President Obama had children put in cyclone fence pens away from their parents when he was president because it’s the law — not Trump’s law.

Whenever anyone in this country is put in jail for breaking the law (such as crossing the border illegally), their children are separated from them. If there are no family members around, the children are turned over to CPS. Since all of the children’s relatives (the ones from Mexico or Central America) are not here they have to be put in places that the government provides for them. Also, no child from birth through 4 years of age have ever left their mother’s side.

The Democrats don’t want you to know that over 10,000 children (from the Pacific to Brownsville) have crossed the border without their parents, led by someone called a coyote. The Democrats (most of them) have to be told what to believe by a movie star, a late-night TV show host or a professional athlete because they don’t know how to find out the truth themselves.

The majority of all big newspapers and news stations are owned by Democrats, so it shows they are out to ruin Trump since losing the election.

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Emile Pope

Too many false statements to list...

Carlos Ponce

The facts presented are accurate. The rest is the author's personal opinion to which he is entitled.

Emile Pope

Perhaps the writer could provide sources and proof to support his statements? Ones that aren’t right wing blogs or memes...

Carlos Ponce

Why, Emile? You NEVER do! Maybe Emile could provide sources and proof that his statements are false. All you do is regurgitate Left wing blogs and memes.

George Croix

Exactly what 'proof' will you accept, Pope?
What source(s) will be one you'd believe, or even acknowledge?
You're always demanding 'proof' while never..ever...offering anything of any kind or source. That would also indicate lack of involvement and not pulling your own weight in a discussion, but, I digress.....
So YOU name what is your go to acceptable proof.
You must have one or some in mind.
People? TV news? Media source?
Surely you wouldn't ask for 'proof' knowing there's nothing you'll believe anyway?
Or, is anything you disagree with 'garbage'?
'Might' that be the case? That you 'might' not accept anything as 'proof'?

I'm guessing that 'might' be the real answer.


Sound familiar?
Ever gonna answer?
Fish or cut bait.....

George Croix

C'mon...c'mon...speak up
It's your 'proof' bomb, dropped at every opportunity.
Gonna let that petard blow up in your own face?
Looks like you 'might'.....

Paula Flinn

False statements are made and he contradicts himself. Anyone can understand that incarcerated parents do not have their children in jail with them. The children, however, should not have been sent to other states, which is what happened in these most recent arrests.
The false statement is, “...no child from birth through 4 years of age have ever left their mother’s side.” There are many children in that age group that were TAKEN from their mother and/or father. Some of these children were relocated to states on the East coast. Some of the parents have been deported already without their children. Homeland Security has no plan to reunite these children with their parents. First Lady, Melania Trump, has made two trips to the border. The President has not. The President went golfing yesterday.

Carlos Ponce

PF: "The children, however, should not have been sent to other states, which is what happened in these most recent arrests."
So Paula, you would have them all remain in Texas,more burden for Texas resources, schools? Most of these are unaccompanied minors.
PF: "There are many children in that age group that were TAKEN from their mother and/or father." The New York Times reports 100 children less than 4 were taken. Their parents were either criminals or shown to be a danger to the children. But some were not "parents" at all. They are performing DNA tests to verify. Did they just snatch a child off the streets to use as a "get into the US token"?
According to the Chicago Tribune, "Border Patrol did say agents in and around McAllen had a policy of not separating children under 5 from their parents."
PF: "Some of the parents have been deported already without their children."
Why would this happen?
Either they were not the child's "parent" as shown by DNA tests or the parent opted to allow the child to remain in the US with a relative.
"Immigrants separated from their children after being arrested for illegally entering the U.S. at the Mexican border are being asked to choose between being deported alone or with their children.
"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement started giving parents who have been given deportation orders a form laying out their options after a federal judge in San Diego last month ordered the administration to reunite immigrant families separated by federal authorities at the border with Mexico."
And some NEVER had children with them but the Liberal lawyers are telling them that if they claim they brought a child with them they could remain here.

Emile Pope

Simply making things up...

Carlos Ponce

That's what Emile does, "make things up". Each statement I present can be backed but why bother with someone who refuses to listen.

Emile Pope

Then why didn't you? Don't hear trump saying anything about the stock market anymore. Wonder why?

Carlos Ponce

"Then why didn't you?"
READ "Chicago Tribune". The response was to PF. She doesn't like when I post all the web links.
Stock Market : DOW JONES was UP, Nasdaq was UP, S&P was UP yesterday. So what?
Here's a link for you:
http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/
Happy? Nothing makes Emile happy.

