage shows folks dressed in all black clothing to be the first to climb the wall and smash windows. One side of the building had officers welcoming them in and asking them to stay inside the velvet ropes. To add to the smoke and mirrors game is 14,000. hours of video footage evidence Pelosi refuses to release. Refuses to release the name of the officer who shot Babbit. And then the echo chamber of one news source after another claiming a Capital Police man had died because he was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher which was a total fabricated lie. Then Trump saying in what is protected speech, “ GO PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD” ... then there’s a huge problem with the timeline... from the time Trump said those words it would have been logistically impossible to make to the Capital to break in at the time it happened. These are the facts

Ed Buckner

So, C. Patterson, you clearly prefer your own fiction to actual facts. Got it.

C. Patterson

PROVE ME WRONG... Ill wait

Ed Buckner

C. Patterson, here's a fun little thought experiment for you: imagine that you actually thought antifa (not even an organization, but never mind) or Black Lives Matter were the ones storming the capitol on 6 January. Then imagine that Ashli Babbit, whose husband has said she was a "Strong supporter of President Trump" and who wore Trump and MAGA hats and other pro-Trump symbols in various photos, was instead a BLM protestor. Imagine that some of her fellow "peaceful protestors" broke out a window in a door leading in to Congressional space, and that she then climbed through it, shouting. Now convince me that you'd complain about her being shot.

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner, a BLM member (John Sullivan) was arrested in the Capitol for his instigating on January 6, 2021. Although BLM disavows he is a member, "On his websites and social media accounts, he has shared articles where he is described as a Black Lives Matter activist."

Ed Buckner

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/09/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-wrongly-claim-left-wing-activist-an/

Bill Broussard

This is funny I must admit. Carlos consistently posts what “those in the know” know directly from Fox, OAN, and occasional reference to Q anon beliefs like the rise of Trump in August on what has become “The Carlos” web page on the GCDN but never for an instant did I ever think he was a real human being

Similarly for Sullivan. Who cares or believes what Sullivan says on HIS website

Carlos Ponce

ED, the Utah state police say John Sullivan is a member of BLM. John Sullivan's own social media sayshe's a member. Eyewitnesses to the event describe his actions: "“We accomplished this s–t! We did this together. F–k yeah! We are all a part of this history!” he is quoted on his own video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W8GkJRrCVg

By the way, John Sullivan wore MAGA gear at the Capitol.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/01/16/robert-gehrke-what-we/

This from the Salt Lake Tribune:

"In June 2020, John attended his first Black Lives Matter event, according to Lex Scott, the founder of the Utah chapter of the group. Nobody had seen him before or knew who he was. Sullivan also started his own group, Insurgence USA, in response to the killing of George Floyd and he organized his first protest in Provo."

Look at brother James Sullivan's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp9oNr6HCxw

Text from John's brother, James:

“I’m currently working with the FBI to expose and place total blame on John and the 226 members of antifa that instigated the Capitol ‘riot’ I was able to get my agent out of trouble along with three other uthan’s.”

Ed Buckner

C. Patterson, PROVE you're logical or consistent--but I won't wait, as I don't have years and years and I'm skeptical that you'll even try.

Was it a Trump-inspired attack on the Capitol as seems to be indicated by Trump supporter Ashli Babbit crawling through a broken window to invade (and getting shot for her trouble)? Or was it an antifa, false flag operation, as seems to be indicated by... well, by nothing much?

Does C. Patterson approve of violently breaking into the US Capitol, or is he (she?--I don't claim to know) pro-police and pro-law and order?

Does C. Patterson think Trump is a reliable truth teller or does he admit that Trump told the assembled crowd that he would be going with them to the Capitol but never intended to do any such thing?

Does C. Patterson think the crowd wanted to string up VP Mike Pence then and there, or did they just say that he was a traitor just for effect, or because they were anti-fascists, or because Trump inspired them to hate Pence?

Looking forward to your ignoring my questions and retreating into your make-believe fantasy world.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump supporter Ashli Babbit crawling through a broken window" Video shows 12 year Air Force veteran Babbitt standing in front of a glass panel door when she was shot. No crawling and no window. Look for yourself:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce claims to be linking to the definitive video showing that Babitt was not trying to breach the door, but -- "WASHINGTON – The U.S. Capitol Police officer who fatally shot veteran Ashli Babbitt during the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol will not face charges after an investigation into the incident, the Justice Department said Wednesday.

