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Bailey Jones

Maybe that's the solution - let's add a plaque next to the statue with the names of every Galvestonian who would like the statue removed.

David Schuler

Destroying history is fine and good when it's in line with your personal beliefs. At what point do Americans of Japanese descent demand that WWII hero statues and memorials be removed because they are offended, or German Americans demand that WW1 memorials be torn down because of how they feel when walking past? Rewriting history is a risky and dangerous precedent to adopt as a national strategy.

Claudia Burnam

[thumbup] E G Wiley

Don Schlessinger


Carlos Ponce

Sandra Sullivan, the statue shows a defeated Confederacy. Isn't that what you want?

David Hardee

Put my name in the column headed UNHYPHENATED AMERICAN for the preservation of the good the bad and ugly of history.

In K8 Public high schools, there is no history required. The curriculum is English or Language Arts, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies, Foreign Languages, Other Classes, College Credit. The only history class attainable is under the category of Social Studies.

Social Studies contains these options - per Texas administration - "Social Studies will count all courses in Anthropology, Economics, Government, History, and Sociology, as well as courses the General Education areas Ethical Reasoning, Societies of the World, and United States and the World, whether or not they are part of a student’s focus field in Social Studies." The consequence is proficiency in the U.S. history of our population is hardly scalable.

Street surveys and quizzing for answers to a question on history usually receive either a blank stare or a wrong answer. The majority of the population can’t tell the history of a statue or its reason for being on display. Doubtful many know the history of anything beyond their personal experience and within their local boundaries.

These statue destroyers were not aware of any insult etc. until the activists/leaders told them they were insulted. A courageous brave person that beats up a statue or burns books is someone to avoid. If the Statue beater has a large support group to hide in you can expect he is just doing a demonstration. If you’re around or in a demonstration beware and suspect among it could lurk some persons that are arsonists and thieves.

Just a possibility that I hypothesized - that might happen, someday.

If you want to remove it or add a plaque to it then there is a provision that will reflect and create a legal action adhering to the will of the people, referendum. Ask your demonstrators what a referendum is and does. Their answers might reveal much about social studies vs history.

Kimberley Jones Yancy

Mr. Hardee, I lived in Galveston County most of my life. My grandmother loved to go to the Eibands store in Galveston to buy her church hats. As a little girl, I loved history and reading every statue. I remember she had to go to the courthouse one day on our way to Eibands and I stopped to read that statue, my grandmother grabbed my hand and told me not to read that statue. It wasn't for us. That statue was given to glamorize slavery and put Confederate symbols on display to intimidate. It started happening all across the South. And as a Certified History teacher its time for those symbols to not be in the public square but in a corner illustrating our dark legal racist past since we want to honor treason.... smh...

Carlos Ponce

"those symbols to not be in the public" Broken sword and dismantled firearm.

Jarvis Buckley

I say stop destroying our history. Learn from it.

Emile Pope


Bailey Jones

When I was talking to Alexa this morning, she mentioned that today was the anniversary of the arrival of the Statue of Liberty from France. Then she told me something I didn't know. Lady Liberty was created to celebrate the emancipation of the slaves. An early model, now in the Museum of the City of New York, shows the original concept - Lady Liberty with her right arm raised and illuminating the world with a torch and holding the broken shackles of slavery in her left hand. The broken chains are still there, but now unmentioned - under her feet. By the time she was erected Reconstruction was over and the the whitewashing of the history of the Civil War was well underway. Her purpose was also rewritten, from celebrating the end of slavery to a much more generic "liberty". Ellis Island didn’t open until six years after the statue was unveiled in 1886, and that's when the association with immigration began. The plaque with the famous Emma Lazarus poem wasn’t added until 1903. But she was created to honor America's greatest achievement - the elimination of slavery and the fulfillment of the promise that all people really are created equal.

So, two points - first, history is always being rewritten. Second, I love monuments. I love them most when they celebrate what I love about America. Leave the statue of the failed confederacy where it is. We need the reminder that American was once so enamored with white supremacy that southerners were willing to destroy the nation to preserve it. Add a statue that celebrates emancipation - when the America that we all love began the long, long road to greatness. Future generations can add a third statue - when we get there.

