This is in response to the article by The Associated Press (“Trump warns of military action; Floyd's brother wants peace,” The Daily News, June 2), which had a photo of President Trump standing in front of St. John’s Church holding a Bible in the air.

Trump managed to climb out of his safe bunker to take the short walk for this photo-op after he had the peaceful protesters removed from Lafayette Park using force and tear gas.

Did Trump read anything from the Bible he held aloft? No. Did he pray for anyone or our nation? No. The church and Bible were only political props for him.

What's even more appalling is that Trump’s supporters (including senators and congressmen) had high praise for this “show of strength.” This wasn't a display of strength but the actions of a frightened coward.

I'm convinced that Donald J. Trump is a lying, unethical bully and a corrupt con man. He's an incompetent leader who thrives on division of people and is unable to unite this country. I hope that all the young protesters vote in November, so the United States can be rid of Donald J. Trump as president.

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Carlos Ponce

Daniel Pickett is going to be sad when Trump is re-elected in November.[beam]

Mike Zeller

We will see. [beam]

Carlos Ponce

Yes we will![beam][beam][beam]

Wayne D Holt

You don't like Trump one bit; fair enough, Mr. Pickett.

I would like to see your take on Joe Biden, the presumptive Democrat nominee who will be facing the president in November.

This is a man with the chutzpah to tell black Americans they aren't really black if they have to consider their support for him. He has a history of making the way smooth for his family when dealing with foreign oligarchs to profit from their connection to him . While the president has been excoriated--with dubious hard evidence--for asking a foreign country with which we have mutual assistance treaties dealing with corruption to investigate him, Mr. Biden has gotten a complete pass from mass media when it comes to the underlying subject of his insistence on neutering any investigation of his son's patently bogus employment as clear influence peddling.

He's every bit as ill tempered as Mr. Trump and he drifts in and out of waking life like a leaf at high tide, when he's not busy smelling the hair of nearby women and girls.

I can't predict the election outcome but I will say I will be very surprised indeed if America's youth rally around someone with so many flaws at so advanced an age. They're looking for change for the better, not change for change's sake.

Emile Pope

Does any of the unsubstantiated garbage you write of prove that anything the writer said is false?

Wayne D Holt

Mr. Pickett is entitled to his opinion. If you are serious about your choice of the word "unsubstantiated," you will need to find a way to erase all the video copies of Mr. Biden's admonishing blacks on how to vote black, the veritable gallery of adult and adolescent girls who have publicly been the object of Mr. Biden's rapt attention, the fact that he bragged openly about getting the investigation of his son derailed, and on and on and on.

Mr. Trump has his problem. The fact that you deny verifiable evidence of Mr. Biden's problems makes it your problem, I would say.

Carlos Ponce

"peaceful protesters" - Some were, some weren't. The weapons discovered in the wake of their removal proves the intentions of some were not peaceful. "tear gas" - FALSE!

"Did he pray for anyone or our nation? No." Not aloud but there is such a thing as silent prayer. He prays.

"This wasn't a display of strength but the actions of a frightened coward." That's an opinion not shared by all. If you didn't like it, that's you.

"lying, unethical bully and a corrupt con man, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH" Proves you are a Trump hater, nothing more.

Pickett lives in Texas. Texas will definitely vote Trump. No Letter to the Editor will change that. This letter is only the beginning folks, only the beginning. Expect more diatribes from the Left as November draws near. And they will all be for naught.

Teacher says every time a Democrat rants like this a new Trump voter is created! It's a wonderful life!!!!!!

Charles Douglas

Then ...I say then,... there are those old job numbers which just come in! Those numbers shows how resilient and golden America's economy was before China tried to demolish it by loosing the Pandermic Virus on this country killing over one hundred thousand people that the author of this sick Op-ed is trying to blame Trump for! It did not work, ..look at the job reports! Look at how nervous the LEFT is now! Everything they come at Trump with ....it turns on them and slaps them in the head! [ Proverbs 26:27 ] ..He WHO diggeth a pit, shall fall there and he who rolleth a stone, it shall returned onto THEM, again! [ Proverbs 19:5 ] A False witness shall not go UNPUNISHED, and he who speaketh lies shall not escape! It thrills me to see individuals fight against a power which nobody can defeat, ...time and time again, they are slapped down in defeat, and they don't have sense enough to go sit down! All the China lovers and supporters in America, the Fake Media, Deep State, and Never TRUMPERS are doing to stop TRUMP is making him look invincible! I can see already that I'm going to have a BALL in November! Lolo. Even got old tired Mad Dog Mattis running around complaining, he and Kelly! Kelly and Tillotsen tried to enlist help from the UN Ambassodor Nikki Haley to get Trump out on an insanity Amendment! They got their butts handed to them. So keep complaining .....won't do you no good but use that freedom of speech! It has been paid on....by those who are not here and by others who are!

Charles Douglas

Hear! Hear! Trump rules! I'm glad he held that bible up! We are supposed to LIFT up the WORD! He did that and the devil's minions are terrified! He by holding that bible up started Ole Gov. Cuomo to getting on Fake News and reading out of the scriptures, Nancy Pelosi too! Old Joe Biden is scared to death of having to debate Trump! That's one of the reasons why the DEMS are trying to keep the country shutdown! One other is to keep the economy dead so They can point the finger at Trump! Nothing shall work! Nothing! Let's do a countdown of Democratic Failures: Russian Hoax = Failure, Insanity Hoax = Failure, Quid Pro Quo= Failure, Impeachment = Failure, Pandermic Charges= Failure. Economy Hoax= Failure. Keep Trying and yall will rack up a bushel more of slimy underhanded failures which will be exposed to the world! TRUMP 2020!!! [beam]

Connie Patterson

This is clear evidence of someone seeing what they want to see and not necessarily the truth. I won’t try to tamper your wokeness with what aboutism that Clinton did the exact same thing with a bible in front of St. John’s church to quell the country off of his entanglements with an intern and a cigar and not a word about it being fake. Or how repugnant your position is that Trump walked in front of the same (historic) church and held up his mother’s bible and that is what has your knickers twisted. NOT that “peaceful protesters” tried to burn down the church the night before and deface national monuments. Seriously ? Your clandestine naïveté is too much for me to bear... see you November 3rd. Connie P.

