Unintended consequences. These people have had their lives ruined: Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Carter Page, Andrew McCabe, James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, Bruce Ohr, Lennie Ohr, Christopher Wray, Jeff Sessions, Michael Hayden, Susan Rice, Sally Yates, David Laufman, Rick Gates, Mike Kortan, and to some extent, Donald Trump.

All because Hillary Clinton failed to win the election. Had she won, none of these people would have been exposed for all their unethical activities. We would all still believe that the FBI, Department of Justice, and CIA were all apolitical and protecting us from all evildoers. It's unnerving to discover they are in fact, the evildoers themselves.

To add insult to injury, we find that mainstream media is also in cahoots with the other "lettered" outfits. Let's hope that our country will continue to prosper under Trump's leadership and we will prevail in the long run.

Charles Killebrew

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Emile Pope

The only ones who had their lives "ruined" were those involved in criminal activities not unethical ones. And you fail to mention that some of those individuals were personally targeted by trump. Isn't the exposure of criminal activity supposed to be a good thing? Apparently to some only when it involves Democrats. The state of the economy does not give criminals immunity from prosecution when they break the law...

Kay Lowell

Well said, Emile. Wanting the truth and having ethics shouldn't be a partisan talking point. No one is above the law. Period.

Carlos Ponce

There's a list of people who have gotten away with activities that would have landed you and me in prison but they were not. That's injustice. There's a double standard of justice in this country. That list includes Eric Holder, attorney general under President Obama. Holder was charged with contempt of Congress - a slap on the wrist punishment (well, not even that much). .I would add Lois Lerner to that list whose punishment was to "apologize" for her actions in the IRS. But at the top of the list I would place Madame Hillary herself. "But duh, she's been investigated and they found nothing!" BULL STUFF!!!!! The list of FELONIES she committed and announced by James Comey would land anyone else in jail but not Hillary. And that just adds to the list of criminal activities she's committed. And she uses a lawyers trick in answering questions. Her replies in the Whitewater Investigation, Travelgate investigation, E-mail investigations were " I do not recall", "I do not remember". If you're Hillary you avoid perjury by claiming to have a faulty memory.
The list of malefactors unfortunately continues. Their statue of Justice is winking behind her blindfold.

Kimberley Jones Yancy

Wrong is still wrong; no matter what party does it. I am saddened to see our country so divided by a personality who could care less. May God help us all.

Paul Hyatt

Why did not we hear you speaking out when Obama and his evil minions were doing so much wrong then????

Emile Pope

Apparently people with more training and a better understanding of the law disagree with your opinion. And reciting a bunch of made up "scandals" as being proof is irrelevant...

Carlos Ponce

No, Emile. Just wait. Their day will come. True justice will prevail. Just don't get up in the civil unrest that results when the true malefactors are dealt with.

Rusty Schroeder

Just wait and see what's coming Emile, you aren't going to like it. Bruce Ohr is going to flip this whole situation, proof is coming. And I am not A FOX loyalist, but just an observer of facts and peoples actions. The democrats have taken every step possible to change the conversation, their time is about to be up. Just like Beto's, Texas got to hot for his remarks so now he is running to California to hide behind Ellen. Too funny, couldn't make it up.

Jim Forsythe

If the Republicans want to investigate Hillary, now is the perfect time. They control all 3 branches of the government.It's like they are afraid of what they may find or if she is found not guilty they no longer have her to hold out as a reason to vote Republican. Benghazi was investigated 10 times so far and some think it is not enough because the outcome was not to their liking. This in spite of 6 investigations that were controlled by Republicans. Hillary's time has past. Now is the time for the RUBLICAINS to charge her, and if they don't, they have no one to blame but themselves.

The investigation was part of a "strategy to fight and win,' and to get her numbers to drop.
There were ten investigations into the Benghazi matter: one by the FBI; one by an independent board commissioned by the State Department; two by Democrat-controlled Senate Committees; and six by Republican-controlled House Committees. After the first five Republican investigations found no evidence of wrongdoing by senior Obama administration officials, Republicans in 2014 opened a sixth investigation, the House Select Committee on Benghazi, chaired by Trey Gowdy. This investigation also failed to find any evidence of wrongdoing by senior Obama administration officials. A possible political motive for the investigation was revealed on September 29, 2015, when Republican House majority leader Kevin McCarthy, then vying to become Speaker of the House, told Sean Hannity on Fox News that the investigation was part of a "strategy to fight and win,' adding "Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping.

