I’m a NASA employee who is furloughed and not receiving a paycheck as long as the government is shut down. For what it’s worth, this is entirely Trump’s fault.

Congress sent him a bill funding the government before he was sad because Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh decided to blow a gasket. For the record, I don’t recall voting for them.

I'm worried about my next paycheck. As a child, we were almost homeless because my Dad was a disabled veteran and we couldn’t afford his medical bills. But I got a degree and now I’m at NASA ... having to worry that I can’t pay my bills because Trump decided to shut down the government.

Why do Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, and U.S. Rep. Randy Weber still stand by this traitor? It’s disgusting.

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Rusty Schroeder

"entirely Trump's fault", took her 2 sentences to lie.

Claudia Burnam

A hater like you, Holly, is what's disgusting! E G Wiley

George Caros

Putin thanks you for your support

Carlos Ponce

Very insightful remark, George Caros. It tells the reader what type of person you are.[whistling]

Gary Miller

Actually it's the fault of voters who voted for Democrats.

Carlos Ponce

Holly, no bill has ever reached the president's desk to sign or veto. Being the president, however he'll accept blame to avoid grandstanding by the Democrats. But that's exactly what's going on. Nancy is afraid of not getting enough votes for speaker so she has to grandstand for the über-Leftist incoming freshmen Democrat Representatives. Once she receives the votes things will get better.
In the meantime I refer you to
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/nasa_shutdown_guide_for_employees_150925.pdf
A link is provided to receive money in the interim :
"Unemployment Compensation for Federal Employees"
https://ows.doleta.gov/unemploy/pdf/UCFE.pdf
"Subchapter I of chapter 85, title 5 of the United States Code (U.S.C.), as amended by Public Law 94-566, 90 Stat. 2667, 5 U.S.C. 8501-8509, provides for a permanent program of unemployment compensation for unemployed Federal civilian employees (UCFE). This program provides a weekly income for a limited period of time to unemployed Federal civilian workers who qualify, to help them meet basic needs while searching for employment."

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, are you talking about the Unemployment Trust Fund, If so they will not get paid from it.
As they are not considered unemployed, the are not eligible for this .

What about contractors, that will not receive back pay when and if the Trump wall war is over?

Carlos Ponce

The link to unemployment compensation came from the pdf directed to furloughed workers.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, this benefit is for people who are no longer employed.
"This program provides a weekly income for a limited period of time to unemployed Federal civilian workers who qualify, to help them meet basic needs while searching for employment."


Kerry Riggs

President Trump just needs to stop holding our country hostage, if he wants that wall, let him use his own money to build it, just my opinion and I am sticking to it...lol.

George Caros

Carlos Putin thanks you for your support

Carlos Ponce

So George Caros knows precisely what Putin thinks. Either you are in league with him, in contact with him or think just like him. Have a good day Comrade Caros. For the record, I do not support Putin. Anyone who claims I do has no brains.

George Caros

Trump supports him with open arms

Carlos Ponce

No George Caros. That, sir is a LIE. Too much evidence to the contrary. Imposing sanctions against Russia, bombing Russian troops in Syria, getting European countries to drop Russia as a fuel provider, etc.

Jim Forsythe

The Senate approved sweeping sanctions against Russia, forcing President Trump to decide whether to accept a tougher line against Moscow or issue a politically explosive veto amid investigations into ties between his presidential campaign and Russian officials.
The Senate vote, 98 to 2, followed the passage of a House bill this week to punish Russia, Iran and North Korea for various violations by each of the three American adversaries. In effect, the measure would sharply limit Mr. Trump’s ability to suspend or lift sanctions on Russia — handcuffing a sitting president just six months into his term with the nearly unanimous support of a Republican-led Congress.
The Trump administration has opposed the sanctions against Russia, arguing that it needs flexibility to pursue a more collaborative diplomacy with a country that, by American intelligence consensus, interfered in last year’s presidential election. But now the president faces a decision he had hoped to avoid, even though the administration supports sanctions against Iran and North Korea.
Trump signs Russia sanctions bill he opposed
Confronted by almost-unanimous congressional support for the package, US president had little choice but to sign a bill that officials complain will tie his hands in dealings with Putin.U.S. President Donald Trump plans to sign a Congressional law restricting his ability to lift sanctions on Russia, the White House said Friday night, in a severe blow to his budding relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Confronted by a united Congress and suspicions about his intentions towards the Russian leader, Trump had little choice but to sign the measure, whose passage the White House had opposed.

Carlos Ponce

He still signed it. It was done under his watch. Live with it!

Carlos Ponce

Kerry Riggs, I dare you to tell an Angel Family a border wall, fence, barrier is not NEEDED. Who's holding who hostage. Nancy and Chuck wouldn't even listen to Secretary Kirstjen Nielson. They kept interrupting her when she tried to explain the border situation. You would know that if you were informed. Guess ignorance is responsible for your post.

Emile Pope

You mean that you want Putin's money to pay for the wall? What about Mexico paying for it?