Gary Miller

Bailey> All the statues of Democrats ( AKA Confederates) erected by Democrats after reconstruction ( AKA slave owners) should be torn down and destroyed. Erasing the memory of Democrat support of slavery, segregation and racial repression in the south is a welcome effort.

Bailey Jones

I agree in the case of statues glorifying the war and its leaders - particularly when they adorn court houses and schools. This one acknowledges their defeat, and is really about the common soldier, not the traitors who created the confederacy and instigated the war. I'd prefer to see this one as part of a Juneteenth memorial.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey gets it.

Charles Douglas

I can prove all of what the Progressives are doing out on the streets of America are politically motivated, self-serving, and are not what they believe is RACIST and OFFENSIVE to minorities! I can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt! [angry]

Raymond Lewis

Well, let's have it Mr. Douglas. Perhaps an op-ed that gives you more word space. Unless of course, you don't need it.

Charles Douglas

Here is why I said earlier that Progressives are not serious about Racism against Minorities, and Blacks ...Now they are uprooting, and destroying references, statutes and eracing names of RACISTS, and SLAVES OWNERS ...of this nation. They are now attacking names on syrup, and rice in our grocery stores we have bought and devoured for decades. Now these items offend the LEFT! Again the reason I said earlier, this is as FAKE as that Russian Hoax, is if they were serious, they would do something about all those who attacked and killed thousands and thousands of Native Americans, men, women, and kids, then stealing their land even in South Dakota! There they put the Heads of Four White Presidents on Sacred Native American land they took by force after lying and deceitfulness failed. ( Remember Wounded Knee? ) They erected the faces of these men on that mountain and at least two of the four men, were as much SLAVE OWNERS ..ABUSERS OF SLAVES, WOMEN AND MEN ALIKE, as Simon Legree was, in a famous novel by Harriet Stowe! Either they were guilty, or they were complicit by having hired people working for them who were ,....meaning they were responsible anyway! Now i need to know! With all that is going on today! With all the LEFT is saying, and doing,...why the [censored]....are We not hearing any attacks on MT. RUSHMORE? Why would that mountain and those heads be as racist and offensive to African-American as it should be to Native Americans? I'll wait...... ( hang onto your water ...this is going to be great! ).

Kimberley Jones Yancy

Charles Douglas, you do not speak for all African-Americans. You are from a generation that allowed these Confederate statutes and learned to live with Jim Crow because you were unable to change it during your season. With all due respect, please have a seat or pass the baton. This generation of African-Americans is NOT having it.

Charles Douglas

With all due respect to you Ms. Yancy, how do you think we as a people came from wearing chains, and leg irons to where we are today? It was NOT your generation who had to endure the hardships and the venomous, racist insults, and unkind acts which were prevalent during those desasterous, humiliating and inhumane times, neither did your generation get us this far! We did something about it! We stood up for what was right in the mist of risking being hauled off to jail and beaten to death, or worse hung from a tree! Have you ever held onto your mother's skirt tails and walked through a side door of a small grocery store marked "COLORED" Ms. YANCY? If you have, you have my apology, and synpathy, but if you haven't then you have no idea concerning what MY generation endured and what we did to stop what was going on back doing those turbulent times of history! The mere fact that YOU and your generation was delivered from such atrocious acts of evil is directly attributed to THE FIGHT and the risks my generation, BLACK AND WHITES people alike sacrificed through our contributions that yall would not have to experience what we experienced. So instead of integrating public facilities like we did, getting kicked, lambasted, and cursed out, yall are consetrating on rice boxes on shelves of grocery stores, & statue destruction! Instead fighting to get out of SEGREGATED schools like I attended yall are fighting to get rid of school songs! Must be nice to play football for a school like Texas, ...they would not let me in! Times change though,...My little sister got in, & so have many other minorities! People have to change, and you cannot mix politics in changing America like what is prevalent in America today,...you lose credibility if you try! Lastly, I would like to reinforce your statement that I don't speak for all African-Americans, and nobody else should either! That has been a longtime problem in the BLACK community, in that other races of people are made to believe there are one or two people who can speak for all African-Americans! So they will show up at a BLACK CHURCH, with hot sauce in their purse or brief case talking EBONICS, hoping to harvest the BLACK VOTE! Well that dog is getting tired, and does not have to much more HUNT in him. I would hope like others, every African-American citizen can and will be educated, enlightened, and astute enough to speak for themselves and vote their own choices, while NOT BEING TOLD IF THEY DON'T VOTE DEMOCRATIC THEY ARE NOT BLACK! That was one of the most demeaning statements hurled at the BLACK race I have heard in my life, but again, I am exercising my right as an American to speak for myself!

