Last year, the liberal mainstream media published a big lie suggesting illegal migrants are as law abiding as citizens. The liberal mainstream media combined conduct of illegal migrants with 80 million legal migrants.

Law enforcement agencies all across America disputed the story, and asked for a law enforcement survey. That survey found legal migrants are slightly more law abiding than citizens. Valuing their rights, they obey our laws.

The law enforcement survey found illegal migrants are six times more likely to be law breakers and 22 times more likely to commit violent crimes like rape and murder. Only 3.4 percent of population illegal migrants commit 13.8 percent of all crimes.

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Emile Pope

Nope. You're totally wrong...

Steve Fouga

Wow, Gary, that’s really informative. Please publish a link to the report.

Carlos Ponce

Steve:
"The Cato study concluded that 'legal and illegal immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives' and the Sentencing Project concluded in their report that 'foreign-born residents of the United States commit crime less often than native-born citizens.'
But the issue isn’t non-citizens who are in this country legally, and who must abide by the law to avoid having their visas revoked or their application for citizenship refused. The real issue is the crimes committed by illegal aliens. And in that context, the claim is quite misleading, because both of these studies combine the crime rates of both citizens and non-citizens, legal and illegal."
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/327229-crimes-by-illegal-aliens-not-legal-immigrants-are-the-real
"The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest. Critics say it is no accident that local, state and federal governments go to great lengths to keep the data under wraps."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-crime-wave-data-shows-frightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals
"Illegal-immigrant crime calculations conveniently and invariably steal a base by leaving out the millions of crimes committed by illegal immigrants related to procuring fraudulent social security numbers, obtaining false drivers’ licenses, using fraudulent green cards, and improperly accessing public benefits."
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/illegal-immigrant-crime-rates/

Carlos Ponce

Steve, read: "The impact of illegal aliens on crime rates"
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/01/impact-illegal-aliens-crime-rates/
"Report: DACA-age illegals far more likely to commit crimes, be in jail"
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-daca-age-illegals-far-more-likely-to-commit-crimes-be-in-jail
"According to DHS status indicators, over 279,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and January 31, 2019, of which over 189,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS.
Between June 1, 2011 and January 31, 2019, these 189,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 295,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 539 homicide charges; 32,785 assault charges; 5,737 burglary charges; 37,234 drug charges; 403 kidnapping charges; 15,991 theft charges; 23,701 obstructing police charges; 1,660 robbery charges; 3,473 sexual assault charges; 2,170 sexual offense charges; and 2,976 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 120,000 convictions including 238 homicide convictions; 13,662 assault convictions; 3,158 burglary convictions; 17,930 drug convictions; 175 kidnapping convictions; 7,100 theft convictions; 11,336 obstructing police convictions; 1,013 robbery convictions; 1,710 sexual assault convictions; 1,153 sexual offense convictions; and 1,282 weapon convictions."
https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm

Gary Scoggin

Context on what Carlos shared. From the report he cited...

“These figures do not attempt to allege that foreign nationals in the country illegally commit more crimes than other groups. It simply identifies thousands of crimes that should not have occurred and thousands of victims that should not have been victimized because the perpetrator should not be here. It is also important to note that these figures represent the minimum number of crimes associated with criminal illegal aliens:”

Carlos Ponce

Read ALL the reports, Gary. Evident that illegal aliens account for much crime in Texas from the DPS article but that the CATO institute combined the crimes of legal resident aliens with the illegals skewing the results as indicated in other articles.

Emile Pope

First of all, it doesn't say how many people are here illegally. Nor does it state where they came from. Nor does it state how they arrived here. Many people came here to visit and just overstayed. So this survey is useless except as propaganda...

Emile Pope

Garbage. You take a report that doesn't support you, then disprove it without any evidence and consider it supporting your position??? Just provide evidence that people who come here illegally are these hardcore criminals responsible for the large number of crimes committed in this country. And backwards logic isn't it. Why doesn't the author provide some?

Carlos Ponce

"First of all, it doesn't say how many people are here illegally."
No one knows, Emile.

Carlos Ponce

"You take a report that doesn't support you" WRONG! It along with the others support my claim. Bet you didn't even BOTHER to read each one. Typical Emile!

Emile Pope

Let's see...you cite a source that doesn't know how many people are here illegally, who they are, where they came from, or how they got here. You have nothing...absolutely nothing. And oh by the way the "criminal offense" they were charged the most with was being here illegally. And the "convictions" they were found the most guilty of was being here illegally. You have nothing and convoluted logic won't make it so...