Carlos Ponce

"If the Republicans want to investigate Hillary, now is the perfect time." The investigation is ongoing. Not much being said about it. Don't splash around or you will frighten the fish. Getting Hillary on the stand won't help. What good is "I do not recall, I do not remember" repeated dozens of times. She's a sly one all right but she'll get caught.
"After the first five Republican investigations found no evidence of wrongdoing by senior Obama administration officials.. " Yes, all the witnesses clammed up, "stonewalled" if you will. Democrats protect their own.
Wonder what's in the thousands of e-mails Hillary had acid washed. The Chinese know. They have a copy of each to hold against her if she ever rises to power . Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) found that virtually all of Clinton’s emails were hacked by a foreign country, not the Russians.

Jim Forsythe

If the Republicans are in charge, how can "Democrats protect their own".
If the Republicans do charge her, it's there fault. When you are in charge, you have the hammer

Jim Forsythe

The Republicans are in charge, how can "Democrats protect their own". If the Republicans do not charge her, it's there fault. When you are in charge, you have the hammer

KA Rex

“Holder was charged with contempt of Congress - a slap on the wrist punishment...” Just being charged is not a punishment. And of course he wasn’t punished: “A federal judge has declined a House committee's bid to have Attorney General Eric Holder held in contempt of court — and perhaps even jailed — for failing to turn over documents related to the Justice Department' s response to Operation Fast and Furious...Jackson called the House contempt motion "entirely unnecessary". Politico.com. Political theater.

“I would add Lois Lerner to that list whose punishment was to "apologize" for her actions in the IRS.” "Not a single IRS employee reported any allegation, concern or suspicion that the handling of tax-exempt applications – or any other IRS function – was motivated by political bias, discriminatory intent, or corruption," Kadzik said...He said Justice had specifically absolved Lerner, who resigned over the allegations, of criminal liability, and found in fact that she was the first official to recognize the problem and to try and correct it.” LA Times. Why should she be punished for whistleblowing?

“The list of FELONIES she committed and announced by James Comey would land anyone else in jail...” Beating the email horse to death again? Yawn. “The reason that the FBI did not recommend felony prosecution, however, is that investigators never found “a smoking gun,” Comey says. They lacked an email or other record that established criminal intent..” Rolling Stone. What other felonies were announced by Mr. Comey? I’d love to see a legitimate list.

These were all investigated and there was no basis for any charges to be brought. Or does the alt right believe that folks should be punished even when no proof exists just because they don’t like someone or because the talking heads at FOX said so?

Carlos Ponce

Eric Holder -Following a contempt citation, the presiding officer of the chamber is instructed to refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia; – a prosecutor who, as an official within Holder's department of justice, is unlikely to proceed with a case against his own employ.
Lois Lerner -Not a single IRS employee reported any allegation ..." The allegations and proof came from those she discriminated against, not her underlings. Linchpins of Liberty, et al. v United States of America, had 41 plaintiffs and Norcal Tea Party Patriots et a. v IRS, was a class action involving hundreds of organizations. "In a proposed Consent Order filed with the Court yesterday, the IRS has apologized for its treatment of our clients (36 Tea Party and other conservative organizations from 20 states that applied for 501(c)(3) and (c)(4) tax-exempt status with the IRS between 2009 and 2012) during the tax-exempt determinations process. Crucially, following years of denial by the IRS and blame-shifting by IRS officials, the agency now expressly admits that its treatment of our clients was wrong."
And the "email horse" still runs. It was never resolved. Comey covered up for her, more to come in the new investigation. If you did what she did YO WOULD BE IN PRISON! Proof is there but ignored. The double standard is there. Maybe KA Rex likes a double standard of justice but most of the country doesn't. I'm not worred. Hilary will be dealt with. Don't be upset when it happens.[beam]

KA Rex

As to Holder: Prove it wasn’t a fair holding. That is just your cynical opinion.
As to Lois Lerner the court held: “As we had held in Kim that no action would lie against IRS employees in their individual capacities because “no Bivens remedy [is] available in light of the comprehensive remedial scheme set forth by the Internal Revenue Code,” Kim, 632 F.3d at 717, the district court dismissed the present action as required by circuit precedent..” She was not punished. That was your contention. Obfuscation.
As to Clinton: Where is that list? Oh, wait, there isn’t one.

