In response to the bold headline ("More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in study," The Daily News/The Associated Press, April 22): The Daily News and the AP's slips are showing on anti-Trump policy, and when you read the article, you find the study was useless by their own report.

I expect more during this crisis. Become a newspaper again. Drop the political posturing and report news. Not flawed studies of high-risk patients who may or may not have had underlying conditions, very small sample groups — and for a whopping five days.

No wonder mainstream media gets a bad rap. They bring it on themselves.

Richard Armstrong

Texas City


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Lorraine Jones

Bravo Richard

Bailey Jones

You must have read a different story that I did. The AP story that I read described a study, the scope of the study, the limitations of the study, the conclusions of the study, and a link to the study. Considering all the hype from the president's supporters to move full speed ahead with dosing the population with this drug, I'd think they would be interested in any and every study, even a preliminary one. I can only imagine the letters expressing outrage if the study had reached the opposite conclusion, and the GCDN had chosen not to publish it.

I really wonder what some of the readers here believe the purpose of a free press is supposed to be. Правда?

Stuart Crouch

Agreed, Mr. Jones. Speak of the devil, look what showed up! lol Some folk just can't stomach anything that is not congruent with the narrative that they have been spoon-fed by their FOX & Friends. Apparently, there is no way for some of these folk to understand, reconcile or, heaven help us, accept things that are contrary to their tutelage. It simply MUST be "fake news", it MUST be a "liberal bias", it's a left-wing CONSPIRACY!!!! They're coming for our GUNS! "Patriots Unite!" I oft wonder what it must be like to live a life where the boogie man shows up daily in the form of a new and varied threat to their elusive utopia. He must be a shape-shifter or something. [beam]

Carlos Ponce

That sounds like the article described in the Letter, Bailey. Problem is in the misleading title, "More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in study". I find the trend to use eye catching titles with little substance in the article more common in Liberal rags. And this appeared as the headline on page 1 of Wednesday's paper. And our Liberal readers took the title as fact ignoring that the article said this was not a "rigorous study" and the 368 veterans came from different VA medical centers. A poorly researched article. But it was someone at the GCDN who selected this as the page 1 headline. A poor choice.

Bailey Jones

"More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug" was the conclusion of the study. Maybe you'd prefer something more click-baity, like, "The VA did a study and you won't believe what they found!"

There have been 6 stories and letters about the use of hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19 patients in the GCDN, surely that demonstrates enough interest to merit a front page story about the first substantial research on the drug's efficacy. I don't recall you objecting on April 7th, when the front page headline was "Texas City patients receive anti-malaria drug", even though there was no "rigorous study" behind Dr. Armstrong's decision. The only difference here is the difference that always tweaks conservatives - this story made Trump look stupid. As you like to say - that's something that can't be fixed.

Carlos Ponce

The VA did not do a "study". Doctors in various VA Health Centers throughout the country prescribed dispensing the drug hydroxychloroquine. Bailey keeps repeating the word "study" when there was none.

Bailey Jones

Poor Carlos - reduced to wordplay again

study - noun - a detailed investigation and analysis of a subject or situation.

"We performed a retrospective analysis of data from patients hospitalized with confirmed SARSCoV-2 infection in all United States Veterans Health Administration medical centers until April 11, 2020. Patients were categorized based on their exposure to hydroxychloroquine alone (HC) or with azithromycin (HC+AZ) as treatments in addition to standard supportive management for

Covid-19. The two primary outcomes were death and the need for mechanical ventilation. We determined the association between treatment and the primary outcomes using competing risk

hazard regression adjusting for clinical characteristics via propensity scores. Discharge and death were taken into account as competing risks and subdistribution hazard ratios are presented."

That sounds like a study to me. Further,

"In this STUDY, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19.

An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs."

Maybe you think "study" is what you used to prescribe for your students. Ἰατρέ, θεράπευσον σεαυτόν

Carlos Ponce

It was not a study.

Lisa Gray

I can also say that there was no mention of the already abysmal health of the elderly male patients involved in this "study". I found the headline quite laughable really. The fact that the so called "newspaper" has to use evocative headlines to spin people up, just tells me that they are desperate to change the real story. All I can say is I am sure that the 39 patients who received hydroxychloroquine at The Resort, who never even had to be hospitalized are quite grateful that they had Dr. Robin Armstrong give it to them. Why, I mean really, Why do left leaning people want this to be a failure? They actually WANT a drug not to work so they can criticize President Trump. This behavior is really disgusting. I hope that if any of you get this virus, you are given the opportunity to have this drug should you want to.

