The 126 representatives and 12 senators who helped foment the insurrection with lies and disinformation clearly violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment and must be expelled from Congress.

Texans Randy Weber, Louis Gohmert and Ted Cruz can now get the status they so richly deserve: persona non grata. Leave the country.

And for the locals who continue to write to this page with clearly misinformative screeds, such as Mark Mansius' and Bill Sargent’s recent bombast ("2020 election riddled with claims of voter fraud," The Daily News, Jan. 6): repeating big lies doesn’t make them true.

When you repeat a lie, you're a liar. Using the “big lie” tactic of manipulating people does affect people and causes them to make poor decisions. You're responsible if you do that. And, in the end, the truth will prevail, and you will lose.

There are many pressing issues to resolve. We can best address them with open dialogue based on truths. Stop screaming the boogieman “socialism” at everything you don’t like or everything you fear. And figure out what socialism actually is so we can have an honest conversation.

In the meantime, let’s get ready for some special elections.

John Allen

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(38) comments

Bailey Jones

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Carlos Ponce

If you want a special election, go for it. Maybe another HUGE loss for the Trump haters will calm the yapping hyenas.

Charles Douglas

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Gary Miller

Yes! Please new elections without cheating. 75 million voters have seen the evidence even tho no liberal court will look at it. When a blind person's house is on fire they won't see it but it will be destroyed. Hiding truth is the MSM main purpose but the truth is there anyway.

Thomas Carpenter

Here comes the great white, about to breach!

Craig Mason

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Robert Braeking

Nobody helped 'foment the insurrection' except for the frustration of the voters that the Democrats and the Courts actively rebuffed efforts of the electorate to be heard. To quote a document from the past: "When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression."

Santa Anna did the same thing. Hopefully that same outcome will not become necessary. War is hell and there are no winners.

Dan Freeman

“ voters that the Democrats and the Courts actively rebuffed efforts of the electorate to be heard. ” you mean the bipartisan electoral boards, Trump appointed judges, Republican Attorney General, and Republican governors who declared the election fair and free of significant fraud. The seditious invaders of the Capital and their enablers need to be arrested, tried, and imprisoned.

Carlos Ponce

Trump does not appoint state judges, DAN.

Charles Douglas

Amen Brother Braeking! You did not fool around with it, Naw, Naw ..You slapped this one over the proverbial fence! Keep posting brother,..I love it!

Stephanie Martin

Where’s the proof there WASN’T voter fraud? There is proof there was.

Craig Mason

what's the proof?

Carlos Ponce

The forensics tests ran on on the voting machines for one.

Craig Mason

The forensics were clean. So you are a liar Carlos. The machines were not compromised.

Carlos Ponce

No they were not. I provided the link in another forum. Keep up!

AP claims they "debunked" it but name a completely different county in their report.

Jeff Patterson

Yep, all those state and federal court judges just got together and decided gee, we’re just gonna ignore all the evidence that gets brought to us; oh, and they talked to the Supreme Court, and they decided to do that too. Gosh, who knew this presidential election stealing stuff was so simple. Remember, you don't automatically receive an evidentiary hearing.........your evidence first has to pass the basic smell test, which evidently, none of it did. Also, in many of the cases, there was no claim of fraud actually made; even the lawyers knew the evidence wasn't credible enough to present.

Charles Douglas

...and Hunter was not selling influence and the Russian Hoax was real! [wink]

Craig Mason

and Ivanka didn't get 28 copyrights from the Chinese government....

Gary Miller

Jeff> Eye witness evidence has always been the strongest kind of evidence. 923 eye witnesses signed sworn affidavits they personally saw illegal conduct.

Jeff Patterson

We can keep going around and around in these philosophical circles, but it goes no where. Either Trump had the worst lawyers in the history of lawyering, and there was a vast coordinated conspiracy involving dozens, if not hundreds of judges (some appointed by Trump, including 3 Supreme Court justices), AND thousands of election officials and elected state officials, AND all the investigative power of the federal government and multiple state governments, OR......there was no systemic election fraud that swayed the election.

Bailey Jones

Actually, Gary, eye witness evidence is not good evidence - as evidenced by the number of "eye witness" convictions overturned by DNA evidence. This is very well documented. "Faulty eyewitness testimony is the most common uniting factor in cases shown to have resulted in wrongful conviction." - Cornell University Or just consider the recent case of the woman who assaulted a teenage boy because she "saw" that he had her phone (that she had just left in an Uber.)

I've seen eyewitness signed sworn affidavits from people who say they were abducted by aliens. Or saw Big Foot. Or both.

We have courts and increasingly professional investigative law enforcement for a reason. And that reason is to protect society from specious claims made by "eyewitnesses to illegal conduct".