Carlos Ponce

"Emile posts, "Let's see...you cite a source that doesn't know how many people are here illegally......." No one knows, Emile. It does not disprove the findings of the DPS, the DHS, etc. But they can make educated estimates about how many are here illegally. According to the DHS, "An estimated 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States on January 1, 2015, compared to an estimated 11.6 million on January 1, 2010". They are just estimates but DHS is one of the cited sources.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf

Emile Pope

I notice that you don’t say where the illegal immigrants are from. So answer that. And 238 homicide convictions in 8 years out of 12 million illegal immigrants? That’s one-thousandth of one percent!!! Sounds like a crime wave to me...

Carlos Ponce

"And 238 homicide convictions in 8 years out of 12 million illegal immigrants?"
That is TEXAS only, Emile! There are 49 other states, Emile! 539 charges, 238 convictions meaning the cases are still pending or they killed more than one person. Granted Texas has one of the higher death by illegal rates among the 50 but there are far more throughout the United States!
And here's Emile claiming the deaths of 539 in just Texas is not a crime wave? Emile is the person who considers the deaths of a few due to the actions of police officers "criminal". Those that were "criminal" you can count on your fingers. Most of those killings were justified like Michael Brown - that's not my opinion but the finding of the Department of Justice under Obama appointee Eric Holder.
I find your lackadaisical attitude towards the deaths of hundreds in Texas from illegals sickening.

Carlos Ponce

"I notice that you don’t say where the illegal immigrants are from. So answer that."
Does it matter, Emile????? No it does not. They're from outside the United States. They're here illegally.

Steve Fouga

Thanks, Carlos.

Logic tells me that illegal aliens are more likely to commit crimes when in the U.S. than either legal aliens or native citizens, since they were willing to commit a crime to get/stay here, and because it was likely disadvantaged circumstances that led them here to begin with.

I wouldn't apply this logic to an individual, say, as a member of a jury, but I'm comfortable with it as a generality.

Carlos Ponce

Emile, whenever you disagree with something you state it's wrong but never provide any proof of its invalidity. It's wrong because Emile says so? That's a very weak argument.

Alan Waters

There you go again Carlos... Stop trying to convince with facts. Intelligent people would get tired of looking incompetent and become embarrassed and realize that they are outgunned and hang their head and go away. But not Emile....

Carlos Ponce

Alan, hope springs eternal. When I was teaching I had a group of students who insisted that AD meant "After Death" not "anno domini". I finally convinced them by throwing the who gamut of verification at them; a dictionary, online sources, their textbook. They were middle school students but some forum users act the same. But there's always one student who proves "challenging".

Jarvis Buckley

Emile . Why is the article wrong?

Carlos Ponce

Last night's rallies in El Paso had a lot of Hispanics in both with Trump supporters outnumbering NO'Rourke's by better a than 2 to 1 margin.
But it was interesting to hear from a Robert NO'Rourke supporter. "Go ahead and build the wall. We'll just walk around it."
"We" ?????
Was that a thinly veiled hint as to the citizenship status of his supporters?

Emile Pope

More people went to see Beto...

Carlos Ponce

"More people went to see Beto..."
Bullstuff!

Emile Pope

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lied-getting-special-permission-171816187.html

Carlos Ponce

There were about 10,000 in El Paso. 69,000 had applied for permission. It was standing room only for an arena that seats 8000. They placed wide screen TVs outside the arena to take care of the overflow. When you add those who viewed the event from their home we're talking about hundreds of thousands. Trump was told by arena officials they had permission from EPFD for the above capacity crowd. Did arena officials LIE about that? More than likely it was a misunderstanding between the El Paso Fire Department and the arena officials.

Emile Pope

The seating capacity was 6500. And 69,000 did not apply to go. That was a number donald simply made up. The Fire Department said that they were never asked about going above capacity. All of the talking points were proven wrong. Simply more made up garbage...

Carlos Ponce

"The seating capacity was 6500."WRONG!
"El Paso County Coliseum – maximum capacity 11,000"
https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop08022/chap_5.htm
If he had used the Sun Bowl......
"Sun Bowl Stadium – maximum capacity 51,500"
To attend you had to apply for "tickets". 69,000 DID apply.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/rallies/feb-elpaso-tx-2019

Emile Pope

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-lied-getting-special-permission-171816187.html

Emile Pope

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2019/02/11/el-paso-fire-officials-say-trump-crowd-estimate-permission-not-true/2844091002/

Carlos Ponce

Emile, Trump's people got special permission but they cannot tell anyone about it since others using the facility would demand the same treatment. They wish Trump hadn't said it. While they will not admit to allowing that many in, it happened. This is inside information. If you don't believe it, too bad.

Emile Pope

When some says that a "law enforcement survey" states something but fails to mention the survey or provide a link to it, I have a right to question its validity. I do not believe something said based solely on the person saying it. That's why I don't support republicans...

Rusty Schroeder

Sounds exactly like what you do every time you argue against the facts given by others.