Claudia Burnam

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Charles Douglas

Ms. Gray, the reason Liberals are praying for chaos, devastation, and failure where Trump is concerned is very simple....FEAR! Fear that Trump will win again. Remember the last words Obama left with his vanquished followers after their sweet plan to get "CROOKED HILLIARY" elected failed? He told them, " Resist at every turn." He then started making executive decisions on his way out the door which made it easier to share information and to spread lies throughout government agencies, ie The "DEEP STATE"...which was supposed to make sure the Russian Hoax perpetuated by Big Jim ...( Walking among the Trees ) Comey, Peter Struzok, Brennan, and Clapper got the job done! Obama and Kerry have been back-stabbing Trump this whole time with their secret parallel Deep State government! They were contemplating prosecuting someone not long ago for violating the Logan Act when John Kerry had his rear end in Iran secretly trying to undermind Trump, and to help IRAN overcome the sanctions and tariffs Trump levied against them! Very despicable and unpatriotic for individuals to act like this in my opinion! They failed to win an election so they conspired to set the winner up, they attemped a "COUP"...they fabricated stuff, and squandered millions of taxpayer dollars on fake investigations and made up lies just to railroad someone they HATED. Individuals like these deserve someone like STALIN, HITLER, POL POT, NERO, or XI JINPING as their leader! Proverbs 26:27 states, " He who diggeth a pit shall fall there-in.....and he who rolleth a stone shall returned onto him again."

Mike Zeller

Dr. Trumps idea of a new Covid-19 treatment:

1. Chug a shot of Lysol [ohmy]

2. Go outside

3. Look at the Sun, and open your mouth. lol [huh]

Carlos Ponce

Were you drunk when you saw the news conference, Mike?

jimmy winston


Bailey Jones

Mike, I think the practice is technically called "perineum sunning".

Jim Forsythe

Bailey, are you suggesting that Trump or Carlos does this.

Brings a new meaning to the song, "Let The Sunshine".

Bailey Jones

No, Jim, I doubt seriously that Trump or Carlos could manage the gymnastics - I certainly couldn't. Not that I haven't tried, you understand...

Carlos Ponce

I see the Three Stooges are posting again!

Wayne D Holt

Mike, apparently you don't follow late breaking developments closely. Numbers 2 and 3 of your list are now government sanctioned.

"Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true."

Bailey Jones

And to think of all the grief conservatives gave Millennials for their "Tide Pod Challenge". Someone should do a followup and see if any of those kids caught the 'rona. Could be big news for the next coronavirus press conference.

Craig Mason

Holy Crap Mike that was funny. I have to admit I have thought to myself if Lysol kills this virus on a surface, why couldn’t we develop a medicine like that for internal use. Never thought of chugging it though. That made me laugh.

Jim Forsythe

You're gonna study this injection technique, aren't you Dr Birx?

Oh yes, of course, President Trump, and I want you to be part of the study group. I promise you won't get the placebo!

Carlos Ponce

Making things up again or hallucinating again, Jim?

Jim Forsythe

What the President suggested may kill people if they follow his lead.

“Is there a way we can do something like that by injection, inside, or almost a cleaning?” Trump said. “It would be interesting to check that.”

Disinfectant makers are already trying to warn people not to do what the President suggested.

Lysol and Dettol maker Reckitt Benckiser (RB.L) warned people against using disinfectants to treat the coronavirus after U.S. President Donald Trump suggested researchers try putting disinfectants into patients’ bodies. "Under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route)," the company said .”

“Suppose we hit the body with a tremendous ultraviolet or just very powerful light,” Trump said, following Bryan’s presentation. “I think that hasn’t been checked but you’re going to test it.”

Later in the briefing, Dr Birx was asked by a reporter if she had heard of sunlight treating viral disease. ‘Not as a treatment,’ Dr. Birx replied. ‘I mean, certainly, fever is a good thing, when you have a fever it helps your body respond. But not as…’ Mr Trump interrupted: ‘I think that’s a great thing to look at.’

Carlos Ponce

"can do something LIKE that" - Anyone with intelligence knows what Trump meant. Let me translate for those who do not: Is there a way to inject something into the infected person that will take care of the virus?

Why did Lysol issue a warning? Because they knew someone would take the president's words out of context. In your quote notice Trump never mentions Lysol. Where did they get that idea? Nancy Pelosi, who said, "The president is asking people to inject Lysol into their lungs". He never did. But the gullible will believe anything Nancy says.

