In response to the letter by Michael Sartor ("Banning the sale of firearms won't stop violence," The Daily News, Aug. 15): He makes a valid point. In addition, even if gun sales are banned, what do you do about the 300 million firearms already privately owned in this country?

Hillary Clinton suggested an Australia-type buy-back program, but that would be prohibitively expensive and wouldn’t get all the guns, anyway (violent crime increased in Australia). Let’s face it: The horse is out of the barn. It’s too late to think gun bans are the answer.

Interestingly, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor had been bombed in December 1941, the Japanese had no desire to invade the U.S. mainland because, as he put it, “There would be a gun behind every tree and bush.”

Thank goodness the Founding Fathers had the wisdom to protect our rights.

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Bailey Jones

While I agree that "the horse is out of the barn" WRT gun ownership, your Yamamoto quote is almost certainly misattributed. Interesting history of Japan - they lived in more or less peaceful isolation for over 200 years until the US forced them at gunpoint to open their nation to our trade and influence. The Japanese were so humiliated that they embarked on one of the greatest modernization and militarization schemes in history in an attempt to gain the kind of power the US so often, and so casually, flaunted in the 19th century. There is a direct line between the arrival of Commodore Perry at Tokyo harbor in 1853 and the arrival of the Japanese fleet at Pearl Harbor not quite a century later. So, while your quote is misattributed, it is certainly true that the Japanese learned a thing or two from America's obsession with guns.

Josh Butler

The United States will never be able to 'ban' anything with a porous southern border.

Gary Miller

Violate crime increased in Austraila after the gun buyout. Violate crime increased in the UK after their gun confiscation. Violate crime increased in Chicago when anti gun laws were passed. WHY? Because only honest people obey laws. Disarming honest people just increases the power of dishonest people. Government estimate there are 300 million guns owned by citizens in the US. 300 million guns they think they know about but perhaps more than that they don't know about.

Bailey Jones

I'd be interested in knowing where you get your Australia statistics. What I've seen - from the Rand corporation and the Australian Government's Institute of Criminology show that both homicide and robbery rates are down since the gun ban. Regardless, no one kills like Americans.

According to the Rand Corporation, some laws may have an effect on violent crime - concealed carry and stand your ground laws may tend to increase it, background check and mental illness restrictions may tend to decrease it. But that's all just fiddling around the edges. Americans kill because that's our culture. Guns will go away when Americans no longer feel that guns are the solution to our problems.

The good news is that murder rates continue to fall, as does the percentage of households that own guns (even as the total number of guns increases - more and more guns in the hands or fewer and fewer people).

Gary Miller

Bailey>More people owning guns. Yes most conservatives own guns, the increase is liberals buying guns. They are buying guns to protect themselves from the same criminals conservatives want protection from.

Bailey Jones

Americans make up 4 percent of the world's population but own about 46 percent of the entire global stock of 857 million civilian firearms.

American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly 400 times as many as law enforcement.

Half of all US civilian guns are owned by just 3% of American gun owners.

Carlos Ponce

And when you take ALL THOSE firearms into consideration, only a teeny tiny minuscule percentage are used in committing crimes, Bailey. A HUGE percentage are in the hands and used by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

Bailey Jones

"And when you take ALL THOSE firearms into consideration, only a teeny tiny minuscule percentage are used in committing crimes, Bailey. A HUGE percentage are in the hands and used by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS exercising their 2nd Amendment rights." Well, sure, Carlos. Just like terrorists are a minuscule percentage of Muslims and rapists and drug dealers are a minuscule percentage of Mexicans. I don't blame guns for our murder rate. I'm just pointing out that the rest of the world seems to get along fine without nearly as many of them.

Carlos Ponce

"I don't blame guns for our murder rate." You could of fooled me![innocent]

Jim Forsythe



Doing the same thing, will have the same outcome.



To try and justify murder's in the USA by saying some other counties tried to do something and we should not try because it did not work, is just justify no change. Buy back did make a difference in Australia

As far as Australia, they had 225 murders in 2010.

In the United States , between 1999 and 2014 there was 185,718 homicides from use of a firearm and 291,571 suicides using a firearm.

One can not compare the USA and Australia because of the difference in population.

Any claim that violent crime spiked after the National Gun Buyback in 1996 is simply untrue.

In 1996, Australia's population was 18.31 million and in 2010, 22.03 million. In 2015, 23.91 million. With a 33% increase in population, assaults have gone up 10%, robberies per capita have remained static; the incidence of homicides and sexual assault have gone down per capita.




Carlos Ponce

From the Australian Government website:

https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi359

"Violent crime is generally defined as including the offence categories of homicide, assault, sexual assault and robbery (both armed and unarmed).