Carlos Ponce

Mexico and Canada will pay for the wall through USMCA.
"Mexico is paying for the Wall through the new USMCA Trade Deal. Much of the Wall has already been fully renovated or built. We have done a lot of work. $5.6 Billion Dollars that House has approved is very little in comparison to the benefits of National Security. Quick payback!" Donald J. Trump, January 2, 2019

Jim Forsythe

"Mexico is paying for the Wall through the new USMCA Trade Deal." Mexico will not pay for a fence if built. Money would have to be approved by congress. The USMCA is not law yet, and may never be.
USMCA money(if any), tax money and any other money collected by the USA government is not kept apart from other funds for a particular purpose.

"Much of the Wall has already been fully renovated or built" is not true. What is true, not many miles of pedestrian barrier has been built.(Just 354 miles )
Sept. 20, 2017
Roughly one-third of the U.S.-Mexico border, or 654 miles, has security fencing, according to extensive government reporting on the subject. In some ways, that number is misleading: There are just 354 miles of pedestrian barrier. The rest is vehicle barrier, low-lying posts designed to stop cars and trucks. “Vehicle fencing has been effective in slowing and prohibiting drive throughs, vehicle fencing is not designed to slow or deter illegal entrants from entering or smuggling contraband,” a 2017 report from the Government Accountability Office states. Some segments seem truly wide open.
The Border Patrol’s Big Bend Sector in Texas covers 510 miles of border and has only 5 miles of fence.
Some of the fence that they are talking about has been replaced.


Emile Pope

The trade deal hasn't been approved. The trade deal hasn't been approved. Money from trade deals go to individuals. Money from trade deals go to individuals. The wall hasn't been built. The wall hasn't been built. trump lies all the time. trump lies all the time...

Carlos Ponce

Once they see how much money will roll in, Congress will approve of the USMCA. And there will be money sent to the Federal government from it in addition to a HUGE amount of money made by companies.

Jim Forsythe

Canada, Mexico and the United States have not passed USMCA.
Until thy do, no USMCA. The earliest it could be passed is July , 2019.
If they pass it, the money is sent to the Federal government, not Trump.
If the fence is approved, the money for it would be part of the budget.
This means, Mexico would not pay for it (the fence).

By purchasing major ports at the Panama Canal, China has set themselves up to be a major trade players with Mexico and Canada.This could have a major impact on trade and minimize befits from USMCA if it passes.
The USMCA negotiations prompted Canada to reconsider its dependence on trade with the United States, causing the country to diversify its trade interests with China. This could lead China to become even more powerful, which could become a negative side effect of the new agreement.
At the same time, China’s automotive industry has taken a hit as Mexico’s auto industry has grown. Additionally, China has purchased a major port at the Panama Canal, so it now controls two out of the three ports there. China’s aggressive approach to controlling transportation networks helps the country cut advantageous deals on natural resources it needs.

Carlos Ponce

"If the fence is approved, the money for it would be part of the budget.
This means, Mexico would not pay for it (the fence)."
Pesos get sent to the United States companies translated to dollars. The dollars are used to pay suppliers, workers, etc. The taxes get placed in Federal coffers. It was Mexico's money but would not have been sent to the US unless Trump's USMCA was not in place. And it will be approved.

Gary Scoggin

Very predictable responses from Trump’s amen chorus. It’s inconv to acknowledge the human side of the shut down so you lash out at someone hurt by it. As someone would say, SAD.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, no lashing out on my part. I provided links to help the furloughed worker. There are provisions to help her family. What's wrong with that?

Gary Scoggin

"Kerry Riggs, I dare you to tell an Angel Family a border wall, fence, barrier is not NEEDED." -- sounds like a lash out to me.

Sharon Stratman

I concur, Gary.

Carlos Ponce

"lash out" ??? Sounds likeLiberals can't handle what is happening at the border that a wall will help fix. Now I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU!

Gary Scoggin

Carlos. I think its time for your meds. That reply made absolutely no sense. But then again neither does your worship of Donald Trump.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggins, I hear there's a seat available in remedial reading class. I hope it's not too small for you.

George Croix

Kate Steinlee (sp??) was also a 'human side' of the issue of border security, Gary.
She an thousands of others aren't around to P&M about delayed....delayed....paychecks.
Thanks to the very type of two-faced characters now fighting it, while being FOR it just a few short years ago. Some directly voted FOR...wait for it....700 miles of WALL......and not the 'standard gap' slats brick height not really wall BS, either...

About that 'inconvenience' thingy...............

Rusty Schroeder

What is Texas Gary ? Employee at will state, she doesn't like her conditions, go find another job. But as usual, whining about her job and blaming the evil orange man are much easier to believe. Who was it that gutted NASA and the Space Shuttle Program, what President ?

Ron Paget

Dear Ms. Griffiths, I am sorry this is happening to you and so many others in our country. I pray the shutdown will end soon. Thank you for sharing how this is affecting you and others.

Jarvis Buckley

A lady drawing a paycheck from our government. Calling our President a traitor. At the least I believe she should be fired. Just my opinion.

Gary Scoggin

Yeah, that First Amendment thing is SO overrated.

Don Bette

Perhaps, when you scrape together enough money to invest in an education, you could take a basic home economics course. It's all about pluses and minuses and could give you some insight as to why you can't have a "rainy day" fund, which is intended to fund your household through "lean" times in mandatory income. These deficiencies dovetails into into the "dumming down" of our educational system. Just a "heads-up".....government shut-downs occur regardless of what party is in office, such as 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1990, 1995-1996, 2013, 2018-2019.

