Donald Trump's State of the Union speech has replaced Burger King as "Home of the Whopper." 

• Best economy in our history: The gross domestic product was 2.3 percent in 2019 and annualized for three years was 2.5 percent. John F. Kennedy's was 5.7 percent; Lyndon B. Johnson's 5.1 percent; Jimmy Carter's 3.7 percent; and Bill Clinton's 3.8 percent.

• Created more jobs than Obama: In Obama's last 35 months, jobs grew 227 a month; Trump's grew 191 a month.

• "Wages grew by 16 percent during my administration:" Wage growth rates when adjusted for inflation; Obama, 2.7 percent and Trump, 0.6 percent.

• Achieved oil independence: America became oil independent in 2011, and we still had great air quality control.

Under Trump, the wage and income gap became the greatest in 100 years; the budget deficit exceeded $1 trillion in 2019 for the first time since the Great Recession of 2009; corporate debt became the largest in history, more than $6 trillion with more than $3 trillion due in five years; unsecured personal debt is over $360 billion; and over 50 percent of American families have less than $400 in personal savings.

There are serious cracks in this "best economy in our history."

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Mike Zeller

It looks like President Obama left Trump a very healthy economy, not like the recession that Bush left him. Trump should get down on his knees, and Thank the Lord every night, for President Barack Obama.

Carlos Ponce

The government process is ongoing, building on the laws already in place removing those that hinder governance. Obama extended the Bush tax cuts. Left at that we should have done much better. But he was behind burdensome regulations which stagnated growth. Removing those restraints led to greater prosperity, lower unemployment rates, higher income to the tune of an average $5000 per family.

President Obama also left Trump detention "cages" to hold children. [innocent]

Gary Miller

Mike> Obams claimed jobs that were 20 hour a week jobs that Obama care rules forced to replace 40 hour a week. 40 hours lost, 20 hours gained isn't a good performance.

Randy Chapman

[tongue_smile]

Emile Pope

Typical. Claims something that he got from someone else. The story of his life...

Craig Mason

[thumbup]

Carlos Ponce

• Best economy in our history: Jerome just points out ONE factor in the economy - GDP. When coupled with other factors we do have the greatest economy.

• Created more jobs than Obama: Obama created a lot of jobs - low wage, low hour jobs that were split from existing jobs to avoid Obamacare costs. President Obama created 8.9 million jobs by the end of December 2016 which was good for eight years, 1.11 million by year. President Trump created 4.7 million jobs in his first three years - better, 1.57 million per year. By nit picking data, Jerome is misleading.

https://www.thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-3863218

• "Wages grew by 16 percent during my administration:" They have. Jerome argues that with inflation those numbers are exaggerated. The low inflation rates for 2017-2019 (1.5%, 2.5%, 1.75%) does not support Jerome's claim.

ttps://www.thebalance.com/u-s-inflation-rate-history-by-year-and-forecast-3306093

• Achieved oil independence: "America became oil independent in 2011", No. Independent means not HAVING to import oil from other countries. That did not happen in 2011. The US was between 86% and 91% self-sufficient in 2016, good but not 100%.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php

The United States still imports oil but does not need to. Why? Cheaper oil, contracted previously by companies and our domestic oil is sold overseas at a higher rate.

Robert Braeking

Figures don't lie but liars figure. It would seem that Jerome has learned to repeat some liar's figures. All I know is that my retirement fund is finally recovering from 8 years of Obama. There are more jobs available than people to fill them. The figures don't reflect the people who change jobs for better wages and benefits. For every new regulation under Trump 7 are removed. Obama's swamp creatures are being found out. There will be charges filed. Go Trump!

Bill Broussard

Carlos. Your back on google again as though it made some difference. Just try meditation, Valium, green tea or some other socialist remedy and chill. We could all use a break after yesterday’s bitter and childish “celebration”.

Carlos Ponce

I NEVER "google".