Samuel Collins III

Heritage should not be confused with history. History seeks to convince by truth, and succumbs to falsehood. Heritage exaggerates and omits, candidly invents and frankly forgets, and thrives on ignorance and error...David Lowenthal.

Wayne D Holt

How about this compromise: place a statue dedicated to the first 26 African Americans elected to Congress with the stirring words emblazoned beneath, "We honor the courage and determination of these heroes of the Republican party."

Can I get a witness?

Charles Douglas

Tick Tock..Tick Tock.....still waiting...............

Emile Pope

I'll compromise...if you want a statue in the courthouse of a Democrat, remove the one there now and put one up of President Obama. You'll have no objection from me...

Carlos Ponce

The courthouse statue has no political affiliation. Why add one does?

Gary Miller

Emile>Why would we get rid of an old time racist only to replace him with another racist?

The old time racist is dead and gone but Obama still lives and interferes.

Paula Flinn

So tired of your tirades against Progressives. President Obama is not a racist, and never was. I welcome President Obama speaking up. It’s good to hear from a President, like Obama, who cares about the American people, and who does not place himself before the Constitution and the American peoples’ interests. Lately, President Carter and President Bush have spoken up, too, against President Trump.

Just today, President Trump had his ads removed from Facebook because of the Nazi symbols on them. Also, before now, Trump knew nothing about Frederick Douglass, slavery, or Juneteenth. His ignorance of history is breathtaking.

When he lost the DACA decision today from the Supreme Court, did you hear what he said? He asked if the Supreme Court didn’t like him. In his mind, everything is all about him. We remember his promises to DACA in 2017. He made them all on TV, proclaiming his concern, his protection, and his love for the Dreamers. Wanting to deport almost 700,000 people is not keeping his promises to them. Do you think he’a forgotten his promises to them, or just trying to reverse another one of President Obama’s programs? The Dreamers were brought here as children and have only lived in this country. It would be a tragedy for them to be deported to a country where they have no family or roots, and may not even know the language.

Now that the content of John Bolton’s book is leaking out, it’s clear that the Senate should have asked for Bolton’s testimony during President Trump’s impeachment trial. Senator Mitch McConnell and the other Republican Senators were too afraid of what Mr. Bolton would say. President Trump’s whole term is just one Obstruction of Justice after another, says Bolton in his book, and he stated that President Trump is unfit for office. Mr. Bolton has written that President Trump asked China’s President Xi for re-election help (this election) and told him to keep on building concentration camps. You don’t have to believe John Bolton. He is just the latest person who has held a position (as NSA) in this Administration, and has written a book telling and showing you what you don’t want to see or admit.

Bailey Jones

Paula, I'm just happy to hear from a president who can speak at better than a 5th grade level.

Carlos Ponce

"Just today, President Trump had his ads removed from Facebook because of the Nazi symbols on them."

What was the offending symbol? A red inverted triangle outlined in black used by Antifa.

So Antifa is using an old NAZI symbol. The ad was used to point out the opposition to the Fascist Antifa.

Do a web search. That's the symbol Antifa uses. Actually the symbol predates the NAZIs and was used by Left wing groups.

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts "Trump knew nothing about Frederick Douglass, slavery, or Juneteenth".

