I'm surprised that The Daily News printed Robert Hart's letter stating that Donald Trump asking Ukraine to investigate the Bidens happened in 2016, as did his withholding military aid from the Ukraine — before he was president ("Democrats should stop blaming Trump," The Daily News, Dec. 17).

This is a lie.

Trump did both of these things in July/August 2019. A quick question to Google would have shown this.

Come on, Daily News. Quit printing obvious lies.

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Carlos Ponce

So what really happened before Trump became president? President Barack Obama from 2014 to 2017 offered non-lethal assistance to the Ukraine but not the military aid Poroshenko requested. Vice President Joe Biden threatened to withdraw monetary aid ($1 Billion) to the Ukraine unless they removed their prosecutor (Shokin) who happened to be investigating Burisma - a firm Hunter Biden was associated with. And Joe Biden implicated President Obama in this quid pro quo: "I said, nah, ... we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, ‘You have no authority. You’re not the president.’ … I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. ... I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bi***. He got fired."

According to the Los Angeles Times, "The vice president had planned to announce $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees for Ukraine. But en route to Kyiv on Air Force Two, Biden changed his mind. Biden and his staff rewrote the speech, removing the loan guarantees. In Kyiv, Biden privately informed Poroshenko of the decision and the demand: Fire Shokin, or you lose the loan guarantees. 'Poroshenko was clearly disappointed,' said Colin Kahl, Biden’s national security advisor at the time."

In an affidavit filed Sept. 4 in an Austrian court, fired prosecutor Shokin said Biden was motivated by his son’s connection to Burisma but offered no evidence.

"Ukraine’s current prosecutor general, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, said his office would revisit about 15 legal cases that were closed or had gone dormant in recent years, including several involving Burisma and the oligarch who controls it, Mykola Zlochevsky. Ryaboshapka said he would consider reopening any case that ended prematurely or improperly."

Jim Forsythe

Obama officials were debating whether to send lethal military equipment amid the conflict with Russia, particularly Javelin anti-tank missiles. Obama rejected a request from Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko for lethal aid in 2014, though the White House approved a $53 million aid package that included vehicles, patrol boats, body armor and night-vision goggles, as well as humanitarian assistance.

U.S. officials were concerned that providing the Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia. Key allies, including Germany, were not keen on sending weapons into the conflict zone, said Michael Kofman, an expert on Russia and senior research scientist at the CNA Corporation.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "U.S. officials were concerned that providing the Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia." In other words the Obama administration was afraid of upsetting Putin. Under Trump, Javelins were provided. Has the conflict between Russia and the Ukraine escalated?

Charles Douglas

You are right Jim about Germany and Obama being afraid to introduce lethal weapons into the conflict in Ukraine which would have benefited the Ukraine in a fight with Russia. I will tell you why. GERMANY is in bed with Russia, they are partners in a huge fuel pipeline project among other things. I have said before, we are waddling idiots for spending money on Germany, which is a rich nation able to pay their own way, who are cahooting with the same so call enemy who we are supposed to be protecting them from. Now as for Obama, it was a well known fact he had no stomach for fighting and he never missed a chance to prove it. Remember the Red-line incident in Syria? Remember after the invasion incident of the nation of Georgia? He had the audacity to introduce a stupid red reset button of cooperation with Russia, which probably caused Putin to know Obama and Crooked were harmless and afraid of him. So he took Crimea not long after that. Remember ISIS, ...how we had to coddle them, and make sure of their rights and so on? What did that Baddddd Mannnnnn do to ISIS when he took over? He BOMBED the &^% out of them, that's what he did to them. Then Trump turned around afterwards, and tracked down ABUL AL BAGHDADDI down and caused his demise after a weak stomached Obama had him locked up in IRAQ and ......wait for it....LET HIM GO FREE TO KILL, PILLAGE, AND RAPE AGAIN! They would not allow the parents of Karla Mueller to pay a ransom to get her back out of the HELL HOLE of rape and abuse coming from ISIS soldiers and BAGHDADDI himself, but he traded for a COWARD, and a DESERTER, by letting several high level enemy prisoners go to get the coward back. Now go figure that one.

