The letter by Thomas Devane ("Despite all the facts, support for Trump lingers," The Daily News, Sept. 7) could have been written by me and some of my friends.

I say, “Amen” to his important message about the fact that “despite all the facts about Trump, support lingers.”

Thank you sir for your good letter. This topic is the subject of many political discussions between myself and my friends. I reiterate his point: “You, who support and empower him, will not be able to reconcile this with your conscience when he is finished.”

And I add, “Where is the leadership in the self-serving GOP at this time of national crisis?”

Maris Helfrich

Galveston

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Carlos Ponce

What national crisis????????
Liberals, look at the facts, not the propaganda the Democrat Party puts out.
The economy is GREAT!
Consumer confidence is UP!
Unemployment is very low.
Low unemployment for Hispanics.
Low unemployment for Blacks.
Low unemployment for women.
More Americans ever employed in American history.
More jobs available than people available.
GDP is up.
Obama asked NATO partners to increase their monetary contributions and didn't get much. Trump got the job done. These countries are now contributing MORE.
The Trump administration renegotiated the unfair to US NAFTA agreement with Mexico and is now renegotiating with Canada, China and Europe. Trump doesn't get all he wants but it's better than what we had.
From CNBC.com
Trump's performance, as measured by the S&P 500, is up 23 percent in the year since his inauguration, much better than the 13 percent average of first-year performances since 1928. Stock market's value under Trump has grown by $6.9 trillion to $30.6 trillion.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/stock-markets-value-under-trump-has-grown-by-6-point-9-trillion-to-30-point-6-trillion.html
Attention Liberals! No one likes a sore loser. Crisis? What Crisis. Things are GREAT
Average hourly pay is UP!
Trump's approval numbers aren't that high but they're higher than when he was elected. What does that tell you????????
Posts like that from Thomas Devane and Maris Helfrich tell me Liberals are in panic mode.

Cary Semar

If economic performance were the only criterion, it would seem that you have made a strong argument. The question remains, however, whether the president deserves credit for those numbers. There are two alternative explanations for the good numbers which do not require Trump as president of the US. It is a fact that the economy was on a slow but steady recovery track before Donald Trump took office. The tax cuts passed by congress since Donald Trump took office were on the agenda of the Republican party and the Republican majority in congress, so they would have passed whether Donald Trump was president or not. Donald Trump signed them, but he did not have to fight for them or show any kind of leadership to get them passed. It was easy for him.

There is a down side to the tax cuts, however. The claim is that the tax cuts will lead to stronger economic growth and will be repaid by higher tax revenues. This is not likely to be true this time because as unemployment approaches record low numbers, it becomes harder to expand GDP and produce higher tax revenues. After the collapse of 2008, it was relatively easy to expand the economy by an infusion of cash through stimulus. In the present situation, the likely outcome is a transient spurt of growth followed by increased inflation. Most of the tax cuts went to wealthier individuals and businesses, and the response on the part of the latter has often been to buy back their own stock rather than to increase production.

I expect the tax cut to lead ultimately to increased deficits. Deficits are not inherently bad, but it is easy to determine when they are too high. All you have to do is look at the rate of inflation. When it starts going up, you will know you have gone too far with economic stimulus. During 2016 and 2017, the inflation rate was 2.1 per cent. This year it was 2.9 percent after hitting a low of .7 percent in 2015. The jump in 2016 during the last year of the Obama administration was a warning. The additional jump this year should be viewed with genuine alarm.

In those areas where Trump has used his executive power to intervene in the economy, the results have not been good, and I am thinking about his use of tariffs and trade wars. Congress has the power to rein in the President in these areas, but the Republican majority in Congress does not seem to be interested in doing so. The Republican party establishment knows better, but they have failed to exercise the leadership the present situation requires. The only thing that will change their behavior is defeat at the polls.

Carlos Ponce

"This is not likely to be true this time because as unemployment approaches record low numbers, it becomes harder to expand GDP and produce higher tax revenues." More people employed = more revenue from their taxes. And revenue from taxes is not the only source of income for the United States. Look for an increase in revenue from oil leases, something curtailed by the Obama administration.

Steve Fouga

This is exactly the scenario I'm concerned about. Unlike Carlos, I didn't get rich off the tax cuts, but I WILL be hit by rising inflation, when it inevitably happens.