Jeff Patterson

Very good point Bailey. Its interesting when you read through some of the affidavits and what really transpired; turns out that many were from folks who thought they saw "something", but that "something" turned out to be a normal part of the ballot processing process, and they either misinterpreted what was happening or didn't really understand the process enough to know what they were looking at, or, had ulterior motives to make the claim. I don't doubt that many of those affidavits were from folks who did think they observed something suspicious, but as you point out, that's why there are investigative and judicial processes in place to process those claims to see if they have merit.

Carlos Ponce

Jeff, many of those filing affidavits were voting veterans and knew what was normal and what was not

Ted Gillis

I’m sorry Stephanie, you can’t prove a negative, and you make no sense by asking the accused to prove that they “didn’t” do something. That’s not how the legal system works. Maybe that’s why none of the fraud claims have been taken seriously.

Stephanie Martin

Many courts refused to even look at the evidence. Why was that?

Craig Mason

because it didn't meet the threshold of being evidence.

Carlos Ponce

Craig Mason posts: "because it didn't meet the threshold of being evidence." It did.

Craig Mason

Lying Carlos

Carlos Ponce

Craig, all I can tell you is the truth. If you can't handle the truth, you have a personal problem that I cannot fix.

Jeff Patterson

You can search for and review the individual cases as well as I can, but some of responses from the judges were:

".....strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations … unsupported by evidence.” , "

Judge Bass in Georgia - “The court finds that there is no evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after 7pm on election day,”,

Judge Stephens in Michigan - “This evidence is inadmissable as hearsay. The assertion that Connarn was informed by an unknown individual what ‘other hired poll workers at her table’ had been told is inadmissable hearsay within hearsay, and plaintiffs have provided no hearsay exception for either level of hearsay,”

Judge Brann in Pennsylvania - “Plaintiffs merely assert in their complaint, ‘Hundreds or thousands of ballots were duplicated solely by Democratic Party inspectors and then counted.’ Plaintiffs’ allegation is mere speculation.

Judge Kenny in Michigan - “The motion is based upon speculation and conjecture. Absent any evidence of an improper practice, the court cannot identify if this alleged violation occurred and, if it did, the frequency of such violations. Plaintiffs have made only a claim but have offered no evidence to support their assertions. Plaintiffs rely on numerous affidavits from election challengers who paint a picture of sinister, fraudulent activities occurring both openly in the TCF Centre and under the cloak of darkness,” he said.

“Perhaps if plaintiffs’ election challenger affiants had attended the October 29 walk-through of the TCF Centre ballot counting location, questions and concerns could have been answered in advance of election day. Regrettably, they did not, and therefore plaintiff’s affiants did not have a full understanding of the TCF absent ballot tabulation process. No formal challenges were filed. However, sinister, fraudulent motives were ascribed to the process and the City of Detroit. Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.”

“Ms Carone, a Republican, indicated that she ‘witnessed nothing but fraudulent actions take place’ during her time at the TCF Centre. Offering generalised statements, Ms Carone described illegal activity that included counter tabulating machines that would get jammed four to five times per hour, as well as alleged cover-up of loss of vast amounts of data. Ms Carone indicated she reported her observations to the FBI. Ms Carone’s description of the events at the TCF Centre does not square with any of the other affidavits. There are no other reports of lost data, or tabulating machines that jammed repeatedly every hour during the count. Neither Republican nor Democratic challengers nor city officials substantiate her version of events. The allegations simply are not credible.”

Judge Bibas in Pennsylvania - “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here. The Trump campaign asserts that Pennsylvania’s 2020 election was unfair. But as lawyer Rudolph Giuliani stressed, the campaign ‘doesn’t plead fraud … this is not a fraud case’. Instead, it objects that Pennsylvania’s secretary of state and some counties restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots. It offers nothing more.”

Judge Russell in Nevada said he had “reviewed the full evidentiary record” and “considered, without limitation, all evidence submitted to the court” First, Judge Russell took issue with the testimony of Mr Trump’s witnesses, which was submitted in the form of affidavits, meaning none of them could be cross-examined while the declarations “also constitute hearsay”. “Most of these declarations were self-serving statements of little or no evidentiary value,” he said. “The court nonetheless considers the totality of the evidence provided by contestants in reaching and ruling upon the merits of their claims.” “Contestants did not prove under any standard of proof that any illegal votes were cast and counted,” he concluded.

Bailey Jones

pffffffft - those are all ANTIFA judges, Jeff!

Charles Douglas

Maybe not ANTIFA JUDGES, but they probably belonged to the " SWAMP!" [wink]

Mike Zeller

I'll show you mine (Jeff), if you'll show me yours (Stephanie). [smile]

Carlos Ponce

Looks like Mike Zeller is taking lessons from Artie Johnson's Tyrone F. Horneigh.

Jeff Patterson

[smile]

Stephanie Martin

From what I read, there are over 1200 affidavits of voter fraud.

Jeff Patterson

The plural of anecdote is not data

Carlos Ponce

Not anecdotal, Jeff. You're slipping.

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