Emile Pope

What's it for the year?

George Croix

You're still dodging after 2 days, 'Proof'.
can't you walk your talk.
WHAT sources will be 'proof' for you?
Surely you're not one of those people who demand of others what you are uncapable of yourself. Could that be so?
It 'might' be.
Proof, Pope...you're always demaniding it so what constitutes proof to you, if not nothing but what you personally think.??????

Carlos Ponce

Year to date:
Dow Jones is down 1.42% for the year, S&P up 2,62%, Nasdaq up 10.42%
http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp/
http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/
http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq/

Emile Pope

Much better under President Obama...

Carlos Ponce

Not really. Bet you won't "prove it".

Emile Pope

Went up from 7000 to 19000 under his administration...

Paula Flinn

I was not talking about the unaccompanied minors, Carlos. I was talking about the young children, under 10 years old, that were forcibly TAKEN from their parents and put on flights to other states. If there were only 100 children under the age of 4, they should not have sent them out of Texas.
Some of the parents HAVE been deported back to their Central American country without an asylum hearing or their children.
The mothers were being interviewed by bi-lingual reporters on almost every news station, except probably Fox News.
They did not start testing DNA until AFTER some of these children had been shipped off.
Yes, I expected them to keep the youngest children, under 10 years old, in Texas. Some of them are babies. The only way to reunite these children with their parents, now, is with DNA tests. The Trump Administration kept no records. Many parents still do not know where their kids are. Those 100 children under 4 years old will be difficult to identify. One mother on TV tonight has a 3 year old that is “somewhere in New York.”
The Trump Administration has made this mess. You, and the rest of your ilk, are heartless. It is not illegal to ask for asylum. The only way to ask is to come here, to the border, and do it.

Carlos Ponce

And, Emile, so you're comparing 1 year 6 months for Trump to 8 years of Obama?
Talk about OBFUSCATION!

Carlos Ponce

PF:" I was talking about the young children, under 10 years old, that were forcibly TAKEN from their parents and put on flights to other states. If there were only 100 children under the age of 4, they should not have sent them out of Texas."
The facilities are there. Are they the REAL parents? An adult brings a child with them across the border and you ASSUME it's his parent - not necessarily so.
Only "adults" separated from children are:
1. Non parents
2. Real parents who show signs of harming the child
3. Criminal parents (and not just for violating the immigration laws just once.
PF:"Some of the parents HAVE been deported back to their Central American country without an asylum hearing or their children."
If it wasn't their child why reunite with the adult that accompanied them.
"Parents" with children are identified when they first come over. Some who didn't have a child now claim to have brought one with them. The ruse is to remain in this country. Who was their child? Casper?
"The mothers were being interviewed by bi-lingual reporters on almost every news station, except probably Fox News."
Some are LYING, Paula. Don't be gullible.
"They did not start testing DNA until AFTER some of these children had been shipped off." Parents have a number, their "children" have a number. They are kept in phone contact, sometimes SKYPE, until parentage can be proven or dis-proven by DNA checks.
"The only way to reunite these children with their parents, now, is with DNA tests."
NO, this is FAKE news. Children are tagged with an armband and the adult who brought them over also is "tagged". DNA tests are to authenticate parentage, not match them.
" Many parents still do not know where their kids are."
FAKE NEWS. They know and are kept in contact according to a Justice Department reply to these false accusations.
"Those 100 children under 4 years old will be difficult to identify." No they've been "tagged" - like they tag a mother and child at the hospital after a woman gives birth so mix ups don't occur.
"You, and the rest of your ilk, are heartless. It is not illegal to ask for asylum. The only way to ask is to come here, to the border, and do it."
Heartless is reuniting a child with a child trafficker, a child sex trafficker, a kidnapper who was told a "child" would guarantee entry. Asylum is through ports of entry, not just any border town. But there's where their handlers told them to go......... Ports of entry are staffed with personnel trained to spot FRAUD.
I would annotate my posts like my English teacher taught me but I know you don't like them.