Trump said: "I am very proud now that we have a museum on the National Mall where people can learn about Reverend King, so many other things. Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice. Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, and millions more black Americans who made America what it is today. Big impact."

What's wrong with that? Because of the Smithsonian Museum, the National Museum of African-American History and Culture, more will learn about Frederick Douglas.

Saying Trump knew nothing about Juneteenth is ignorant.

Presidential Message on Juneteenth, 2019

Issued on: June 19, 2019

Melania and I send our best wishes for a memorable celebration to all those commemorating Juneteenth.

On June 19, 1865, Major General Gordon Granger of the United States Army marched into Galveston, Texas, and issued General Order Number 3, declaring, “all slaves are free.” With this order, the message enshrined in President Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 was brought to Texas, unshackling thousands of slaves who had remained in bondage. Six months later, the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified, abolishing slavery in the United States once and for all.

That joyous day in June 1865 became known as Juneteenth. For millions of African Americans, Juneteenth has served as an opportunity to celebrate the fundamental truth that all people are created equal and that liberty is a right endowed by our Creator.

Across our country, the contributions of African Americans continue to enrich every facet of American life. This Juneteenth, as we vow always to uphold the God-given rights of all Americans, we pay tribute to the indomitable spirit of African Americans.


Trump haters point out that he picked June 19th for his Tulsa rally despite it being Juneteenth as not knowing its significance. Trump said "The fact that I’m having a rally on that day, you can really think about that very positively as a celebration because a rally to me is a celebration."

Jim Forsythe

A symbol of hate is still a symbol of hate no matter who uses it. Trying to justify the use of a symbol of hate, by saying it OK because a group of haters is already using it, does not make it OK.

Facebook confirmed the ads were removed because of the red triangle.

“We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate,” a spokesperson said. “Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.”

'Nazis used the red triangle to mark political prisoners and people who rescued Jews,' Bend the Arc, a progressive Jewish organization, confirmed.

The solid red symbol, however, is not widely used by antifa. A common antifa symbol is a pair of flags, one black and one red, inside a circle.

Also, a circle containing three arrows is sometimes used.

Carlos Ponce

"The solid red symbol, however, is not widely used by antifa." They use a downward red triangle outlined in black, Jim. Not all of them, but it's a symbol used by Antifa groups throughout the world.

Were you upset with the symbols of hate (swastikas) used in "Schindler's List" and other WWII films and movies to depict NAZIs. or the white robes used in anti-KKK films? It's the same concept.

Jim Forsythe

A symbol of hate is still a symbol of hate no matter who uses it. Trying to justify the use of a symbol of hate, by saying it OK because a group of haters is already using it, does not make it OK.

Carlos Ponce

So Jim is saying next time they make a WWII film, leave out the symbols of hate - swastikas and the like.

Answer truthfully: Before this week, were you aware of what symbols Antifa uses? Do you still deny the inverted red equilateral triangle outlined in black is one of those symbols?

"The inverted red triangle is widely used in Antifa-themed merchandise, on stickers, magnets, posters, and even Antifa-themed mobile phone cases."

Did you know Facebook lists the inverted red triangle as one of its emojis?


Click on symbols which will take you to:


If Facebook objects to it, why do they include it as an emoji????

Even after all this attention, IT'S STILL THERE!

Jim Forsythe

A symbol of hate is still a symbol of hate no matter who uses it. Trying to justify the use of a symbol of hate, by saying it OK because a group of haters is already using it, does not make it OK.

Trump has not said that he made a mistake in using this symbol and until he does he must think it is ok to use. He is aware of its past history and is still in promoting it in his message. Once you make a mistake in a national campaign, just say you did. The difference in the movies and what Trump did, the movies are showing history and Trump is using a dark symbol from the past to promote himself.

"Schindler's List" used swastikas because that was what was used at that time the film was set in. KKK movies have hoods in them because that is what they wore. Trump campaign has the red triangle in it because he has not a grasp of history. If he had, he would not have used it.