Jeff Patterson

Don't want to get into the political debate here, but yes, the US still needs to import oil, despite the rise in domestic production. Anyone can google to get the full details, but basically many of the refineries in the US are designed to run on heavy crude; much of the additional oil now being produced in the US is lighter, so it ends up being exported to countries with refineries that can use it and we import oil appropriate for our refineries here. As with many things, when you try to reduce them to talking points to use in political arguments, you end up missing the real issues.

Carlos Ponce

" refineries in the US are designed to run on heavy crude"

So why did we import so much sweet crude from the Middle East in the past?

Jim Forsythe

When the price difference between Light crude and heavy crude change from small to large or large to small, so does the type of crude that is processed in some refineries . Some refineries can run both light and heavy crudes by reconfiguring . Heavy crudes were not run in as many refineries in the past as now, because of the cost associated with running heavy crude vs. light, and the cost of building of the heavy crude units.

Kim Baldwin

Thank you! They say He lies but they use only 1 accounting standard for comparison because they don't think any further.

Best economy - GDP is not the only standard by which to form a conclusion.

CREATED more jobs - CREATED! - unemployment is not the only standard by which to make a conclusion.

Wages - Doesn't mean everyone in the USA had a 16% wage increase example: new "created" positions that were filled from within a company likely had a wage significantly higher than the person's previous wage

Oil Independence - Carlos, you are exactly right... no need for further comment

Carlos Ponce

Under GW Bush the average middle-class family’s income was only up $400.

Under Obama the average middle-class family’s income went up $1,000.

Under only 2 1/2 years of President Trump, the average middle-class family’s income has gone up $5,000.

Bailey Jones

Trump's propensity for lying and self-promotion (or as his admirers here rationalize it, "hyperbole and exaggeration" are well documented. He has the emotional intelligence of a child, and Republicans love him for it. That's what passes for "presidential" in the Age of Trump.

Carlos Ponce

Hyperbole and exaggeration were the hallmarks of Barack Hussein Obama II.

Emile Pope

Nonsense? More like bald-faced lies. But then, what else would you expect.

Carlos Ponce

Excellent response to Jerome Bourgeois' letter, Emile.

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Carlos Ponce

What a hate filled post! Michael Jozwiak is the hater here.

Rush LImbaugh helped raise millions for the Tunnel to Towers Foundation, an organization which helps the families of fallen military and first responders and the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society.

And Michael Jozwiak has done?????

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Mike Zeller

Rush Limbaugh - Karma

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Carlos Ponce

Even Snopes debunks many statements falsely attributed to Rusty Limbaugh as "made up".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rush-limbaugh-racist-quotes/

Transcripts and audio of his show are available on-line. Limbaugh is controversial because of his conservative views. People make up statements and falsely attribute them to him.

Kelly Naschke

The lack of civility that’s on display here from a couple of the contributors here speaks volumes of their character. You can’t debate with hate filled, ignorance. Why even try? Karma? Pissing on graves?

Kelly Naschke

I wonder where the Jozwhacko family plots are?

Bill Broussard

Leroy. I agree with your comment and also agree that yesterday’s prayer breakfast and celebration were degrading and well beyond the boundaries of presidential. We all need to just cut it out and let facts speak for us

I’m not sure I get the Jozwhacko jibe. Might you explain? I went to Texas A&M do English is a second language for me😀

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Gary Miller

Mike> I'm a long time daily Rush ditto head. The only hateful or racist thing I have ever heard on his show has been from liberal callers he lets vent. Pissing on a grave is something I expect from liberals.

Gary Miller

If the Obama economy was so good why did poverty and food stamp use increase? Why was there fewer jobs than unemployed then and more jobs than unemployed now. A half job isn't as good as a whole job unless a liberal is trying to use numbers to lie.

Ted Gillis

I think before any “burdensome” regulations are removed, each one should be examined as to why the regulation was implemented in the first place. A regulation was usually put in place to correct some imbalance, cheating or harmful result in a system. To just remove any said regulation without this due diligence is a slap in the face to previous leadership and champions of those same industries that had the foresight to think ahead.

Carlos Ponce

"why the regulation was implemented in the first place" - reason - CONTROL.

Robert Braeking

Ted, As a matter of principle regulations need to be voted upon by Congress and signed by the President or over-ridden with 2/3 majority of both houses of Congress. If the government wants to regulate, the Constitution provides the means for doing so.