George Croix

"It simply identifies thousands of crimes that should not have occurred and thousands of victims that should not have been victimized because the perpetrator should not be here.'
Simply?
SIMPLY??
The WHOLE POINT is criminal activity, and it is indisputable that criminal activity in this country by illegal aliens would not have occurred had those illegal aliens not been here.
Who CARES whether one side is more likely to commit a crime, when one side is a US citizen or legal resident and the other is not, and the 'not' side should not have gotten the chance to continue their criminal activity, beyond entering the country illegally.
This is a USELESS argument about 'more likely' and it just allows more delaying and diverting and obfuscating the problem by the usual suspects advocates for illegals.
Insanely, the current back-and-forthing over physical border barriers, a 'wall', got stalled out for a while in the 'negotiating' committee as the Left P&M'd and demanded FEWER criminal illegal aliens, those who committed a crime in addition to illegal entry, be detained b y ICE!!!!
Think of that!
The Left wants FEWER criminals detained......they want more TURNED LOOSE in this country, while arguing about 'likely to commit crimes.....!!!!!
The sheer un-fixability of that should give anyone with even a smidgen of concern for rule of law not just pause, but stopped dead in their tracks.
It's NUTS!!
The 'resistance' is what it is.........................

Diane Turski

Ha! Ha! As soon as the term "liberal media" is used, everyone should know that the source is biased and should be ignored.

George Croix

Mr. Pot said to Mr. Kettle, "You, Sir, are black....!"

[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Don Schlessinger

IMO "Liberal Media" is actually a nice term. The right label for that group should be Socialist Media.

Gary Miller

The report by Town Hall concluded the law enforcement report was not complete because most 'sanctuary' cities refused to answer questions. News Max says non participation by sanctuary cities indicates the truth is worse than claimed.

George Croix

Anyone out there...anyone...anyone....REALLY want to try and argue, much less prove otherwise, that the overwhelming majority of the MSM is not liberal/left??
I won't even require that each person so attempting keep their own faceS straight........[beam][beam][beam]

Steve Fouga

I certainly wouldn't argue; many of the more popular shows-networks-editors-publications make it obvious through endorsements, opinion pieces, and outright admissions based on their own polling/statistical data.

George, why do you suppose that, on the whole, mainstream media leans left? All of these media institutions exist to make a profit, so the inescapable conclusion is that their readers/viewers prefer left-leaning sources. I guess this is because, even though more Americans identify as conservative than liberal, the gap is shrinking, and a large majority identify as liberal or moderate, as opposed to conservative. Conservatives are outnumbered by a margin of about 65% to 35%, so it stands to reason that right-leaning media would not be as prevalent as left-leaning.

I would prefer more straight-down-the-middle reporting, and a balance of left-right opinion, but apparently that's the least prevalent of all.

George Croix

I've got my personal opinion about why, Steve, although I'd substitute "falling over sideways' for 'leaning' left...and that opinion is based primarily on two things, neither of which can be readily overcome just because a majority of people disagree or even dislike:
1) The Golden Rule of anything related to money
2) Captive audiences
Again, these are my OPINIONS, based on my own observations and deductions/conclusions.....there's no 'link' to my non-existent web site.....[beam][beam] (ALSO, they do NOT take into account the negative cause and effect(s) of 'social media' as an information source, a problem likely to become even worse, a lot, than it already has...).

So, lead in to both....

The MSM has largely abandoned straight news reporting in favor of entertainment and ideologically driven commentary..... while the pretense of 'objective journalism' remains exactly that...pretend.
This is readily seen on any...any....TV 'news' show and any other media source, including newspapers, that have NO, to at best token, 'opposing viewpoints' besides the primary one of the media source... The 'reporting' rarely if ever presents any information that does not fit the narrative the owners/editors/focus groups/polling wish to convey. This is, imo, a fact for pretty much all of the current media sources in this country, with a few...few...at least offering equal to near equal time for opposing narrative.
This is all exacerbated by the general, imo again, devolution of attention span, and critical thinking ability, of a population 'benefitting' from an 'education' where 'feeling good about oneself' and 'nobody left behind' is considered more important than actual LEARNING and thinking to produce positive results.....if just passed along anyway, why work harder to get better while others skate.
It's how Joy Behar an d Sean Hannity, to name but two, can BOTH be considered by MILLIONS to be objective, credible 'news' sources when they are at best commentators and at worst propagandists.......additional examples abound

Which results in why it is...why 'we' put up with such:

1) The people with the 'Gold' make the Rules. The money men, the owners and/or 'directors' of these media sources, are mostly from the political Left, just like most other entertainment venues and personalities are..... All kinds of 'why' scenarios come to mind, but why you got hit by a car is less important than the fact that you did....analyzing doesn't change the outcome....it must be dealt with as is.