Carlos Ponce

Inflation will come because of the increase in employment. It's an employee driven market now. Salaries will go up, not because of imposed minimum wage but as incentive to work with a declining number in those seeking jobs. However, equilibrium will be reached. Prices will go up on some commodities, lower in others due to the free market system.

Emile Pope

Ignoring criminal activity simply because of the economy is inane. The economy was doing well when Clinton was impeached. President Obama brought the country from economic ruin and put it back on the path to prosperity with a hostile congress to contend with while not having a single member of his administration accused or convicted of a crime. trump shouldn't be given a pass simply because he can't walk and chew gum at the same time...

Carlos Ponce

Emile has written like true partisan.

Kelly Willis

Who is ignoring “criminal activity”? With the vitriolic hate by so many, do you honestly believe that if Trump had done anything criminal he would still be President? What the left doesn’t seem to get is you are constantly reading reading fake news and believe it. Then you make fun of Trump and call him an idiot for calling it fake news. But then nothing happens because it’s fake news. But you keep believing it and get mad because nothing happens. Then it must be some type of cover up because nobody is doing anything...but it was fake news to begin with. So who exactly are the idiots here!?! Does Trump say things that are not politically correct? Yes...and sometimes that’s a good thing because it needs to be said and sometimes we too just wish he’d shut up. But constantly calling him a criminal with absolutely nothing to back that up and then wanting to sink the ship that you are on by tanking the good economy is ludicrous. Obama did NOT bring this country back - that’s more fake news!! And you need to go back and read all of the people that were convicted of crimes around him - if you can find the info now because yes, the search engines DO suppress this info!!

Gary Miller

Obama claims his job reports in 2015 & 2016 were as good as Trumps are today, NOT The jobs Obama claims were mostly prat time, 20 hours a week, because the ACA forced employers to cut full time employees to half time jobs. One good job under Obama became two poor jobs.

Emile Pope

Wrong

Carlos Ponce

Emile is WRONG on this one.

Claudia Burnam

Emile, please name me three things that President Obama did to help the economy. E G Wiley

Paula Flinn

If you really wanted to know President Obama’s accomplishments you would google those three words. A staggeringly long list will come up—some things you may agree with and some not, which helped the economy, the middle class, the poor, the environment, and small businesses. The creation of new jobs, the economic stimulus, equal pay for women (Lilly Ledbetter Law) the mortgage/ housing crisis solved, the banking crisis solved, the US Automobile Industry saved, regulations for Clean Air and Clean Water, the ACA, with (CHIP), stimulation for new construction of houses, etc.
At the end of the G W Bush Administration we were headed for trouble, recession or possibly depression. President Obama tried to help people in this country, not just himself. He would never cut Medicaid, Veterans Benefits, or Medicare. He would not try to privatize Social Security. Your current President has this next on his agenda.

Carlos Ponce

Of course a big long list would show up -the media was in cahoots trying to prop up a dismal failure of a president.

Claudia Burnam

Ho Hum, still waiting Emile.

Gary Miller

Two dozen Obama apointees have been fired or demoted for criminal conduct. At least that many Obama loyalists are being investigated for criminal conduct. HRC, Obama's Sec. Of State may yet be convicted for a catalogue of felonies. China has admitted they have all her E mails. Those deleted illegally and all including from Weiners server. None were accused or convicted during his administration because he created a criminal DOJ where he and each member protected all others.

Emile Pope

I'll take that as an admission I'm right...

Carlos Ponce

No, Emile, you're not right, you're FAR LEFT.

Kelly Willis

https://observer.com/2014/10/sex-lies-and-white-house-counsel-ruemmler-blunders-into-secret-service-mess/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

KA Rex

“As Obama’s administration winds to a close, that remains true. Not one criminal indictment for anyone in the Obama administration over the entire eight years of his tenure. In fact, it is the only Presidential administration since Watergate to end with zero criminal indictments.” www.dailykos.com.

“President Obama ran a remarkably clean administration. However, contrary to the other 7 answers at the time of this writing, and despite my own admiration for the Obama presidency, I feel there is unfortunately one instance that bears mentioning. In addressing this question, there is only one person who might qualify, former General David Petraeus.” quora.com. How about a list of names? Does FOX or Brietbart have one?

“An FBI official said Wednesday the bureau has not found any evidence to back up a claim made by a conservative news organization and spread by President Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton's private email server was hacked by a Chinese-owned company. The FBI has not found any evidence the servers were compromised," the official told CNN and other media outlets Wednesday.” CNN.com (and tons of others). Just more alt right lies.