Homicide - Homicide rates since the early 1990s have fluctuated slightly.

Assault - Between 1995 and 2006, the rate of recorded assault rose significantly from 562.8 to 829.4 per 100,000 people.

Sexual assault - The prevalence of sexual assault is also reported to be increasing. Since 1995, the rate of recorded sexual assault increased by 22 percent, from 72.5 per 100,000 people in 1995 to 88.4 in 2006.

Robbery - Recorded rates of armed robbery began to increase in the early 1990s, peaking twice in 1998 and again in 2001."

Bailey Jones

http://aic.gov.au/publications/sr/sr002

Emile Pope

Interesting how you didn’t mention the rates in this country...

Carlos Ponce

As Jim posted, "One can not compare the USA and Australia because of the difference in population."

Also you can add the fact that Australia is completely surrounded by water and has a vetting process for entry. Ports of entry are accessible only by ship.

Bailey Jones

Australia's homicide rate is about 1 per 100,000 peeps, down from 1.8 per 100,000 several years ago. In the US, the rate is 5 per 100,000. By state, it goes from a low of 1 (New Hampshire) to a high of 12 (Louisiana). Texas is a middling 5. California is a little lower at 4.6. As in most measures of civilization, the rates tend to be worse in the south.

"Also you can add the fact that Australia is completely surrounded by water and has a vetting process for entry." Carlos seems to be implying that our homicide rate is 5X that of Australia due to the influx of brown people. I'm not aware of any evidence that supports this assertion, maybe Carlos can enlighten me, as he is want to do.

Carlos Ponce

It's called "common sense", Bailey. The United States has enough problems with native born killers without adding problems from other countries. Read the DOJ "Alien Incarceration Report Fiscal Year 2018, Quarter 2":

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1154711/download

"A total of 59,945 known or suspected aliens were in DOJ custody for a range of offenses at the end of the second quarter of Fiscal Year 2018 (FY18)."

"According to DHS status indicators, over 279,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and January 31, 2019, of which over 189,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS. Between June 1, 2011 and January 31, 2019, these 189,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 295,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 539 homicide charges; 32,785 assault charges; 5,737 burglary charges; 37,234 drug charges; 403 kidnapping charges; 15,991 theft charges; 23,701 obstructing police charges; 1,660 robbery charges; 3,473 sexual assault charges; 2,170 sexual offense charges; and 2,976 weapon charges."

And that's JUST TEXAS! So far, "238 homicide convictions" in JUST TEXAS.

Now "common sense" tells us that subtracting these illegal alien charges and convictions would give a lower rate of criminal activity in this country.

Emile Pope

Total garbage. Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than American citizens. In fact, for most the only crime they ever commit is coming over here illegally...

Carlos Ponce

"Total garbage. Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than American citizens." That's real GARBAGE, Emile. What you report came out coupling BOTH legal and illegal immigrants together.

Carlos Ponce

"Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens" -2015Do"https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html

"SCAAP Data [State Criminal Alien Assistance Program] Suggest Illegal Aliens Commit Crime at a Much Higher Rate Than Citizens and Lawful Immigrants" - 2019

SCAAP is governed by Section 241(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 8 U.S.C. 1231(i), as amended, and Title II, Subtitle C, Section 20301, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Public Law 103-322.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/scaap-data-suggest-illegal-aliens-commit-crime-much-higher-rate-citizens

Bailey Jones

OK, Carlos - let's put your data to the test.

Population of US = 327,000,000. At 5 homicides per 100,000 peeps, that's 16350 homicides per year. 539 homicides during the roughly 7.5 years in your study equals about 72 homicides per year attributable to illegal aliens. 72 homicides comes out to 0.022 homicides per 100,000 peeps.

Now, BUILD THAT WALL!!!! .

Congratulations, Carlos, thanks to your wall (and it's 100% success rate at keeping illegals out) our homicide rate is has dropped from 5 to 4.978 per 100,000! Well done!

In other words, common sense - backed up by the data you provided - tells us that the impact of illegals on our homicide rate is negligible.

Carlos Ponce

If you study history you will know how the Spanish conquistadors under Francisco Pizarro conquered the Inca. Cuzco was a walled city but the wall was INCOMPLETE. Pizarro sent his men AROUND the walls that existed to conquer the Inca. Now, once the wall at the US-Mexico border is complete then you may look at the crime statistics. You seem to mock the progress of wall constructions and lessened crime rates resulting. If only ONE LIFE is saved - isn't it worth it?

Carlos Ponce

This from the DOJ, August 22, 2019:

In 1998, 63% of all federal arrests were of U.S. citizens; in 2018, 64% of all federal arrests were of non-U.S. citizens.