Dan Freeman

Mr. Clinton ws a few blocks away from St. John’s Episcopal Church, where the Trump photo was taken, at the Foundry United Methodist Church.

It should also be noted that the photograph of Clinton was not preceded by law enforcement forcibly clearing the area of peaceful protesters, as they did for Trump. Furthermore, the photograph of Clinton was taken after he attended a church service, while the image of Trump was not immediately preceded or followed by a church service.

Carlos Ponce

"peaceful protesters" - some were peaceful, some were not. Dan must think pelting police with rocks, bottles, etc is acceptable. Jesus didn't care for hitting people with stones. Apparently Democrat thinking is so convoluted they think it is.

Gary Scoggin

I’d be careful with the Jesus comparisons. That’s a rocky path for any Donald Trump-loving Christians.

Carlos Ponce

Not really, Gary.

Bailey Jones

Y'all should give Trump a break. He's just a reality TV star, after all. He managed to get through three years without a major crisis that wasn't of his own making. Now he's facing 100,000 dead, the worst unemployment since the 1930's, and cities in flames.

Bush had the worst terrorist act in history to deal with, and he rose to the occasion. Obama inherited what was, before Trump, the worst economy since the Great Depression, and he rose to the occasion. Trump is in over his head, and can only bob around like the orange headed fishing float that he is. His actions over the last week have been widely, and unprecedentedly, mocked and condemned. The political press in Russia, China, Iran - really, in every country with either an ax to grind or a sense of humor, is having a field day.

A friend of mine in Minneapolis sent me this: "Folks from Minneapolis have created self sustaining neighborhood care systems to protect each other and their homes. Citizens are patrolling the streets. They have assigned mental health help, ride shares, food drives, neighborhood meetings to talk about suspicious activity, medic services, arranging shelter for displaced families, and even translation services for Latino, Hmong, and Somali communities."

In the absence of leadership from Trump, cities all over the country have figured out their own ways to deal with the pandemic. In the absence of moral leadership from Trump and any attempt to bring the country together for racial healing, mayors and police chiefs are stepping up and stepping out into their communities to engage with people whose hearts and souls have been broken by "law and order". Parents, teachers, doctors, and all kinds of essential workers are exercising unprecedented control over their own lives and jobs - figuring out how to make it all work.

Trump's incompetence, self serving inanity, and impotence is requiring Americans to get off the couch and into the streets, rising to this occasion to take care of themselves, their families and communities. And I thank him for it.

Charles Douglas

I agree, to many people have fifty pounds of lead in their behinds ...and so they depend on the government to take care of them! There is this thing called self-responsibility you know! Government ruling over and taking care of everybody from the cradle to the grave is very LEFTIST in my opinion! You are supposed to look out for yourself and your neighbor, and take pride in your neighborhood too!

[wink]

Carlos Ponce

"In the absence of leadership from Trump," Under Federal law it's up to the states. Now whose leadership is LACKING? Governor?

Bailey Jones

It had to be up to the states, since "I don't take responsibility at all".

Funny though, how the Worst President Ever held daily press briefings to show off his "leadership" when "under Federal law it's up to the states".

Funny, though, how Obama's performance during the H1N1 and Ebola outbreaks seems to be a recurring theme among conservative whataboutists, even though "under Federal law it's up to the states".

#WorstPresidentEver, now trending on Instagram, also available on a t-shirt at Amazon.com

Carlos Ponce

"It had to be up to the states..." Poor Bailey! If Trump had micro-managed the situation he would be posting how Trump VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION! Taking POER that rightfully belongs to the states' governors! Bailey is prepared to attack Trump no matter what Trump does.

Bailey Jones

Nah, I'd be genuinely impressed if #WorstPresidentEver could actually micromanage something. Or even macromanage. Really, any kind of management other than his usual, mismanagement.

Carlos Ponce

Micromanagement is not appreciated by those who have the real authority.

Gary Scoggin

Donald Trump was a notorious micromanager back when he was running businesses into the ground and screwing his investors.

Carlos Ponce

He works within the rules. The rule book is called the Constitution and the laws of the United States. Federalism frowns on the type of micromanagement of which you post.

Gary Miller

((Trump managed to climb out of his safe bunker to take the short walk for this photo-op after he had the peaceful protesters removed from Lafayette Park using force and tear gas.))

A compilation of lies that were refuted before this letter was written. Trump was invited to a tour of the Presidential bunker he had never seen before. The 'peaceful' protesters the Secrete Service removed may have been the same people who set the church on fire. Some were armed with bricks, rocks and at least one gun. TDS may be responcible for this letter.

Carlos Ponce

I believe he has seen it before on a quickie tour when he took office. But you must remember that the White House was undergoing renovation as he moved in. The underground shelter was constructed in 1950 during the Truman administration "to resist attack from an atomic bomb" according to Wiki.

Note that the president and family are moved if there is a "red" condition. At the time there was only a "yellow" alert. Note that the CNN headline reads "Trump BRIEFLY taken to underground bunker during Friday's White House protests". If it were "red" the visit would not be brief.