Babbitt, a 35-year-old from San Diego, was trying to climb through a barricaded door near the House chamber when the officer, who has not yet been publicly identified, shot her in the left shoulder. She wore a Trump flag as a cape as she tried to crawl through the broken window when the shot was fired, then fell to the ground.

The Justice Department determined there was not enough evidence to prove that the officer who shot Babbitt did so unreasonably or in a manner that willfully deprived her of her civil rights. Rather, the investigation concluded the officer could reasonably believe he was firing in self-defense or in defense of members of Congress." The article continues, ""Officials examined video footage posted on social media, statements from the officer involved and other officers and witnesses to the events, physical evidence from the scene of the shooting, and the results of an autopsy," a release said.

Babbitt's family was notified of the decision Wednesday.

This from an April story-- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/14/capitol-police-officer-cleared-ashli-babbitt-riot-shooting/7223329002/

Officials examined video footage ...

Ed Buckner

And i should add, Carlos Ponce, that the video you linked to, posted on 9 January, was included in the later analysis AND that it doesn't show what you claim.

Carlos Ponce

Did you see the video????? No "crawl", no window".

Carlos Ponce

And the video shows EXACTLY what I posted.

Ed Buckner

"Babbitt standing in front of a glass panel door when she was shot"--nope

Carlos Ponce

Look at the video frame by frame.

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce, seriously, go back to the video YOU posted and play it again--repeat it if you need to--at the moment she was shot, she was part way up the door, about to try to crawl through. Was the guy who shot her a Capitol Police officer? Or a Mike Pence security detail guy (as I read somewhere)? I don't know. But the split seconds in the video reveal that she was shot as she was partway up the door. And besides that *fact* there is really no doubt that she was there as a Trump supporter, intent on breaking in to the inner part of the Capitol to stop the certification of the vote. If she'd've been a BLM protestor, you'd be cheering on the guy who shot her. Look at the video again, carefully.

Carlos Ponce

Ed, I've seen it. She is standing at the door when shot. That's not what the DOJ wants you to see. So they put out the false narrative you repeat. You should have seen it before you heard the false narrative. It's a technique used to convince people not to trust what they are actually seeing. If you were shown the number "13" with the "1" and the "3" close together but someone repeated "B" before viewing you would see that letter and not the number when presented.

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce, I'm quite familiar with the phenomenon you describe, the quite serious unreliability of eyewitness testimony, etc. Told to count basketballs and don't see the gorilla, etc. But it honestly is you who is suffering from it here. In the video--the one YOU posted and that I hadn't seen before--there is a shift of the camera's focus over to the left where the gun is pointed, then, just as the shot is fired, back to the right a split second before she falls back to the ground. Anyone can see this if they play it and watch that carefully. I missed it the first time I watched it. But it is there (I've seen, as others have, other videos from behind her, and in those it's clearer--but this one shows it also, for those who have eyes to see, as Mark 8:18 sez). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9oThRuMVs Any of these videos are hard to watch.

Carlos Ponce

Considering you heard the DOJ report (designed to justify the officer killing of a veteran) before you saw the video, it looks like your mind is taking what it is seeing and ignoring the facts.

Crawl - verb -To move slowly on the hands and knees or by dragging the body along the ground; creep.

Since her body falls back from an upright position as evident in the video can you realistically say she was "crawling".?

Now pull out your Joe Biden doll and pull the string, "Come on, man!"

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce, this is truly weird. YOU post a video that, if watched with care, disproves your irrelevant point, then you retreat into definition games. Of course if the only definition of crawling that is acceptable is "on the ground," she wasn't crawling--but so what. Any rational person can watch that video and see a person following up on other lawless breaking out of a door glass by trying to climb through and then being shot and falling back. You refuse to even look at the video with care, and won't, I know. But anyone else reading this is invited to do so. It's a poor quality amateur video and it happens very fast, so a quick watch of it may not seem to show her going up the door, but a careful examination does, as do other videos from other angles, more unmistakably.

Carlos Ponce

The video proves I am right.

Ed Buckner

I've engaged in hundreds of online debates, disagreements, and arguments. So many that I cannot be completely sure. But I *think* this is the first time I've had my opponent voluntarily provide the link, himself, that indisputably proves that I am right and he is wrong. ("indisputably--adverb

in a way that cannot be challenged or denied.