2) If you're the, or one of the, only games in town, people must play or find another game. I certainly can think of nobody that I FULLY agree with or any business that I like all the offerings of. But almost all people...almost...and a great number of businesses that I can find something that I like and WANT and which is more convenient, or necessary as the only one, for me to get from that source.
For common examples, try and find a movie that is NOT filled with actors that you would not personally invite to your own home, but if you want to see a movie, you're stuck with watching them...AND the adults in the rooms know you can't always get only what you want. If you want to see if your name's in the Obits that day before getting out of bed, and there's only one paper, then you are their captive audience.

Etc.

Simplistic?
Sir Willem got that label all the time, yet the sharpness of his Razor is undeniable................


Steve Fouga

My post above, and my response, is even simpler: mainstream media leans left because that's what their audience wants.

Not every audience member, but 65% of them.

George Croix

Well, then we'll agree to disagree...
Nothing new about that........................[smile]

Gary Miller

Steve. You may be backwards . Latest poll I've seen said Liberal 22%, Independent 52%, Conservative 26 %.

Gary Scoggin

It depends on how you define MSM. FoxNews is the most watched cable news outlet in the Country, which I would say qualifies them as Mainstream. They certainly aren’t liberal/left. Is the WSJ liberal/left?

George Croix

Makes sense that TWO is a synonym for most..... if there were only three....
C’mon......seriously?? Arguing against the existence of an overwhelmingly leftist media(s) because a handful are not??
That’s like arguing not ALL clover has 3 leaves....using the obvious to obfuscate the point.....
Stand still and let somebody 100 yards away fire a round of 12 ga 00 buckshot at you....,not all of the 12 or 15 pellets will hit you....😀😏🎯

Gary Scoggin

hmm. I’m just asking how the biggest cable news network in the country isn’t considered mainstream? Maybe with the fragmentation in the media today there is no such thing as a unified MSM. Maybe there’s right wing media and left wing media and — occasionally— a centrist media.

Mike Zeller

Townhall is an American politically conservative website, print magazine and radio news service. Previously published by the Heritage Foundation, it is now owned and operated by Salem Communications. This tells you all you need to know about the tilted facts they use, and the spin that Carlos uses from the Heritage Foundation.

Carlos Ponce

Can you disprove what they write, Mike?

George Croix

What is desperately needed over a broad spectrum of the American citizenry is a 'link' to the ability to PERSONALLY reason and draw conclusions from multiple sources.

This is especially important since the 'link' to common sense became corrupted.....

IMO, as always....

Gary Miller

I would define the MSM as "criminal socialist media" working for the Democrat party to destroy America as we know it.

Gary Scoggin

“Criminal Socialist Media”. Thanks for that useful definition.

Paula Flinn

Conservative think tanks, newspapers, and organizations along with Fox News skew the news to the right just as much or more than the MSM does to the left.
Actually, Liberal and Progressive Democrats think the same thing about President Trump and the Republicans—that they are destroying America as we know it—removing environmental regulations from corporations, arguing with our allies, withdrawing the US from treaties, cuddling up to dictators, raising tariffs, tax cuts to the rich, and trying to kick people off their healthcare without a new, viable plan. Fortunately, we have a more balanced government, otherwise Medicare and Social Security would be on the chopping block, as Paul Ryan wanted.
Democrats are not evil, as President Trump called them. They want as many people as possible to participate in the benefits, wealth, and freedoms that this country offers to hard-working people, the middle class, of the United States. Democrats are not criminals, and the MSM is not “criminal socialist media.”

Steve Fouga

[thumbup] This is so much nicer than how I nearly worded it. I'm glad I waited. [cool]

Mike Zeller

[thumbup] The midterm elections proved that the majority of Americans think like Paula and Steve.

George Croix

For the House, or the Senate. [beam]
We'll never know how it might have turned out had nearly 30 in the House not decided to retire, so that incumbent factor went out the window.....
But, a loss is a loss, and so far, if the new members are actually a reflection of the 'majority' of voters, then what the majority of voters for the new House majority want is more illegal immigration and more 'free stuff' and a return to the economy of 2016.
Maybe doing the same things over again will draw a different outcome this time.....
[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Carlos Ponce

"The midterm elections proved that the majority of Americans think like Paula and Steve."
God Blessed Galveston County!

George Croix

"They want as many people as possible to participate in the benefits, wealth, and freedoms that this country offers.....,"

I agree with that.
Unfortunately, it includes MILLIONS of illegal aliens, and more to come......