Jim Forsythe

President Donald Trump, First Lady Melania Trump, and their son Barron were rushed to a secure bunker last Friday night after several protesters breached the barricades near the White House lawn.

The barricade breach raised the alert level at the White House from "yellow" to "red," prompting the first family to be escorted to the bunker by Secret Service. Good thing Melania was able to help him soothe him during his time in the bunker (over 1 hour).

This speaks volumes about leadership or our lack of leadership. By running to the bunker, the President decided not to meet with protest leaders, hold a day of prayer, or speak to the American people pleading for peace and unification. He had the gall to hide in the bunker, and then make tough talk.

Being called Bunkerboy is more upsetting to Trump than 108,000 dead of Covid19 or of civil unrest across the Country.

Carlos Ponce

"President Donald Trump, First Lady Melania Trump, and their son Barron were rushed to a secure bunker last Friday night after several protesters breached the barricades near the White House lawn." Jim must have been there! Were you that FLY on the wall? Can you CITE an actual source name for that or is it another "unknown anonymous" source?

I CAN see the following scenario:

Melania: Where are you going, Donald?

Donald: To inspect the underground shelter in case we go to red alert.

Melania: I'd like to see that too. So would Barron. Can we come along?

Donald: No problem.

Jim Forsythe

Our heroic, wartime President fending off the anarchist hordes invading the White House? Nope, a couple of elderly protesters show up at the WH gate and he freaks out and has the Secret Service rush him to "the bunker"....the one with a box of Stormy Daniels DVDs and the virtual reality golf machine...

And Melania and Barron? Trump realizes that he has nowhere to run, nowhere to hide and those old bone-spurs are playing up again so all he can do is hunker in the bunker. so Trump tweets while America burns, and yes, after almost four years of suffering serial insults and humiliations at the hands of their feckless, " leader" Americans are visibly sick and tired of so much "winning".

It's a little reminiscent of the French Revolution, isn't it? All we need now is Trump dressed in drag like Marie Antoinette shouting in a feminine French accent from the White House balcony, "Let them eat cake!"

Carlos Ponce

"box of Stormy Daniels DVDs" Give him credit for better taste than Stephanie Clifford! She wanted to run as a Republican for Louisiana Senator under the name Stormy Daniels and tried to get Trump to finance her campaign. Trump denied her request and she's trying to get back at him.

Joe Mancuso

Ok, guys, at least read or listen to the interview President Trump gave to Brian Kilmeade if you're going to use it in an argument. In the interview, President Trump himself said "I go down, I’ve gone down two or three times all for inspection."

So, Gary, "the Presidential bunker he had never seen before" is just a false statement.

And, Carlos, your "I believe he has seen it before on a quickie tour when he took office." is also a false statement. And, remember Carlos, Trump said it so it must be true.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-bunker-inspection-church-tear-gas has a video with the actual interview.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-radio-interview-transcript-admits-going-to-bunker-during-protests-but-was-for-an-inspection has a transcript of the interview

Carlos Ponce

"And, Carlos, your "I believe he has seen it before on a quickie tour when he took office." is also a false statement." That concurs with what you posted, Joe. My statement does not exclude subsequent inspections.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos Ponce Jun 6, 2020 2:26pm

"I CAN see the following scenario:

Melania: Where are you going, Donald?

Donald: To inspect the underground shelter in case we go to red alert.

Melania: I'd like to see that too. So would Barron. Can we come along?

Donald: No problem."

Carlos, I can see a scenario too!

Secret Service: Mr. President, we're going to move you to a secure location, the bunker.

Donald: Let's move!

Secret Service: Mr. President, what about Melania and Barron?

Donald: You can bring them later. Oh, and let's tell the press that I went down to "inspect" the bunker.

Secret Service: Mr. President, the public probably won't buy that.

Donald: It's ok. I've got a fellow in Texas by the name of Carlos who will blindly argue that it was an inspection. Don't worry, I've got him securely in my pocket. Outta my way! To the bunker!

Joe Mancuso

Well, Carlos, we have a situation here.

6/3/2020 President Trump gave an interview to Brian Kilmeade on Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-bunker-inspection-church-tear-gas

"President Trump denied that he was taken to an underground White House bunker during tumultuous protests in Washington D.C. this past weekend..."

And quoting Trump from the same interview "Well, it was a false report. I wasn't [there]. I went down during the day and I was there for a tiny little short period of time and it was much more for an inspection," he remarked.

And, as I recall, you vigorously defended Trump's version.

But, yesterday, 6/8/2020, Attorney General William Barr gave an interview to Bret Baier on Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-exclusive-fox-news-interview

"Protests near the White House, Barr observed, had become so violent that the Secret Service moved Trump to the bunker underneath the White House."

So, conundrum, who's lying? Barr or Trump?

Carlos Ponce

No lying from Barr or Trump. You're just not seeing the whole picture:

What was the false report? Question: " they brought you downstairs in the White House to a bunker. What could you tell me Sunday night [SUNDAY NIGHT] was like for you and your family?

SUNDAY NIGHT!

Trump said " I went down during the day, [DURING THE DAY!] and I was there for a tiny little short period of time, and it was much more for an inspection. There was no problem during the day."

"Protests near the White House, Barr observed, had become so violent that the Secret Service moved Trump to the bunker underneath the White House.""

Show me where Barr ACTUALLY says "the Secret Service moved Trump to the bunker". He doesn't. The writer combines two disparate phrases using one to try to explain the other.

Did Trump go into the bunker? Yes.

Was it at night during the rioting? No.

When did he go? During the day.

Why? To inspect it.

Did the Secret Service tell him to go? No.

Did the Secret Service accompany him? Yes, the Secret Service accompanies the president wherever he goes.