Carlos Ponce

In case you missed it:

"Washington (CNN) A federal appeals court on Friday dismissed a lawsuit by congressional Democrats alleging President Donald Trump violated the emoluments clause of the Constitution by refusing to allow lawmakers to review and approve his financial interests." Fri February 7, 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/emoluments-lawsuit-trump/index.html

Bailey Jones

Thanks, Carlos, I did miss that. I'll just add that the ruling had nothing to do with whether Trump has violated the emoluments clause and everything to do with the "standing" of the Democrats, who were the minority party in both houses of Congress at the time. Since the constitution says that Congress must approve any foreign emoluments, and the Dems lacked the votes to approve anything, they had no standing.

Carlos Ponce

And that's your twist? Amusing!

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, read the decision:

https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/2EFD382E65E33B3C852585070055D091/$file/19-5237-1827549.pdf

Bailey Jones

Oh dear, here we go again - words have meaning, and here they are -

The President moved to dismiss, arguing that 1) the Members lack standing; 2) no cause of action authorized their lawsuit;

Because the district court bifurcated the motion to dismiss proceedings, two of its judgments are before us on appeal. With

regard to the first, in which the district court held that the Members have standing, Blumenthal, 335 F. Supp. 3d 45, we reverse and remand with instructions to dismiss the complaint.

The second, in which the district court held that the Members have a cause of action and have stated a claim, Blumenthal, 373 F. Supp. 3d 191, is vacated as moot.

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The Members do not represent either House of the Congress, an issue the Members concede

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Our own precedent confirms that the Members lack standing.

Carlos Ponce

More to it than just what you posted, Bailey. Are you skim reading?

Bailey Jones

Please, Carlos - by all means - educate us. Show us all where in this decision the court clears Trump of violating the emoluments clause. I'm sure we'd all like to see Trump exonerated. Now's your chance. Go for it.

Carlos Ponce

READ!

Bailey Jones

And... there it is.

Joshua Moore

At least he is not a freedom grabbing pinko. Y'all sure love to kiss Obama's rear end when in fact through his policies, he showed disdain for the Houston area economy. Yeah, let's elect the other option, Sanders, the devote communist. Whether you like it or not, he is your democratic front runner for 2020. pfft.

Bailey Jones

That's true - freedom isn't the thing Trump claimed to grab. And he's def not pink.

Dalton Logan

Hate to disagree with you but if every democrat in every state voted for Sanders in the primary it will not mean anything. The DNC will broker Bloomberg at the convention.

Randy Chapman

They talk about Trump loving Putin. Old Bernie will probably have him in his cabinet.

Charles Douglas

Basta! Basta! May I have a say in this Council if yall please? First thing I want to call attention to is ...WHO on this forum has never told a lie? Can anyone tell me HOW many lies have they ever told? I know there is one, among you that I expect to see a post from explaining why his lies were not really lies, so that allows him to step down on "TRUMP DIESEL." I produced this little exercise to say this, I don't care how many lies "TRUMP DIESEL" tells, as long as he produces for this country and it's citizens the way he has been doing! Word on the streets is he just OFFED another Head TERRORIST in connection with killings which happened in Florida not long ago! Black unemployment is way down, so is Hispanic, Asians, and women! China want to sign a Trade Deal with an American President for the first time in 40- 50 years! South Korea, Japan, Great Britian, and many others are coming clean with "TRUM DIESEL" because the man doesn't bluff, and they know he does not BLINK! He got this country respected or feared again and I don't give a RIP which one, as long as the WORLD QUIT ripping the American taxpayers off like other Presidents have allowed in the past for decades! That helps a lot, now all we have to do is STOP the Democrats and the LEFT ..from giving our wealth away by making everything FREEEEEEE! No more working in AMERICA!!! FREE College, Free housing, Free Healthcare, Reparations for everyone, lets put Refrugees, and Illegals on Social Security! Lets keep our Students off school vouchers, and give the teachers in poor performing schools a raise, why don't we? Let's give our factories and fossil fuel jobs to the Saudis, or Iran!!!!! Look like some people in this country are on that STUFF! They hate America, and it's constitution and love our enemies! "TRUMP DIESEL" will never apologize to ungrateful traitors and he can LIE & PRODUCE all he want to as far it goes with me. He is raising this country up and the opposition HATES him for it. Come November, they will be on their knees crying and shaking fists at the sky again like in 2016! Lastly, I heard "CROOKED" Is running for VP on the Democratic Ticket,..trying to get her foot back through the door for a run at President! WHAT? [beam]