Jim Forsythe

Don in a perfect would that may be true,but we do not live in a perfect would.
In my case, medical bills for a family member was more than 1 Million dollars. Insurance covered most of the bill but they have a bill of over $100,000 that's was not covered. This amount was not covered by insurance and would not have been covered by any insurance.
Another member had a baby that weighed 1lb 6 oz. they are OK for the medical cost because insurance covered most of the bill but did not cover the hotel bills, gas money and such as they had to travel over 600 miles each week for many months.
Don, unless you know what Holly's money needs are, you may not know if she may have already spent her rainy day fund.

Don Bette

Jim...my crystal ball is in the shop so, all I can comment on is what she posted: "But I got a degree and now I’m at NASA ... having to worry that I can’t pay my bills because Trump decided to shut down the government."

Diane Turski

Ms. Griffith is correct. There was a deal agreed to by Trump and the Congress until the right wing pundits told Trump to cancel it. It appears from some of these comments that the FOX "News" junkies are making here that they are okay with our country being run by an assortment of right wing partisan loud mouths who represent no one but themselves. I agree with Ms. Griffith that I am NOT okay with that either. Trump's campaign promise was that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. If he insists on keeping his campaign promise, then the U.S. taxpayer should NOT be stuck with paying for another broken Trump promise! BTW Carlos, USMC is NOT paying for the wall as claimed by the FOX "News" talking heads. And, don't bother listing all your usual sources for that nonsense because they have no credibility. Today the Dems will begin bringing common sense governing to the House of Representatives and it will be up to Trump to put country ahead of himself for a change!

Claudia Burnam

Diane, all your doing is repeating what the left-wing pundits are saying, so what's the difference??? E G Wileu

Claudia Burnam

Diane, all you are doing is repeating what the left-wing pundits are saying. So, what is the difference??? E G Wiley

Claudia Burnam

Sorry about the double post. E G Wiley

Carlos Ponce

Diane posts "There was a deal agreed to by Trump and the Congress until the right wing pundits told Trump to cancel it."
No, Trump never agreed to it. People at the White House Christmas Party asked about Trump agreeing to a deal without wall funding. All including Trump concurred that no such deal was made. The wall was still a priority. The day after the party, FAKE NEWS circulated that the wall was not to be included. Maybe Congress agreed to it

Emile Pope

That isn't true. Totally false. And repeating it won't change anything...

Carlos Ponce

Tis true, Emile, tis true.

Gary Miller

800,000 federal employees furlowed or working without pay. 7 of 8 of them are Democrats. Looks like 700,000 Democrats need to tell Schumer and Pelosi to finance the wall. As a Conservative wanting illegal immigration stopped completely I want Trump to keep 25% of the government closed until the wall is funded. If He keeps it closed long enough these Democrats will start looking for private sector jobs. During past partial shutdowns Congress has voted back pay for fed employees affected. Not done yet this time and Trump would need to sign it if passed. Should taxpayers provide unlimited paid vacations for Trump hating Democrats?

Jim Forsythe

Gary is this the place you are getting your facts (Trumps tweets)? If not, how do you know what party a worker belong to, or even if they belong to one. Over 40% of people are Independents.
Thumps tweet.
“Do the Dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are Democrats?” Trump tweeted Thursday morning, prompting outrage from some congressional rivals."
Virginia Senator Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the chamber’s intelligence committee, called Trump’s tweet “outrageous,” adding on Twitter on Thursday that “federal employees don’t go to work wearing red or blue jerseys.”

Carlos Ponce

“federal employees don’t go to work wearing red or blue jerseys.” But a majority do support Dems with donations.
82% in the Department of Treasury gave to Dems,
79% in the Justice Department gave to Dems.
72% in the Department of Agriculture gave to Dems.
60% in Homeland Security gave to Dems
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/27/is-trumps-dismissal-unpaid-government-employees-democrats-accurate/?utm_term=.1e964195eda8

Jim Forsythe

As I do not subscribe to the Washington post and I will not use a backdoor to read this story( to cheat them out of the money that I would pay) I can not commit on it. But this something else I found.
“Do the Dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are Democrats?”
No I do not.
About 40 percent of unionized federal employees identified as Democrats, compared with 27 percent who identified as Republicans. Of those who were not members of a union, 33 percent were Republicans, and 29 percent were Democrats. (A plurality of this latter group identified as independent.) In part, this is probably a function of job type: Unionized government employees are less likely to hold higher-paying management positions. But it suggests a near-parity in partisan representation.

Carlos Ponce

I don't subscribe to the Washington Post either. Nor do I use a "back door". I just click on the link. They must like me.[beam]

George Croix

More Trump derangement bull-o-knee.....If I liked the guy, I'd call it something more colorful......
Another President promised along with Obamacare that taxes would be raised 'not one dime' and that we could keep our current doctors and policies and that the average family would save 2500 dollars a year, and that it all would be done as 'affordable'....as in, you would have 'insurance' you could actually USE
rather than a piece of paper you MUST pay for that is largely useless unless you can cover the high deductibles s that made it 'affordable'. That fabrication, also known as lies, involves 1/6 of the TOTAL US economy, not a drop in the bucket few billions for a wall, which could ultimately be built 40 feet high from Pacific to Gulf for about what illegals cost US citizens in a couple of years........
Maybe THAT GUY should be billed for his personal wish item that has cost us all several orders of magnitude more than a project this President wants that. so far, has cost little more than the sanity of the 'resistance'.....
No.
Better to let 'the resistance' keep yammering on with both mouths......