I was aware of a pair of flags, one black and one red, inside a circle being used and a circle containing three arrows.

Why, because these symbols were in pictures that were shown.

Carlos Ponce

Trump's ads used inverted red triangles because that is what Antifa uses throughout the world.


Paula Flinn

Carlos, Trump said that did not remember sending out that Juneteenth announcement in 2019. He probably had very little to do with sending that short note. He, himself, said this year that he knew nothing about Juneteenth before the rally in Tulsa was scheduled. When he asked about it they told him to say it would not be disrespectful to hold the rally that day because it would be a celebration.

President Trump made some comments in the past that proved he didn’t know who Frederick Douglass was, and he didn’t realize that Frederick Douglass was dead. He had very little knowledge of this country’s history before he took office. It’s a bit scary to find out what President Trump doesn’t know, or didn’t know 4 years ago. You don’t have to defend the President, because you have no idea what else he doesn’t know.

Jim Forsythe

Using Rode driehoek now? This is about triangles for traffic control. Since you have nothing to add, I'm done with this.

Carlos Ponce

Traffic control, Jim???? I suppose it takes a little intelligence to figure out what "antifascistisch verzet" means. Guess that's above your IQ.

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts: "Trump said that did not remember sending out that Juneteenth announcement in 2019." Not true.

Trump issued a similar Juneteenth statement in 2018.


If you still believe your statement is true provide a link. If you cannot, it's understandable because he never said that.

Carlos Ponce

"President Trump made some comments in the past that proved he didn’t know who Frederick Douglass was, and he didn’t realize that Frederick Douglass was dead. " FALSE

"He had very little knowledge of this country’s history before he took office." FALSE

Jim Forsythe

The symbol of the red triangle comes from the time of Nazism. In the concentration camps, prisoners were branded on the basis of a symbol. Political prisoners had to wear a red triangle. These included resistance fighters, syndicates, political militants, ... Other symbols were the pink triangle (LGBTQI prisoners, but also those convicted of rape, pedophilia, ...), the black triangle (work refusers and 'antisocial elements' such as addicts), the green triangle (criminals), the blue triangle (migrants), the brown triangle (gypsies), the purple triangle (Jehovah's witnesses) and of course the yellow star (Jews).

Bailey Jones

Not sure what you're referring to, Wayne. But if you want to celebrate African Americans in Congress, count me in:

African American Republicans serving in Congress:

1865 - 1899 22

1900 - 1949 2

1950 - 1999 4

2000 - present 5

African American Democrats serving in Congress:

1865 - 1899 0

1900 - 1949 3

1950 - 1999 76

2000 - present 92

I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to spot the trend.

Data available here - https://history.house.gov/People/Search/

Paula Flinn


Carlos Ponce

Nothing there that suggests Trump did not know what Juneteenth was and the Frederick Douglas quote I already posted doesn't prove your statement. Paula FAIL.

Paula Flinn

You didn’t read the whole article.

Carlos Ponce

I read what was pertinent. Your perception came from the writer's commentary and interpretation. Just stick with the facts ma'am, just the facts.

Paula Flinn

“On race issues, Mr. Trump said a black Secret Service agent told him the meaning of Juneteenth as the president was facing criticism for initially planning to hold his first campaign rally in three months on the day.“ Wall Street Journal

Carlos Ponce

Nothing here that supports your claim, just a writer's imagination. The Juneteenth commeration was posted in 2018 and 2019.

Jim Forsythe

Michael C. Bender, WSJ: You did move your rally off Juneteenth. Can you talk about why you did that?

President Trump: Well, I did that out of respect because I had two African-American friends and supporters. And most people, and I went to a lot of people, they didn’t they had not heard the term Juneteenth.

Bender: Do you know what it was?

Trump: I did something good. I made it famous. I made Juneteenth very famous. It’s actually an important event, it’s an important time. But nobody had heard of it. Very few people have heard of it. Actually, a young African-American Secret Service agent knew what it was. I had political people who had no idea. Did you ever hear of Juneteenth before?