I could care less about Clinton. But I guess she and the other gone from Washington bunch allow for the old straw man argument when you can’t make a real one. What I care about is an unqualified immature anti-intellectual reality TV personality trying to destroy the rule of law and his acolytes twisting themselves into pretzels to blindly support him. So, until the elections, I’m calling them out. I don’t want him impeached, just held in check til his term is up. The current spineless, gutless Republicans in Congress won’t do it. Then I’m out of the itty bitty sandbox.

Carlos Ponce

Don't worry Rex. One day all the corruption will be revealed.
Eric Holder's action led to the death of many Mexicans and even an American border agent Brian Terry and was done without the consent of the Mexican government unlike GW Bush's Operation Wide Receiver.

Bailey Jones

We've had an unprecedented economic boom, fueled by cash infusions from Obama's stimulus and Trump's tax cuts. But it won't go on forever - we're overdue for a correction, and every recession we've had since 1980 has begun during a Republican administration. One wonders how popular Trump will be with his 40% when the bottom falls out, and who he will blame for it - it certainly won't be himself.

Gary Miller

MR.Jones. The Obama ? stimulus was spent entirely on unions and Obama supporters with no affect on the economy. If that $900 + had been spent on tax cuts the affect on the economy would have elected HRC. Many of the recievers of Obama's stimulus knew how dumb it was and voted for Trump in 2016.

Steve Fouga

Gary says: "The Obama ? stimulus was spent entirely on unions and Obama supporters with no affect on the economy."

This is a load of hooey. The most cursory examination of the stimulus program reveals dozens of expenditures on a wide variety of projects. You may not like the projects, because many were social programs, but they went far beyond unions and Obama supporters, and had an overall positive effect on the economy. You don't need to believe me, you can look it up. It's a matter of record, and for many millions of people, a matter of personal experience.

Jarvis Buckley

Look at your 401K!!! God has helped us. Look at the folks that now have a job & off welfare & food stamps . God has helped us. He gave us the wisdom to elect a person that cares about all Americans. God has truly helped us.🙏

Michael Jozwiak

I’m very disappointed that Congress, the House and Senate, Republicans and Democrats, remains silent about the abuses, poor policies, greed, treason and so many more despicable actions originating in the White House. What fear do they have of Trump? What’s he threatening you?
In less than two years, our country and nations across the planet have seen flagrant examples of greed, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, bigotry, ineptitude, betrayal, crime, and even treason.
Congress has sat silently amid examples of pure evil, cruelty to kids, children in cages, parental separation, illegal adoptions resulting from this, collusion involving Trump and his family members, hate, and corruption of Christianity and other religious principles. Many of those children will suffer mental damage for life due to inactions and refusal to protest.
Silence is a tacit endorsement of adultery, nepotism, demeaning of women, the poor, sick, young, innocent, and the elderly across all minorities.
Congress condones lying by not challenging it with truth. They’ve given new rise to organized hate groups echoing Nazism and the Ku Klux Klan that actually have parades of support for Trump (and tacitly your) policies. The blatant racial hate seems focused only upon those of brown skin, from the nations south of the United States. Religious hate targets the Middle East human beings. Yes, human beings, people like all of you sad, fearful people in Congress. Has Christianity become KKKhristianity? Are ‘tolerance’ and ‘acceptance’ suddenly sins? Are the open, welcoming arms of Lady Liberty now cuffed behind her back?
Congress and the rest of the ‘silent support staff’ of Trump owe your constituents, our nation, America, and the whole world an explanation of your silent acceptance of almost two years of atrocities.