Not, of course, in a way that won't be denied--anyone can deny anything--just in a way that cannot be challenged or denied in such a way that a third party, uninvolved observer won't say, "Ed wins this one." Interesting.

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner hasn't proven anything. And I have proven my point, not his.

Answer these questions:

Why hasn't the DOJ revealed the name of the Capitol police office involved in the shooting of Ashli Babbitt? If their narrative is correct, then he would be exonerated.... but they REFUSE to release it.

Why hasn't the DOJ released the internal video from the officer's perspective? If the Air Force Veteran was going through the door going after the officer the video? Ashli's parents want to know too.

None of the DOJ's actions make sense if their narrative is to believed.

Ed Buckner

Repeat as needed--

I've engaged in hundreds of online debates, disagreements, and arguments. So many that I cannot be completely sure. But I *think* this is the first time I've had my opponent voluntarily provide the link, himself, that indisputably proves that I am right and he is wrong. ("indisputably--adverb

in a way that cannot be challenged or denied.

Not, of course, in a way that won't be denied--anyone can deny anything--just in a way that cannot be challenged or denied in such a way that a third party, uninvolved observer won't say, "Ed wins this one." Interesting.

Ed Buckner

Exactly 30 seconds into the video YOU posted we can see Ms. Babbit knocked off the door by the gunshot.

Carlos Ponce

In other words, Ed Buckner CONCEDES.

Ed Buckner

Ed Buckner CONCEDES that Carlos Ponce is entirely immune to evidence, facts, or logic, and that there is no point in reading what he says. Even with presented with indisputable evidence that he is mistaken, Carlos Ponce persists in his delusions.

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner conceded to a superior intellect.[beam]

Ted Gillis

They all prefer to live in their own echo chamber Ed.

Another one posting about Sullivan the "pied piper", who magically convinced all of these people to follow him and to attack the Capital.

Ted Gillis

So Avanatti is a democrat. No wonder he failed at it. His qualifications are all republican sounding.

Carlos Ponce

Not Republican sounding at all, Ted Gillis.

Ed Buckner

Edwin Edwards, 93, died today. His dying words: "Carlos Ponce is so slow, it takes him an hour and a half to watch 60 minutes."

Carlos Ponce

Calling Ed Buckner on that one. Unless you provide proof of Edwin Edwards' quote you owe the GCDN readers an apology.

Ed Buckner

He said it in front of millions of witnesses, including former President Donald J. Trump and current President Joseph R. Biden, as they shook hands and pledged to work together from now on-- on Fox News at 11:38 EDT today--what more proof do you need? Oh, that's right--you don't accept proof, even when you provided it yourself.

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner has ZERO credibility. Is that the way you debated in school - spewed a lot of LIES?

Ed Buckner

Edwin Edwards went on to explain, before he expired: "A good example of Mr. Ponce's slowness is that he was recently asked to look carefully at 30 seconds of videotape (that HE had linked to). It's been days now and he still hasn't managed it."

Carlos Ponce

I've seen it. I'm right, Ed Buckner is not.

Ed Buckner

Anyone interested in being more like the Great Debater, Carlos Ponce? He has set up a new Surefire How-to Institute of Triumph--only $24 a month. Sample lesson:

Carlos Ponce: "Texas did not become a State until 1937, and here's a web-page to prove I'm right-- https://texasourtexas.texaspbs.org/the-eras-of-texas/early-statehood/ "

History teacher at Clear Creek High School: "Uh, no--it happened in December 1845--and the link YOU provided proves you're wrong."

CP: "No it doesn't--it proves I'm right, as anyone with eyes to see and the ability to read can discover for themselves."

HT: "Nope. Go read it--the article YOU linked to--again. It proves the opposite of what you say."

CP: "Does not."

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner making up things as usual. Ed Buckner has ZERO credibility.

Ed Buckner

Interesting, doesn't everyone think? A guy commenting on someone else's credibility when he won't even look at the 30-second mark of the video HE linked to so he can learn he was wrong? Now that's ZERO credibility.

Ed Buckner

I debated in school--at CCHS, at Rice, and many, many times, formally and informally, since. Never once, in all those debates, did I produce myself the evidence that PROVED I was wrong.

Carlos Ponce

So a decent debater has devolved into a bully and a liar.