Carlos Ponce

Be patient, Rex, JUSTICE will prevail. The Obama DOJ, FBI, Attorney General covered up all the infractions during the Obama administration but their day will come.

Mike Zeller

Breaking news. Trump found guilty, sentenced to 10 years in prison. See what I did Gary, you can't just make stuff up, repeat it over and over, thinking people will eventually believe it.

Carlos Ponce

A Liberal Democrat making things up without substance is nothing new, Miguelito.

Emile Pope

trump keeps saying that he's done nothing wrong, but won't testify and keeps trying to sabotage and end the investigation of him. Now he's an unindicted co-conspirator...stay tuned...

Carlos Ponce

won't testify - Mueller has a "perjury trap" all set and ready to spring. Just like he did with other Trump Associates - a "process crime".Not a good idea to testify unless it's done with written responses.

Steve Fouga

Perjury traps only catch liars. If Trump had nothing to hide -- or wasn't dead stupid -- he would have nothing to worry about.

Carlos Ponce

No that's why they're are called traps. Duh, Steve.

Nelleka DeVane

Ok, coming back around to this day later might mean nobody reads this, but I have to say that I was expecting a more substantive debate, one that might have given me little something to think about. I will say I response to some of what was said, that If a strong economy- whose trajectory was absolutely well established during Obama's administration- is all that it takes to "purchase" your attention span so that you ignore so many more important aspects of what our president should be responsible for tending to appropriately, then congratulations!, you are eligible to join the ranks of so many who care more about their own personal finances than for the well being of our country and all of its citizens as a whole.

Steve Fouga

Didn't this just appear in another thread? Is this a robotic response? 🤔

Dan Freeman

Mr. Ponce asserts: “Be patient, Rex, JUSTICE will prevail. The Obama DOJ, FBI, Attorney General covered up all the infractions during the Obama administration but their day will come.” Obama had two indictments over eight years: General David Petreaus in 2012 and General James E. Cartwright. Subsequently, one year and 231 days into the Trump presidency, still no indictments of anyone from the Obama administration by Mr. Trump’s DoJ.

But the DoJ can indict wrong doers and convict criminals. According to Fox News the Trump DoJ has obtained indictments for: Michael Flynn (pleaded guilty to numerous felonies), Paul Manafort (convicted of numerous felonies), Richard Gates (pleaded guilty to numerous felonies), George Papadopoulos (pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor), Alex van der Zwaan, ( pleaded guilty of lying to FBI), 13 Russian nationals and three companies for interfering in the 2016 election, and 12 Russian intelligence officers for hacking into the DNC.

Then we have the Trump DoJ indictment of Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-California, and Rep. Chris Collins, R-New York. Of course Mr. Trump blames it on that dumb Southerner he appointed to head the DoJ.

We have to conclude that Mr. Ponce is right: justice is prevailing by cleaning up the Trump sewage.
[smile][whistling]

Kelly Willis

Just a small reminder from 2014....https://observer.com/2014/10/sex-lies-and-white-house-counsel-ruemmler-blunders-into-secret-service-mess/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Jim Forsythe

As they said that Sub Rosa: An Introduction to Secret Politics would take 151 minutes to read , please tell the condensed version.

Kelly Willis

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-03-five-more-things-dont-add-up-las-vegas-massacre-expended-brass.html

Jim Forsythe

What are you trying to say? That a huge coverup happen? If so, what does this have to do with, the GOP's leadership in this crisis?

Carlos Ponce

Dan, wait for the indictments. They're afraid that when the Obama people come under indictment and tribunals there will be civil unrest. Judging from the way Liberals have been acting recently that fear is justified.[scared]

Dan Freeman

1 year 232 days and counting. I forgot about Michael Cohen who "pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges: five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election."

It is tough to remember all of Trump's cronies in jail. Still no one from the Obama Presidency. I will check back tomorrow.[smile]

Carlos Ponce

About the indicted Russians - one of the companies Mueller indicted DID NOT EVEN EXIST at the time of the allegation. And do you honestly believe those Russians will come over to face their indictments? It was all SHOW for Leftist to point at how much the "investigation" has produced. And most of the Americans indicted were for process crimes or crimes having nothing to do with Trump.