Are you in that group?

Dan Freeman

Evidently the News is prescient. The FDA is now warning against the use of hydroxycholoroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of a hospital or clinical trial due to heart risk: It goes on clarify that they are aware of increased off label use of these medicine in spite of the known increased risks.

Please do not use these or disinfectants in a manner suggested or implied by the President.

Carlos Ponce

" is now warning against the use of hydroxycholoroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of a hospital or clinical trial "

No, Dan, the article did not issue a "warning" but a caution: "FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems.Close supervision is strongly recommended"

The use by Dr. Robin Armstrong, a UTMB physician, was outside a hospital and not considered a clinical study. The logistics of transporting 39 residents was not feasible so they were treated in the nursing home under closely monitored supervision.

What DID the president say about the use of disinfectant?

“I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with.”

"do something like that" does not imply doing it EXACTLY like that.

Today I went in for a dental procedure. After checking my temperature and blood pressure they had me gargle with oxygenated water. They said it would kill bacteria and viruses present. I'm not saying pump the patient with oxygenated water but maybe something similar can be done.

Dan Freeman

Carlos I did not cite an article. It was the actual FDA warning. Dr. Armstrong gave an off label drug to patients. Now FDA says not to. I think you being disingenuous.

What does that have to do with Drumps suggestion to investigate injecting light. Just stay on point.

Carlos Ponce

Dan, look at the website YOU provided:

The word "warning" is not there nor when you open that site. In fact, the word WARNING is nowhere on the website. You made it up.

Joe Mancuso

Dan, the site you provided does indeed include a "warning" from the FDA. The following appears under the section titled "What is FDA doing":

"To decrease the risk of these heart problems that can be life-threatening, we are WARNING (my capitalization) the public that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, either alone or combined with azithromycin, when used for COVID-19 should be limited to clinical trial settings or for treating certain hospitalized patients under the EUA. FDA will continue to investigate risks associated with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for COVID-19, and we will communicate publicly when we have more information."

Carlos Ponce

Okay, it's there under another heading but the headline still reads CAUTION. Just wait, this too shall pass. And truthfully, no doctor would use it on any patient without monitoring. As Dr. Robin Armstrong reported, no side effects.

Emile Pope

Interesting how the sites he provides show him to be wrong.

Carlos Ponce

Emile, "Interesting how the sites he provides show him to be wrong."

Since Dan Freeman provided the site, Emile is saying Dan is wrong. VERY interesting.

Lisa Gray

Carlos, these lefties know exactly what was said. They know that this was a question, a pondering by the President. It makes me sick that they can't point their ever so superior insight on the leaders and past leaders of their own party. The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven and I and millions of American's are sick of it.

tom carpenter

Yes, Trump actually asked, after hearing a presentation on how bleach and rubbing alcohol can kill the virus on surfaces: "Is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because, you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that."

Is there a stupider, more dangerous thing he could possibly say? Could he possibly give a clearer indication that he is manifestly unfit to lead the nation during a public health crisis? Small children know better than this.

Emile Pope

"Is there a stupider, more dangerous thing he could possibly say?" Yes. Will he say it? Without question. Will his followers deny it or try to rationalize it? Guaranteed. Will they bring up the Democrats? Bet the farm on it...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, READ what the president then said:

Jim: (34:05) The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?

Donald Trump: (34:22) It wouldn’t be through injections, we're talking about through almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.

The president CLEARLY said "It wouldn’t be through injections".

What was inaudible on the transcript was filled in by If a Liberal website like Salon heard it, why didn't you?

Carlos Ponce

Why do Liberal anti-Trump's IGNORE everything that was said by the President? This was clarified at the same conference:

Jim: (34:05) The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?

Donald Trump: (34:22) It wouldn’t be through injections, [inaudible] almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.

Everyone with a brain heard "do something like that" and knew what he meant but Liberal anti-Trumps heard it as "do the same exact thing".

Emile Pope

You forgot something...Donald Trump: (29:46)"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please." You forgot to include this...

Carlos Ponce

I didn't forget it but any one with a brain can see that he is asking if something like that can be used inside the body. It's fabrication to believe he meant to inject these chemicals into a person's body. And there's a device called Heal Light that can insert into a human body virus killing UV light via catheter.

Didn't ignore any of that but it seems you interpolated a false narrative into what he did say.