Jim Forsythe

Which one of the group below, did not know what they were doing was wrong?
They ruined their own lives.
Paul Manafort is found guilty on five counts of tax fraud, one count of failing to disclose his foreign bank accounts and two counts of bank fraud
Gates testified that he engaged in an extensive criminal conspiracy with Manafort that lasted seven years and included lying to the Internal Revenue Service to avoid paying taxes and providing false documents to banks to obtains millions of dollars in loan.
George Papadopoulos, a former adviser to President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign who pleaded guilty in October to lying to the FBI about Russian contacts during the campaign.
An attorney for Michael Flynn said Tuesday that the former national security adviser is "eager" to proceed to sentencing and put his criminal case behind him.
Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, pleads guilty in federal court 8 criminal counts; implicates Trump in wrongdoing

Carlos Ponce

All guilty of one common crime (as defined by Liberals) - they were associated with Trump.
Manafort's guilty plea has nothing to do with Trump.
Papadopoulos and Flynn - process crimes. Even the FBI agents who questioned Flynn didn't believe he was lying.
Cohen - guilty plea little to do with Trump. Tax fraud, false statements to a bank - nothing to do with Trump. Campaign finance violations questioned by Democrat professor Dershowitz as being illegal. And he taught many of those who claim it was illegal.
Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis has already walked back some of his allegations about Trump.

Jim Forsythe

The statement was "Unintended consequences. These people have had their lives ruined" and my answer was "They ruined their own lives". The ones I listed have been found guilty or have been pleaded guilty, so they have ruined their lives.
In some cases stealing Millions.

George Croix

Today we learn the Hillaey Clintons emails are in the possession of the Chinese government...that would be the potty server ones and virtually all others she sent or received....by virtue of a program that forwarded a copy of virtually every thing she had to the Chinese.
And, worse, this was known by 2015 by the FBI, including Peter Strzok, which those without selective recall may remember was in the tank for Hillary.....among others....
I guess the Secret Service guys outside the house 'guarding' her private server fell asleep for a while....
This whining, stupid, dishonest woman needs to be in PRISON for literally hundreds if not thousands of federal felonies for violation of the Espionage Act.....ask the sailor who got jail time for ONE inadvertant background pix.....
So much for all the claims that she was 'just being picked on for no cause.....
Can't fix that.......

George Croix

ps:?
The main ones NOT prospering under this prosperity are the perpetually aggrieved, the snowflakes, the people who make a living off convincing others how bad off they are, people so childish and petulant they care more about personality than productivity, jand anybody who expects a handout rather than a handup.
Essentially, most of the Left..............

Carlos Ponce

"Here's hoping US continues to prosper under Trump"
August 29, 2018 / 7:42 AM
"U.S. second-quarter GDP growth raised to 4.2 percent"
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. economic growth was a bit stronger than initially thought in the second quarter, notching its best performance in nearly four years and putting the economy on track to hit the Trump administration’s goal of 3 percent annual growth. That was slightly up from the 4.1 percent pace of expansion reported in July."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-gdp/u-s-second-quarter-gdp-growth-revised-up-to-4-2-percent-idUSKCN1LE1GB

Steve Fouga

Good grief, George! We didn't LEARN that China has Hillary's emails; Trump simply tweeted it out. The claim has already been rebutted by the FBI, and of course, China.

George Croix

No, not just a tweet, when that's not all you're looking for.......
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/29/chinese-company-reportedly-hacked-clintons-server-got-copy-every-email-in-real-time.html
MAY well be wrong, but it sure does fit all the known facts.....
The FBI pushed back against political bias claims, too, Steve....how'd that work out? And the Chinese are even less capable of veracity than the Russians, being LOOOONG time intellectual and technical property hackers/thieves. Exactly what do you expect them each to say, with such background lead ups, "Yep, we did it...." There has already been sworn testimony before Congress that the emails WERE hacked.
Good grief yourself.......

Steve Fouga

Yeah, I looked all over for the story, but forgive me if I discounted it when all I could find was Trump's tweet, Fox News articles, and "anonymous sources." ALL reputable news outlets pushed back on the tweet, and I only pay attention to the reputable ones.