Did Barr say the "Secret Service moved Trump to the bunker underneath the White House".? It's not there in either link. In the supplemental link they refer to some official saying “Wasn’t long. But he went," the official said Sunday. Yes he went, during the day when there was no problem.

No lying here from Barr or Trump. Just a Liberal mind misunderstanding what appears on his screen. Did you have a bad time in Elementary Reading Comprehension?

Joe Mancuso

Ok, Carlos, here ya go.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6162527546001#sp=show-clips

Fast forward to 06:50 and hear Bill Barr say "Things were so bad that the Secret Service recommended that the President go down to the bunker."

Joe Mancuso

Hey, Carlos, thanks for pointing out some erroneous data in my first cited source. You are absolutely right that Trump and Fox's Kilmeade are both saying it was Sunday when Trump went to inspect the bunker. I absolutely missed that. Yeah, I agree with you that they both say it was sunday, but then I don't know why they're talking about Sunday.

The first article claiming that Trump was rushed to the bunker by the Secret Service was published by the New York Times on Sunday and stated that Trump was taken to the bunker by the Secret Service on Friday night. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/trump-protests-george-floyd.html

Even other Fox articles say that it was Friday night:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-took-trump-to-underground-bunker-amid-george-floyd-protests

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-unloads-on-governors-over-protest-response-tells-them-most-of-you-are-weak

All of these sources say that Trump was in the bunker on Friday night:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/trump-took-shelter-in-a-white-house-bunker-as-protests-raged.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/01/trumps-bunker-retreat-crystallizes-his-awol-response-george-floyd-unrest/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/first-thing-with-america-ablaze-trump-retreated-to-the-bunker

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/03/trump-denies-sheltering-in-white-house-bunker-amid-protests-298406

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/05/31/trump-hid-from-protests-in-underground-bunker-report-says/#63b92eee5d98

So, Trump and Fox's Kilmeade may be absolutely correct that Trump wasn't taken to the bunker by the Secret Service on Sunday but just went to inspect it on Sunday. But, then no one else claims that it was Sunday when the Secret Service took Trump to the bunker, everybody else says it was Friday! And, like you've stated very emphatically, your eyewitness, Trump, said it was Sunday when he inspected the bunker, so it must have been Sunday.

So, gee, all your argument about Trump not being in the bunker on Sunday may be correct but it's really irrelevant. Find me something where Trump says he wasn't taken to the bunker by the Secret Service on Friday night.

Carlos Ponce

Bret Baier: If you had to do Monday again, would you do something different?

Barr: Based on what I know now, no. Monday we were reacting to three days of extremely violent demonstration, right across from the White House. A lot of injuries to police officers. Things were so bad the Secret Service recommended the President go down to the bunker. We can't have that in this country.

Recommending - Is that the same as saying the Secret Service took Trump to the bunker for his protection? No.

The "violent demonstrations" occurred Friday evening. Trump inspected the bunker Friday during the day.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, at least you’re consistent. Every time the President or one of his minions change their story, you change yours to match.

Carlos Ponce

All your links were sired by the NYT claim from an UNNAMED official. That's not proof.

Joe Mancuso

well, gee, Carlos, now you're saying it was Friday night. Just a little while ago, Carlos Ponce Jun 9, 2020 5:58pm, you were emphasizing that it was Sunday!

Carlos Ponce Jun 9, 2020 5:58pm (all emphasis from you)

QUOTE

What was the false report? Question: " they brought you downstairs in the White House to a bunker. What could you tell me Sunday night [SUNDAY NIGHT] was like for you and your family?

SUNDAY NIGHT!

Trump said " I went down during the day, [DURING THE DAY!] and I was there for a tiny little short period of time, and it was much more for an inspection. There was no problem during the day."

ENDQUOTE

But then Carlos Ponce Jun 9, 2020 8:28pm

QUOTE

The "violent demonstrations" occurred Friday evening. Trump inspected the bunker Friday during the day.

ENDQUOTE

But, you just said that your eyewitness, Trump, said he inspected the bunker during the day Sunday.

Ok, Carlos, take a deep breath and slow down! You can't even keep your own story straight.

Oh, and by the way, we're still waiting for you to tell us if you or your ex-students or Trump were lying about the weapons of mass destruction. Remember, you swore that there were WMD's in Iraq. You even stated "By the way Jim, several of my ex-students were in the HOT Iraq sun in hazmat suits working to remove WMD and detoxify the area. SO DON"T TELL ME NO WMD! They were and still are GOOD MEN."

But, then, Trump tweets "Colin Powell, a real stiff who was very responsible for getting us into the disastrous Middle East Wars, just announced he will be voting for another stiff, Sleepy Joe Biden. Didn’t Powell say that Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction?” They didn’t, but off we went to WAR!"

And all you could reply was that "There is a weapon of mass destruction. They call it THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!" repeated over and over.

So, Carlos, who was lying - you, your ex-students or Trump?

Carlos Ponce

Neither.

Maris Helfrich

Good letter, Daniel! Amen, amen! And, yes, "what's more appalling is Trump's supporters who had high praise for this ....the actions of a frightened coward." For someone to be impressed with these low, stupid demonstrations makes you wonder where the level of intelligence is in our country, much less the level of morality and ethics. No, Jesus would not approve....but Trump has no idea what that book he held up high stands for. What a disgrace to use it for a prop.

Charles Douglas

Would he approve of you and your party of killers ..murdering babies in the WOMB who he already knows and have a name for? You are not in tune to what Jesus is about nor who he is, by your mere association with baby killing and INFANTICIDE! Chew on that now!