Carlos Ponce

For those who insist on a website
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5805742702001/?#sp=show-clips
Yes it's a FOX News report of an interview with HHS Secretary Alex Azar but you won't find this without a Leftest spin on the other networks. Other networks falsely report DNA tests are done to match displaced children. According to Secretary Azar, DNA tests are to see if these children are the actual children of those who carried them across the border. Are they the REAL parents?
"On these children that we have ages zero to four, two of the purported parents have been charged with or convicted of rape and kidnapping, child abuse and narcotics violation. We have a vital and historic mission here to protect these children to make sure these are in fact their parents and make certain it is a safe environment...." Secretary Azar

Emile Pope

Simply made up. All of it. And if those children were kept up with then the government wouldn't be asking for an extension for the time needed to reunite the parents with their children? You are simply making up everything that you say...

Carlos Ponce

Made up, Emile?????? I provided a link to an interview with a sitting Cabinet member. As a teacher I could only fix ignorance. I never could fix stupidity. Can't fix that.

Emile Pope

In case you haven’t heard...
The government is asking for an extension because they won’t be able to reunite the children with their parents. Guess Fox didn’t tell you. Ant the government is conducting DNA tests to identify the children with their parents. And in some cases the government has no idea where the children are. And quoting a spokesman is useless when FACTS show them to be lying.

Emile Pope

Interesting that when I ask for proof you supply spokesmen. Is it because Huckabee Sanders and Nielsen have been so honest?

Carlos Ponce

Emile, In case you haven’t heard...
The government is asking for an extension because they won’t be able to reunite the children with their alleged parents. Why? ARE THOSE THE REAL PARENTS?????
The HHS Secretary (if you BOTHERED to listen to the entire news report) said they are running DNA tests to make certain those are the real parents. Two of the "parents" are KIDNAPPERS. Who did they kidnap? THE CHILD THEY BROUGHT ACROSS THE BORDER WITH THEM!!!!!!!!
So Emile wants to "reunite" kidnappers with their kidnapping victim. Are you CRAZY!
Running DNA tests take time. That's why the government is saying it will take MORE TIME to determine who are REAL parents, who are child traffickers, etc.

Carlos Ponce

Emile posts, "Interesting that when I ask for proof you supply spokesmen. Is it because Huckabee Sanders and Nielsen have been so honest?"
They are honest. If you have evidence to the contrary produce it. You cannot because it is obvious it comes from FAKE NEWS. Can you back your allegation? No because you have NOTHING to back it up - as usual.

Emile Pope

Difficult to have a discussion when you simply MAKE THINGS UP. Simply inventing reasons for the delay request is sad. And don't forget that some records of these children have been destroyed. But since you choose to believe that the lost children are the victims of criminals or fake parents (a position that the government has not taken), then good luck. Maybe you'll say that these infants are MS-13 members next...

Carlos Ponce

Difficult to have a discussion when you simply MAKE THINGS UP. That's what Emile does all the time. Rarely gives supportive links to his posts. Sound like you are repeating trite oft used alt-Left taking points with no basis in reality. I on the other hand annotate my posts.

Jarvis Buckley

Go to police station here in Galveston & protest , to reunite the folks in jail with children. Their children were "Ripped" from their arms. You liberals
turn my stomach.

Emile Pope

But taking away the children of mothers seeking asylum doesn't?

Casey Alan

The people in jail are eventually able to reunite with their children. The children usually stays with the other parent or family member like a grandparent. They are not put in cages unless you consider foster home cages. They are not shipped to other parts of the country.

Emile Pope

There was no provision for reuniting the children with their parents. In many cases they aren't even told where their children are.

Carlos Ponce

"There was no provision for reuniting the children with their parents."
Emile, did you get that from an extreme Left Blog or Meme because it just is not true. If you don't back up that claim, it must not be true.

Paula Flinn

Jarvis, your “righteous” reply and attitude turns my stomach! How dare you be so cavalier about this tragedy! These are mothers and their children, and fathers and their children, seeking a better life than one of murderous gang violence or slavery in their own countries.

Sharon Stratman

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states
From the website: To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
UCSIS is the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, part of the US Department of Homeland Security.

There's one in your list, Emile. People are eligible for asylum no matter where they enter the US. They must be physically present in the US to apply. To separate families that are coming into the US to seek asylum as "breaking the law" is simply cruel and vindictive. And not at all what my country is.

Gary Miller

The pictures of children in chain link cages were from 2014. Obama era cages he told the media to not report. If Emily had known she would have said "it's the right thing to do" because she approved of every thing Obama did.