White House Communications Director Alyssa Farah: I did from last year when the White House put out a statement

Trump: Oh really? We put out a statement? The Trump White House put out a statement?

Ms. Farah: Yes

Carlos Ponce

Jim, outside Texas, those in the United States who have heard of Juneteenth is relatively small. Most have not, at least not by that name.

And Trump was trying to make a point. Communications Director knew about Juneteenth from Trump's statement the previous year. That's how he made it "famous".

HuffPost reports, "Sixty percent of the public supports recognizing Juneteenth with a national holiday, and just 20% is opposed. Thirty-seven percent of all Americans strongly support the proposal. Among Black Americans, the figure rises to 62%. (How the question is framed appears to matter to some extent.)" They had to explain what it meant. They had to ask the question this way: "Have you ever heard of the holiday Juneteenth (sometimes also called 'Freedom Day' or 'Emancipation Day')?" 68% said they had. If they just left it as Juneteenth, the percentage would be smaller. 71% said they learned about it not as a child but "at a later time". They knew what "Emancipation" meant.

"Juneteenth is a holiday commemorating the end of slavery in the U.S. Would you support or oppose making it a national holiday?"

37% strongly support

24% somewhat support

8% Somewhat oppose

12% Strongly oppose

19% Not sure

Paula Flinn


Carlos Ponce

Nothing here of importance.

Paula Flinn

"I did something good: I made Juneteenth very famous," he told the newspaper. (WSJ) "It’s actually an important event, an important time. But nobody had ever heard of it."

Reacting to Trump's claim that he brought notoriety to Juneteenth, CNN anchor Lemon, 54, said "it's laughable" and "sad" that the leader of the free world wouldn't be aware of the landmark day.

"The president of the United States should know what Juneteenth is, but this president doesn't know, and pretending that he did and that he made Juneteenth famous — everyone knows that that is a farce and that it's what he does on a daily basis," said Lemon. "It is a lie." People Magazine

Paula Flinn


This one has all 3 of the statements you have marked FALSE. Problem is, they are all TRUE.

I do not hate President Trump. I am against some of the things he has tried to do, the inequality for LGBTQ and trying to get rid of DACA. I pray for him to have a change of heart, but apparently he is going forward with trying to deport over 600,000 people who are in school or have jobs and have only known life in this country because they were brought here as children.

Paula Flinn


Joe Mancuso

Hey, Paula,

Trump did not address Juneteenth when he addressed the National Space Council on June 19, 2018. Transcript at https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-meeting-national-space-council-signing-space-policy-directive-3/

He never made a verbal statement about Juneteenth in 2018. His written statement was released by the White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-juneteenth/).

The statement that Carlos quotes from https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/19/trump-marks-juneteenth-celebration/ was taken from the written statement issued by the White House.

The problem, Paula, is Carlos adds his own interpretation to what this president says (or in this case, doesn't say).

Carlos Ponce

But he issued the statement on that same day as the meeting with the National Space Council:

"Melania and I send our best wishes to those celebrating Juneteenth," in 2018.

Paula Flinn


There are a ton of sources proving my statements, Carlos! Vox, Wapo, etc. Because you don’t watch the MSM, and just immerse yourself in Fox News, you are missing the REAL news. Fox News rarely has anything negative to say about President Trump. If you watched a little CNN or a little MSNBC, you would get more true things that Trump says and does, that Fox will never talk about because these statements show how little he knows about our history. What really bothers me is that he isn’t curious enough to find out. In 3 1/2years he could read a few history books, but he isn’t interested.

Carlos Ponce

Paula Flinn: "Jimmy, who wrote Hamlet?

Because Paula is asking does that mean she does not know the answer? There's an old joke: How was school today? That teacher didn't know nuthin'! She kept asking questions but us kids knew the answers. We had to tell her what she didn't know!

Paul, from the interview it's apparent Trump was making a point. Realistically, only a relatively small percentage of Americans know about Juneteenth. Even one of our forum posters wrote he had not heard of Juneteenth until he moved to Texas. We know about Juneteenth because it happened here in our back yard. Now there are many outside Texas who know about Juneteenth but when compared to the general population, not that high.

