On Feb. 10, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christy said “the richest 10 percent of Americans pay 58 percent of the income tax.” What he didn’t tell you is that the rich make 93 percent of all the money in America. That leaves only 7 percent for the rest of us.

They make millions while most of us work for substandard wages and still pay 42 percent of the income tax. How is that fair? We build the products and perform the services that have made them rich, yet if we need those products or services, we must pay a premium price for them — and still pay taxes on them.

President Trump recently gave the rich a large tax break that also drove up the deficit — now the largest in history at over $2 trillion dollars.

Unbelievably, he's now proposing another tax break for the rich. Percentage wise, we pay more taxes than the rich so they can live in this free country that has been built and paid for by middle-class Americans.

Trump and his rich cronies are robbing America blind and we're letting them get away with it.

We must stand up for ourselves and our country, now.

L. Davied Bond

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Gary Miller

Using liberal definition of rich 93% sounds about right. They call anyone earning enough to pay taxes and have anything left RICH. Tax paying workers earn enough to pay 93% of all taxes. The earnings are greater than the taxes. The top 10 % you used pay more because they earn more, a lot more than their fair share. What they don't pay in taxes is used for paychecks for their employees. The paychecks are tax deductable as a business expense avoiding double taxation on the same earnings.
I wish you economicly ignorant liberals would wise up.

Gary Miller

[ That leaves only 7 percent for the rest of us? ] THE REST OF Y'ALL is the bottom 10 % who mostly live on government handouts from taxes paid by the rest of us taxpayers. Get a job and pay your share of taxes.

Don Schlessinger

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George Croix

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Emile Pope

donald is a crook and a con-man. What did you expect?

Carlos Ponce

"donald is a crook and a con-man", posts emile. Take his opinion for what it's worth. [yawn][yawn][yawn][yawn][sleeping]
But you do share that opinion with Michael Cohen - who is going to prison. Hmmm..... Birds of a feather.....

Gary Scoggin

Yes. They are both crooks and con men.

George Croix

darn, hit the Post button too quick.

That covered 'con man', so under the 'crook' category, would that include palling it up with a guy who bombed Police Stations, using his living room for a politics career launch? How about accepting a million dollar Nobel Prize then defaulting on the 'promise to do good'?


Bagage?

Everybody has baggage.....ask any Congressman/woman who left there with millions more than when they came to the job.....[smile]

Emile Pope

More whataboutitis garbage. Whatever you may accuse others of does not change what donald is. Which is a liar, crook, and con-man...

Carlos Ponce

Looks like Emile had his cup of hate juice at 3:46 this morning.

George Croix

It sure as heck so often indicates what the accuser is......[whistling]

Emile Pope

donald ran for president as a publicity stunt to market himself. he never realized how many gullible people there were that would fall for his malarkey. Wonder how they feel now knowing that they were played for fools?

Carlos Ponce

"donald ran for president as a publicity stunt to market himself."
Can you provide any legitimate proof of this? Other wise - BULLSTUFF!

Emile Pope

apparently denial is the first reaction...

Carlos Ponce

Apparently, Emile has NOTHING to back his statement as usual.

George Croix

Come 2020, remember who DELIVERED on promises to lift people up from high unemployment, often generational, and remember who all just talked the game for decades, forgetting all about you once you voted for them.
If you LIKE your own money in your pocket, then keep voting for that.
Or, vote for the ones who want to set you afoot and return to horse and buggy days, but only with non-flatulent horse.......
[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]
Vote YOUR wallet...not theirs...............

George Croix

I feel pretty darn good about a booming economy and more money in my pocket and much, much less foreign but_ kissing by a US President, and unemployment at record low levels.
Why don't YOU feel good about ALL TIME record low unemployment for Blacks, Pope...? Does it hurt to much that barack screwed them over... left them worse off after 8 years than before, while Pres. Trump has done better for employment for them than anybody ever has, and did so in only 2 years???.....Gotta hurt...!!
Oh, and I feel good that the Food Stamp President's legacy of record high dependence has dwindled, and that the 'Magic Wand' he said would be needed to do what he couldn't do was found and used by Trump, and I feel pretty good that our Military is in better shape and that the Commanders can command a LOT more without having a bunch of community organizers involved and I feel pretty good that somebody is in office that respects the Military and the Police and the 2nd Amendment and is trying, despite great resistance from the ideologues of the 'resistance', to keep as many illegal aliens out as possible and at least TRYING to minimize the egregious effects of 'sanctuary cities' rather than rooting for them, and
cheered that the 'deemed' individual mandate is gone and I feel ecstatic that hillary is not in the middle of a 3rd term of barack, AND that we do not let our overseas hostages rot or pay pallets of cash for them or HELP our enemies go nuclear and we sure as heck don't 'stand down' when our people overseas are threatened and attacked.!!!!
BUT I admit no improvement in my attitude about 'projection', where the usual suspects declare others are what they themselves are.....
But, no use P&M'g about that because it Can't Be fixed.....