Paula Flinn

The children were not sent to New York, New Jersey, or Michigan in 2014, or any other year, until Trump’s “zero tolerance” plan, which was announced and started in April, 2018. These young children will difficult to reunite with their parents.

Casey Alan

Not you Paula. Hit wrong spot. Suppose to be for Gary Miller

Carlos Ponce

PF: "The children were not sent to New York, New Jersey, or Michigan in 2014"
How about Washington State, California, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, New York, Illinois, Tennessee, etc? The 2014 facilities are still there and in use in 2018. Most of the children sent out of state were and are "unaccompanied minors".
Check out this Oct. 21, 2014 New York Times article:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

Casey Alan

Not true.

Carlos Ponce

Gary posts: "The pictures of children in chain link cages were from 2014. Obama era cages he told the media to not report." La verdad! (The Truth!)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) admitted {on CNN] he knew the Obama administration attempted to cover-up the child migrant crisis in 2013 and 2014, which was exposed when a photo of two children sleeping inside a cage went viral.
“It was kept very quiet under the Obama administration. There were large numbers of people coming in. The Obama administration was trying to keep this quiet,” Cueller said.
“I released some of those photos because it was kept very quiet under the Obama administration. There were large numbers of people coming in. The Obama administration was trying to keep this quiet,” Cuellar said.

Gary Scoggin

So that fact that it happened before makes it right to keep dpoing today? If it happened under Obama, then shame on him. If it keeps happening under Trump then shame on him.

I doubt these families care under which administration it is happening under. Of course, like many of you believe, thay are all MS-13 members and trafficked kids, thenObama’s policy was proper. If that’s the case feel free to complement him on that.

Casey Alan

Crossing the border was a misdemeanor until 2017 when the Trump administration changed it to a felony. The law says when someone commits a felony that the children would be taken away. Obama is known as the strictest president of immigrants because he has sent more back than any other president as of right now. He only separated eight or 10 families because there was question child sex involved. And then people want to claim Democrats are not tough on immigration. Children do cross here over the border without their parents. No one is trying to hide or deny that fact that is why people are pushing for immigration reform. Can you imagine how bad it must be for a parent to say goodbye to their child and hope and pray every night they make it safe to someone who will take care of them in this country. No children in the past were taken out of their parents arms at the border and put in cages and then later ship to other places in this country with no way of connecting back to their parents Just imagine someone did that to you and your children. I agree something does need to be done. This is not one of them.

Carlos Ponce

Casey posts, "Crossing the border was a misdemeanor until 2017 when the Trump administration changed it to a felony."
Crossing the border illegally ONCE was and still is a misdemeanor. After initial deportation it is a felony.

Emile Pope

They are being prosecuted on the first attempt and their kids taken away...

Carlos Ponce

There is always a good legal reason why a "parent" is separated from a child at the border. These reasons were given by DHS secretaries Kirsjen Nielson (Trump) and Jeh Johnson (Obama). They have been presented several times to you in these forums. You reject them because they don't fit your false narrative. Sound like a personal problem.

Emile Pope

Actually the only reason they are taking their children is that they crossed the border with them seeking asylum...

Carlos Ponce

No Emile and I bet you cannot cite one source to back that.

George Croix

C'mon...c'mon...speak up
It's your 'proof' bomb, dropped at every opportunity.
Gonna let that petard blow up in your own face?
Looks like you 'might'.....

Emile Pope

Interesting how these right wingers make totally false statements and when asked for sources or proof say "disprove it". Ridiculous. Hate to tell you but your word isn't nearly good enough...

Carlos Ponce

You're the one making false statements, Emile. No wonder why you don't back them.

George Croix

OK.
WHAT IS good enough, Pope.
Don't you know what you'd believe as 'proof'?

George Croix

Deflecting as usual.
C'mom...it's always youe claim...no 'proof'.
Looks like you can't even prove that you have any standard for 'proof' except your personal beliefs, while at the same time saying that's unaccpetable from others.
Know what they call that, Pope?
It 'might' be true.

George Croix

[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Troll it is, then.....

Jim Forsythe

Nothing changed as to being a felony.
March 2013
Each year the Border Patrol apprehends hundreds of thousands of aliens who flagrantly violate our nation's laws by unlawfully crossing U.S. borders. Such illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and, if repeated after being deported, becomes punishable as a felony
April 13, 2017
The crime of improper entry by a migrant is currently a misdemeanor. Under the new policy, it will be prosecuted as a felony for migrants who already have two such misdemeanor convictions or for those with one conviction if there are aggravating circumstances, such as gang affiliation.
June 5, 2018
GENEVA — The Trump administration’s practice of separating children from migrant families entering the United States violates their rights and international law, the United Nations human rights office said on Tuesday, urging an immediate halt to the practice.