Any truth to the rumor that Nancy wants to put signs at the border that say "Lawbreakers Welcome...Come On In and Get Some Stuff.....It's FREE..."
[beam][beam][beam][beam]

I would encourage Pres. Trump to actually cooperate and give the Speaker and the 9th Circuit exactly what they want.....illegal aliens.
In fact, he should direct that ALL of them that fall under 'catch and release are given a free bus or airplane ride to San Francisco, and delivered right to the front door of the Court and to Nancy's house.
You want 'em, you get 'em, you pay for 'em.....

Gary Miller

You want 'em, you get 'em, you pay for 'em. with state funds, not Federal.

George Croix

That's why send 'em to Nancy and the Ninth.
They LOVE illegals more than legal citizens out there on the Left Coast....send 'em some more love......ALL of it....
I bet the whining would be heard all the way to Madawaska.....

Carol Dean

And it means that the legal, middle class tax paying citizens are "footing the bill" for all of that "free stuff".

George Croix

Carol, as long as so much of the country is filled with people who vote and can repeat 'walls don't work' with a straight face, both of them, the legal citizens are going to KEEP paying the hundreds of billions of bucks yearly that such characters think is a better deal than a one time expense of about that much to really build a wall that would stop probably stop 9 out 0f 10 illegals, whether we like it or nto.
SO, at least if we're going to get screwed for the money anyway, let the San Francisco goobers who keep fighting for more illegals HAVE them, on their doorstep. The cost is the same to you and me in tax monies, but the other 'benefits' of massive influx of illiterate unskilled dependents and cloggers of schools, ERs, and hospital maternity wards will be there, where they are Much Loved by the 'Our Future Voters' bunch........out of sight if not out of mind and pocket book....one out of three is better than none.............

Paula Flinn

Meanwhile, the Republicans keep on voting for rich people (the top millionaires and billionaires) to have tax cuts so that they can create jobs and spread the wealth! Only thing is, they DO NOT. They just invest more, move their companies to where labor is cheap, stow extra cash offshore, and enjoy making themselves richer. “Trickle down” does not work—never did, never will.
A single-payer Health Plan will come someday to this country. It will be no more “Socialist” than Medicare or Social Security. Conservatives are merely afraid of the word. It will not be perfect, and people may still have to pay some price for services and meds, but it will be for everyone.

Carlos Ponce

Wow, Paula considers me rich - and I'm just living off my TRS retirement annuity!

George Croix

Hope that square needle wasn’t too painful. ...
You DO know that the people you voted for to be Pres. ARE top 1%, huh ? And Nancy and Chuck and pretty near all of the folks who complain about what they are themselves.....they’re 1%, too.....
Single payer? That’s probably CORRECT, because if the monumentally stupid Green New Deal got passed, there would soon be nobody left with any money to pay for anything except the last man standing- the single one still able to pay....
Where does the DemPsrty get such characters? A buy one get a thousand free sale at the psych ward......
Gruber May have been right after all....

Jarvis Buckley

Hatred & ignorance , here on valentine day . A day of love &
Appreciation.

George Croix

That’s the spin, Jarvis....but the reality is lipstick on the same pig as yesterday and tomorrow......

Jarvis Buckley

That's why Republicans gained seats in the Senate right mike.!!

Paula Flinn

Carlos, Netflix made 845 Million in profits last year and managed to pay $0 in taxes. I really wasn’t referring to you, but if the shoe fits....
Jarvis, I don’t see the hate or ignorance here. Families are doing their taxes and because of the new tax law, they are finding out that they did not pay enough withholding to Uncle Sam, and now they owe, whereas last year, and each year before, they received a return from the IRS. It’s a fact.

George Croix

How do they owe more this year when the 2018 rates were lower?

Gary Miller

George. By being like college educated socialists. Not understanding when they reduced their witholding rate the rebate would be less. Some are so dense they had more in their take home checks all year without noticing.

George Croix

No, Gary.....Trump STOLE their refund.....never mind ending up AHEAD on money in hand...
I’ve got a very liberal Uncle-in-law so have learned to speak some of their language and comprehend it s not, but gave up trying to understand any it......🤷🏼‍♂️

Carlos Ponce

Paula, I once taught MATH OF MONEY when it was offered as a Texas High School Math course. I taught my students the BEST scenario is to break even when it comes to income tax. Otherwise that "return" is the tax payer loaning the government money (interest free) throughout the year and then getting it back.
Look at it this way:
Paula, lend me $1000. At the end of the year, I'll repay it - interest free. Does that seem fair to you?
With the decreased tax rate the people kept MORE of their money throughout the year. Money they either spent, invested or gave away in donations.
I recommend every worker check their W-4 forms and see that just enough is withdrawn to cover their taxes. Foolish to give more. But it's your money. If you want to loan it out to the government interest free, that's your business.