Nelleka DeVane

Robotic response..... Really..... Conspiracy theories can extend all the way to the island I guess. The robotic response is generally from the Fox news crowd. When you get your "news" from 1 source you are participating in the definition of an echo chamber.
There is a whole world of truth and reality around you. turn off the Fox, stop replaying the Info Wars episodes and wake up!

Steve Fouga

I was kidding. It looked like someone had just copy/pasted a response from another thread, or that it was a rote response that had been set up by hackers to reply to certain keywords.

Jim Forsythe

Steve, when you said you did not know who David Smash was before seeing the clip I posted , got me thinking, where did he come from? This is a clip of him at 17 on Lithuania's Got Talent 2009. What it shows, is how much talent he had at 17. This is before he started using David Smash, instead of his given name Dovydas .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXbulnSFNE
For a change of pace, the spoon lady. If you watch the clips, notice the dog that shows up. I have looked at several clips of her, and a dog is in all of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVykpoENEzE
Sunday fun videos.
The Dead South - In Hell I'll Be In Good Company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9FzVhw8_bY
The one that always gets me in a good mood.
Raise a little Hell-Reverend Payton's Big Damn Band https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3dB9FzVhw8_bY&&view=detail&mid=17C6D16FB6B47D96901917C6D16FB6B47D969019&rvsmid=5908AB25B26AD7BBC52F5908AB25B26AD7BBC52F&FORM=VDRVRV

Jim Forsythe

Raise a little Hell-Reverend Payton's Big Damn Band Little Hell - https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3dB9FzVhw8_bY&&view=detail&mid=17C6D16FB6B47D96901917C6D16FB6B47D969019&rvsmid=5908AB25B26AD7BBC52F5908AB25B26AD7BBC52F&FORM=VDRVRV

Steve Fouga

Raise a Little Hell might be the most entertaining music video I've seen! You are a treasure trove of musical arcana... [thumbup][cool]

Carlos Ponce

How about turning off your Liberal propaganda sources, Nelleka and use your mind. The truth is out there even if one doesn't use FOX and whatever Info Wars is.

George Croix

Crisis?
So far the big 'crisis' is the 'direct threat to our democracy' of failing to recognize the winner of a legitimate election - that would be about 95% of the national nedia and about 100 percent of the hysterical and deranged 'resistance'.....
The country itself is doing WAAAYYY better in just 20 months than in 8 years with Hope and Change - where we ended up hoping we'd have some change left in our pockets.....one has to be terrible myopic, if not downright dishinest, to claim otherwise
So far, after MILLIONS spent and over 2 years, the great 'criminal activity' amounts to a 14 days in jail sentence for a guy guilty of 'lying to the FBI' , an organization who's senior leadership did the same thing to all of us with impunity, so far, with ZERO tie of any kind to any 'Russian collusion'.....
Has everybody already forgotten Pres. Obama and S of S Clinton's 'Russian Reset', with the 'button' that didn't even say reset? Then Hillary, et al, doing all she and State could do to 'collude' to interefer with Putin's 2011 election. Essentially, with not a dimes worth of difference, SHE and the President at that time were guilty of exactly the coillusion that Mueller can't pin on Pres. Trump to date. They were also intereferring in another country's election, at least two, Russia and Israel - directly, purposely, and even fyunneling money from the USA to aid in said interference.
Maybe a bit of remedial, 7th garde level reading would jog the memories of 'the resistance'.....of course, that would require an ability to reason, so, I see it as a lsot cause already.......
[whistling][rolleyes]

Mike Zeller

George, I watch Hannity too! You do know his show is opinion, right? Nothing to do with Fox News.

George Croix

I dunno, Mike.
I don't care much for Hannity and don't watch his show for about 3 years or so now. ALL of the guest speakers are of the same ideology, at least about 99% of the time, and so there's no real debate. Boring.....
Is there some reason you would care to explain why anyone who is of a non-left mindset must watch Hannity? If you disagree with what I wrote, then explain why....it's all common knowledge and past history....even the Clinton News Network and the comical MSNBC had to report about the 'reset' gone south....although as I recall they only spent a few minutes on Obama's attempts to 'collude' and 'interfere' in the Israeli elections....and Israel is supposed to be our friend..............

George Croix

Collusion?
Where's the Mueller Probe collusion?
Anybody seen that missing Trump collusion?

Anybody?
Anybody?