Carlos Ponce

Ed (the liar) posts "A guy commenting on someone else's credibility when he won't even look at the 30-second mark of the video HE linked to so he can learn he was wrong?" I looked at it and it shows I am truthful. You, on the other hand, have been brainwashed.

Ed Buckner

So, now Carlos Ponce has the unmitigated gall to call someone a liar just for pointing out that he--Ponce--said, "Video shows 12 year Air Force veteran Babbitt standing in front of a glass panel door when she was shot," when a careful viewer, watching the video that PONCE linked to, from 25 seconds into the tape to 32 seconds shows a woman knocked backwards off a door by being shot. NOT standing. Climbing. This is not a difference of opinion. Mr. Ponce is too dishonest to look again at what he posted.

Carlos Ponce

Ed (the Liar) Buckner. Let me put this in terms you can understand.

I looked, I looked, I looked.

I saw, I saw, I saw.

I was right, I was right, I was right.[beam]

Ed Buckner

You looked and looked and looked and you saw what wasn't there? Find anyone--your best friend, your clergyman, your neighbor, your fellow Trump supporter--ANYONE who will support you in this. Ask them to review the first 20 or 40 seconds of this for evidence that a woman standing peacefully in front of a door was shot (the link you posted)--there are other videos, from different angles, by other invaders, that show more clearly the Ashli Babbit was in fact trying to climb through the window--but even this one from you shows clearly that she was up on the door when she was hit--NOT standing in front of it. If you now watch it carefully--or if a friend does--and you admit you were mistaken, you can earn some respect from me, even though name-calling is pointless)-- https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572 No conservative or Christian I know personally would refuse to admit s/he had made a mistake.

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner, go eat a Georgia peach.

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce, thanks--we bought some Georgia peaches just today, and we certainly plan to eat them--preferably with some vanilla ice cream. But they need to ripen a bit more first (like bananas, they will continue to ripen if left alone after being picked). So you'll have time first to convert to honesty and to stop making Christians and conservatives look bad. Just-- You looked and looked and looked and you saw what wasn't there? Find anyone--your best friend, your clergyman, your neighbor, your fellow Trump supporter--ANYONE who will support you in this. Ask them to review the first 20 or 40 seconds of this for evidence that a woman standing peacefully in front of a door was shot (as you claim the video in the link you posted showed)--there are other videos, from different angles, by other invaders, that show more clearly the Ashli Babbit was in fact trying to climb through the window--but even this one from you shows clearly that she was up on the door when she was hit--NOT standing in front of it. If you now watch it carefully--or if a friend does--and you admit you were mistaken, you can earn some respect from me, even though name-calling is pointless)-- https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572 . No conservative or Christian I know personally would refuse to admit s/he had made a mistake.

Carlos Ponce

Ed Buckner, eat another Georgia peach.

Jim Forsythe

“Every time I’m in Georgia, I eat a peach for peace,” Duane Allman.

Bill Broussard

Ed and Carlos. I watched the video several times and couldn’t tell anything especially that she was just standing there. The camera seems to turn when the shot was fired

Having said that, Ed this video may provide some insight into Carlos.

https://www.nbcnews.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/gop-officials-confronted-with-evidence-of-maga-riot-lies-during-jan-6th-insurrection-114447429609

Ed Buckner

No sight impairment. If one honestly and slowly/carefully reviews the video Ponce linked to, watching carefully from 25 seconds in for 5 seconds or so, one will see the unfortunate Ashli Babbit get shot and fall back off the door she's climbing up. (I had to watch a couple of times to catch this--it is focused on very briefly by the photographer and easy to miss.) I am certainly not claiming that I have the knowledge to identify the person shot back off that door as Babbit, nor do I have any firsthand knowledge of who shot her or why. No one, least of all the woman up on the door, is standing around peacefully in this video.

Carlos Ponce

Go eat another peach. I hear they might improve your eyesight!

Jim Forsythe

She was trying to climb through the window of a barricaded door and she was told multiples times to stop. This is why she why she was shot.

Ed Buckner

You are of course correct, Jim Forsythe--and everyone, including Mr. Ponce, knows it. He thinks he has found a video that seems to show otherwise--but he didn't. If he were an honest and decent man, he'd man up and admit he erred, and defend his religious and political views on some more reasonable basis.

Carlos Ponce

Sounds like our Liberal friends are suffering from sight impairment.