George Croix

Oops. I missed the part about not enough withholding so now they have to send in.
BUT THET PAID LESS INCOME TAX IN TOTAL, right. Had to.
So, you make it sound like they had to PAY more but in reality they are paying a lower total tax for the year, but they did not manage their deductions so enough was automatically taken each month.
That’s not the tax law fault, it’s the taxpayers fault. ANY changes in ones tax status requires checking to be sure deductions correct, and that is the responsibility of each taxpayer, to file a W4.

Carlos Ponce

As for Netflix, they "actually paid $131m in foreign taxes during 2018".
"US tax law – going well back before the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – has allowed for companies (and individuals) to claim a tax credit on certain foreign earnings to avoid double taxation."
https://www.stock-analysis-on.net/NASDAQ/Company/Netflix-Inc/Analysis/Income-Taxes

Paula Flinn

And that helps the US Government how?

Paula Flinn

Amazon = 11 Billion + in profits. $0 US Taxes.
Did they pay foreign taxes too? Seriously?

Carlos Ponce

"And that helps the US Government how?"
Netflix and Amazon hire PEOPLE, people who pay taxes, people who buy cars, people who buy homes.people who buy groceries, etc. The law allowing companies to use foreign taxes paid as a tax credit on American taxes. It was in place before Trump became president.
See: " 26 U.S. Code § 903. Credit for taxes in lieu of income, etc., taxes"
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/903
"26 U.S. Code Subpart A - Foreign Tax Credit "
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/subtitle-A/chapter-1/subchapter-N/part-III/subpart-A

George Croix

Interesting to point to Netflix and Amazon when mentioning not paying taxes. Netflix Reed Hastings and Amazon Jeff Bezos just happen to be staunch, nay, wildly enthusiastic Democrat supporters.....Bezos for sure HATES Trump like any good ‘resistor’ and Hastings chewed his old buddy in Sil. Valley out for supporting Trump.
I’m pretty sure both Netflix and Amazon have been around since before 2016......I forget who was President and had the worst economic policies/recovery redultd in a half century.....some unimportant guy why got an Emmy or some award for talking from both faces at the same time......gone now, and irrelevant.....
WAIT!!!! Don’t forget Jeff Immelt when he headed GE and paid squat despite being an ‘economic adviser’ for that irrelevant now guy....😀😀😀😀🥜🥜🐿🤑🐎

George Croix

Resulted???

Resulted.....

Look like that spelling was as big a failure as that guy was....

Gary Miller

Paula. They reduced their witholding and stopped giving government free money. The will now pay their taxes with the savings the tax bill provided. Overall a lot better off except for those dummies who think owing some after saving more is higher taxes.

Steve Fouga

Whether a person pays more or less tax in 2018 depends solely on their income and how their particular opportunities for deductions were affected by the new code, not on how much was withheld or anything else. Simple as that. Most will pay a little less. A few will pay a lot less or a little more. As far as I can tell, no one will pay a lot more.

Anyone counting on their refund, or trying to "time" it to meet obligations, or being surprised by the size of their refund, needs to pay more attention to their finances and learn better money management. I speak from experience, fortunately now decades old. [whistling][innocent][cool]

Emile Pope

How'd they do in the House?

George Croix

What a crew headlining the 2020 Dems Attempted Presidential Unseating
An old codger rich guy constantly bad mouthing rich guys and who honeymooned in Russia.
A hyperactive 1024th Central American Indian who built a career lying about being Native American.
A two faced anti rule of law pot smoker who listened to music by two top black rappers before they even made any.
And ‘Spartacus’.
The sketeboarding accident scene leaver is still deciding....
The namesake for Bidenisms who to show his gun knowledge on the subject of what anyone ‘needs’ for sel defense said to just walk outside with a double barrel shotgun and “”fire two blasts”, presumably into the air although he didn’ clarify the stupidity isn’t declared but the MSM says he’s front runner.
Daffy Duck will announce soon after seeing this field of competitors he can easily beat....😉🐿🥜

Steve Fouga

The field is already unwieldy. Conventional wisdom says Biden is the frontrunner, even though he hasn't yet declared. I like Joe, but I hope he decides not to run. I think Booker, Harris, and Klobuchar are serious and formidable candidates, any of whom could beat Trump if he decides to run, or makes it that far. At this point, I can't see him running.

I hope Montana senator Jon Tester, centrist Democrat, and Nikki Haley, somewhat centrist Republican, will enter the race. Like you, I wish for an election where I could vote FOR someone, rather than against.

Jim Forsythe


Steve, I could see a Klobuchar,Tester ticket. They would give a real choice from a Trump, Pence ticket, if Trump does not dump Pence.

Steve Fouga

I'm glad to see there's open discussion of a Republican primary. Bill Weld has no realistic chance, but someone else might, depending on whether Trump's approval with Republicans erodes.

