Did Ray Holbrook’s commentary frighten you ("Reelect President Donald Trump to save US from socialism," The Daily News, July 15)? It should have — not all of the horrible things he asserted that Joe Biden and the Democrats will do to America if Biden is elected, but the fact that he asserted them without offering one iota of evidence or fact to support his diatribe.

Trump Republicans have abundantly and clearly demonstrated that they prefer fear mongering over facts; gaslighting over truth; mudslinging over reasoned debate; obstruction over beneficial progress; voter suppression over fair elections; favoritism over justice; and self-service over the good of our country.

Politics has always been a dirty game played on both sides of the aisle. But Trump’s Republican party has sunk down below the swamp to the depths of evilness. That’s what should frighten us. That’s what we will eradicate in November.

James R. Templer

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Carlos Ponce

"[H]e asserted them without offering one iota of evidence or fact to support his diatribe". The "evidence" is found in the words of Joe Biden, written and spoken" and those who assembled the "Unity Platform".

Claudia Burnam

[thumbup] E G Wiley

Bailey Jones

And Carlos shows up to prove the author's case. I've got nothing to add.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, I did not prove the author's case.

Bailey Jones

There you go again. Prove me wrong, Carlos. Don't slink away like you did the last time.

Here is what you claim a Biden election will bring -

judges who hate America

universal abortion in all cases

all historic statutes would be destroyed and history in schools would be anti-American

all doctors would be federal employees.

The U.S. would have completely open borders

The Second Amendment would be repealed along with a new Constitution.

There would be a “universal basic income” for all

police would be defunded and mobs would run wild

Religious liberty would be canceled

So, show us where - in any Democrat Party platform, or in any speech by Biden or the leadership of the party - where these so called progressive policies are called out.

(I'll give you the other two - taxes will have to go up under any fiscally responsible administration. And climate change will absolutely be the top priority in a Biden administration.)

Carlos Ponce

You wrote it, its yours to prove or disprove.

Carlos Ponce

Let your heart not be troubled, Bailey. None of what you post will occur because Trump will win in November![beam][beam][beam][beam]

Bailey Jones

The human slinky.

Jim Forsythe

The evidence is like Trumps response about John R. Lewis death, implied.

Why bother with evidence when all knows the facts about the event.

Just as Trump was called out by Chris Wallace.

In a clip of the taped interview, “Fox News Sunday” host Wallace rebuffs Trump’s claim that Biden’s unity agenda ("Unity Platform") with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt) committed to defunding or abolishing police.

“Let’s go, get me the charter, please!” an agitated Trump says in the brief clip.

According to Wallace, Trump pored over the document and could not find calls to defund or abolish police because “there isn’t any.”

Carlos Ponce

Continue Jim Forsythe. You left out a lot. From FOX after what you posted:

"However, the candidate's own words may leave him open to criticism that in fact he does. You should recall that in an interview with activist on "NowThis", Biden said "Yes! Absolutely!", when he was asked if he agreed that some police funding should be redirected. Now here's what the Trump campaign had to say about that. They said in a pretty interesting statement: "President Trump is 100 percent correct in his assessment that Hoe Biden would defund the police. " They go on to say, " He has already clearly stated that he would 'Yes! Absolutely!' redirect funding away from police to other budget areas. This is cutting or defunding, the police by any definition." That from Tim Murtaugh, Trump 2020 Communications Director.

While the document doesn't have it, Joe Biden's own words do.

Jim Forsythe

Mine is from the taped interview, “Fox News Sunday” that will be broadcast on the 19th.

Trump could not find it anywhere in the document, unity agenda ("Unity Platform") that said Biden was committed to defunding or abolishing police.

The point is that Trump made a big deal about what was in the unity agenda, and when he was asked to prove it, he could not because it was not in it.

Do not forget to answer Bailey!

Carlos Ponce

Mine is from FOX NEWS 10pm Newscast.

Virginia Stone

I have a new parrot and I named him Carlos.

Jim Forsythe

“Fox News Sunday”

Carlos Ponce

Jim, my source included the FOX NEWS clip you reference. Let's see if if Chris Wallace goes where FOX News has gone. Bottom line is Joe Biden said he would divert funds now used by police for other uses.

Bailey Jones

The fact that Trump & co have to rely on lies and caricatures of their political opponents simply shows how little moral and intellectual integrity is left in the Trump wing of the party. I sincerely miss the days of principled conservatism. I would love to be able to have an honest policy debate in these pages.

Carlos Ponce

The fact that Democrats and Liberal News have to rely on lies and caricatures of their political opponents simply shows how little moral and intellectual integrity is left in the Leftist wing of the party - which now rules the Democrat Party.

Sharon Stratman

Parrot indeed.