Non-U.S. citizens, who make up 7% of the U.S. population (per the U.S. Census Bureau for 2017), accounted for 15% of all federal arrests and 15% of prosecutions in U.S. district court for non-immigration crimes in 2018.

The portion of total federal arrests that took place in the five judicial districts along the U.S.-Mexico border almost doubled from 1998 (33%) to 2018 (65%).

Ninety-five percent of the increase in federal arrests across 20 years was due to immigration offenses.

In 2018, 90% of suspects arrested for federal immigration crimes were male; 10% were female.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6666

Emile Pope

Citing a right wing blog is not proof. Especially when it uses insinuations and "suggests" as fact. Just a bunch of jumped-to conclusions and conspiracy theory...

Emile Pope

How many lives would be saved by background checks but you still oppose them...

Carlos Ponce

We HAVE background checks, Emile. Problem is that items like creating a "hit list" and a "rape list" while a youth is not considered because of the age of the culprit. Another problem is the reporting agency needs to do its job. Remember the Sutherland Springs killer? He had a dishonorable discharge from the Air Force which should have disqualified him from purchasing a firearm yet a background check did not reveal this. Now think of all the shootings in Chicago. Most bought their firearms off the street - no background check required. And the Santa Fe killer took his father's guns without permission. Do you really think adding MORE background checks would change anything? Officials are already inundated with the current laws but we need to enforce the current laws before adding more. Doubtful that more laws would change a thing.

Carlos Ponce

"Citing a right wing blog is not proof." https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6666 is NOT a right wing blog but a GOVERNMENT website, The Bureau of Justice Statistics, run by the OJP - Office of Justice Programs (ojp.gov). Did you miss the ".gov" designation????????

Bailey Jones

I'm not debating the efficacy of your wall (even though it leaves the Gulf coast, Atlantic coast, Pacific coast and entire northern board unprotected - just sayin'), I'm only addressing your assertion that illegal immigrants are to blame for our excessively high murder rate. Your own data shows that assertion to be false. (To falsely blame our murder rate on brown people crossing our southern board is what our friend Gary might label "race-mongering".)

What steps are worth pursuing in order to "save a single life" is an entirely different question. I would argue that banning high capacity clips would easily meet that criteria. I would also argue that red flag laws and closing the loop holes in background checks would also save at least a single life - quite possibly more than the 72 lives a year that your wall might save. So, can we expect you to be supporting these actions with the same enthusiasm as you have for your wall?

Carlos Ponce

Bailey Jones, you are reading things into my post that simply are not there. " assertion that illegal immigrants are to blame for our excessively high murder rate." Re-read my posts. I contend that the US has its own problems with native born murderers without adding those from other countries. And removing the criminal activity of illegals REDUCES our crime rate.And it is not my data, it is the US Government's data and that of the Texas DPS that proves me RIGHT.

"Gulf coast, Atlantic coast, Pacific coast and entire northern board" - any numbers on those whop cross illegally through these borders??????

"brown people"?????? Did I ever mention "brown people"?????? Illegals come from all over the world. You're beginning to sound like Joe Biden - making up stuff and getting confused. Check your meds, Bailey.

Jim Forsythe

We are now at more than one mass shooting a day.

A total of 340 mass shooting incidents occurred in USA, 2018. A mass shooting is described as four or more individuals being shot or killed in the same general time and location. If we are happy with the number of deaths, change nothing.



2018

Forty thousand people were killed in shootings last year (2017) amid a growing number of suicides involving firearms, CDC reveals

14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000.

Add in the suicides and the total becomes 12 deaths per 100,000 people – up from 10.1 in 2010 and the highest rate since 1996

Six countries in the world are responsible for more than half of all 250,000 gun deaths a year around the globe. The US is among those six, together with Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela and Guatemala.

Gary Miller

If 4 is a mass shooting how many of them are from liberal states or cities like Baltimore and Chicago with the most restrictive anti gun laws? Over half I suspect. Do anti gun laws increase gun killings?

Jim Forsythe

Gary , dead is dead. If you are happy with the number of deaths, seek no change. List can be made of all states and DC.

Most killers do not care if Republicans or Democrat's are in charge.

Nevada, Texas, both at this time are Republican. If they had been Demarcate, would it have mattered?

A lone gunman unleashed a rapid-fire barrage of bullets from the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel late Sunday, killing at least 59 people and injuring more than 500 others attending a country music festival below.

Mass shooting killed 22 in El Paso.

Santa Fe High School shooting 10 killed

Sutherland Springs church shooting 27 killed

2017 Plano shooting 9 killed and the list goes on.

Charles Douglas

I have it on the best authority available that because we are living in the latter days,......we haven't seen the worst yet! Like the great man of GOD T D Jakes likes to say, "GET READY, GET READY, GET READY!"

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