Many conservatives in the Republic Party are wondering if they really are conservative anymore.

If you believe in creating a $1 trillion deficit, adding $2 trillion to the debt, putting children in cages, separating children from their parents, calling people childish names in public, turning a blind eye to dismembering a journalist, bowing to Russia, refusing to accept the findings of the intelligence committee on Russia interference, calling African nations derogatory names, cheating on your wife, paying off multiple sex partners to silence them, having sex with a porn star, alienating our allies, disgracing a decorated Vietnam veteran even after his death, and calling Americans the "Enemy of the State" makes you a conservative, you are wrong.

You are a Republican.

John R. Cobarruvias

Houston (Clear Lake)

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Randy Chapman

M.A.G.A.

Gary Miller

JOHN R. COBARRUVIAS! I suspect you are more correct than you think. Real Conservatives are joining Independents. Years ago many Democrats were conservative. Then socialists took over the DNC. Conservative Democrats switched to GOP. For several elections Conservatives ruled the GOP. At the end of the 20's liberals ran as Republicans to have a chance of winning. Today the only place for Conservatives is independent. Conservative Independents elected Trump and will re elect him again.

Carlos Ponce

What's the alternative, John R. Cobarruvias? Democrats?
I'm a Conservative and I always vote for the more conservative candidate. Democrat candidates don't fit that bill. Now the front runner Bernie of the Democrat Tribe (although he admits he's really Socialist) wants prisoners in prison, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, to vote.
And other Democrat candidates are endorsing infanticide (abortion up to and after birth).
As far as putting people in "cages" that was inherited by Trump from Obama. The "cages" were built during the Obama administration. It was investigated and photographed by Democrat Henry Cuellar in 2014 but no attention was given to it.
Examine this article from June 12, 2014:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2656622/Caged-diseased-Shocking-pictures-child-illegal-immigrants-flooding-border-Joe-Biden-calls-unrelenting-stream-migrants.html
And the accompanying pictures:
"Congressman Henry Cuellar, a Texas Democrat, took the photos on his camera phone to highlight the terrible conditions children are being kept in. Congressman Henry Cuellar took these shocking images to highlight how overwhelmed the US authorities are with the recent tide of illegal immigrants."
The deficit and debt are going up as it did during the Reagan administration and for basically the same reasons. Rebuilding the military post-Carter and post-Obama neglect takes money. The tax and spend Congress didn't help the deficit and debt.
"bowing to Russia"??? That's not true.
"calling African nations derogatory names" like Obama did?
"cheating on your wife" like FDR, Kennedy, Clinton? etc., etc., etc.
Trump may not be Conservative but he's closer than any other candidate. There's a lot of Conservative ideas on his agenda.
Think you can do a better job, John R. Cobarruvias? Go ahead and toss your hat into the ring.

Emile Pope

Garbage. donald is a horrible president, a crook, and a con man. And guilty of crimes according to the Mueller report. Trying to defend by bringing up others (whataboutitis) is a lame excuse. Especially when the examples are false.

Carlos Ponce

"And guilty of crimes according to the Mueller report." You're on a roll, Emile. Another LIE.
"Especially when the examples are false." Really? Which one? Check with Democrat Congressman Henry Cuellar on the "cages" he photographed during the Obama administration.
https://cuellar.house.gov/contact/sendmeanemail.htm

Gary Miller

Emile. Mueller didn't exonerate Trump, Prosecuters can't exonerate anyone, they file charges and a court or judge must convict or exonerate. Mueller filed no charges . Case closed. I have a question for you. Has your fake news informed you about what is happening to Seattle? Detroit plus?

Cary Semar

The alternative is Mike Pence. Not my favorite statesman, but I would feel better if he were president than the incumbent.

Carlos Ponce

You can vote for Mike Pence on 2024, Cary, during Trump's last full year in office.

Cary Semar

Now that is what I would call a nightmare scenario!

Carlos Ponce

No, I'd call it God's will.

Gary Scoggin

So, that would mean Obama was God’s will also.

Bailey Jones

Donald Trump is the best thing to ever happen to the Republican Party. For decades I've had to listen to Rs drone on about their supposed fiscal responsibility and aversion to deficits. No more. For decades I've had to listen to Rs bleat about the moral superiority of the moral majority. No more. For decades I've been told that xenophobia and racism among the Rs was a myth. No more. D J Trump is an eye opening godsend. No impeachment, please - Republicans deserve the full measure of their triumph! (Cue the sycophantic rebuttals.)