Paula Flinn

Most of us did keep our own doctors and policies. President Obama thought we all could do this, but he was mistaken. He apologized for the statement he made. Too many policies did not cover pre-existing conditions, or had some other flaw that did not protect the policy holder, to qualify.
How long are you going to continue to bring this up, George? I heard President Obama apologize for getting it wrong.
A friend has Obamacare through Blue Cross/Blue Shield. She would not be able to afford her insulin without it. Maybe your next beef could be against how expensive life-saving drug prices are in the US, compared to other countries.

Gary Scoggin

When Trump fails you, the best thing you can do is deflect to Obama or Clinton.

Carlos Ponce

Count the number of campaign promises he has fulfilled, Gary Scoggins. High percentage. And he's still on year two.

George Croix

I don't 'deflect' to anything, Gary.
And any 'failure' on this border security subject is with the opposition, not the advocates.
A great many of those advocates only recently swapped to the 'nay' side, after openly supporting what they now claim to find /immoral'......
I believe that would qualify as actual deflection........
Absent a vacuum, ALL politics is a never ending series of comparisons and expectations......if NOT, then why have more than one political Party???
If you want to try and shut anybody down, my suggestion is try that with someone it might work on....[beam]

George Croix

Mistaken?
Is that what the left wingers now refer to as outright bald faced KNEW-it-was-lying-when-it-was-said lying??? 'Getting it wrong'.....????
Then, there ya go....Pres. Trump has been at times 'mistaken'.......
Or, was it 'a video' that caused both to, uh, err...........
Getting it wrong, PF, is something we ALL do and have done, but to 'get it wrong' you have to NOT know it was wrong in the first place before you did whatever it was.
Obama did not 'get it wrong', except when he figured such baloney after the fact would absolve him, except to the loyalists.
How long will I bring it up?
Why, as long as I want, PF.....
How long will you pretend that an apology is enough, or be PO'd at me for not doing so?
Why, as long as you want............
There ya go....common ground..........
I'm all for it.

Wayne Holt

I don't know how I would have missed it in all the coverage but I have NEVER seen the Democrats' reason for opposing the wall. Is it 1) too costly 2) inhumane 3) environmentally unsound 4) something else?

For the record, the amount talked about is not even a blip on the federal radar. Since we're borrowing $2.3 million per minute in FY 2019 to meet all the demands on the federal government, why would Democrats pick this one issue to cavil against if it's due to cost?

Can't be the illegality of it since border and immigration enforcement is one of the very few responsibilities actually enumerated in the Constitution.

Is it inhumane to stop those willing to break the law before they even truly arrive in the US?

Is it more environmentally destructive to put up a wall than to have tens of thousands of people crossing the country without proper hygiene, medical care while we ignore the protection of native flora and fauna?

So...what is the reason the wall is so objectionable? Because if there aren't any logical reasons, the onus for employee furloughs falls on those opposing it, not those supporting it.

Jim Forsythe

Not just Democrats are opposing the wall. The ones opposing include Republicans and Independents.
Some example of Republicans not in favor of wall.
Justin Amash:
This massive, wasteful spending bill—stuffed with unrelated items—passed 217-185. It’s amazing how some wall funding causes my fellow Republicans to embrace big government. Watch out if Democrats attach wall funding to Medicare for All. The bill could be called Medicare for Wall.
Justin Amash ✔ @justinamash
There will be a vote tonight on an appropriations bill known as a continuing resolution, or CR, to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and fund unconstitutional programs. The government will continue to grow recklessly and burden future generations. I’ll be voting no.
8:15 PM - Dec 20,
Republicans — Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona and Reps. Steve Pearce of New Mexico and Will Hurd of Texas — said they oppose the $1.6 billion expenditure to begin building the wall.
“I voted against including border wall funding into the recent appropriations package because I favor a border security solution based on improved technology and manpower,” Hurd told USA TODAY. “I’ve made it clear time and time again that building a physical wall from sea to shining sea is the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border.”
After nearly two years in office, it’s now perfectly clear that this Congress won’t fund the wall and the next one — with the House led by Democrats — is even less inclined to do so. Trump’s chances at pushing through a signature campaign proposal have never been slimmer, a result of presidential weakness and internal conflicts among congressional Republicans.
Even when Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were judged by most observers to have won shutdown battles, with Congress taking most of the blame, their short-term approval ratings took a hit. This time Trump will likely take most of the blame; after all, he’s already claimed responsibility for it.
But the bigger problem for Trump is that he’s picking this fight during a dangerous period. The incentives for congressional Republicans to stick with him are already unusually low, and now he’s shutting down the government over a policy that few of them care about very much. At the same time, his foreign-policy decisions are angering many in his party and financial markets are in turmoil.

Charles Hughes

Man this one really got the talking heads riled up.