HOWEVER, I DON'T feel good that our President has a Twitter account......
Well, nothing's perfect.....

Thanks for asking.

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Gary Miller

George. Voting for stupid won't fix it.

Robert Braeking

Did he run as a publicity stunt or did he use Russian collusion to win? You can't have it both ways.

Emile Pope

Yes...

Gary Miller

Emile. If I am a fool I guess I'm a lucky fool that Trump was elected. You benefited from Trumps election but were a fool for not voting for him.

George Croix

Oxford English Dictionary
con man
"A man who cheats or tricks someone by gaining their trust and persuading them to believe something that is not true."

Mr. Pot said to Mr. Kettle........attempted, anyway........

I wonder, would "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan" and "It was the video".....fit in right about here.......along with the 'gentle giant" and that son someone never had but knew what he'd look like......
[wink][beam][rolleyes][whistling]

And round and round it goes, and where it stops again, everybody knows by now.....

Gary Miller

Emile. You post as if you are smarter than the average College educated liberals. Have you thought about informing AOC, the NYCity brat, that wind and solar farms are required to have fossil fuel burning power plants on standby, ready to ramp up full power when conditions cut off their production? You might inform her Oil and Natural gas are the raw material needed to produce electric cars and the batteries they run on. Rubber and plastic can't be made from electricity.

Carlos Ponce

Chris Christy said “the richest 10 percent of Americans pay 58 percent of the income tax.”
Continue:
"Top 20% of Americans Will Pay 87% of Income Tax-Households with $150,000 or more in income make up 52% of total income nationally but pay large portion of total taxes "
https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-americans-will-pay-87-of-income-tax-1523007001
That means the BOTTOM 80% pays 13% of Income taxes.
Should everybody make the same? Take two important jobs: A medical doctor and a garbage collector. Both are important but should their salaries be the same?
This country does not offer equal salaries. What it does offer is EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

Bailey Jones

Carlos, I think you miss the point. The question isn't whether the services provided by a doctor are worth more than the services provided by a garbageman (although both are essential for public health). The question is whether the CEO of a corporation is worth 100X, 200X, or more, than the employees who create the wealth the corporation enjoys. Maybe 10X or 20X is a better valuation (the way it used to be). While I agree that a true creator like a Bill Gates deserves the rewards from the industry he literally created, I doubt the worth of someone who sits as CEO for an established company. And what's the worth of a CEO who destroys or dismantles a company (think Sears) or ships all the jobs to China? Back in the 60's the gap was not so wide, business leaders were more willing to share the wealth of companies with their employees through stock. When I started at Texas Instruments in 1983, for example, it wasn't unusual for a janitor who had been with the company for 25 years to retire with both a pension a few $100000 in stock. Because companies valued employees in those days. (Now they outsource janitorial services to a contractor who pays minimum wage to immigrants with no benefits or retirement.) From a strictly practical point of view, huge disparities in wealth are dangerous - just look at the French Revolution, or the Russian. Human beings have value, labor is more than just a resource to be obtained from the lowest bidder. People are the wealth of any corporation. As far as the tax cuts go - I think they're great. Never again will I have to listen to Republicans' claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility and low deficits.

Carlos Ponce

"The question is whether the CEO of a corporation is worth 100X, 200X, or more, than the employees who create the wealth the corporation enjoys."
It's a private business, The company can pay whatever as long as they meet the locality's minimum wage law. To do otherwise would mean government takeover - very communist in nature.[scared]

Bailey Jones

Carlos, it wasn't communism that made corporations care about their employees in earlier days. It was character.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, the topic is SALARY! [offtopic]

Gary Miller

MR. Jones. A CEO earning 200X his employees oversees a company with a Annual labor bill 3,000 or 4,000 times more than the CEOs. Highly paid to make sure stock holders, the owners, get enough return on investment. Too little earnings the company fails. CEO and workers look for another job. Stock holders are the factor you neglect.