Gary Miller

Charles> Democrats claim Trump has lied 14,000 times. If his success is mesured by lies told I'm hoping for 28,000 in his second term.

Emile Pope

Since you’re a vet...what do you think about the way trump treated Lt. Colonel Vindman? Having him escorted out of the White House by policemen and also his twin brother who had absolutely nothing to do with his brothers testifying? How is that justified? How is that morally right? Going after one’s family is what’s done in communist countries or gangster films. How can anyone accept this?

Carlos Ponce

Emile, Lt. Col Alexander Vindman is not fired. His assignment to the White House was not up in a few months but he wanted out early. So out he goes. He did not follow military chain of command and should be up an Article 32 hearing for his actions.

John Bolton's book had to be screened by the NSC for content and top secret information. Who does this at the NSC? Eugene (Yevgeny) Vindman. When contents of John Bolton's book were leaked to the press, it's obvious who leaked it. Out he goes.

Let me give you a a few names: Lt. Col. Oliver North, General David Petraeus, Lt. General Michael Flynn. All decorated war veterans, yet Democrats hold them in disdain. Do you?

Emile Pope

What about his brother?

Emile Pope

Is having the police come and march him out of the building standard operating procedure?

Emile Pope

Flynn is a convicted felon? North was Iran contra.

Carlos Ponce

"What about his brother?

Let me repeat what I posted earlier:

John Bolton's book had to be screened by the NSC for content and top secret information. Who does this at the NSC? Eugene (Yevgeny) Vindman. When contents of John Bolton's book were leaked to the press, it's obvious who leaked it. Out he goes.

Alexander Vindman's twin brother is Eugene Vindman. Eugene Vindman leaked contents of John Bolton's book to the New York Times. Leaking confidential material out of the NSC is against the law.

Carlos Ponce

"Is having the police come and march him out of the building standard operating procedure?" It's a no brainer as to why Vindman had a police escort.

Carlos Ponce

General Flynn has withdrawn his guilty plea. Lt Col. Oliver North is NOT an "Iran Contra". He was implicated in the Iran-Contra affair, charges dismissed by Judge Gesell, United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia.

Randy Chapman

My 401k is doing amazing. That's all I need to approve of what he's done.

Keith Gray

So is mine Randy... and all my friends and working great jobs. But maybe President Trump should have loaned President Obama his magic wand.

Carlos Ponce

When I retired at the beginning of the Obama administration I decided not to rely on my savings nor 403B investments. I will use those when I get "old". My dad died that year and left me the family home and property which was fine but each year since I dreaded tax time and had to scrimp to pay property taxes. Not this past year. I had enough accumulated from my TRS pension and at the end of January I have enough to pay my 2020 taxes. And I still have not used my 403B nor IRA accounts nor bonds. Let the 403B ride! It's doing good!

Gary Miller

Carlos> The 21 adult members of my extended family are working or retired. I retired before Obama and only had to use a little of my investments before 2016 but since then we, wife and I, are adding to savings again. About $700 a month in 2018, $800 a month last year and looking at $900 this year. Another 4 years of Trump I expect to be doing better.

Randy Chapman

[thumbup]

Randy Chapman

Funny thing; when you throw real facts at the libs, they become silent.[thumbup]

Bailey Jones

I personally don't believe in judging a president by the performance of the stock market, because I believe the market operates independently of who is president. So the "wow, look at my 401K!" argument doesn't work for me.

But it doesn't work for Trumpsters, either.