Carlos Ponce

I guess you missed my post, Bailey. Here it is again. This time wear your spectacles.
"The deficit and debt are going up as it did during the Reagan administration and for basically the same reasons. Rebuilding the military post-Carter and post-Obama neglect takes money. The tax and spend Congress didn't help reduce the deficit and debt."

Bailey Jones

No, I didn't miss it Carlos. lol.

Jim Forsythe

To blame the budget size only on the Congress, is passing the buck. Who has the power of the pen and is the last one to sign off on the budget, Trump. If you think it is congress fault, what party was in power for many years, including most of Obama time.

Federal revenues only increased by 1 percent this year, held down by a big drop in corporate payments thanks to Trump tax cuts. Meanwhile, the bumper spending bill that allowed expanded military and domestic programs increased the cash flowing out of American coffers by 4.4 percent.

Carlos Ponce

We need an item line veto like a Republican Congress gave Bill Clinton. It was ruled UnConstititional. This time around - make it stick.

Jim Forsythe

You want Trump to use something that was ruled UnConstititional.
I was under the impression you were for the Constitution.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, do you have your glasses on? I posted, "This time around - make it stick." That means make it Constitutional!

Jim Forsythe

The Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3, in Clinton v. City of New York, that the line-item veto was unconstitutional because it gave unilateral power to the president to amend the text of laws — which is the legislative branch’s, not the president’s, territory.

Carlos Ponce

A "line item veto" can be made Constitutional.

Jim Forsythe

A "line item veto" can be made Constitutional.
By a l mandate from Trump? Even he would not try this!
It has been ruled Unconstitutional and to change this ruling would require,what?

Bailey Jones

"It has been ruled Unconstitutional and to change this ruling would require,what?" - just a couple of justices whose loyalty to the president that nominated them exceeds their loyalty to judicial precedence.

Carlos Ponce

It requires a Constitutional Amendment which is doubtful sine many in Congress don't want to give up their pork barrel.

Gary Scoggin

Exactly right, the party is being run by RINOs. I long for the days of real Republicans.

Jim Forsythe

If you describe a RINO as someone that belongs to a party, because all he wants is power. look no further than Trump.
Trump has shopped around for a party for many years too find one that fits his needs. He's been a member of many parties. The Independence Party of New York, Democratic party, Republican Party and had no party affiliation" (independent) for a period of time.
The last time he turned Republican was on April 2012 which he did for one reason, to run for president.

The following shows how much he is concerned about Trump and not the Republican's .
2011
"The concern is that if I don't win, will I run as an independent, and the answer is probably yes," he said. "That bothers me only from the standpoint that if I don't win, we're not going to get a Republican, and Obama gets re-elected."

Maris Helfrich

AMEN! Thank you for the good summary of why so many of us are totally frustrated by the GOP's response or lack thereof to this corrupt, incompetent administration. The cowardice is demonstrated most dramatically in the lack of outrage over what the Russians did and are doing to our Democracy through the facilitation of the this administration. Wake up!

Carlos Ponce

OUTRAGE! NUKE THE RUSKIES! Is that what you want Maris?????? Trump has done more than Obama ever did to Russia. This DID happen during the OBAMA administration. Obama told them to "Cut it out." Very decisive! NOT!

Gary Scoggin

The best alternative is Bill Weld, a fiscal conservative that believes in personal freedom. Mike Pence would be more of what is making the Republican Party so bad.

Cary Semar

The Republicans could have Mike Pence now, if they wanted him. The Democrats would be glad to help. To get Bill Weld, you will have to wait for the next election.

Steve Fouga

I'd love to see Nikki Haley, Bill Weld, and Trump fight it out for the nomination.

Gary Miller

Trump isn't a Republican, he is an Independent who ran as a Republican. Independents nominated him and elected him and America is better because a Republican or Democrat weren't elected. Independents will re elect Trump in 2020. Republicans or Democrats can't do anything about it.

Cary Semar

The Trump administration is like a crippled airliner with one engine out and a fool at the controls. It is time to land this plane.