Gary Miller

Carlos again you say it better. The US tax code cheats the top 20%. Paying 87 % of taxes on 52 % of earnings is unfair.

Carlos Ponce

Better but not optimal.

Gary Miller

Carlos. Correct as usual. Quick math? Top 20% earn 52% but pay 87 % of taxes.

Robert Braeking

You got it backward. Taxes are theft. Although a certain amount of money is necessary to operate the government, everyone should pay his fair share. Everyone should pay the same percentage of income. No deductions, No loopholes. Social security, medicare, and all other 'payroll' taxes should be included in the total with no limits on the maximum payed. If I have to pay 16% on social security for every nickel I make then the people who make over $132,900 should pay 16% on every dollar they earn as well. The income tax should be the same for everyone.

Tax cuts are merely a thieves refund to the victim.

Carlos Ponce

"Tax cuts are merely a thieves refund to the victim."
Since the cut taxes are not paid how is that a refund?

Robert Braeking

Carlos, you miss the point. It is like a street thief stealing your wallet and giving you back car fare.

Carlos Ponce

Robert Braeking, with all due respect, your analogy makes no sense. In a tax cut, the government lets you keep your more of your own money. It goes from your employer to .....YOU!

Gary Miller

Great to see someone actually understands. Each citizen should pay their share of government. Why do the lowest income, needing the most government help, pay the lowest tax rate? One rate for all is the only fair rate. If the poor paid the same rate they wouldn't be so eager for government give away programs they would be required to help pay for.

Emile Pope

donald said that he would pass a middle class tax cut even if it made his taxes go up. Seems that his tax cut was for him and others like him and the middle class paid for it. And how's his healthcare plan coming along?

Ron Binkley

I'm middle class and my taxes have increased. How would we ever know if Donald's taxes went up since he will never release his tax returns?

Gary Miller

Ron,You paid more but your "take home" increased. When your income increases your taxes increase. Do you really think you should earn more and pay less taxes.

Ron Binkley

Gary, you need to also look at the cap put on the deduction of taxes on my home. I live in a high property tax area (no by choice). Since the Trump tax reduction, I lost the ability to deduction $2K of increased property taxes from my tax return. I know that my taxes are going to increase again this year. How about states like California, New York and New Jersey. So many of those properties already had property taxes higher than the now $10K deduction. I just wish politicians would quit screwing with the Amican Dream, owning a home and being able to pay for it.

George Croix

ps:
You'll know soon enough about Trump taxes.
Schiff will see to that....[wink]

Personally, I've never understood WHY ANYBODY should show anybody else what their tax status is. It's just become a game of playing to each base.
ALL of our Presidents increase their net wealth after leaving office, and the current one will be leaving behind 3.2 million in voluntarily forfeited yearly salaries by January of 2025.
I'd like to see THAT become a trend, where Presidents already millionaires refuse their salary. That would be pretty nearly all of them these days......
SOME positive symbolism is better than none at all...imo.....

Emile Pope

Made that back and more by forcing the government to pay him for his trips to the golf course almost every other weekend...

George Croix

More selective indignation, huh, Pope.
You've got a short memory.
"Seems to fit a pattern."
[whistling]

George Croix

The thing about getting to deduct high property taxes without some limit is that IF anyone is living in such a place by choice then they were getting to pay less in on their federal income tax due on their adjusted gross income because they owned high dollar property and got a big deduction.
That was not right for people who do NOT have a high prop tax deduction but make the same amount of money - they had to pay in more federal tax.
It's been a benefit for years cutting the pain of living in a high tax state at the expense of federal revenues.
What we have now levels the playing field, except for anyone forced by job requirements or whatever loses out......
I feel bad for them, as I know they felt bad for me previously....
Sometimes my ox gets gored, sometimes somebody else's........
IF we ever go to a national sales tax, the ONLY actual 'fair' tax because it taxes all equally on each dollar spent, and do away with 'progressive' income tax, then there will be actual equity based on one man / one dollar, and NO deductions or exemptions or anything of any kind that the politicians can use to put themselves in office by pitting Joe against Moe.....
IMO.....
I hate that somebody always comes out on the low end, but that's life....BT/DT.....

George Croix

Was that due to a loss of exemption(s) and/or deductions, Ron?