Emile Pope

Actually they are being prosecuted and their children taken away on the first offense, that of illegal entry...

George Croix

Too bad the same level of concern is not directed at citizens and legal residents who are paying the bills for Central America to export its illiterate and dependent citizens to this country.
But, noooo.....

Gary Scoggin

Things I’ve learned lately.
1. There are some in our community that have no qualms about separating children from their families.
2. It’s all about money.
3. Everything President Trump says is true.

Jim Forsythe

If we wanted to stop Overstays and illegal crossing we would have already have done it. Asylum seekers are another issue, as at this time, for them to get to the finial court, it is 10 to 11 years. Some do not make it past the first round of the process, but the one's that do, it is years in the system.
I believe you are right, as it is all about the money, as money trumps all.
"Migrant youths detained at the border are housed at more than 100 government-contracted shelters, detention centers and other facilities across the country.
The groups operating them have hauled in more than $1 billion in contracts in recent years to house, transport and watch over migrant children in federal custody."


George Croix

Gary was being highly facetious, Jim, unless I'm really missing my guess.
Evidently, he knows where there's a money tree that 30,000 plus illegals a month can pick a new life from, and the rest of us greedy rhymes with plastered taxpayers can go pound sand... [beam]
Tomorrow, the campaign to turn criminals loose from jails and back out into the population with a promise to return for trial begins, so citizens committing illegal acts, too, can keep their kids with them...we need to try harder to treat our own citizens as good as we do illegal aliens.....
That third item shows he needs more cold Diet Coke, and maybe a Snickers bar, and less of whatever else he's been drinking......Pres. Trump is nowhere near as truthful as other Presidents....I know, because I saw it in a 'video'.....[beam][beam][beam][beam]

Who knew that facetious was contagious....

Carlos Ponce

Jim F posts "If we wanted to stop Overstays and illegal crossing we would have already have done it."
Overstays are handled by ICE. They have 6000 agents, 3000 who are field agents, 3000 who handle paperwork like overstays. they have been overburdened since Obama was president. And Liberals want ICE abolished. ICE is blamed for work done by the Border Patrol (US Customs and Border Protection), a different government agency. ICE is not responsible for the "separation of families" as the vocal Liberals claim. Wrong agency.

Jim Forsythe

Ice is not the problem.

Carlos Ponce

But overburdened ICE is responsible for stopping Overstays......

Jim Forsythe

Ice may need to be changed, but that is not the major problem.
Until DC decides to act on immigration, nothing will change.
To much money to be made off immigration for the changes that need to happen, to be done..

"Department of Homeland Security merged a number of federal law-enforcement agencies with the Border Patrol to create a new combined agency called U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). "
"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (or ICE) is an American federal law enforcement agency under the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) responsible for identifying, investigating, and dismantling vulnerabilities regarding the nation's border, economic, transportation, and infrastructure security."

George Croix

Ten to eleven years....
Do nothing for decades to keep your own country from becoming a hole, then come to this one, and get more given to you by taxpayers in the decade you wait for your 'asylum' case to be resolved, than you'd have made in your entire lifetime in the old country...and don't bother assimilating, unless you just want to....help make this country just like the one you left.....
Ain't America great, or a large part of it really confused about the difference between compassion and being taken big time advantage of....of course, nothing is too bad when someone else pays for it....
It's all about POWER. The totally deranged 'resistance' understands that all they need is enough votes to get back in power fully, then just pass universal amnesty, lower all border restrictions, give away the farm as long as OPM holds out, and they'll cement power...forever.....
So close in 2016...so close.....
If that Scooby van had gone to Wisconsin and the President and everybody else hadn't lied about 'the video' and PO'd the remaining sane people enough to get off their duffs and go vote that Party out, we'd not be talking about building border walls...we'd be talking about 'the world without borders'...or, immigration anarchy, as they have found out in Europe....

Gary Scoggin

Boys! Boys! Don’t make me come up there!

Carlos Ponce

Gary, you might hurt our self-esteem if you did that![wink]

Gary Scoggin

That’s it boys! No dessert for a week.

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