Emile Pope

So you admit that you deliberately omitted part of what he said. The part that went completely against what you wrote.

Carlos Ponce

No, I do not since most of that was posted prior in this forum by Tom Carpenter. But it still doesn't state anything like Trump wanted you to inject disinfectants. You read that into his statement. It is not there.

"FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not Tell People To ‘Inject Themselves With Disinfectant’ Or ‘Drink Bleach’"

And of course, Emile will find some Liberal source which states he did after playing footloose and fancy free with what was actually said.

Emile Pope

The daily wire??!! You cite an ultra right wing blog as a source? Not a news network. All they do is defend trump and attack the left. Your “source” is a joke...

Emile Pope

Thanks for playing...

Carlos Ponce

"The daily wire??!! You cite an ultra right wing blog as a source?"

Emile cited über Liberal SNOPES without reading beyond the word "TRUE" to realize that posting was pure GARBAGE.

tom carpenter

That's just one of the critics of Trump's idea. This guy is bonkers. He needs to go.

Carlos Ponce

And it will be interesting to see Tom Carpenter's reaction when they announce Trump's re-election in November.

Charles Douglas

Yes Man! I understand your point. However, I smell fear from the Liberals! When see them trying to gang up ....laughing,....cracking, ...sometimes their voice trembling like they do on the news,...sure fire sign of FEAR! They are trying to stop the hemorrhaging of their hopes bleeding out down the drain! Lolo. Please! All Liberals everywhere knows what Trump is going to do to O'Biden.. ( he calls himself.) I say let them have a little fun while they can! November will be here soon enough, and the whole world will be watching too! Let us see who will be jaw-jacking ...and BS ing then. Lao Tzu say... "He Who Laugh Last...Laugh Best!" [beam]

Emile Pope

Anyone who lives in a country where the leader fires medical experts who don't believe in their inane medical theories, puts dog breeders in charge of a pandemic task force, and suggest that injecting disinfectants into people to cure coronavirus, people has reason to be cautious.

Carlos Ponce

I agree Emile! It's a good thing Trump didn't do any of the things you mention.

Emile Pope

Emile Pope

Carlos Ponce

On the Snopes' article about injecting disinfectant they do not dwell much nor comment on the ACTUAL QUOTE. It's there but much of their diatribe is from experts saying one shouldn't inject disinfectant. DUH! And they do include that Trump said “It wouldn’t be through injection.” But they state the accusation is true????? HOW STUPID! The writer Dan Evon did not prove that.

And author Bethania Palma fails in her writing to show the Trump Administration Fired the US Pandemic Response Team. She uses Tweets from Judd Legum, of "Popular Information", a newsletter. Then states John Bolton reorganized Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer's team which led to the admiral leaving.

Then she discusses Trump cutting CDC funding. It was in his proposed budget but when Congress submitted the appropriation it was NOT CUT. And Trump signed it.

Bot articles are failures. Looks like Emile did not read beyond the word "TRUE" to realize that rating was unwarranted.

Emile Pope

Stop laughing at him...

Carlos Ponce

What Snopes author Bethania Palma fails to mention is Rear Admiral Timothy Ziemer was NEVER FIRED. Other members of the Global Health Security and Biothreats which Ziemer headed went to the new directorate or elsewhere in the NSC. Ziemer decided to LEAVE. He now is an administrator in the Bureau for Democracy, Conflict, and Humanitarian Assistance within the U.S. Agency for International Development. That's a position he wanted. He was NOT FIRED. He moved on.

In in 2009, Obama eliminated the White House Health and Security Office, which worked on international health issues. Following the Ebola outbreak the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense at the NSC was established.

According to WAPO, "The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline."

WAPO states John Bolton fired Zeimer which is not true. Timothy Ziemer decided not to continue his role in the new agency but to move to a position he wanted. But WAPO contradicts itself as far as Zeimer being "fired": "Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called 'the dream team,' remained in place."

Was Snopes' author Bethania Palma accurate? No.

Ted Gillis

There is a video that a news cameraman took of Dr Birx while Trump was saying these things. She’s got a blank (or non committal) look when he starts and then she flinches with a grimace on her face. Her reaction in real time sums up what we all heard.

So you can cherry pick the presidents words apart all you want, but she heard what we heard.

Carlos Ponce

No link? The news feed doesn't show this.

Carlos Ponce

I found your video (Buzzfeed). it shows Dr. Birx looking down as if she's thinking about the President's words. I believe you read too much into this. So did other Liberals.

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