George Croix

Where is ya’lls loyalty????
Clinton and Kane, together again in 2020....no matter how they did..,👍
This time IN the bus, not under it.....🦃
Leading up to Nov. 2020 THE one constant guaranteed carried over from 2016 is the assurances by pollsters and pundits and prognosticators that Trump hasn’t got a chance.....
Brought to you daily from a Chipotle in Wisconsin, where they will ALL be residing, lest the ignorance of ignoring come back for a second haunting....
Will Trump win if he runs for a second term? Depends entirely on how much ‘free stuff’ his opposition promises, and whether it’s a productivity battle where the bottom line matters, or just a popularity contest where liking is better than doing.
Or, same as why that last guy, I forget his name, got ‘more flexibility’ ....😀😀😀😀😀

Jim Forsythe

George, in 2016 pollsters mostly got it right. They were predicting that Hillary would win the popular vote which she did, Most polls do not predict the EC, but at least one said that Trump would win the EC(which is risky for them to do), which he did. Most polls have a plus or minus of 3 points, which in this case meant that it could have went to either candidate by what most polls were saying.
Will Trump win in 2020, who knows, but campaign season will start heating up in about 4 months, and it will become clearer who is running for 2020 and who is running for 2024 and beyond. Some will run just to get their name better know for next time.

Carlos Ponce

"but at least one said that Trump would win the EC"
More than one, Jim, but you did post "at least one":
Remember, 270 Electoral to win presidency.
AP: Hillary 274 Trump 190
FiveThirtyEight: Hillary 301 Trump 235
Princeton: Hillary 304 Trump 215
Larry Sabato and University of Virginia: Hillary 322 Trump 216
Rothenberg & Gonzales: Hillary 323 Trump 197
Moody’s Analytics: Hillary 332 Trump 206
LA Times: Hillary 352 Trump 186
http://time.com/4561625/electoral-college-predictions/
Emerson: Hillary 323 Trump 215
https://www.ibtimes.com/electoral-college-map-update-pollster-predicts-hillary-clinton-landslide-winning-all-2443087
ACTUAL: Hillary 227 Trump 304

George Croix

Jim since we’re not France the only polls that count ARE the ones related to the EC because that’s how we choose a President. The rest are just fodder for whatever target audience OR attempts to direct voters/voting.
Only Slim and None thought Trump would win, and slim left town early.
It was, imo, the biggest election surprise since ‘Dewey Wins’, barely beating out “Community Organizer Tosses Opponent Under Bus”....

Carlos Ponce

But who predicted Trump's win?
Primary Model.com
Vox
Alan Abramowitz of Emory College
Yale University Professor Ray Fair
USC/Los Angeles Times poll
Trafalgar Group
Michael Moore

Jim Forsythe

AS it was getting closer to election day Trump was gaining support. The closer to election day polls were taken , the better Trump did. This is just some of what I found in the past. The election in 2016 is over , so I will not look up anymore form the past.
From CNN: There are very few things that the Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton campaigns agree on these days, but one point of total agreement is that this race has tightened over the last 10-14 days."
September 2, 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has pulled into an effective tie with Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, erasing a substantial deficit as he consolidated support among his party’s likely voters in recent weeks, according to the latest Reuters/Ipsos national tracking poll released Friday.

Oct. 2, 2016 270towin.com, Clinton has 267 electoral votes, Trump has 266

Trump, who had trailed Clinton in every poll conducted since late July, narrowly led in the latest LA Times/USC Dornsife poll, published on Saturday. Saturday’s poll marks a two-point improvement for Trump according to the LA Times poll, which on Friday showed Clinton leading by 1%. This marks the continuation of a trend in Trump’s favor.

The last three national polls before this had Trump up three points, one point, and seven points. The poll that had Trump up seven, by the way, is the LA Times daily tracking poll . His lead actually expanded further overnight in that one, although again by a statistically insignificant margin. He went from a lead of 6.6. points yesterday to a lead of 7.3 today.


Carlos Ponce

But the few who predicted a Trump victory were drowned in a sea of pollsters and Liberal pundits who predicted a Hillary landslide. Have they learned their lesson? Nah! They continue peddling results skewed to the Left and the gullible quickly accept them despite a poor track record.

George Croix

Bending reality, not just facts, Beto now says he’s in favor of tearing down EXISTING border barriiers....
Gotta love it....same guy P&Mg about school funding....
Go Beto!!!
Really far....away.....

Steve Fouga

Hard to believe he actually went there. I asked the question as a joke a few days ago, in this forum. Beto is in my list of pretenders, along with Warren, who will make a lot of noise but ultimately fall by the wayside. His wish to tear down existing barriers will come back to haunt him; the electorate is nowhere near that "progressive."

George Croix

Does ANY currently fashionable Democrat give a pile of stuff about American cities and legal residents as a primary concern??!
Any of them?
Any of them!
🙃

Steve Fouga

Klobuchar and Booker.