Jim Forsythe

Ruslan Ryaboshapka, Ukraine’s prosecutor general, told reporters Friday that Ukrainian prosecutors were conducting an audit into 15 cases conducted by former prosecutors, all of which relate to Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of the gas company Burisma Holdings that hired Hunter Biden in 2014.

“We are reviewing all cases that were closed . . . to make a decision on whether this was illegal,” Ryaboshapka said in a press conference.

The cases that involved Burisma were closed in 2016 and centered around tax irregularities, not Hunter Biden’s appointment.

Carlos Ponce

How can it not involve Hunter Biden when he sat on the Burisma's board? Typical of corrupt businesses to place a "shield" on their board to avoid investigation. He's involved.

Jim Forsythe

The cases that involved Burisma were closed in 2016 and centered around tax irregularities, not Hunter Biden’s appointment.

Carlos Ponce

You don't get it Jim.

Emile Pope

Your president is officially impeached.

Carlos Ponce

And everyone knows this is a sham impeachment- hearsay evidence, Democrat chairmen not following the rules, etc. This was a purely political impeachment. I didn't think Democrats were STUPID enough to hand Trump another term but that's what is going to happen with this impeachment. You can dance and cheer today but come November don't be surprised when Trump is re-elected. He's still president and will not be removed from office until he serves his second term. Bye Bye Pelosi as speaker come January 2021. That's when the American patriots will cheer. Democrats have just committed political suicide.

Emile Pope

Yawn. More discarded talking points. Donald convicted himself...

Carlos Ponce

No, Emile. as usual you are just regurgitating Liberal talking points. Wait until the day after the November elections.

Gary Miller

Emile> Trump is impeached but it's Democrats going to prison.

Emile Pope

Apparently not. Look at the republican inmates...

Carlos Ponce

And none are in there because of anything done while working for Trump or his campaign,

Randy Chapman

Convicted? LOL Do you know how the process works? [rolleyes]

Emile Pope

Wrong.

Jim Forsythe

Trump has been impeached, but the Senate may never vote on his removal. He was impeached by the rule of the House, but the Republicans did not like the rules that were set. The Republicans get to set the rules if it is ever taken up in the Senate. This is the way it is laid out in the constitution . The faze of how the rules are set in the house are over.

If all you are worried about is getting reelected, I see your problem. Republicans are not the only American patriots! It a long time till the election next year and anything can happen.

Carlos Ponce

Nancy does not want to forward the impeachment results to the Senate so they can claim the president was impeached but not exonerated. She will release them if the Senate agrees to her terms. Is that quid pro quo or blackmail?

Charles Douglas

Jim, by next November, I predict you, Gary, Mike, And Mr. Jones will be Conservatives or at least Independents by then! You cannot be bombarded day in and day out with all these strong Conservatives, throwing rescue efforts yall's way and stay in the same party as SAN FRAN NAN!!!!! Did you see her trying to shoosh the Dems from clapping when they passed the impeachment vote? The woman is greatly dishonest! They actually think they are fooling the general public with all of what they are doing. Hey, yall just "HAUL-DOFF," and come on over to our side whenever yall get ready! Don't wait to long!!!!

Randy Chapman

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Keith Gray

But he still is ALL of our's President, and will remain. AND will be reelected despite the Democrat's feeble attempts and lies.

Randy Chapman

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Bailey Jones

It's worthwhile having GCDN print this type of nonsense if for no other reason than to bring it forward for correction. These ideas rarely originate in the minds of the letter writer - they come from fake media, which means they're rattling around in more than one head.

Paul Hyatt

I would be willing to bet that the ones who are loving it that the House of ignorance Impeached Pres. Trump would be screaming bloody murder if their rights to a fair and impartial trial was violated like Trump's was during the sham investigation of Pres. Trump. If this is not corrected then every President from this point forward will be impeached for NO REASON. Of course IMO this type of chaos is exactly what the democratic left is wanting our nation to come to. I would love for those who support this foolishness tell all of us exactly what the House has accomplished other than wasting 40+ million dollars trying to pull a coup and getting rid of a President from the day he was elected.... What have they done? NOTHING....