Ed Buckner

Carlos Ponce looked and looked and looked and he saw what wasn't there? Find anyone, Mr. Ponce--your best friend, your clergyman, your neighbor, your fellow Trump supporter--ANYONE who will support you in this. Ask them to review the first 20 or 40 seconds of this for evidence that a woman standing peacefully in front of a door was shot (as you claim the video in the link you posted showed)--there are other videos, from different angles, by other invaders, that show more clearly the Ashli Babbit was in fact trying to climb through the window--but even this one from you shows clearly that she was up on the door when she was hit--NOT standing in front of it. If you now watch it carefully--or if a friend does--and you admit you were mistaken, you can earn some respect from me, even though name-calling is pointless)-- https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572 . No conservative or Christian I know personally would refuse to admit s/he had made a mistake. Maybe Carlos Ponce is a leftie irreligious woman trying to make Christians and conservatives look bad. (If so, I call on him to give it up--it's not credible that Christian conservatives would be THIS dishonest.) When you quit repeating your dishonesty, Carlos Ponce, THEN I'll quit pointing out your dishonesty. I'll still eat Georgia peaches, either way.

Ted Gillis

Gee, the next time I go the Museum, I think I’ll just break a window and crawl in the back way instead of through the front door like normal people do.

Ed Buckner

More insight on the Carlos Ponce phenomenon: A bit of insight into the continuing dangers of Trumpism (and the man Trump battles for last place among US Presidents, Andrew Johnson)--

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/13/opinion/jan-6-trump-impunity.html

Carlos Ponce

More nonsense from Ed Buckner. [rolleyes]

Carlos Ponce

By the way, Ed Buckner, give us your Liberal spin on the Georgia investigation on the tens of thousands who moved in state and voted twice, once for their old domicile and once for the new. Your tale is worth a laugh![beam]

Carlos Ponce

The author Ed Buckner chooses to read, Jamelle Bouie, wrote in Slate "there's no such thing as a good Trump voter". Ed Buckner tries to push off this nonsense on a county that overwhelmingly voted for President Trump in 2016 and 2020. Of course that rare bird, the Blue Galveston Countian will like what Bouie writes but they are so few of those so.

Gary Scoggin

Ed, a little advice. Stop trying to convince Carlos of anything. He is fact resistant and is too vain to admit to even the most obvious mistakes. Make your appoints to the reasonable people out there. This is a trap I fall into from time to time and I kick myself for doing it.

As the old saying goes, “Never argue with an idiot. He’ll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.”

Ed Buckner

Gary Scoggin, very good advice. I foolishly thought that since I had specific, incontrovertible proof on my side, it made sense to continue pushing--but Carlos Ponce counts it a a win for him if he posts last, regardless of facts, evidence, logic, etc. I will try harder to take your wise counsel, Mr. Scoggin.

Bailey Jones

Carlos is like the spoiled man-child he idolizes. Attention is the goal, it doesn't matter whether it's good or bad. Everyone here eventually comes to that same conclusion. He's a reliable source for the right-wing talking points that so many readers here thrive on, so occasionally responding with correct facts is a kind of public service. It's like cleaning up after the neighbor's dog - it's often necessary, but never satisfying. And he'll just be back tomorrow.

Gary Scoggin

Bailey - that is the perfect analogy. And notice whenever he gets silly, not even the other committed conservatives here come to his rescue.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin and Bailey Jones, [thumbdown][thumbdown]

Gary Scoggin

That really stung. Ouch!

Ed Buckner

Gary Scoggin--sensitive, new age guy after all.

Bailey Jones

Also, Ed, if you click on Opinion, then Reader Comments, then Messages, it's easy to scroll past the dregs and find people whose comments are worth reading and responding to. That's what I do. I have my favorites on both the left and the right that I enjoy engaging with. The rest is just echo chamber noise - I avoid it whenever possible.

Ed Buckner

Thanks, Mr. Jones--spot on points and telling analogy in re pet waste, too. Regards, Ed B.

Carlos Ponce

I've corrected Gary Scoggin's post:

Ed, a little advice. Stop trying to convince Carlos of anything. He is well educated and researches all he writes about. That's why several forum posters have urged him not to include fact based links.

Gary Scoggin

Bailey, you got that pooper scooper handy?

Carlos Ponce

Did Gary Scoggin have an accident?

Bailey Jones

Around here, always, Gary.

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