Gary Scoggin

Charles... if you’re pro-life, which I am, you need to be consistent. I assume you favor healthcare and food support for these children as they grow up and are willing to financially and otherwise support the children that are required to be born. Also, the same goes for children and their families showing up at the border. Aren’t their lives as precious in God’s eyes as American children? Conservatives love to talk about aborted babies, which I agree is a tragedy. I just don’t hear a lot of concern for them after they are born. So please clarify your position. Are you pro-life or just pro-birth?

Charles Douglas

Where is this leading to Gary, ...are you tying to justify abortion and Infanticide on the cool or What? You don't think this country should have BORDERS? You don't think men and women should take responsibility for their own livelihoods? How many families and children do you care for Gary? Do you use your money or do you do like the Liberals do, take other people's money and set up welfare states for anyone who wants to collect? Don't talk to me about growing up in grievous poverty, I know all about that! Yes I believe in helping others to help themselves, I have missionaries who travels regularly to Guatemala, and Nicaragua several times a year and I personally donated and continues to donate thousands of dollars of my money to support things like digging wells, building homes for widows and orphans, and this is not counting the support of other missionaries working in Africa Asia, Ireland, Chile, and Europe my church offerings goes to help! All this is not counting my street ministries to help the homeless and the hungry at streetlight intersection around this county! That good enough for for you Gary? I'm blessed to be a blessing. I have RETIRED from several careers, and made smart investments! I am a bountiful giver, therefore I am a bountiful reaper Gary! I use to abide in poverty with NOTHING! However the good news is the poor does not have to remain POOR! Poverty is a part of the curse, and God takes pleasure in the prosperity of his people! Anybody says God wants you poor don't know squat! ABRAHAM was rich, David was rich, Solomon was rich, and Paula White, and, People liken Joel Osteen are too, so what? I'm taking it by faith since God likes his people to prosper ( Psalms 35:27 ) so does Jesus! I do not believe in keeping individuals in a state of dependency by making them think they are not supposed to work, just vote Democratic, and your cheese, food stamps, and welfare will keep coming! I've seen this horror flick personally! If you don't know anything about this process then rest assured I do!!! Now, I still don't believe in Abortion, nor do I believe in infanticide, and neither does God! Now If you think I'm lying on God, then PROVE IT!

Gary Scoggin

Whoa. Slow down, Charles. You may want to think about why I triggered you so. I’m sure you do plenty of good works.

Charles Douglas

Gary asked> Are you PRO life or Pro birth? ...Answer: I'm PRO GOD! I'm PRO God's Word he gave us to live by. He said, "thou shall do no MURDER!" ( Sixth Commandment ) & ( Love one another as I have loved you...that you love one another ....John 13: 34) Note*** He did not murder me! ( The Spirit of God was given to the Believer to Comfort, Counsel, Help, Teach, and Lead us into righteousness, that we would not have to depend on nor be blown about by every wind of doctrine minions of Satan will use to trip us up or to Steal, Kill, and Destroy us with! Enough about Evangelicals and what bibles they like and hold up! I personally could give a "RIP!" I am an Evangelical, but I don't follow them, I follow and serve the Lord (Joshua 24:15 ).....I wear the yolk of Christ because it is easy, and I bear the burden of the Lord, because it is light, ( Matthew 11:28-29 )...... juxtaposed to the Yolk of Destruction and the Burden from Hell you get if you don't. It is written that...." He who is not with me is against me, and he who helps me gathered not,....spreadeth abroad!"...( Matthew 12:30 ) Simply put all men are wearing a Yolk, and are caring a Burden, either Christ's ..if not by default ...Satan's. I learn long time ago that playtime is over, we are living in the main event now called the LAST DAYS. So then it is time to Put up ....or Shut up. I don't dwell on what others do without getting out there and making things happen with WHAT I have been blessed with. Do I have compassion for others? Lets see, ....my stimulus check stayed in my hands long enough for me to use the bank drive thu ..making a deposit and then transferring it to my church fund in it's entirety...to be used for support and missions. I am NOT one who plays church! So then I don't get involved with that race game that's going around in this country now, I call it the HATE GAME! Nice talking to you Gary, it's been a while.

Gary Scoggin

As always, Charles. We don't always agree, but I admire your passion.

Carlos Ponce

"but Trump has no idea what that book he held up high stands for" The religious around him say otherwise. Maris is just spouting Liberal propaganda.

Jim Forsythe

The Bible that Trump held over his head was a Revised Standard Version (RSV). Every English-language Bible is obviously a translation from the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, but there are vast differences among the versions. Not only is the RSV outdated (the New Revised Standard Version, NRS, was published in 1989 to replace it), but it’s not a Bible that evangelical Christians consider authoritative.

“It would be pretty much rejected by the vast majority of evangelicals. It would be seen as a deficient translation of the Bible. A distinctly liberal one,” said Rev. Rob Schenck, an evangelical clergyman, the president of The Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute, and the author of Costly Grace: An Evangelical Minister’s Rediscovery of Faith, Hope, and Love. “And for many, especially in the very conservative or fundamentalist wing, they might see it as not a version of the Bible at all.”

Gary Scoggin

I wonder how many Corinthians it has.

Gary Scoggin

“It would be pretty much rejected by the vast majority of evangelicals. It would be seen as a deficient translation of the Bible. A distinctly liberal one“. In other words it doesn’t say what they want it to say.

Bailey Jones

[lol] @I wonder how many Corinthians it has.

Carlos Ponce

The original Bible written in Greek and Hebrew.

Carlos Ponce

"The logical consequence of these preachings is discrimination ..." I didn't write the Bible, I read it and follow its teachings. In church I end each public reading with "The word of the Lord." In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, because everyone born of God overcomes the world." Next time you pray tell the Lord you find his commands are "discrimination".

Gary Scoggin

Many of the “religious around him” are the types Jesus threw out of the temple.