If it turns out to be true, I'm sure the ongoing Justice Department investigations I keep hearing about will be all over it, and it'll eventually be used as evidence. All we have to do is be patient. [whistling]

George Croix

Isn't it interesting how all the 'reputable news outlets' manage to push back on stuff that, if factual, makes their reporting for the last, oh, say 18 months look like the same stuff that falls out of a cows behind....
Must be coincidence.....

George Croix

Follow-up to the FBI 'pushback' .....
Turns out, so far, that the FBI did NOT lie when they 'pushed back'....they simply didn't tell the whole story.

THEY found no evidence, because by their own admission their search was limited. It was the last Admin's. Intelligence Community Inspector General who discovered it, so, techinically...love that word...it's perfect for politics.....the FBI can 'push back' while still lying by omission about the actual meat of the story.

It's like when Joe didn't see Jeff stuff T-bone steaks under his jacket at Foods R Us.
They were sirloin...................

Very reputable.....

Carlos Ponce

“Foreign actors” obtained access to some of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails -- including at least one email classified as “secret” -- according to a new memo from two GOP-led House committees (House Judiciary and Oversight) and an internal FBI email.
May 2016 - FBI investigator Peter Strzok in an email Lisa Page wrote "we know foreign actors obtained access" to some Clinton emails, including at least one "secret" message "via compromises of the private email accounts" of Clinton staffers.
A Chinese firm in northern Virginia accessed private emails of the former Secretary of State.Emails got forwarded in real time
The claim was made at a public hearing in July by Texas Rep. Rep. Louie Gohmert and put forward by a former intelligence officer anonymously.
"The FBI denies having any evidence that Clinton’s email servers were compromised." Of course not.Peter Strzok just made the whole thing up????
The inspector general reports that the FBI intentionally chose not to follow every potential lead of compromised classified information. The report notes that "Strzok further stated that the FBI's 'purpose and mission' was not to pursue 'spilled [classified] information to the ends of the earth' and that the task of cleaning up classified spills by State Department employees was referred back to the State Department."

Jim Forsythe

Many things factor into the health of our economy . Housing starts are slowing down
which may be because interest rates are going up.Cost of goods are going up because the Annual Inflation Rate for July is 2.9. .This is the highest since 2011. Our INCOME GROWTH looks like it may be cooling.
Beside GDP, GDI is important.
An alternative measure of economic growth, gross domestic income (GDI), increased at a rate of 1.8 percent in the second quarter, slowing from the first quarter's brisk 3.9 percent pace.
After-tax profits have slowed, which could be indications of slowing. Hope not.
The income side of the growth ledger was restrained by after-tax corporate profits, which rose at a rate of 2.4 percent last quarter. After-tax profits grew at an 8.2 percent pace in the first quarter, boosted by the massive reduction in the corporate income tax rate.
A rate of 4.0 GDP or above, is hard to maintain for a extended time of a year or more.
The US economy advanced an annualized 4.2 percent on quarter in the second quarter of 2018, well above an upwardly revised 2.2 percent expansion in the previous period and in line with market expectations. It is the strongest growth rate since the third quarter of 2014.
GDP Growth Rate in the United States averaged 3.22 percent from 1947 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 16.70 percent in the first quarter of 1950 and a record low of -10 percent in the first quarter of 1958.
During the Obama administration, quarterly growth reached four percent or higher four times during the Obama administration. It actually got above five percent in 2014, but this is the highest since 2014. The annual GDP growth rate never broke 3% under President Obama.

Steve Fouga

I'd like to know how this article's title was chosen. It has nothing to do with the meat of the article. Looks like there's a troll in the GDN's editorial office. [thumbdown][thumbdown][thumbdown][thumbdown][thumbdown]

George Croix

There's definitely no politically conservative folks there, at least none they'll own up to after being asked.
I think that might qualify as less than a smidgen of balance........

Jim Forsythe

Last 2 lines Charles said in the text of the story.
To add insult to injury, we find that mainstream media is also in cahoots with the other "lettered" outfits. Let's hope that our country will continue to prosper under Trump's leadership and we will prevail in the long run.

Gary Miller

Jim. The Media continues to produce the Progressive spin that is ruining their credibility. Conservative news outlets are multiplying while liberal media is declining.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, a reply to Steve as to were the name came from.

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