Gary Miller

Carlos> I listen to what Biden says, not what the lying media says he says. Sometimes it's hard to understand what Biden thinks he is saying but the lying media twists it to match what they want him to say.

Ralph Mcmorris

Mr. Templer, Thank you for your eloquent and brilliant critique of Holbrook's diatribe. So many conscientious folks appreciate you speaking for us.

George Laiacona

Expect the excess dirt from the Republicans because they have nothing good to say regarding their actions for laboring Americans

Stephanie Martin

I would like to see your proof about your assertions of Trump Republicans.

Bailey Jones

https://www.galvnews.com/opinion/guest_columns/article_31f26f43-5de7-55bd-a511-0a5ebfa09cfd.html

David Hardee

What is frightening is the society's lack of realization that it has been descending into tribalism and decay as the result of progressive liberals Democratic Party accumulating power an enacting legislation

FEDs have gained control from the enacted 1964 civil rights act that fragmented society into tribes by race, gender, sexual orientation. And liberalism has produced marriages declined, parental control dissolved, teen pregnancies accelerated, education ranks the lowest in history, big cities are festering with anarchy and babies are aborted or if born are subjected to the probability of single parent and a problematic existence.

Living in this corruption is all that any under age of 60 have ever known, so for them corruption is normal.

A corrupt society marks the demise of civilization, history has recorded.

Emile Pope

You used to take all day to say nothing. Now you’ve managed to do it in half the time. Keep working on it...

David Hardee

Shortened so simple minds like yours might comprehend. But again your incapable. Stop trying - stupid can't be fixed.

Gary Miller

Emile> The master of saying less quicker.

tom carpenter

Virginia Stone, thank you for the knee-slapping laugh!

Ted Gillis

Let me point out that there are armed federal military agents in Portland arresting unarmed protestors. Are you Republicans okay with this?

Isn’t this the “tyranny” that 2nd amendment advocates have been warning us about for years? These “Jade Helm” trained government forces descending into our cities to arrest innocent citizens. It’s happening right now. Republicans should be concerned, because if Donald Trump can do it, so can the next president.

Carlos Ponce

Portland Police Association President Daryl Turner addresses media outside the PPA headquarters on Sunday, July 19, 2020. The PPA is calling for a moratorium on the violence and destruction of property associated with the nightly protests in downtown Portland.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/07/portland-police-union-president-says-the-community-has-had-enough-with-the-citys-nightly-protests.html

“Condemn the violence and the burning, looting, and destruction of property,” Turner said. “Trust and support the decisions made by law enforcement leaders who simply want to keep the residents, business owners, and peaceful protestors safe.”

Does Ted condone violence, arson, destruction of property?

Innocent citizens????

You say you want a revolution

Well, you know

We all want to change the world

You tell me that it's evolution

Well, you know

We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction

Don't you know that you can count me out

David Hardee

FEDERAL PROPERTY!

Carlos Ponce

Your "unarmed protestors" injured 12 officers last night in Portland.

Carlos Ponce

"Every city, every town, burn the precincts to the ground!" was what the "peaceful" protestors were chanting as they set fire to the Portland Police Station, Ted.

Bailey Jones

Yes, as Carlos makes clear, they are totally OK with it.

tom carpenter

The lack of sports has me reading this column like a boxing match: the hated, upstart Socialist Libs vs. the defending champs, the Capitalist Conservatives, aka the Loyalists, with commentary from both corners!

Jack Templer opened the action for the Libs when he reached way back and landed a haymaker to the Conservatives’ jaw that sent them spinning into the corner on wobbly knees and grabbing the ropes to stay up.

Carlos Ponce shook his glove at the Libs from behind the Conservative ropes while his medic, Claudia Burnam, worked quickly to stop the bleeding and seal the cuts before the Conservatives pushed Ponce into the ring. Jack Templer continued to shadow box in the Libs corner as Ponce squinted with blurry vision across the ring at his opponent.

Baily Jones, like Jack Templer, wasted no time before he cashed in a left-hook that sent Carlos Ponce spinning back into the corner where Mr. Ponce flailed weakly at the air and muttered delusional demagoguery before stumbling back into the center of the ring where Baily Jones met him with furious combinations of left-hooks to the kidneys and right crosses to the jaw. Mr. Ponce, clearly staggered, slumped into a seat in the Conservatives’ corner where the Loyalists waved a cloth filled with hydroxychloroquine in his face. Baily Jones thumbed his nose at the scene and snorted, then tagged Jim Forsythe.

Ponce, carrying the load for the Conservatives, and you have to admire his “Never say die” attitude, gamely entered the ring again where Forsyth peppered him with hard shots to the ribs, and then closed with an uppercut to the jaw that must have had Ponce seeing stars. But Carlos Ponce, bless his heart, managed to stay upright on his rubbery legs as he back-peddled to the Conservatives’ corner where he collapsed in the arms of the other Loyalists. The bell rang ending the first round. Meanwhile, Jack Templer continued to shadow box in the Libs corner.