Carlos Ponce

Name one.

Gary Scoggin

How about three....

1. Paula White

2. Jerry Falwell, Jr.

3. Robert Jeffress

And I’m giving Franklin Graham a pass because his charity, Samaritan’s Purse, did so much good work in our county after Harvey.

Carlos Ponce

Why do you judge each harshly?

Gary Scoggin

If I have to explain something like this to you, you'll never accept my explanations. You say you've been given the gift of discernment. Use it.

Carlos Ponce

"If i have to explain ... blah, blah blah" No explanation means your original statement isn't worth anything.

This reminds me of a student who was asked to prove one triangle congruent to another. For his "proof" he wrote "because". No credit for you Scoggin.

Gary Scoggin

Well, I’m not in your class and I already know about congruent triangles.

Carlos Ponce

Bottom line is those you mention are good people so your analysis without proof or substance goes bust.

Gary Scoggin

I’m sure the Pharisees thought the money lenders in the temple were congruent with good people.

Bailey Jones

Don't forget Ralph Drollinger, Trumpeter's "Bible Study" teacher - who blames the pandemic on gays and environmentalists - although his theology is so convoluted that I doubt #WorstPresidentEver can follow it.

To answer Carlos' question - why do you judge so harshly? The answer is simple. If, in fact, gays, or environmentalists, or feminists, or atheists, or socialists, or - whoever else is on the list - are responsible for a wrathful God heaping destruction (earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, fires, pandemics) upon the country, the solution is obvious - eliminate those people. The logical consequence of these preachings is discrimination and marginalization at best, genocide at worst. We've seen it before - in Luther's writings against the Jews, for example. It's dangerous, ignorant, and antithetical to the founding principles or America. That's why I judge them harshly.

Dlorah Berry

Our frightened coward is out facing the mobs. Your frightened coward is hiding in his basement and his right hand “man” is in her mansion eating ice cream!!

Dlorah Berry

See you in November!!! The man who got us through this crisis will win!!

Ted Gillis

Rocky Road is the best,

Dan Freeman

Vanilla chocolate chip

Stuart Crouch

Ah, the poignant beauty of it all. What say the loudmouth defenders of this illegitimate buffoon, but, "Wah wah, we will win; we must win". It must be unnerving for them to see the numbers of people, of all colors and cultures, who are aligning to repossess the country from this failed regime. I mean, seriously, did you really think this whole Hollywood Reality TV charade was going to last? Please do continue on with showing all of Galveston County, and the world, precisely how frightened, lost and deranged you have become. Why stop now? Your ship is taking on lots of water, but you can't seem to come to terms with that, nor can you turn your boat around. Just keep paddling in your futile hope of reaching a too-distant shore. Bon Voyage!

Bailey Jones

Hey you, White House

Ha ha, charade you are

You house proud town mouse

Ha ha, charade you are

You're trying to keep our feelings off the street

You're nearly a real treat

All tight lips and cold feet

And do you feel abused?

Oink Oink Oink

Carlos Ponce

Stuart "we will win" No one posted " we must win". And when Trump does win what's Stuart going to do?

Bailey Jones

The last 6 months have made it pretty clear that the universe has had enough of Donald John Trump. He's like a hairball stuck in the guts of history - and he's being hacked up. #WorstPresidentEver

Carlos Ponce

And when Trump does win what's Bailey going to do?

Bailey Jones

The same thing Carlos will do when he loses - nothing. The country will survive Trump. The Republican Party might not, but the country will. We survived #previousWorstPresidentEver James Buchanan - we survived his economic panic, his failed impeachment, his scarlet fever epidemic, his racial unrest - we'll survive Trumpy McTrumpalot. And history will call him #WorstPresidentEver.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, do you really think Biden will win? Even the top Democrats know the election is lost and the polls are wrong just like in 2016. But don't cry when Joe loses, okay. Me? I'll be saying, "I told you so!"

Bailey Jones

Six months ago I would have agreed with you. Joe is not an inspiring candidate. But that was then. No one worries about the captain when the seas are calm. Capt. Queeg has revealed himself, and there is no second key to the icebox.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey writes "Joe is not an inspiring candidate. " On that we can agree.[beam]

Wayne D Holt

Stuart, reality check time: the Democrat City Council of Minneapolis voted to disband their police department. I can't think of a Democrat, Republican or Young Fruitarian Alliance member who thinks eliminating a police force in the middle of riots, looting and arson is a nifty idea.

Not only won't this type of "solution" fly in Fly Over Country, if the present unrest continues it won't even fly in Stopover Land. All the Trump campaign is going to have to do is hire a first year production intern to splice images of cities going up in flames with a clip of the vote by a Democrat local government, in a Democrat held state, run by Democrats for the past 40 plus years...to disband their police force.

Are they secretly on the payroll of the Trump Re-Election Campaign? Do they take envelopes full of cash from the gun and ammo industry? Because those are the two biggest beneficiaries of the kind of broad daylight insanity that suggesting to disband a police department is.

Take a look at the latest polls. Republicans overwhelmingly support a crackdown on violent protests and about half of Democrats swallow hard and do the same. The idea that Trump is going to be terminally tarred with blame for the riots is laughable. The more it happens--particularly in Democrat strongholds--the smoother is his path to re-election.

When I see folks making these kinds of observations, I can only marvel at their detachment from grasping how most normal folks think. As I've said many times, Trump has plenty of problems. Lucky for him he is running against a Democrat agenda that plans to win election support by making police protection illegal in the middle of a civil insurrection.

Wayne D Holt

New study just out by the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology says even protesters who are part of the movement become disenfranchised by things like “inflammatory rhetoric, blocking traffic, and vandalism.” One of the authors of the study said there is a strong backlash to extreme protesting.