Carlos Ponce

Interesting Jim includes Jeff Flake in his post.[rolleyes]
Not your best source for information, Jim. Look for him to reveal he is a Democrat and seek election. Like DUH! Jeff, we always knew.

Jim Forsythe

Just one of many Republicans and he still is a Republican.
Maybe you are talking about the select few Republicans

Mike Zeller

Wayne Holt do you remember this " Mexico will pay for the wall".

Jim Forsythe

Now it is, Mexico will pay for the fence!

Emile Pope

Mexico will pay for trump's psychiatric help...

Carlos Ponce

Jim Forsythe may call it whatever he wants: wall, fence, a barrier by any other name......

George Croix

When you go buy a new truck (or, if forced to, a, ugh, car....), if you are like most folks, non-really-wealthy, you take out a loan to pay for it over a period of time.
The Ford dealership does NOT wait until the end of that period of time to get their money.
They get it right now up front from whomever is financing the purchase.
The LOAN folks are 'paying for the truck' up front, so you can start riding in it now, lest it sit on the lot for 5 years until you pay off the full price to the dealer.

BUT once you make the last payment, repay the loan, meaning you have made financially whole the entity that got you in that new truck on Day 1, then YOU can claim to have paid for the truck, because you DID eventually do so.
How you got the money is irrelevant to the loan company and to Ford...whether you worked for a paycheck, got an inheritance, or cancelled the trip to Cozumel, or a rich old Aunt croaked....

"By golly, Billy Bob, I PAID FOR THIS TRUCK WITH MY OWN MONEY."
And you are not lying, just leaving out the intermediate steps.

Ford builds the truck.
The dealer pays Ford for the truck to then put on their lot and re-sell.
The loan company pays the dealer so you have the truck now but still have to come up with the money to pay them back.
In the end your money pays for the truck, after the fact.

The truck is paid for by other than the first one(s) to pay for it, by whatever means necessary get the money from them to cover the bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMSWAUAKJn0

Emile Pope

Double talk and garbage. Mexico has the money and I don’t see them taking out a loan for paying for a wall. Just admit that trump lied as he always does and that you were played for a fool...

George Croix

You get points for consistency, Pope.
A LOT of points............[beam][beam][beam][beam][rolleyes]

George Croix

BTW, Pope.
I didn't vote FOR Trump.
I voted AGAINST Hillary.
Nobody else could win, and I refuse to totally waste a vote with a 'protest'.
Unlike a few folks, I figure the lesser of two evils is better than the greater of them.
Play with that.......................[whistling][lol]

Carlos Ponce

FYI Election Results for Galveston County:
Trump/Pence 73,754 or 60.01%
Clinton/Kaine 43,655 or 35.52%
Johnson/Weld 4045 or 3.29%
Stein/Baraka 889 or 0.72%
Assorted write-ins
Galveston County is a great place to live in!

Carlos Ponce

Mexico will pay for the wall.

Cary Semar

At one point, Trump agreed to a deal which would legalize the status of the "Dreamers" and provide billions of dollars for the wall. The next day, he changed his mind. Recently, he agreed to a continuing resolution to keep the government open while negotiations would continue on the wall. The senate passed the CR, but before the house could vote on it, Trump changed his mind. It is difficult to see how one can negotiate with a partner who will not keep his word.

Any concession by the Democrats seems to be met with additional demands.

Carlos Ponce

" Recently, he agreed to a continuing resolution to keep the government open while negotiations would continue on the wall."
Not according to Trump nor those in his inner circle.

George Croix

I'd like to see NO more 'continuing resolutions'.....
Either stay ON the job and DO their job, or find other work....
It's become nothing but a never ending cycle by BOTH Parties to avoid responsibility, then 'come to the rescue in the 11th hour' with another continuing resolution, which is French for an excuse to continue failing to do what they already should have done.
No doubt these 'political enemies' get a good laugh out of us voter dummies being talked into thinking there is more than a dimes worth of difference in either side as to tactics.
One thing a 'government shutdown', itself a BS, mostly untrue, phrase of no other value than to foment MORE partisanship, shows is WHAT is actually 'non-essential'.........

Just like Rip van Winkles hair, the 'non-essentials are decades past time for a trim...........

Susan Smith

These liberal trolls are what's disgusting

Jim Forsythe

Some Senators maybe thinking that congress should pass the six spending bills and work on the fence by it's self.
It is to be seen what happens in the next weeks or months ahead.