Emile Pope

Apparently you don't know the difference between an investigation and a trial. So, tell me what rights were violated?

Carlos Ponce

House rules were violated.

Emile Pope

Wrong. Totally wrong...

Carlos Ponce

Reagan was right: "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Jim Forsythe

What rules were violated in the House? What part of the Constitution was not followed?

How Congress Sets the Rules for Impeachment.

Both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate have the right to make their own rules governing their procedure, and to change those rules.

"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

Carlos Ponce

Jim must have missed the part where Chairman Nadler refused a "minority hearing day" as called for in the approved rules. Do a web search on "Nadler refuses Minority Hearing Day" to get up to speed.

Jim Forsythe

"minority hearing day" is not required.

Majority is in charge of who provides testimony.

As with all congressional hearings, Rule XI section 2(k)(8) states the “committee is the sole judge” as to whether a witness’s testimony is relevant to the committee hearing’s purpose. This means that should minority proposed witnesses provide testimony that a majority of committee members finds irrelevant or not germane, they can vote to adjourn.

"minority hearing day" is not required. This reality is just the latest example of why majority status is so critical within a majoritarian institution such as the House of Representatives. H.R.660 spells this out.

Democratic chairman, the ranking member’s prerogative is the final word.

For the impeachment inquiry specifically, by a vote of 232-196 the House agreed to H.R. 660 which outlines the committee procedures to be used in impeachment hearings. Vital for this purpose, section 4(c)(1) of the resolution states that the ranking member of the committee is authorized to choose witnesses for testimony, but with a critical caveat: the chair of the committee must concur with the ranking member’s choice. That is, without agreement from the Democratic chairman, the ranking member’s prerogative in this matter is effectively null.

Republicans are unlikely to get their witnesses to testify before the committee because they are in the minority .

In the end, whether because the Judiciary Committee votes on articles of impeachment prior to hosting formally requested minority witnesses or because the procedures outlined in H.R. 660 render the minority witness rule moot, Republicans are unlikely to get their witnesses to testify before the committee. This reality is just the latest example of why majority status is so critical within a majoritarian institution such as the House of Representatives.

Carlos Ponce

" 'minority hearing day' is not required." Yes it is!

"The Minority Witness Rule (Clause 2(j)(1) of Rule XI) - The Minority is entitled to one additional day of related hearings at which to call their own witnesses if a majority of the Minority Members make their demand before the committee�s hearing is gaveled closed."

https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/documents/Archives/class2_ho.htm

Jim Forsythe

Now that Trump is impeached, the time for rules changes is over. H.R. spells it out. H.R. 660 overrides the Minority Witness Rule (Clause 2(j)(1) of Rule XI) -

In the end, whether because the Judiciary Committee votes on articles of impeachment prior to hosting formally requested minority witnesses or because the procedures outlined in H.R. 660 render the minority witness rule moot, Republicans are unlikely to get their witnesses to testify before the committee. This reality is just the latest example of why majority status is so critical within a majoritarian institution such as the House of Representatives.

For the impeachment inquiry specifically, by a vote of 232-196 the House agreed to H.R. 660 which outlines the committee procedures to be used in impeachment hearings. These are the rules that were agreed on. Majority is called the majority for a reason. The rules are made by the majority.

Carlos Ponce

All animals are equal but Donkeycrats can ignore and make their own rules at whim. And they have the nerve to say "No one is above the law." WHAT A JOKE!

Jim Forsythe

This reality is just the latest example of why majority status is so critical within a majoritarian institution such as the House of Representatives.

As House rules were not violated, your only complaint is that it was not done like Republicans wanted. When a party is not the majority, they do not control the rules. When the next impeachment happens, whichever party is in charge of the House, will make the rules.

Carlos Ponce

"As House rules were not violated.." FALSE

Jim Forsythe

What rules were violated, as H.R.660 are the rules in place.

Both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate have the right to make their own rules governing their procedure for impeachment.