For example, they “found extreme anti-Trump protest actions actually led people to not only dislike the movement and support the cause less, but to be willing to support Trump more.”

Oops...as I said above: the more unrest, the less the side defending it will escape political judgement. And I would imagine the side that promotes unilateral disarmament by disbanding police departments would fare just as poorly.

Back to the drawing board, Stuart...

Charles Douglas

You are talking good stuff Mr. Holt, and I see your point. However the progressives here don't want to hear nor see what you and Mr. Jack Cross have posted here. It does not fit their narrative. Next November elections, will be when yall's observations can no longer be ignored by discussions concerning weapons of mass destruction! I can't wait ....I'm getting so antsy ....for the elections to hurry and come forth! I want to see LEFTISTS ...howling at the sky In anger shaking a bald-up fist at God, while whaling, crying and cursing like they did in 2016! Lolo.

Charles Douglas

Allow me to translate what O'Biden meant when he appeared on national television and remarked to the BLACK population in America, "You are not BLACK if you don't vote for me!" That was code for " Yall know yall can't compete and measure up to White Folks, and yall have always allowed us to protect yall and keep yall safe." " We have always fed yall, gave yall government help, because of yall's vote ..and made sure yall had a roof over yall's heads even if it was in the GHETTO!" "Yall need to stay in check if yall want that to continue!" "Yall are lost without us!" I think it was the most RACIST PUT DOWN in history to BLACK people! My thinking is that every BLACK American anywhere ought to consider it a slap in the face and an unconciousnable insult that the Fake Media swept under the rug as usual.

Mike Zeller

How soon we forget. Carlos, remember your Red Wave in 2018, neither do I. Thank you Donald Trump. [beam]

Carlos Ponce

Red wave in 2018: republicans won ALL races in Galveston County. Republicans won ALL statewide races. No Democrat won in Galveston County. No Democrat won a Texas statewide race. Yes, I remember it well. [beam]

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, remember the weapons of mass destruction that you said were in place The President just said there were no weapons of mass destruction.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Colin Powell, a real stiff who was very responsible for getting us into the disastrous Middle East Wars, just announced he will be voting for another stiff, Sleepy Joe Biden. Didn’t Powell say that Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction?” They didn’t, but off we went to WAR!

So Carlos which is it, there were weapons of mass destruction or no weapons of mass destruction. If you agree with Trump you were wrong. If you disagree with Trump, Trump is wrong.

Colin Powell is another General, not supporting Trump. Remember all of Trump's Generals, how many are supporting him now?

"We have a Constitution, and we have to follow that Constitution. And the president has drifted away from it," Powell said.

Powell's condemnation followed a blistering statement released Wednesday by former Trump Defense Secretary James Mattis who called Trump the first president in his lifetime who is trying to divide Americans.

Carlos Ponce

Powell voted for Hillary in 2016. Is he still claiming to be a Republican? Did his endorsement of Hillary have any impact? Do you really think his endorsement of Biden will have any impact? Did Jim Forsyther decide to vote for Biden only because of Powell's endorsement?

We all know the answers.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, remember the weapons of mass destruction that you said were in place The President just said there were no weapons of mass destruction.

So Carlos which is it, there were weapons of mass destruction or no weapons of mass destruction. If you agree with Trump you were wrong. If you disagree with Trump, Trump is wrong.

Carlos Ponce

There is a weapon of mass destruction. They call it THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

By the way "Vatican Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former Papal Nuncio to Washington, D.C., has written to President Trump, praising his leadership.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lifesite/Open_Letter_President_Donald_Trump.pdf

It's easy to tell who are the "children of darkness" the Archbishop describes:

Joe Mancuso

Hey, you're right Jim!

https://www.galvnews.com/opinion/guest_columns/article_2ecb3518-bf89-5116-9d0c-17aa697f57dc.html

QUOTE

Carlos Ponce Apr 1, 2016 8:02pm

"THERE WERE WMD IN IRAQ."

Carlos Ponce Apr 1, 2016 8:23pm

By the way Jim, several of my ex-students were in the HOT Iraq sun in hazmat suits working to remove WMD and detoxify the area. SO DON"T TELL ME NO WMD! They were and still are GOOD MEN.

ENDQUOTE

So Carlos, like Jim asked, were you lying then or did Trump lie today?

Jim Forsythe

Remember when you said " Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction" Is that still your position, or are you with Trump on this?

Carlos Ponce

Repeating: There is a weapon of mass destruction. They call it THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

Jim Forsythe

Joe, of course, Carlos will not answer the question. He made a big thing about WMD and now acts like that we did not have many discussions about WMD.

Eighter his ex-students were mistaken or Trump is lying! Also if Carlos is right, Trump is lying.

Carlos Ponce

Repeating: There is a weapon of mass destruction. They call it THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

Jim Forsythe

Joe, of course, Carlos will not answer the question. He made a big thing about WMD and now acts like that we did not have many discussions about WMD.

Eighter his ex-students were mistaken or Trump is lying! Also if Carlos is right, Trump is lying.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos. is there a reason you are trying to say you did not say it. This type of denial is the same tactic that the President tries. When Trump tries this everyone knows he is lying and the same holds true with you. You are proving why people do not believe what the President says, by you using the same tactic.

Carlos, when we had the discussion on Apr 1, 2016 8:23 pm you said "By the way Jim, several of my ex-students were in the HOT Iraq sun in hazmat suits working to remove WMD and detoxify the area. SO DON"T TELL ME NO WMD! They were and still are GOOD MEN."

Joe Mancuso

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 7, 2020 6:51pm and

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 7, 2020 9:15pm and

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 4:03am

SHOULD BE FLAGGED AS NON-RESPONSIVE, REPETITIVE AND DEFLECTIVE!