George Croix

If you’re right the Repubs will run ENDLESS campaign commercials showing Bookers ‘Spartavus’ BS and following with clips from the actual movie where Kirk Douglas is asked and says that yes he’s Spartacus then 25 others stand up and all claim to be Spartacus.
A truly stupid bit of self-serving stuff.
More might be expected of a Rhodes Scholar....

George Croix

Sorry, Steve. I’m right now sitting in the dark waiting for hogs to show up for their final meal and screwed up and put the wrong reply...
It SHOULD have been iIm not convinced one way or the other on K but Bs performance with Kavanaugh showed me a self-important jerk more than happy to do some railroading.
Imo, as always...

Steve Fouga

Yeah, Booker, Warren, and Beto have definitely created ammunition for the Repubs to shoot them with. Klobuchar not so much, as far as I know. She's about the most likeable presidential candidate I've seen yet. I'm giving Booker the benefit of the doubt, for now. My impression of him MOST of the time is that he's NOT a d***. I'm not sure what he was thinking, with the whole Spartacus thing.

George Croix

Well, I have no use for political railroad conductors so would agree he’s not one of those ‘d’ words as it relates to a man, although weasels have them to....

George Croix

ps:
It may be just me, but I got a lifetime supply of ‘likeable’ between January 2009 and 2017. It’s #10 on my ten point Giveadarn list....

George Croix

This article being about ILLEGAL immigration, despite the convenient excising of that qualifier by the GDN headline writer, here’s an example of not just MSM protection for them but US House of Reps. too:
“Democrats this week approved legislation to require background checks for essentially all sales and transfers of firearms -- but rejected GOP-led efforts to amend the legislation to alert law enforcement authorities when gun buyers, including illegal immigrants, fail those background checks.”
I see their true colors shining through..,
Protect illegals no matter what.,,

Jim Forsythe

George, to get the 60 votes required in the Senate on most subjects is hard. After amendments, who knows what it will look like. So it could pass, but not look anything like it started out as.
I do not know if the following is what you were talking about.
"Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) has proposed legislation that would allow potential gun buyers to conduct background checks on themselves and present certification to sellers. Coburn said his plan would give gun owners comfort that they are not selling firearms to criminals or the mentally ill.
Coburn said he expected a vote on his amendment on Thursday.
But Democrats and gun control advocates say the Coburn proposal is too weak because it would not require record-keeping to help law enforcement prosecute illegal sales and transfers. " This is the part that they most likely will work on .

George Croix

No
I wrote about the legislation in quotation marks above.
As an example of just how little Democrats care about actual ‘gun control’ that would PREVENT people not legally allowed to get one from doing so by not even allowing notification of law enforcement for failed background checks. It’s a crime to falsely fill out the government firearms purchase form. WORST was the proposed amendment also would have notified law enforcement if an illegal alien tried to purchase a firearm. This was rejected by Democrats!!!’
Ergo, with them it’s all about more restrictions for honest firearms owners and a pass given to people who shouldn’t have them.
Nothing new there but they’re usually less open with their two faced crap.

George Croix

ps:
I know such BS is unlikely to get past the Senate but it’s very useful to put the lie to Democrat claims of not targeting honest firearms owners when they PURPOSELY EXCLUDE from their legislation the dishonest and/ or criminal attempts to purchase firearms.
All talk and no walk....

Jim Forsythe

The best way for a state to have the right to allowing notification of law enforcement is for them to pass it themselves. We already have some states that have done so. We have laws in place that are not being followed like they should.
"Submitting false information on a background check is a felony under federal law, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. But as many as 160,000 people are denied a gun purchase each year because they failed a check. Few are ever apprehended, much less prosecuted. Available federal and state data suggest that the percentage of arrests as a proportion of denied sales is extremely low — likely in the single digits."
In 2010, more than 76,000 people failed a federal gun background check. Of those, 4,732 cases were passed to the ATF for further investigation. The majority of those cases involved felons, domestic abusers, and people with active protective orders against them.A total of 62 were ultimately referred to U.S. attorneys for prosecution.
What some states have done. I do not see Texas on the list.
Pennsylvania is one of eight states where lawmakers and police have sought to boost arrests and prosecutions by passing laws and implementing so-called “lie and try” policies requiring local law enforcement agencies to be notified whenever someone fails a background check. The goal is to give police a tool they can use to arrest dangerous individuals before they can secure a gun and possibly harm someone.
In early April, Tennessee became the latest state to enact a “lie and try” law or policy, joining Pennsylvania, California, Colorado, Illinois, Utah, Oregon, and Virginia in doing so. The states currently considering similar measures include Maryland, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan, and New Hampshire.


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