Refreshed and eager to rejoin the fray, Ponce hurled a volley of light platitudes, followed by a flurry of quoted falsehoods, easily deflected by Forsythe who employed Muhammad Ali’s “rope a dope” strategy that left Carlos Ponce flailing in the ropes.

Virginia Stone then cold-cocked Ponce out of nowhere, leaving a dazed Mr. Ponce entangled in the ropes, and apparently the Loyalists were too timid to help him out because they left Mr. Ponce there, to battle on alone, which to my amazement, he did!

Ponce abandoned his position in the ropes and stumbled into Baily Jones’ right fist, which left Ponce dazed, tangled back in the ropes, and ultimately, parroting Baily Jones; thereby verifying Virginia Stone’s apt name for her parrot.

Ralph McMorris took advantage of the break between rounds to bring the viewing folks an important message, while George Liaconna reminded his Lib teammates about the Loyalists tendency to throw low blows when they’re cornered.

Loyalist Stephanie Martin bravely stepped into the ring to start the third round, but Lib defender Baily Jones knocked her out with one punch. Dave Hardee then stood on the top rope in the Loyalist’s corner and beat his chest and screamed unintelligible gibberish until Baily Jones yelled “Boo!” and sent Hardee tumbling off the corner post into the crowd.

Hardee tried to counterpunch, but bad grammar and punctuation made it fall short of the mark! Jack Templer continued to shadow box in the Lib’s corner. The man has one heck of a knock-out punch!

Mike Zeller

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Emile Pope

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Carlos Ponce

Tom Carpenter writes fiction. You have too much time on your hands.

Jim Forsythe

"Tom Carpenter writes fiction. You have too much time on your hands." says the man with 12 post.

Carlos Ponce

Jim's hands will be busy typing when the President wins re-election.

Jim Forsythe

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Carlos Ponce

Jim's hands will be busy typing when the President wins re-election. 14

Jim has nothing to do if he takes time to count my posts. That's weird![scared]

Joe Mancuso

Well done! [thumbup]

Sharon Stratman

[thumbup]

David Hardee

A lot of effort to be a nuisance. The men's room wall is the appropriate location for BS.

Bailey Jones

lol - thanks for the levity.

Virginia Stone

[thumbup]

Ted Gillis

Tom you’re awesome. You deserve to capitalize your name now.

Jarvis Buckley

We have become accustomed to being attacked when we speak out in favor of our President. It’s nothing new. That’s why we are called “The Silent Majority “.

That should keep you Bidenettes awake !😀

Bailey Jones

Bidenettes - I like that. I should practice my baton twirling.

Ted Gillis

Trump sending federal troops into Portland to protect “federal property”!

Well they are sending troops to the wrong city and arresting the wrong people. Why not go after real protestors (the right winged racists nut jobs ) who are associated with the two Boogaloos that killed one guard and wounded another at a federal Courthouse in Oakland last month? Does that make too much sense? I guess that question wasn’t on the president’s cognitive test the other day.

Carlos Ponce

The "Boogaloos" were arrested, Ted. LAST MONTH!

"Two Men Linked to 'Boogaloo' Movement Charged in U.S. Courthouse Guard Killing"

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-06-16/two-men-charged-in-slaying-of-federal-courthouse-guard-in-oakland-california

Crime committed May 29.

Perp under arrest June 6.

Ted didn't know the Galveston County Museum was moved 5 years ago. Ted didn't know his "Boogaloos" were arrested last month. Time to catch up, Ted!

Jarvis Buckley

Bailey even though we are obviously on opposite sides of the fence on the upcoming

Presidential election , I hope you know I was just kidding when I said Bidenettes . I respect

your right to vote who you feel would be the best for our Country.

Bailey Jones

I assumed it was a joke - and I good one, I thought.

Carlos Ponce

Does that mean you are not going to twirl your baton? Marvin Zindler was a good baton twirler. Watch him twirl on Letterman:

https://www.reddit.com/r/houston/comments/au7ud6/if_i_knew_marvin_zindler_had_appeared_on_late/

Ted Gillis

I specifically stated that they should go after those “associated” with these two boogaloos.

Nobody wants to admit that there are more of them out there. There are more them and they have stock piles of guns!

Sure, go after the easy targets on left. The unarmed ones dressed up like Weathertech Ninjas. That’s a good use of our federal militia.

(Or whatever you want to call these guys)

Carlos Ponce

Ted, there were only TWO men associated with the Oakland incident described. They have them.

Jim Forsythe

IF ONE KEEPS UP WITH BOOGALOO NEWS, THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THE BOOGALOO'S ARE STILL ACTIVE.