When Obama took office, the stock market was at 7,550.29. When Obama left office, the market was at 19,732.40. That's an increase of 261%. The market closed on Friday at 29,102.51. That's an increase, under Trump, so far, of 147%.

Your 401K went up 261% under Obama, yet not a single one of you good conservatives would rate Obama as a great, or even a good, president - because you didn't like the direction that he was taking the country. But you expect liberals and progressives, who have watched this administration in horror for 3 years, to look at the market's performance under Trump and say, "well, that makes everything OK".

It doesn't work that way - even if you're a Trump supporter.

Bailey Jones

And just to compare apples strictly to apples - because someone will surely point out that we're only 3 years into Trump's term. At the equivalent time under Obama - February 7, 2012, the market closed at 12,878. So, it was up 170%, compared to Trump's 147% during the exact same time period. Think Obama is great yet? No? Why not? Because, clearly, you don't believe that the market is the measure of a president.

Carlos Ponce

Stock Market is just one measure, Bailey. How about the other factors? Nit-picking data is the mark of desperation. If I were to take the unemployment rate for Jan 2009 at 7.6% then compare it to Feb 2012 at 8.3%, you would call FOUL. Black unemployment Jan 2009 was 12.6%, Feb 2012, 13.6%. Still like NIT-PICKING? A better measure is to look at ALL factors that make up the nation's economy.

Bailey Jones

You brought up the stock market, Carlos, not me. And thanks as always for making my point for me - there is more to the economy than the stock market, and there is more to a president's performance than the economy. There must be - all five of the recessions we've had since 1980 have begun under Republican presidents - yet they keep getting elected.

And if you want to talk about Obama's record on unemployment, let's at least be complete. Due to the Great Recession, unemployment rose from about 4.5% to 7.8% during W's last year then topped out at 10% ten months into Obama's term. When he left office it was 4.7% - a decrease of over 5%. It has fallen another 1.1% - 1.2% under Trump. Like the market, I don't attribute the unemployment rate to presidents. If you look at unemployment historically after recessions, the slope of the increase is pretty constant - irrespective of who's in office - it's a fundamental constant of the economy. The bad news for Trump is that he inherited a hot economy, we're at essentially full employment now - whoever the next president is will likely see an increase in unemployment and a recession.

Carlos Ponce

"You brought up the stock market, Carlos, not me." I did not bring it up. I did mention my 403B. Sorry, they're related but not the same as I posted I am not relying on it, so it is inconsequential. The rest of your post tells me you're trying to obfuscate the issue.

Paula Flinn

No way regular working people and retirees are making more money under President Trump. My insurance premiums went up last year. The 13th check for TRS retirees was not because of President Trump. The State of the Union speech was full of lies. Trump has threatened cuts in Medicare and Social Security. He is fighting to get rid of the pre-existing condition clause in the ACA. Trump lied about both in the State of the Union.

Carlos Ponce

"No way regular working people and retirees are making more money under President Trump." Must be a Paula Flinn thing since even the New York Times says tax cuts went to and benefited most Americans.

"Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/14/business/economy/income-tax-cut.html

Paula, can you name one lie in Trump's speech? Here's the transcript.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/4/21123394/state-of-the-union-full-transcript-trump

Hope you remember the difference between fact and opinion. Don't rip it up, Paula![wink]

Bailey Jones

"can you name one lie in Trump's speech? "

ooh! ooh! Pick me Mr. Ponce!

"I am thrilled to report to you tonight that our economy is the best it has ever been." Unemployment is not the lowest it's ever been, GDP growth is not the highest it's ever been, the stock market is not growing the fastest it ever has, job growth isn't the highest it's ever been, debt - personal, corporate and national, isn't the lowest it's ever been, the labor force participation rate isn't the highest it's ever been, the trade deficit isn't the best it's ever been, middle class incomes aren't rising at the fastest rate ever, etc.

"Our military is completely rebuilt" - Trump has certainly poured trillions down the military drain, but it's physically impossible to "completely rebuild" the military in 3 years. Do we have all new ships? No. Do we have all new planes? No. All new rifles? No. All new tanks? No. All new Humvees? No. And so on.