[beam][beam][beam]
Maybe it's hidden behind all the dastardly deeds, one of which has resulterd in a 14 day...14 DAYS...OMG....jail sentence.....uncovered in unrelated cases from years ago by people who were not even part of a Trump campaign at the time because there was NO Trump campaign at the time....Or, maybe it's mixed in with Hillary's 'collusion' to funnel Uranium One mega-millions to her personal Foundation slush fund....
If the Olympics ever has a Straw Grasping Event I'm putting my bucks on 'the resistance'.....

Jim Forsythe

When the investigation is finished, we still may not know what Muller has found out. He will report his findings to the Attorney General with respect to what is appropriate and also the Attorney General will determine what if any necessary action will take place. Until that time , Muller may not release much information about what is happening,unless he decides to charge people before the investigation is finished.
One person can fire the Attorney General, if he wants to. Muller can also be replaced. He must be doing a OK job, or he would be gone.
Part of the guidelines for the investigation is spelled out in 28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction. Link below.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.4

George Croix

You know better than that Jim.
We both worked for decades with people who did rhymes with spit jobs but didn't get fired because of company, union, or refinery politics.
And we both saw weeks, months, and more time wasted looking for answers to problems that the veteran employees already knew and tried like heck to get anyone to listen to.
AND we both saw people hung out to dry because SOMEBODY had to take a fall for something.
Guidelines?
We don nid no stinkin guidelines......politics at some level is the engine that runs just about all investigations.....

Jim Forsythe

George, 28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction spells out how the information will be transferred from the investigator, at this time Muller to the Attorney General, which at this time is Jeff Sessions. If I'm not mistaken, after that it will presented to Congress.

It looks like to me that after midterm elections, Jeff Sessions will be fired. Trump treats him like a egg sucking dog, but he has not left, so if Trump wants him gone he will have to fire him.
Muller may not be far behind him. But again , that's up to Trump.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump treats him like a egg sucking dog, but he has not left..."
That should tell you something. Unlike Mueller, Sessions is working off the screen. With Trump constantly belittling him, the media leaves Sessions alone. Trump is like a chess master. He's already several moves ahead. To put it simply - it's an act. In football terms, it's a misdirection play.

Jim Forsythe

Egg sucking dogs that do not leave, but just sneak back in, can end up with a buckshot blanket.
"That should tell you something" it does, with Trump constantly belittling him, it shows Sessions lack of self-respect for not telling Trump what he can do with the job..

In the chess world, Trump would be a class J player. To be a Chess Master takes years of study, understanding of concepts of
warfare, and being able to concentrate for up to 8 hours. You also need to be in excellent physical shape.
To put it in rodeo terms, Bull.


Carlos Ponce

Let's see what happens.[beam]

George Croix

No, JIm.
Jeff Sessions merely has the TITLE of Attorney general.
The EFFECTIVE AG is Rod Rosenstein.....
It's like at home when we tell everyone we are the Boss, but do so quietly so our wife doesn't hear us.....[beam][innocent]

Jim Forsythe

George, if the Attorney general is fired, will it be Rod Rosenstein or Jeff Sessions that goes?

If you are talking about who Muller will give his report to you are right, that Rod Rosenstein would get the report first. I forgot that Sessions had recused himself from the investigation.

George Croix

If the guy with the TITLE of attorney general is fired it will be Sessions.
If the guy DOING the AG job is fired, it will be Rosenstein.
C'mon, Jim....no parsins or word games....we're both vets of that from years in the rfinery.
Personally, I'd like to see BOTH of them out the door.....

George Croix

"On August 11, 1999, (President Bill) Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, which is a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago. There were convictions for conspiracy to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as firearms and explosives violations.[5] The 16 were convicted of conspiracy and sedition and sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison. Congress, however, recognizes that the FALN is responsible for "6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials." Clinton offered clemency on the condition that the prisoners renounce violence, seeing as none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone and they had already served 19 years in prison. This action was lobbied for by ten Nobel Laureates and the Archbishop of Puerto Rico. The commutation was opposed by the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and was criticized by many, including former victims of FALN terrorist activities and the Fraternal Order of Police. Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation, but withdrew her support three days later.

Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95–2 in the Senate and 311–41 in the House.The U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter, but the Justice Department prevented FBI officials from testifying. President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group."

Hillary withdrew her support 3 days later....hmmmm...just long enough to get a pardon that was popular with the New York Puerto Rican population associated with her Senate run...a popularity that would bring votes for her, despite her 'renunciation' later...
Gotta love this stuff - pardoning TERRORISTS to help get votes, while today the left goes berserk over some white collar crime by people acting on their own with zero association with the Trump campaign at the time.
Ya'll are some funny folks...in a really wierd and sorta messed up kind of way.....
IMO, as always....