This came out today 1/3/2019 :
Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), who in the last Congress served as a member of the GOP leadership, on Thursday said Congress should act to reopen government even without a deal on President Trump's demand to allocate $5.6 billion for a border wall.
"I think we should pass a continuing resolution to get the government back open. The Senate has done it last Congress, we should do it again today," Gardner said Thursday, referring to the stopgap spending measure the Senate passed before Christmas, which would have funded federal agencies through Feb. 8.
Senate Republicans thought Trump would sign it into law but he surprised them at the last minute by announcing his opposition, triggering a partial government shutdown on Dec. 22.
Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) on Thursday raised the prospect that the standoff over the border wall could drag on for months.
"I'm thinking we might be in for a long haul here. ... A long haul, in other words, I don't see any quick resolution to this," Shelby told reporters.
Shelby said he would like to pass six or all seven of the remaining funding bills but acknowledged the decision is McConnell's.
Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) said "nobody likes CRs," referring to continuing resolutions to temporarily fund the government, "but shutting down the government is a bigger mistake than a CR."
Rounds said he would support a stopgap measure that includes "some kind of an agreement that there's some funding" that Trump could claim as a partial victory on border security.
"I just think not having the government open is the wrong message to send to the people of this country. It says we can't do our jobs. It says we're not working with people that may have a differing point of view," he said.
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), says Congress should pass the six spending bills not related to homeland security so other federal agencies not touched by the border controversy can resume work as soon as possible.
"It would be great to have them signed into the law because there is not great controversy over them. And at least we'd be getting those workers back to work," Collins said Thursday.
Sen. Shelly Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) on Thursday said she wants the government shutdown to end as soon as possible.
"I'd like to see it stop," she said, indicating that she might back moving the six non-controversial funding bills separately "if that's what it takes" to minimize the impact of the standoff.

Carlos Ponce

Even with 6 they don't have the 60 to pass it.

Jim Forsythe

You know this how? It really does not matter at this time, as it will not be allowed to be voted on in the Senate.

Wayne Holt

I looked over the responses to the question I posed and I STILL see no logical opposition voiced. Whether Trump promised it would be paid for by Mexico or he changed his mind regarding details surrounding approval of it--is immaterial as to why it should be opposed.

It is either needed or not. If it is needed, who pays for it or what is log rolled to get it is not as important as getting the job done. If those who oppose it do so out of some determination it is not needed, I would like to hear why it is not needed and what alternative will have the same or better results.

New House Speaker Nancy Pelosi just said the wall was "immoral." Is there someone on this board who wants to take a crack at that one? I think we should all be open to clear and thoughtful positions that don't align with our own. However, to just accept vague potshots or oblique criticism that revolves around opposition to the president as opposed to opposition to the wall for good reasons doesn't make sense to me.

Sharon Stratman

It's immoral to spend $5 billion on a patently political symbol.

George Croix

We've spent TRILLIONS on Johnson's 'Great Society', completely politics, and got pretty much nothing for it.
Blocking off most of the invaders from the south would save us a lot more each year than the block would cost.
If spending a little to save a lot is immoral, then all the shoppers that wait for sales at stores need to get themselves to church and beg forgiveness for that sin.......

Carlos Ponce

"It's immoral to spend $5 billion on a patently political symbol."
Sharon, it is not a political symbol. It is a barrier to protect Americans from drug traffickers, child traffickers, sex traffickers, and bad people. It is moral to protect lives.

Emile Pope

Wasn’t Mexico supposed to pay for it?

Carlos Ponce

Mexico will pay for the wall.

Jim Forsythe

Wayne, part of the problem we are having is one group wants a fence and thinks that it will fix most of our problems. The other groups thinks that a fence may only help at the border and at a higher cost than using other techniques and other ways of stopping people from crossing border.. Neither group is going to change the others point of view.
The problem I with the wall is not that walls don't work, but better ways to reduce the numbers exist, at a lower cost. The wall would only stop people trying to enter from a fixed area and not address the rest of the problem. Cheaper way exist to accomplish reducing the numbers, as no way is going to stop it completely.
IF we would focus on using tools like enhanced E-verify (not the standard E-verify) , facial recognition, and other methods we would have a higher success in reducing the number of people that are not here legally.
The wall is not the biggest reason more undocumented people in the USA as about 70% are from Visa overstays.The biggest reason is Visa overstayers that enter the USA legally as students, workers or visitors. Trying to say the reason we have Visa overstays is because of a lack of a wall is not true. The majority of immigrants settling in the U.S. without authorization are first coming to the country legally.
Of those who arrived or joined the undocumented population in 2014, 66 percent were overstays. Since then the number has increased.
Wayne, please ask if you would like me expand on any of the above points.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts: "part of the problem we are having is one group wants a fence and thinks that it will fix most of our problems. The other groups thinks that a fence may only help at the border and at a higher cost than using other techniques and other ways of stopping people from crossing border."
And you ignore what President Trump, those who guard the border and the Republicans actually want and that is BOTH.
If you are posting that Trump wants a wall/fence and nothing else you are VERY WRONG. Please inform yourself.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos you fall into the group that wants the wall, I don't.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, I, like the President, want a wall. I also want electronic surveillance like infrared sensors, drones, cameras and more border guards. The president wants these also.
What do I want that the president doesn't want? I would prefer an electric fence. Not enough to hurt you but like the cattle fences throughout Galveston County it lets you know to keep away.[beam]

George Croix

ps:
MANY of those 'visa overstays' are because of the idiotic 'visa lottery' that just blindfold, or PC, grabbed names based on some arbitrary quota or 'diversity', and not actual vetting.
So, the same people creating the problem now claim to have the answer to fixing it....more of the same......or even just let all illegals in then we don't need visas so they can't then be overstayed.
Great......