“With the tremendous progress we have made over the past three years, America is now energy independent.” False. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

“In the Senate, we have confirmed a record number of 187 new federal judges.” Not a record, unless 2nd place counts. https://judiciarytracker.com/#pace

Carlos Ponce

"I am thrilled to report to you tonight that our economy is the best it has ever been." Take all these factors you named, Bailey. Sure, President X had a higher GDP but not all the rest, etc.

"Our military is completely rebuilt" - A work in progress, Bailey. The new planes, etc are on their way, ON ORDER.

“With the tremendous progress we have made over the past three years, America is now energy independent.” We have to meet contract obligations made in previous years and when you can buy theirs at a lower price and sell ours to others at a HIGHER price we benefit. Take a look at the latest "Mideast crisis". In previous years, domestic gas and oil prices would really go up during such a "crisis". Last I paid, gasoline prices WENT DOWN. Why? We have plenty, more than enough.

“In the Senate, we have confirmed a record number of 187 new federal judges.” FIRST PLACE on US COURT OF APPEALS by your chart. So you would say James Earl Carter is first place - with ZERO Supreme Court Justice appointments.

Nice try Bailey.

Bailey Jones

Oh, what a surprise - suddenly words don't mean what they say. 4 lies, and I wasn't even trying.

Carlos Ponce

No, he was truthful, Bailey. You just lack the perspective to see it.

Bailey Jones

Truth is a matter of perspective - that's very "modern" of you, Carlos.

Carlos Ponce

How "modern" can it be? "What is truth?" - Pontius Pilate 33AD

Bailey Jones

hmmm... I guess that would cast Trump in the role of Jesus. "Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice." - that does sound like Trump, now that I think about it.

Jim Forsythe

Four years after then-presidential candidate Donald Trump said he would eliminate the federal debt in eight years, the deficit has since risen by more than 16 percent under his presidency. National Debt Increased by $3 Trillion During Donald Trump's Three Years as President . This is all of our debt, and the tax cut does not make up for it.

The tax cut does not make up for the increase in cost because of tariffs. The tax cut does not bring back the farmers that went bankrupt because of the Tariffs. The tax cut does not pay for the increase in the cost of food. The tax cut does not make up for the soaring cost of rent for housing.

Can you name one lie in Trump's speech?

He said: “After 24 months of rapid progress, our economy is the envy of the world, our military is the most powerful on earth, and America is winning each and every day.”

FACT: The United States’ military has been the world’s biggest (and most costly) for the past 60 years. And while the economy has continued to grow under this president, it has essentially carried on the trajectory it started under President Barack Obama.

He said that during his administration the economy has added 5.3 million jobs.

FACT: The economy has added 4.9 million jobs in the past two years, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Carlos Ponce

FACT: Our economy IS the envy of the world. Obama's economy was decent but stagnant due to over regulation.You stated our military is the "biggest". Trump stated it is the "most powerful". Not the same. In terms of manpower China has more in military service (2,693,000) compared to the United States (2,600,000). But we're close. Prior to Trump, military equipment was aged. They have been replaced by more modern equipment or are in the process of being replaced.

Jim posts "He said that during his administration the economy has added 5.3 million jobs. FACT: The economy has added 4.9 million jobs in the past two years....." NOTE TO JIM: Trump was in office a little OVER THREE years when he gave the State of the Union, not just the TWO you mention. Are you AWAKE, Jim?

Carlos Ponce

Before anyone starts quoting polls consider this:

February 1, 2020 Iowa polls showed Sanders at 23.3%, Biden at 19.3%, Buttigieg at 16.0%, Warren at 15%.

Latest Iowa Caucus release (if they ever finish counting) shows Buttigieg at 26.2%, Sanders at 26.1%, Warren 18.1%, and Biden at 15.8%.

New Hampshire:

Feb 9 polls: Sanders 26.1%, Buttigieg 21.3%, Warren 13.4% and Biden 12.7%

Feb 11 Primary: Sanders 25.9%, Buttigieg 24.4%, Klobuchar, 19.8% and Warren 9.3%.

A little better but are polls really accurate? Pollsters have some "splainin'" to do!

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