Ron Binkley

I can only deducted the taxes up to $10K a year on my homestead property taxes George. Even with the 10% cap each year, the taxes are going up quite a bit.

Gary Miller

Ron. If you live in a blue state or city you or those like you elected the liberals that put you in the situation you complain about. You made your bed, sleep in it, or change the way you vote.

Gary Miller

Ron. Congrats on earning more and paying taxes on your increased earnings.

George Croix

Can't fix that...
well, in this case, it's multiples, so, can't fix those......[whistling][rolleyes]

George Croix

Is it even possible for anybody...anybody...to still be so .... limited....as to not understand that you have to PAY taxes to get a tax cut, that the top earners are the provider of the jobs that everyone else has (even the 'Government jobs' are only there because of the taxes paid by the people who earn money...), AND that if you get money back at income tax time you LOST money during the year because you made the government an interest free loan of that money when you could have been earning interest on it yourself, or spent it outright immediately rather than track up another charge card charge and pay interest on that. Manage your own life and watch your W4 deductions, and stop listening to dishonest hacks repeating the ad nauseum the BS about 'the rich 1%' and playing the Class Card...that and the other card is all they have, and both are threadbare.....

Gary Miller

George. Kudos. You say it so well even a College educated liberal can understand.

George Croix

Gary, the problem is not lack of leftist understanding, it's intentional ignoring at best and outright dishonesty to influence others at worst...or, routine, as it's now become.....
It's the exact same type BS as arguing 'walls don't work'...while sitting in their living room watching the toob.....[beam]
Can't fix that.......

Carlos Ponce

Gary Miller posted, "You say it so well even a College educated liberal can understand."
Even Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? I hope so!

George Croix

No.
She's the Pet Rock of the Democrat Party, and absolutely the dumbest person I've ever personally seen in the US Congress, in either Party, and that is a tall order to fill, indeed....it says plenty about the folks who VOTED for this clueless twit, too....

Mike Zeller

Y'all need to take it easy on Anthony Pappas, he's the Republican who lost to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. [beam] [beam] [beam]

George Croix

Mike, that's a point, for sure........
He should have worked harder to get the posthumous votes..... [beam][beam]

Michael Byrd

If one is not smart enough to do the tax math with a W4, there's not much likelihood they will be able to filter through the class warfare spewed by the experts in the Democratic party.

Carlos Ponce

Unless there's a phone app for it, most of today's "young" won't be able to do it.

Gary Miller

When will someone explain to AOC that flatulence and CO2 aren't related? Flatulence is Methane, stinks but is not CO2. CO2 is exhaled by any and all animals who eat food in a direct relation to how much food they eat.

Gary Miller

Mike. AOC didn't win over anyone. She was unaposed.

Claudia Burnam

When are you ignorant liberals going to learn? If you tax the rich they are going to pass the increase on to you, the consumer. who buy their products and services. So, just keep preaching for taxing the rich and see the cost of everything go through the roof. E G Wiley

Gary Miller

Claudia. Your post, correct, is related to the fact that business do not pay taxes. They take from consumers and send to government. Taxes on business are in fact another way to tax workers.

George Croix

ABSOLUTELY, and thus we see, if we'll look, or can comprehend facts, the fallacy of "soak the 1%" that provide the jobs - they just pass it along, one way or another....
Only a..challenged....person thinks you can tax your way to prosperity...

Carlos Ponce

"... new data from the IRS, released on Thursday, showed that the size of the average tax refund issued has not only caught up to 2018 but also surpassed it. The average tax refund through the first four weeks of the tax season was $3,143, according to the data, up 1.3% from the $3,103 average refund over the same time period in 2018"
https://www.businessinsider.com/tax-refund-irs-increased-after-trump-gop-tax-law-worry-2019-2
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/filing-season-statistics-for-week-ending-february-22-2019

George Croix

If the GDN had written this...stuff....a retraction would be due for printing such bull-o-knee. Fortunately, we article writers and commenters are not held to any standard, however large or small, of journalistic integrity......

Ain't that 1st Amendment a great thing.....[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Jarvis Buckley

If everyone thought as Emilie thinks.
It would be a scary world!
Thank goodness he is just a small but loud minority. That's the beauty of democracy. Carry on Emilie

Jarvis Buckley

Sorry Emile for the error in spelling.
As I get older it is becoming more
frequent .✌️

Gary Miller

AOC, NY City brat, isn't the dumbest democrat, just the loudest.

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