MICHAEL ROBERT SOLOMON HAD BEEN TRAINING FOR THIS — THE MOMENT, HE SAID, “WHEN THE [EXPLETIVE] HITS THE FAN.”

JULY 18, 2020 -- In Minnesota, Solomon said, Boogaloo Bois rarely gather in groups of more than 20 or 30. More common are training exercises in smaller “squads.” That’s what Solomon said is happening now in anticipation of another looming wave of unrest. Solomon predicts one or more of the four fired officers charged in Floyd’s death will escape conviction, sparking fresh chaos.

“Round one is going to look like a trip to Disney World, and we’re just trying to get ready for that,” Solomon said.

In June, a man linked to the movement was charged with killing two law enforcement officers in California. Near Las Vegas, three alleged Boogaloo Bois were arrested for allegedly trying to firebomb a Black Lives Matter protest.

July 17, 2020--Authorities who study extremism told Congress Thursday that far-right groups, not the radicals of antifa, currently pose the most serious threat of political violence in America — including attacks on the police. A growing body of evidence, including intelligence reports, leaked law enforcement documents, as well as a number of indictments filed by Barr’s own Justice Department, has revealed significant threats against police and protesters by followers of far-right accelerationist and antigovernment militia movements, including the boogaloo. There has been little evidence of similarly coordinated efforts by groups associated with Antifa.

Carlos Ponce

[yawn]

Mike Zeller

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Carlos Ponce

19. Those who count others' posts don't have a life.

Ted Gillis

Carlos, so The Boogaloos have only two members, and we got em both?

There are thousands more out there. These are who the federal troops (dressed in desert camouflage) should be going after. Those federal militiamen should be rounding theses people

up from their homes and places of work, load them in unmarked vans and drive them downtown to the federally protected federal courthouses for questioning.

I’ll go a little further and suggest that we have a complete and total shut down of all white nationalists until we figure out what the heck is going on!

Maybe we can engage the help of those armed vigilantes that were camped out along the border when the caravans were on the way!

Carlos Ponce

Ted Gillis posted "Why not go after real protestors (the right winged racists nut jobs ) who are associated with the two Boogaloos that killed one guard and wounded another at a federal Courthouse in Oakland last month?"

There were only TWO involved in the Oakland killing. TWO Count them, ONE TWO. That's all.

Ted Gillis

Carlos, what about the anti woman and racist wack job who dressed up as a delivery man and attempted to assassinate a federal judge in New Jersey this week? The shooter (now dead) who killed the judge’s son and injured her husband, posted on line that all judges appointed by the former president were “Obamanite Racists” (clue #1)

A right wing kook with a gun. (clue #2)

Can’t the federal government protect us from these types instead of made up threats to federal buildings and monuments? How many clues do they need?

These types of incidents do make us the laughing stock of the world as Dan Freeman alluded to in another post.

Carlos Ponce

"Can’t the federal government protect us from these types instead of made up threats to federal buildings and monuments?" The type of protection you are asking for is left up to the local police. Protecting Federal Court Houses falls under the authority of the Federal government.

Does Ted need a refresher course on Federalism?

Ted Gillis

And who protects federal judges?

Carlos Ponce

If a Federal judge feels the need, he or she may request protection. There is no advanced warning to this attack so I doubt if she had a heads up. But realistically there is no guard assigned to a Federal Guard without just cause. A Federal judge does receive protection while sitting on the bench.

Ted Gillis

But yet a building requires a whole detachment of armed troops to protect it.

It doesn’t seem fair does it? I wouldn’t want to be a judge with that kind of guarantee.

Bill Barr said yesterday that the government troops were just “pre-apprehending the Portland protesters so that they could be held accountable” or some kind preposterous statement like that. Now if they can pre-apprehend some protesters, why couldn’t they pre-apprehend this known gunman? He killed one of his rivals in California the week before using the same stupid Fedex delivery costume as cover.

And this shouldn’t surprise anyone, but it turns out he was a Trump campaign volunteer, working alongside others just like him in Trump Tower on 2016. Maybe they could start by looking there!

Carlos Ponce

Can you find me a link about Bill Barr's statement?

All I get is: "There are no results for "bill barr" "pre-apprehending" "Protestors" and

"There are no results for “pre-apprehending the Portland protesters so that they could be held accountable”"

Ted Gillis

Nah, I’m at a job site and on my cell phone, and not very good at Google look up to anyway.

It was on one the major networks, so it’s out there. I’ll try to dig it up when I get back to my desk, but like I eluded to goggle to me is kind of like the self check out at the hardware store

(not user friendly). I usually need help!

Have a good day.

Carlos Ponce

Still can't find it Ted?[whistling]

Ted Gillis

No. I guess I’m going to have to go watch reruns of CSpan to find it. How boring....

Carlos Ponce

Uh, huh......[rolleyes]

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