If you go strictly by the Constitution, it has nothing about a "minority hearing day" but both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate have the right to make their own rules governing their procedure, and to change those rules.

The rules for this impeachment used this time may or may not be the ones the House uses next time, as they will set the rules they use at that time.

If and when this goes to the Senate, they will set the rules at that time. They may go by what was used in the past or use all new rules.

Majority rules.

Carlos Ponce

Typical Jim, ignoring the facts the Dems ignored the House rules on Minority hearings. Put lipstick on this pig of an impeachment and it still stinks. You're are telling us, "My guys are right no matter what the rules say!". I think you're trying to convince yourself because we're not buying this crock.

Carlos Ponce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2eTbxMMRAc

Jim Forsythe

Impeachment is a sole power given to the House under the Article 1, Section2, Paragraph 5:This power includes the setting the rules for each impeachment.

They did not set the rules, because they realized that each impeachment process is different.

The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. Those are the “rules”. The majority that controls the House, makes the rules. The only way to change that is with a constitutional amendment.

All this does not make any difference, because Trump is impeached. Unless you want to redo what has happened so far, you are just whistling in the wind.

Carlos Ponce

The Constitution did not set up the rules but the House Rules Committee did and they were clearly violated.

Jim Forsythe

Impeachment is a sole power given to the House under the Article 1, Section2, Paragraph 5:This power includes the setting the rules for each impeachment. They did not set the rules, because they realized that each impeachment process is different.

The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. Those are the “rules”. The majority that controls the House, makes the rules. The only way to change that is with a constitutional amendment.

All this does not make any difference, because Trump is impeached. Unless you want to redo what has happened so far, you are just whistling in the wind.

Jim Forsythe

Now that Trump is impeached the minority day is out of play. You forgot one part of House Rule XI that gives the committee majority the right to determine the relevance and if they find none. to not allow it. This does not matter as H.R..660 covers all this.

Notwithstanding the rights afforded the minority party under the minority witness rule, under clause 2(k)(8) of House Rule XI, a committee is "the sole judge of the pertinence of the testimony and evidence adduced at its hearing." As such, a committee majority, applying a "reasonableness test," retains the right to determine the relevance of testimony and the appropriate length of a Rule XI minority day of witnesses.

Carlos Ponce

It's in the Senate's hands now, Jim.

Carlos Ponce

At least it will be as soon as Pelosi sends it. Then the House has no say in proceedings. Only impeachment managers have to abide by the SENATE'S Rules.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "Now that Trump is impeached the minority day is out of play." Okay, please explain that to Chuck Schumer who's insisting on minority input.

Randy Chapman

Oh wait! You said he was convicted. "Apparently you don't know the difference between an investigation and a trial" Apparently, you don't Emile.

Gary Miller

Democrat voters need to examine what their vote got them. Three years of nothing. No border control, no infrastructure repairs, no health care, no crime control nothing but trying to get rid of Trump since you elected them. Making him stronger every month. In 2025 he will not be able to run again.

Carlos Ponce

That's the problem with Democrats. They never think of the consequences of their platforms, policies and practices. They cannot see beyond the end of their nose. The Magoo Party.[innocent]

Nick Saum

This is sad. Everyone spends their time complaining about how corrupt/ignorant/partisan/evil the other side it, while invalidating any views that oppose theirs based upon "fake news" or by manipulating the issue and trivializing it by saying "Bill, Hillary, Bush, Nixon, Reagan" did the same thing and "the other side" had no problem with it. It reminds me of something many of us were told a variation of while growing up: "Just because little Tommy's parents let him set the cat on fire, doesn't mean its OK" or "If your friend Tommy jumped in front of a moving car, would you do that too?". We need to open our eyes, open our ears and most importantly, open our hearts.

Mike Zeller

If a low information voter wants to send a "Letter to the Editor" about something he heard on Hannity, so be it. It's not the job for The Daily News to protect a Dumbass.

Carlos Ponce

The GCDN does not protect us from Mike Zeller's posts. Being informed does. Whom do you hate more, Mike, Trump or Hannity?

Bailey Jones

Trick question - Trump and Hannity are identical.

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