George Croix

Jim, how about e-verify at the maternity wards before taxpayers fork over about 10 grand for a bouncing baby anchor...are you for that?
While e-verify would be great to use on EXISTING illegals already here, how would it do squat about 137.000 illegals crossing in one small area of the border in a month, many if not most of whom will end up costing American citizens a lot of bucks before we even know who the heck they are?
Is it REALLY 'better' or 'cheaper" to let a burglar into your house and THEN check for ID?
So, some could not get a job, but still manage to get 3 hots and a cot at the border while waiting for catch-and-release to kick in, free medical care, and free maternity and delivery, and free schooling for the kiddies, and ..................
The idea is to not let people enter your home without permission in the first place, the reason you have those doors that Steve is so tired of hearing about, and that are irrelevant to him.....what say you? Doors are not a valid comparison?
How about the validity of the abject hypocrisy of "Do as I say, not as I do?"

Happy New Year......

Jim Forsythe

George you and will not agree on the fence. If we want we can stop people at the border. We have about 9,500 agents on border and could employ more if needed. We may have them in the wrong place for needs. We can also increase drone and other tools in the tool box.
Part of the problem is cheap labor.
George, the way we are using e-verify is not what I'm talking about. Advance e-verify would require it's use it in every aspect of life in the USA. Banking, renting place to live, going to school, jobs and any other actives that we do.
It would require checking in a least once a week by students, employee's and employers. Anyone that hires someone to do work would be required to report. The thing that would make this work is huge fines or jail time for non compliance.

As far as those seeking asylum, hire more Judges, use people(we have military on the border now) to take info from them. Work around the clock to process them at a fast clip. There is no excuse for the slow processing time. 90 to 100 asylum seekers per day processed, is not acceptable to me.

Carlos Ponce

E-verify is good. But as we see it is not 100%. It catches only those who use e-verify. Even if you mandate that EVERY employee must use it, some will not = cheap labor. And as we've seen, false documents will let people get by.

Jim Forsythe

Advance e-verify

Carlos Ponce

Jim you have used the term "advanced e-verify" before. E-Verify is E-Verify. There's only one kind.
There is "advanced background checks" which include E-verify, drug testing, criminal records check, registered sex offender check, and education verification.
https://esswny.com/index.php/5-types-of-advanced-background-checks/

George Croix

With a 2000 mile long border those 9500 agents would have to be spaced roughly every 400 yards, and unless we want them to STAY there 24/7, and never leave, then we need FOUR times that many to be able to work an 8 hour rotating shift schedule. AND hundreds more to transport illegals back for processing so that the stations were not left unmanned, AND hundreds more for the rear area paperwork.....NONE of this counting the thousands of judges needed to have even a tiny hope of keeping pace, much less catch up.
While an adequate physical barrier gets paid only ONCE, doesn't get tired or have to go potty, no lunch breaks, no sick leave or vacation, doesn't need shift relief, and is right in line with what MILLIONS of Americans choose to exclude unwanted visitors from THEIR property.
Greatly diminished when not completely stopped 'catch and release' would RIGHT THERE pay for a wall in short order, by virtue of not spending taxpayer money on the hundreds of thousands who'd no longer be getting in illegally.
ALL legal immigration would remain unaffected, and the people who ALREADY did it right, followed the laws and rules, would not get screwed over by illegals and their USA co-dependent excuse makers.
So, no...I myself will never agree that it's better to abandon doing what is KNOWN to be effective and just continually do over again what has not.

Carlos Ponce

How about listening to those who actually patrol the border:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ci78fcN3U

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, the link took me too Leopold II's Congo Genocide of 10 Million The Alternative Hypothesis, if this is what you had in mind, what point are you trying to make?

Carlos Ponce

I still get "President Trump Delivers a Statement to the Press" at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ci78fcN3U
"Leopold II's Congo Genocide of 10 Million The Alternative Hypothesis" is at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mjGXDlSk0c
Not even close. Try again.

Carlos Ponce

I tried it four different times now and still get "President Trump Delivers a Statement to the Press", not Leopold.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos that weird, because it still comes up the same.

Carlos Ponce

Try going to youtube.com
Type in: President Trump Delivers a Statement to the Press
into the youtube search. See what you get. Note the address of the recommended video. I get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ci78fcN3U

Jarvis Buckley

If that newly elected Muslim congress
Woman's , ignorant , filthy rants , spewing out the most vulgar language on the house floor in regards to our president isn't a warning that our Country is under full
attack by the liberal socialists . I don't
know what is.

Jarvis Buckley

On the house floor Jan 3rd , the vulgar remarks of the Muslim congresswoman , was a show of vulgarity that's never been displayed
in public until yesterday. When her comment was met with supportive
hooping & hollering & applause, generally found in third world country's . It was an indication of the
Lack of morals of the democrat leaders. And a show of do anything to regain their power they lost when DJT was elected President. It's a sad day for America.

George Croix

Did you notice that Ms. MotherSomething explained that her reply was in answer to a question from her SON?
Teach your children well....................... [whistling][rolleyes]

Carlos Ponce

Mommie needs a bar of soap in her mouth.

Carlos Ponce

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib has the freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech allows people show their true character - or lack of it. No wonder why the symbol of the Democrat Party is the Jack A**.

Gary Scoggin

As you guys know I'm now fan of Donald Trump. However the behavior of this Congresswoman was absolutely wrong and unacceptable. She has somehow been able to bring the coarsening of our potical dialog to a new low. In doing this she does neither herself nor her cause any good.