Now here's the point Trump was trying to make: He asked the lady if she knew about Juneteenth. She did! How did she know? Because she read it in a White House post. Who wrote the post? He did! She knew about Juneteenth because of what he wrote! Then he made the claim he made Juneteenth famous.

Turn back the clock to two years and a day ago: June 18th, 2018, exactly one month after the Santa Fe shootings.

Trump addressed the National Space Council in the East Room. He spoke of Juneteenth.

“As a nation, we vow to never forget the millions of African Americans who suffered the evils of slavery. Together, we honor the unbreakable spirit and countless contributions of generations of African Americans to the story of American greatness.

This historic moment would not have been possible without the courage and sacrifice of the nearly 200,000 former enslaved and free African Americans who fought for liberty alongside more than 2 million Union servicemen. These brave individuals fought to defend the God-given rights of those unjustly held in bondage.

Today and every day, we recommit ourselves to defending the self-evident truth, boldly declared by our Founding Fathers, that all people are created equal.”


Trump knew what Juneteenth was.

The problem, Paula, is a press that adds their own interpretation to what this president says.

Jim Forsythe

Just more than half of Americans said they knew about Juneteenth

Carlos Ponce

Juneteenth is not the term they all use. They call it "Emancipation Day", Freedom Day, and now I heard Juan Williams call it "Jubilee Day". You have to remember all states in the United States at that time waited until June 19th, 1865. The Northern States were "emancipated" long before. That's why HuffPost had to use the various names in their poll.

Carlos Ponce

No, I am not.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos says "Now here's the point Trump was trying to make: He asked the lady if she knew about Juneteenth. She did! How did she know? Because she read it in a White House post. Who wrote the post? He did! She knew about Juneteenth because of what he wrote! Then he made the claim he made Juneteenth famous."


From https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/trump-juneteenth-holiday-meaning:


But Trump told the Wall Street Journal that neither he nor any of his staff seemed to know the meaning of the holiday before the furor over the Tulsa rally.

“Trump said a black Secret Service agent told him the meaning of Juneteenth..."

The Journal reported that Trump said he had asked many people around him about the holiday and none of them had heard of Juneteenth. He then “paused the interview to ask an aide if she had heard of Juneteenth, and she pointed out that the White House had issued a statement last year commemorating the day”.

Trump responded: “Oh really? We put out a statement? The Trump White House put out a statement? OK, OK. Good.”


First, Trump admits that neither he nor his staff knew the meaning of Juneteenth.

Second, if Trump wrote the post referred to, then why did he respond by obviously saying that he didn't even know a post had been made.

So, it's pretty obvious from Trump's own words that he had no idea of what Juneteenth means. He also didn't know that the White House had issued a statement about Juneteenth, so he obviously didn't write it. Sounds like he not only didn't write it, it sounds like he didn't even read it.

Again, Paula, the problem is Carlos adds his own interpretation to what this president says (or, again, in this case, doesn't say or doesn't write!).

Paula Flinn

Exactly right, Joe. Just because the White House puts out a statement, it doesn’t mean the President read it or understood it. They have secretaries that take care of those chores.

Thank you, Joe Mancuso.

Carlos Ponce

You two believe what you want, I'll stick with the truth.You believe the writer's commentary and interpretation. I'll stick with what actually happened.

Carlos Ponce

Joe writes:

“Trump said a black Secret Service agent told him the meaning of Juneteenth..."

Then he writes:

"First, Trump admits that neither he nor his staff knew the meaning of Juneteenth."

You are contradicting yourself, Joe. The Secret Service agent is part of his staff by definition.

Joe Mancuso

So, Carlos Ponce is calling Trump a LIAR!

Heck, Paula, I forgot that it's cherry season! And Carlos is, if nothing else, one heck of a cherrypicker!