Gary Miller

Y'all ain't paying attention to what is going on. The tea party joined the independents. Several polls over the last coupla years say independents are now over 66 % of voters. That is more than Republicans and Democrats combined. More recent polls say many minorities who used to vote Democrat are now Trump supporters and the majority of Republicans are Trump supporters. If any of the polls are correct former Democrats, Conservatives joining independents and most independents pleased with Trump, he now has a winning following. If you are angry about what Democrats say they want to do to America or angry about what RINO Republicans haven't done you can join the Conservative independents to keep the good times going.

Jim Forsythe

Only 39 percent of voters surveyed in the new poll, which was conducted Friday through Sunday, approve of the job Trump is doing as president. That is down from 44 percent last week and ties Trump’s lowest-ever approval rating in POLITICO/Morning Consult polling — a 39 percent rating in mid-August 2017, in the wake of violence in Charlottesville, Va.

Carlos Ponce

POLITICO/Morning Consult Poll. Examine the other questions....
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016a-467a-d50f-a96a-ef7b52ba0001
Which primary will you vote in?
Democrat 45%
Republican 34%
Political Leaning?
Democrat 37%
Republican 30%
Tells me they are over polling Democrats.
Trustworthy? NOT!
Also interesting: Who did you vote for in 2016?
Hillary 36%
Trump 33%
Other 9%
Didn't vote 22%
Unless they weren't old enough to vote, does this represent America in 2016? No.
Translate only those who voted:
Hillary 45.7%
Trump 42.6%
Other 11.7%
What did Politico/Morning Consult predict in November 2016?
Hillary 45%
Trump 42%
Johnson 8%
Stein 4%
Looks like they're using the same data base 3 years later.
Now compare to actual 2016 returns
Hillary 48.2%
Trump 46.1%
Other 5.7%

Steve Fouga

Today's Conservatives, at least those with a conscience, definitely have a dilemma.

I think Carlos's comment near the top of this thread sums up, in different words, the Conservative's credo: "The end justifies the means."

Carlos Ponce

No implication of that in any of my posts, Steve. It's all in your mind.[scared]

Steve Fouga

I probably agree with you on most of the Democratic field. I wish the Republicans would run a traditional conservative, almost literally anybody other than Trump or Pence. I'd like to see 3 or 4 Republicans and 3 or 4 Dems fight it out in the primaries. I would feel so much better about that, than 20 Dems and Trump.

Jim Forsythe

Steve, the number of Democrats will decrease after March 3 2020, as that's Super Tuesday.
Also this is about the time many will be running out of campaign funds.

Steve Fouga

You're right. It can't come soon enough, in my opinion. Man, I'll be pretty upset if we get Trump vs Biden.

Carlos Ponce

The DNC still has it's Super Delegates to insure the elites have their way and say. The only modification is that they cannot vote on the first round in convention. Who's the "favored"? Look to see who gets the Super Delegates. Once again, the fix will be in. But that's your party. You can cry if you want to.

Jim Forsythe

Changes made to the process.
Superdelegates will no longer vote on the first ballot at the convention unless there is no doubt about the outcome. To win on the first ballot, the frontrunner must secure the majority of pledged delegates available during the nominating contests (primary and caucus) leading up to the Democratic Convention. We estimate 3,768 total pledged delegates, with a majority being 1,885.
If the frontrunner has fewer than 1,885 delegates, the pledged delegate vote will† lead to a contested convention. On subsequent ballots, all delegates become unpledged and superdelegates will also vote. A majority of all 4,532 delegates (2,267) will be needed to secure the nomination. Given the large field, front-loaded calendar and the party's proportional allocation process, a contested convention is by no means an unlikely outcome.

Steve Fouga

Good one, Carlos! But it's not my party. I'm proudly independent!

Carlos Ponce

I smell a donkey......

Mike Zeller

C'mon Carlos, you know I could make a good list of you smelling a donkey(ass) jokes.lol That's just too easy. [smile]

Jim Forsythe

When the leader of your party, thinks that that type of behavior is the way to behave, what do you expect.
But do not say anything about him.
You are right it would be easy lower oneself to that level, but who would want too.

Carlos Ponce

"When the leader of your party...."
The leader of MY party is GOD![innocent]

Gary Scoggin

Jim was talking about Republicans, Carlos. I don’t know what party you’re referring to.

Carlos Ponce

Conservatives. Trump, Evangelicals are colluded with GOD!

Jim Forsythe

Gary, party of one!

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