George Croix

I'm no fan of liberalism in general, progressivism in particular, or 'the resistance' at all, not even a smidgen.
BUT keep in mind that this poor example of a 'parent', newly elected to represent whomever cast a vote for her, has spoken aloud for HERSELF....so far.
It's no more right to brand all on the left as like this person than it is to brand all on the right because of the actions of one.

Emile Pope

Apparently some Fox viewers didn’t realize that her remarks were made in a BAR away from Congress. Poor uninformed people...

Emile Pope

That were said in a bar...

George Croix

Someone has already broken into your home, used whatever they so far could of your personal possessions/money, run up as many bills as possible that you and others will have to pay for later...and now you are running a check to see if they have some legal right to be in your home before you take them on as hired help.

That's current E-verify in a nutshell, versus keep them out UNTIL they can be vetted for legal entry/employment.....

Tough choice............

Jim Forsythe

The crowd was inside the State Room bar and I do not think her son was with her because he is under age. House Rep. Rashida Tlaib said the following.
“Don’t you ever, ever, let anybody take away your roots, your culture, who you are. Ever,” Tlaib told the crowd in the packed space. “Because when you [hang onto those things], people love you and you win. And when your son looks at you and says, ‘Mama, look. You won. Bullies don’t win.'
“And I said, ‘Baby, they don’t,’ because we’re gonna go in there and we’re gonna impeach the m-----f-----.”
Trump on Friday called Tlaib’s remarks “disgraceful”
Is what she said just locker-room talk and if she had not used MF would it been OK? Trump referred to Haiti and African nations as 's---hole' countries. Is this OK for him to have said this?
We have a President that has set the tone and we will continue to have these type of commits. What the President has said and she said is not OK!
Her commit was not in the House and Trumps was in a meeting with lawmakers in the White House.

George Croix

Jim, SHE said she said it in front of her son.

"And when your son looks at you and says, ‘Mama, look. You won. Bullies don’t win.'
“And I said, ‘Baby, they don’t,’ because we’re gonna go in there and we’re gonna impeach the m-----f-----.”

Anyway, 'setting the tone'....?
Yeah.
That's great. Ya'd have to go to New Orleans to find a bigger crawfish than that.......[beam][beam][beam]

Carlos Ponce

Jim, Trump's "locker room talk" was done in the presence of one man - Billy Bush in 2005. He did not know he had a live mike or that NBC would use it years later. It was said by a private un-elected person. House Rep. Rashida Tlaib was an elected official when she used her vulgarity. And by her admission, she said it in front of her son Adam who is 13. Now I'm certain that most 13 year olds have heard that f... expletive but usually not from one's parent.
Am I guilty of "locker room talk"? Yes and so are most MEN. If you never heard any you were the person everyone clammed up around for fear you would "tell".

Emile Pope

Locker room talk about sexually assaulting women? What a ridiculous comparison. Joking about groping an unwilling female is disgusting...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, I suspect you were the one other MEN clammed up when in your presence. By the way, women talk the same way about men. They didn't know I was able to hear their "girl talk".

Carlos Ponce

Emile, guess which 2016 Democrat presidential candidate wrote about "sexually assaulting women?"

Jim Forsythe

Trump referred to Haiti and African nations as 's---hole' countries. Is this OK for him to have said this?
We have a President that has set the tone and we will continue to have these type of commits. What the President has said and she said is not OK!
Her commit was not in the House and Trumps was in a meeting with lawmakers in the White House.

Carlos Ponce

Obama referred to an African nation as a 's---show' country. Is this OK for him to have said this?

David Smith

Trump didnt shut it down.. Scumer did..
Do you think its ok for the Demotards to put 54 BILLION in the budget for foreign aid.. but not 5 BILLION for Border security?

George Croix

It's OK with them, David.
They WANT illegal aliens en masse, so down the road they can give them all amnesty, and a voter registration.
Just look at California for the game plane for the rest of the country by the Left.....
Wonder who they think will pay for their giveaways once everybody is equally poor....
[beam][beam][wink][rolleyes][whistling]

David Smith

Love how he ignores your comment when confronted.. Its ok Rusty .. he cant block you here..
His ignoring you just proves your point

Carlos Ponce

What I heard last night from the Left was essentially:
"Let's kick the idea of wall funding down the road until the 2020 election is over."
Not a national crisis? Tell that to the thousands of Angel Families, more recently to the widow and 5-month old son of police Cpl. Ron Singh.
Tell that to the thousands of families of those affected by drug trafficking, human trafficking, child trafficking, sex trafficking.
LEGAL immigrants are welcome. Why don't all apply for entry? Could it be that with proper vetting they are not eligible to enter? Sorry, but I'm suspicious of anyone who enters illegally. Follow the letter of the law. BUILD THE WALL!

George Croix

Last night we heard from Nancy and Chuck that "If the President would just trust us, we could end the shutdown tomorrow, and then debate border security".

Gotta love that one.................
A wolf said essentially the same thing to Little Red Riding Hood.....
A short time looking at the followup to promises EXACTLY like that one made to Reagan over 30 years ago shows what can be expected from such 'trust' ....

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