Answer Needed!

Mike Zeller

Carlos Ponce wins the double up, Pants on Fire and 4 Pinocchios. [tongue]

Carlos Ponce

Repeating: There is a weapon of mass destruction. They call it THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

Jim Forsythe

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 7, 2020 6:51pm and

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 7, 2020 9:15pm and

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020, 4:03 am

SHOULD BE FLAGGED AS NON-RESPONSIVE, REPETITIVE, AND DEFLECTIVE!

Answer Needed!

Jim Forsythe

Carlos. is there a reason you are trying to say you did not say it. This type of denial is the same tactic that the President tries. When Trump tries this everyone knows he is lying and the same holds true with you. You are proving why people do not believe what the President says, by you using the same tactic.

Carlos Ponce

Repeating: There is a weapon of mass destruction. They call it THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

Joe Mancuso

Jim,

Carlos will never admit that President Trump lied about the weapons of mass destruction.

If Carlos admits that Trump did lie, Carlos is afraid that Trump will think Carlos is a protester and have Carlos tear gassed. Trump already has Carlos dominated.

And, oh yeah,

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 10:28am

SHOULD BE FLAGGED AS NON-RESPONSIVE, REPETITIVE, AND DEFLECTIVE!

Answer Needed!

Carlos Ponce

Already answered. You don't like my answer. Too bad, so sad.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos will never admit that President Trump lied about the weapons of mass destruction.

If Carlos admits that Trump did lie, Carlos is afraid that Trump will think Carlos is a protester and have Carlos tear gassed. Trump already has Carlos dominated.

And, oh yeah,

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 10:28am

SHOULD BE FLAGGED AS NON-RESPONSIVE, REPETITIVE, AND DEFLECTIVE!

Answer Needed!

Jim Forsythe

Just as Trump does not understand, not to use people's songs with their permission, Trump does not understand that he is contradicting Carlos's take on WMD.

“I ask that you no longer use any of my music at your rallies especially ‘Y.M.C.A.’ and ‘Macho Man,'” Willis wrote of the group’s iconically camp 1978 hits."

What is amazing is that Trump must not have a clue what the songs are about, or he probably would not play them.

The same is true about WMD, Trump must not understand that Carlos already had stated yes WMD were in Iraq or Trump would have not stated that there were no WMD.

Just another reason to not vote for Trump, as he has the audacity to contradict Carlos.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump does not understand, not to use people's songs with their permission"

If he has their permission why should he not use the songs?

Mike Zeller

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 7, 2020 6:51pm and

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 7, 2020 9:15pm and

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020, 4:03 am

SHOULD BE FLAGGED AS NON-RESPONSIVE, REPETITIVE, AND DEFLECTIVE!

Answer Needed!

Jim Forsythe

Let me show you how easy it is to say I, Jim, was wrong. This is the right thing to do since in this case, I was wrong., At one time The Village People let Trump use them, without permission, but know, because of his policies they are telling Trump to stop, just as many others have.

I was wrong as it should have read---

Just as Trump does not understand, not to use people's songs without their permission, Trump does not understand that he is contradicting Carlos's take on WMD.

“I ask that you no longer use any of my music at your rallies especially ‘Y.M.C.A.’ and ‘Macho Man,'” Willis wrote of the group’s iconically camp 1978 hits."

What is amazing is that Trump must not have a clue what the songs are about, or he probably would not play them.

The same is true about WMD, Trump must not understand that Carlos already had stated yes WMD were in Iraq or Trump would have not stated that there were no WMD.

Just another reason to not vote for Trump, as he has the audacity to contradict Carlos

Now Carlos, just admit that you were wrong about WMD.

All you have to do is say, I, Carlos, was wrong.

Jim Forsythe

Once I decide whom to vote for, that's who I vote for. I take in all endorsements and what they have done that would make them a good president.

As I told you before my wife and I debated should we vote for Trump or not.

Since Trump is in office he makes the choice easier for people, either you like him or you do not, As it is about even with both of the bases, it is going to come down to what the independent voters want.

Carlos Ponce

"As I told you before my wife and I debated should we vote for Trump or not."

You and your wife debated - Isn't that sweet. I bet I know which side you took!

Jim Forsythe

As I admire my wife and her takes on subjects, yes it is very nice.

We debated and discussed the plus and minus for each candidate.

At first, we were both going to vote for Trump. But the more in-depth we looked at each candidate, the less we were for Trump.

This was a process that took many months.

Jack Cross

I assume everyone in this discussion is fair and honest, so please

tell me what your opinion on Obama, Justice Department, the FBI and the CIA all conspiring to frame the elected president of the United States before and after he was elected to remove him from office. What do you think of the Mueller Investigation was started on a lie. Do you think the Obama administration committed crimes?

Gary Scoggin

I think all of that would be bad if it were true. Which it’s not. Your question is based on a flawed premise.

Charles Douglas

That is a good question Mr. Cross! That is a ( h#**$) of a good question! I notice that nothing much is said on this board about that. Maybe, ....Just Maybe when AG Barr, and Mr.John H. Durham finish with their work we can get some justice here! ( As they say in East Texas, "I BE GLAD!")

Dan Freeman

They have had 3.5 years and nothing so far. Are they planning an October surprise? I cannot wait until January 20, 2021 and we are done with this charade and the accompanying Orangeade Clown Car.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, I hope you are looking into Joe Biden with the same scrutiny. Only 148 days left.

Jim Forsythe

As we do not wait until the last minute, we already have most of it done, just as last time. Other than the major party candidates we have looked at people like Don Blankenship, Howie Hawkins, Dr. Jo Jorgensen, and others.

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