Notice how Carlos says that "He asked the lady if she knew about Juneteenth. She did! How did she know? Because she read it in a White House post. Who wrote the post? He did!" But Carlos conveniently leaves out the next part where Trump says "Oh really? We put out a statement? The Trump White House put out a statement?". The part he left out conveniently negates his argument that Trump knew what Juneteenth was and that Trump personally put out a statement last year. But, that's what cherrypickers do!

Then Carlos states "Trump addressed the National Space Council in the East Room. He spoke of Juneteenth." I've refuted his argument that Trump "spoke" of Juneteenth at this meeting. Carlos's response "But he issued the statement on that same day as the meeting with the National Space Council". The statement that Trump, by his own words, admitted that he had no idea had been issued.

Then, Carlos won't address the fact that Trump, again in his own words, admitted that neither he nor his staff knew what Juneteenth meant until a black Secret Service agent told him. Carlos's only argument is that the Secret Service agent is part of Trump's staff so that statement couldn't be true.

So, Carlos Ponce is calling Trump a LIAR for saying that neither he nor his staff knew what Juneteenth meant! And, Carlos Ponce is again calling Trump a LIAR for saying that a Secret Service agent told Trump what Juneteenth was! Boy, Carlos, are you going to be in trouble with the boss!

Then, for some unknown reason, Carlos quotes the White House Juneteenth statement from 2017! I can't figure out how that's even relevant. I guess we're supposed to believe that Trump wrote that one too (or maybe he "spoke" it).

Same old, same old with Carlos.

Carlos Ponce

No I am not calling the President a liar. I go by what he actually said. You go by what the Liberal Press professes he said.

Joe Mancuso

So, Carlos Ponce is still calling Trump a LIAR!

Carlos Ponce "I go by what he actually said." But, Carlos Ponce also said "If you still believe your statement is true provide a link. If you cannot, it's understandable because he never said that." We've provided several links backing up our arguments. So, Carlos, where's the link backing up "what he actually said"? The only link you've provided on this topic is one that repeats the White House issued statement.

Oh, and yes we have dozens of sources from the "Liberal Press" to back up our arguments. So, here's one for you https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-juneteenth-famous-interview which says "In the interview, Trump said he learned of the importance of the holiday from a black Secret Service agent, as he was facing criticism for his original rally plans. Holding the rally on that day, as racial injustice protests raged across the country following the death of George Floyd, was insensitive, Trump said he learned from African American leaders."

So, Carlos Ponce is calling Trump a LIAR!

Carlos Ponce

No. As usual you don't tell the truth.

Joe Mancuso

So, Carlos Ponce is still calling Trump a LIAR!

I consider the fact that you offer no argument to be you conceding that you are indeed calling Trump a LIAR.

Now, you make a claim that I don't tell the truth. But, once again, you provide absolutely nothing to back up that statement. Please show me where I am not telling the truth and I will be glad to admit my mistake and apologize, something that you have shown you are not willing to do.

And, Cherrypicking Carlos, if I were you, I would really be careful about getting into a credibility contest with anyone.

Carlos Ponce is still calling Trump a LIAR!

Carlos Ponce

No, I am not.

Carlos Ponce

Trump's 2017 Juneteenth message:

Melania and I send our warmest greetings to all those celebrating Juneteenth, a historic day recognizing the end of slavery.

Though President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, news traveled slowly from Washington, D.C., to the southern states. More than two years later, on June 19, 1865, Major General Gordon Granger stood on the Ashton Villa balcony in Galveston, Texas, to deliver the belated message of the then-deceased President: all slaves were free.

Granger’s astonishing words inspired soulful festivities and emotional rejoicing. Over the years, as freedmen and freedwomen left Texas, they took Juneteenth and its meaning with them. Today, we celebrate this historic moment in 1865, as we remember our Nation’s fundamental premise that all men and women are created equal.

On Juneteenth 2017, we honor the countless contributions made by African Americans to our Nation and pledge to support America’s promise as the land of the free.

Ted Gillis

You guys are really dragging this out. Call it a draw and move on.

Carlos Ponce

Ted Gillis, if you don't want to read these posts then just scroll.

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