Emile Pope

More conspiracy theory nonsense...

George Croix

And YOUR answer, differing from that of others, for why he pardoned thsoe terrorists is what, Pope?
Do you have a reason, or just the usual cryptic snarky non-responsive comeback?
I'm betting on Option 2.....[rolleyes]

Paula Flinn

The answer to your question is in your summary. None of the 16 had been accused of anything, and they had already been in prison for 19 years. They renounced violence. 10 Nobel Laureates and the Archbishop of Puerto Rico lobbied for the commutations or pardons. It’s all in your summary.
President Trump pardoned the boxing champion, Jack Johnson of his crime of “associating” with white women, which was a crime back then.
Will President Trump pardon anyone associated with more recent crimes in his Administration, like General Flynn or Paul Manafort? We will see.

Carlos Ponce

"more recent crimes in his Administration, like General Flynn or Paul Manafort?"
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
General Flynn committed NO CRIME while in Trump's administration. It was a process crime, allegedly lying to the FBI AFTER his stint in the White House.
"In a letter dated May 11 to FBI Director Christopher A. Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) quoted from notes taken by a “career, nonpartisan law enforcement officer” who attended a March 15, 2017, briefing by Comey. The agent quoted Comey as saying the FBI agents 'saw nothing that led them to believe [he was] lying.' Grassley also quoted from committee staff notes that 'agents saw no change in his demeanor or tone that would say he was being untruthful'.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/18/comeys-claim-he-didnt-tell-congress-that-fbi-agents-thought-flynn-was-not-intentionally-lying/?utm_term=.329f1e7ef05c
Why did Flynn plea guilty? They were going after his son.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#7e18f40c14fe
And Paul Manafort was convicted of crimes committed years before that had NOTHING to do with his association with Donald Trump, the campaign or his administration.
"more recent crimes in his Administration" ????? Please post factual information in your posts.

George Croix

TERRORISTS, PF.
You cannot summarize away that fact, nor the fact that Pres . Clinton didn’t CARE about all that multi-year lobbying until his wife decided to run a campaign in a heavily Puerto Rican place.
You are a teacher, so kindly stop trying to make 2+ 2 = 5, and gimme a break on comparing Flynn and Manafort with convicted terrorists.
Not even the ‘resistance’ is that disconnected from reality.....
Of course, with the long record of truth, honesty, and above bord dealings by the Clintons, those pardons might have been perfectly innocent......🤮

Paula Flinn

A “process” crime? Ha! You 2 believe what you want to believe, and excuse the crimes you want to excuse. President Trump’s time is coming. The Mueller Investigation will conclude, and all will see.

Carlos Ponce

Paula, if you have no idea what a process crime is - LOOK IT UP. It's not what I believe, it's a FACT. President Trump's time is coming in the form of a second term, continued prosperity, no impeachment.

Jim Forsythe

Flynn was found guilty because he got up in court and explained why he was guilty of committing illegal conduct with criminal intent.
If this is not true, then he is guilty of lying to the court. No one forced him to say to the court that he did it.
The inconvenient fact that he got up in court, pled guilty as charged, and provided the court with an explanation of why he was guilty. A plea proceeding is an exacting affair, in which the accused is thoroughly advised of all the rights he is waiving, and the judge takes pains to ensure that he is pleading guilty because he has committed illegal conduct with criminal intent.
Flynn pleaded guilty because it was a good deal. In Flynn’s case, he could have been charged with multiple false-statements counts; in addition, because of Mueller’s harsh treatment of people who act as agents of foreign governments without registering with the Justice Department , there was the possibility of charges involving his company’s work for the government of Turkey, in which Flynn’s son may have been implicated.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, think about it. If they threatened to go after your sons wouldn't you plea guilty to a small process crime? And Papadopoulis plead guilty to a similar process crime and got 14 days total.

Jim Forsythe

When you plea , you are saying you did it.
A process crime is a crime that can get you real jail time. In the case of Flynn, up to five years.
I do not work for the same company that any of my sons work for.
I do not need to plea bargain. because of anything my son's have done.
I have not been found guilty of a crime, that I admitted to in open court, but Flynn has.
If someone son put them in a position that the father would think about pleading to a crime that he did not committed, then he failed as a father.


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