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Carlos Ponce

"democracy was trampled by the Electoral College's appointment of Trump over the person actually elected to be appointed by the majority of Americans"

Sorry Sam Barzilla, but the Constitution requires a vote from the majority of Electors in the Electoral College to be named President-elect, not the person with the highest nation-wide popular vote. You should have learned that in grade school American History. In a football analogy, it's not the team with the most yardage that wins the game but the team with the most points on the scoreboard.

Five Presidents did not win the popular vote. John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, George W. Bush and Donald Trump. All had a greater number of Electoral votes with the exception of John Quincy Adams in which the House determined the winner since there was a tie in Electoral votes.

Donald Trump had 304 Electoral votes to Hillary Clinton's 227. The United States was a sea of red on the Electoral maps. Also receiving Electoral votes were Bernie Sanders - 1 vote from Hawaii, John Kasich and Ron Paul - 1 vote each from Texas and Colin Powell, Faith Spotted Eagle - 1 vote each from Washington State. Those who cast their votes that did not represent their state's intent are called "Faithless Electors".

Gary Miller

The Electors from each state are selected by popular vote in the sate. The number of electors a state elects is set by it's population in the most recent census. Illegal voters can increase the number of popular votes in a state but can't change the number of electors the state gets. The electoral college assures each state gets it's fair share, equal to it's share of the national population, of electing presidents.

Carlos Ponce

"The Electors from each state are selected by popular vote in the sate(SIC)." That's the way I think it should be but it's not. If true, Bernie Sanders, John Kasich, Ron Paul Colin Powell and Faith Spotted Eagle would not have received any Electoral votes - but they did even though they did not appear on any ballot in November 2016. Some states specify the Elector go by the popularity vote of their respective states. Some don't but assume that would happen. But it's left up to each state to determine the rules of how each Electoral vote is handled.

Gary Miller

Carlos> The founders considered using the popular vote to elect Presidents. They rejected it when most states (AKA colonies) would refuse to ratify the constitution if

Carlos Ponce

"no one from either party has asserted the House isn't following the rules" They're following the rules since they're making them up as they go. The assertion is that precedent is not being followed. Chief Inquisitor Schiff coaching witnesses and directing them not to answer inquiries from Republicans gives an air of illegitimacy to the Star Chamber investigation. But it's within the rules Democrats have established. While Republicans did alter some of the rules in 2015 nowhere do they suggest the minority party have limited input into the hearings.

Emile Pope

That's a falsehood.

Carlos Ponce

What's false is your statement, Emile.

"California Republican Rep. Devin Nunes said that his fellow California Rep., Democrat Adam Schiff, coached a key witness in the impeachment inquiry. He said that Schiff coached Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukrainian expert on the National Security Council."

Michael Byrd

I’m guessing Sam slept through Government class in high school.

Charles Douglas

No sir, not in my opinion. See the Leftist Dems practice a prolific double standard which they deploy beautifully against their political opponents. They are not stupid nor void of understanding of the processes they participate in. They just hope their opponents are stupid and not informed. Also, they gamble on conservatives not wanting to belly down and fight back like they do! See, just like this writer is doing with this Op-ed, he is SHOCKED, APPALLED, and DISMAYED that Trump snatched victory away from them just when they were already having their After Election Celebration in 2016! He, like his party leaders are still angry and dissappointed. Now he see an opportunity to express his PAIN with his ANGER! I love it! Where else but America! That's why I signed up to serve in Vietnam so many years ago! Freedom! This is why I don't look back, crying, making excuses for failure, talking about Harriet Beecher Stowe, slavery, looking for cover! This is America...where " If a man can write a better book, preach a better sermon, make a better mousetrap, than his neighbor, though he build his house in the woods, the world will make a BEATEN path to his door." ( Ralph Waldo Emerson ). " Without me you can do nothing!" ( Jesus Christ ). " I can do all things through CHRIST who strengthens me."....Apostle Paul. Now, notice that neither of the ones I quoted said anything about a man's race, or color, right? Say AMEN to that!!! Send your offerings to the nearest house of God, with them,...they will Help the poor!!

Paul Hyatt

What you wrote will preach, problem is though that the left have ears that won't hear and eyes that can not see....

Charles Douglas

If I dont get at least one amen, I will quit posting on this forum! Think about that now!! The devil will not miss the opportunity to blame you for that!!!

Kelly Naschke

Amen

Dalton Logan

Amen Brother

Don Schlessinger

Amen!

Carlos Ponce

AMEN! and AMEN!

Gary Miller

The question of "who is the whistle blower" is really "is there a real whistle Blower at all." It's begining to look like the whistle blower is a figment of another lie by Schif and Pelosi. Nothing but a contrived letter out of Schif's staff. The wrong committee is running the impeachment process. The judicial Committee is the committee the constitution tasks for impeachment.

Carlos Ponce

The "whistleblower" Eric Ciaramella's name was released by Adam Schiff's staff on page 236 of the PDF of Bill Taylor's released testimony.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-11-06/read-bill-taylors-impeachment-testimony-transcript

But that's okay. Schiff's staff redacted it after it was discovered. [rolleyes]

What else is revealed in Bill Taylor's testimony? He got his inside information not first hand but from the New York Times (p52 of transcript PDF). Bill Taylor also stated in testimony there was "no quid pro quo" (P39 of Transcript PDF).

Gary Scoggin

The Constitution doesn’t ask any particular committee for anything.

Kelly Naschke

Amen

Kelly Naschke

Amen

Kelly Naschke

Thank you Mr Douglas. I always appreciate your insight.

Charles Douglas

!! [beam][beam]!! Much appreciated.

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