If Democrats were sincere when they say that walls don't work, their logical course of action would be to let President Trump have his wall. Then, when the wall failed, "Trump's Folly" would be a great political issue for the Democrats.

But the Democrats aren't being sincere. They're terrified that the wall will work, thus giving President Trump an even better political issue.

That's the real reason for Democratic opposition to the wall.

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Emile Pope

Giving donald nearly six billion dollars just to get a talking point when it fails??? And exactly what would define “failure”? All donald would have to do is show one single person stopped to claim success. Let him pay for it out of his own pocket if he wants it so bad...

Carlos Ponce

"All donald would have to do is show one single person stopped to claim success."
So what price does Emile put on a human life?
Jim Acosta showed how successful the type of barrier Trump and the Border Agents want can be.
It's not a talking point, Emile. It's a barrier to protect you and other Americans. Walls work.
What do we want ? A WALL!
When do we want it? YESTERDAY!
If we had the wall, tens of thousands of Americans would not not be lying in graves.

Dan Freeman

Please provide a source for the assertion: "If we had the wall, tens of thousands of Americans would not not be lying in graves."

Gary Miller

Dan. The report that 10,000 Americans were murdered by Illegal migrants since records were first kept confirms the statement.

Emile Pope

That’s not proof. That’s just a statement.

George Croix

What would define success, Pope?
Would keeping out several thousand more illegals per year, versus no more, than now be a success?
Would fewer new Angle Families be a success?
Or would increasing the yearly costs another 100,000,000,000 or so be a success, along with more victimized citizens?
Guess it depends on who is paying for it....financially or via lost loved ones .
Maybe nothing matters except the ‘success’ of getting a Nobel Prize for maybe accomplishing something some day.
🤷🏼‍♂️

Emile Pope

Not a shred of evidence that any of that would happen. Just like Mexico paying for the wall...

Carlos Ponce

So, the death of an American from the actions of someone who crossed illegally into this country isn't enough PROOF that a border wall/fence/barrier is needed? Tell that to the 5 month son of police Cpl. Ronil Singh whose killer - Gustavo Perez Arriaga crossed illegally through the Mexico-Arizona border.
"The Sheriff said that Arriaga crossed into Arizona from Mexico illegally a couple of years ago and it is believed that he had been working on farms in California's Central Valley."
https://abc30.com/suspect-accused-of-killing-newman-police-corporal-captured/4981053/
Or tell that to the tens of thousands of Angel Families who say a border barrier is needed.
Angel Mom Mary Ann Mendoza from Arizona -
"After watching the debacle in the White House the other day, I was very ashamed to even think that Nancy Pelosi would be Speaker of the House, to think that Chuck Schumer is a Senator in the United States.
And the thing that really bothers me about Nancy Pelosi is she goes on and on and on about the cost of the wall, but what Nancy Pelosi fails to talk about is the cost of supporting illegal aliens in our country, which is already at $136 billion and by not building the wall, that number will keep increasing every single year. So she’s failing to tell the American taxpayers, ‘Hey, follow my lead and more money is going to be coming out of your pockets,’ instead of building a wall for a flat fee and be done with it.
The other thing that Nancy Pelosi fails to ever talk about, ever, is the victims of illegal alien crime. Those are our children amongst hundreds of thousands of others. Unfortunately, our children have been murdered or killed."

George Croix

It’s already happenbig Pope. You figure it’ll get better or stay the same with MORE??
[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Gary Miller

Emile! Can't prove it until the wall is built.

Gary Miller

Emile! Trump would not get any of the wall funding. Actually most of it would go to construction workers at the border or employees at the U.S. Steel mill supplying the steel for the wall. Some truckers would get their share. Almost all the $5.6 billion would be PAYCHECKS for taxpayers.

Paul Hyatt

Emile Pope, if walls do not work why do you hide behind the walls in your home and locked doors? If you can have them to protect your family, why can not our nation have them to protect our nation?

Emile Pope

Ridiculous repub talking point. Walls are there to protect people from the elements and support the structure not to protect people from intruders. Name the time the repubs allowed President Obama to have legislation he wanted to pass so that they could blame him if it failed? Anything over zero is false. In fact the repubs blocked everything that President Obama proposed at every opportunity and then blamed him for nothing getting done. They even opposed things they themselves proposed once President Obama agreed to them. So spare us this "just give him what he wants and just say bad things about him if it doesn't work" position if you didn't support it in the past...

George Croix

Ahhhh.....so THAT is your real motive, as NOBODY is REALLY dumb enough to say walls don’t work. It’s just a cover for payback for the failed Nobel Prize winner.
Problem with your ‘poor little Pres. Obama’ stuff is he from Day 1 was a We Won guy,
Too bad that didn’t include 4 dead Americans and the rest of the country that actually is productive, and didn’t WANT to be on food stamps or get kept.....huh??
🐎

Casey Alan

Being a Democrat and a person with common sense, I would tell you the reason why. First of all Bill Clinton built a partial wall during his time it wasn’t a solid concrete wall but it was a wall that works efficiently enough. Democrats never said they didn’t want to give any money to improve the border security to add a longer pre-existing fence to make repairs. They even gave Donald Trump money in the first negotiations but they wanted the children that were raised here in this country but not citizens to be able to become citizens. He refused. Commonsense has to be used when billing the wall. Who’s property are you going to take away in order to build a wall? The wall has to be built as straight as it can be it’s not going to hug the actual border. There is a border fence now which goes behind and around a golf course in the United States. This golf course and country club is between the river and the wall it’s called no man’s land . How many other facilities and homes are going to be put on the other side of the wall or they’re going to have to give it up. The taxpayers were led to believe that they would not have to pay for it. This was never true but some people bought into it. There are existing tunnels now from Mexico into the United States that are being used. Let’s talk about adding resources to locate and destroy these tunnels. Building the wall is not going to do away with these tunnels. I would believe the first step would be to locate and demolish the tunnels. There are more terrorist getting into this country by way of airport. Yes there does need to be something to improve the border. I suppose more areas have a bigger problem with it than others. But it is no way a threat to national security.

Carlos Ponce

"They even gave Donald Trump money in the first negotiations but they wanted the children that were raised here in this country but not citizens to be able to become citizens. He refused."
Donald Trump did not refuse. It's in his proposal.
"Democrats would be crazy to reject Trump's DACA deal"
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/trump-daca-deal-is-a-dream-come-true-for-democrats-commentary.html
"The path to citizenship would be provided to DACA recipients via a '10-12 year path' that includes 'requirements for work, education and good moral character'."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-back-pathway-citizenship-1-8-million-dreamers-n841156
Democrats opposed Trump's proposal because it called for an end to chain migration which they named "family reunification".
"Who’s property are you going to take away in order to build a wall?" The property the Border agents deems is necessary. Under the Fifth Amendment, the US Government may take the property under Eminent Domain as long as the owner is properly compensated. CNN found that all who sued to retain their property under the 2006 Fence act LOST in court.
"A CNN analysis of lawsuits filed the last time the government seized land to build a border fence in 2006 found that property owners who fought to keep their land always lost..."
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/03/us/eminent-domain-border-private-land-cases/
" Let’s talk about adding resources to locate and destroy these tunnels."
Part of Trump's Border Proposal calls for such tunnel detecting equipment.
" There are more terrorist getting into this country by way of airport." All one can do is guesstimate the number. But even if just one terrorist gets to the United States through illegally crossing the border that is one too many. Terrorists don't usually kill just one person.
Threats from terrorism is just one reason for the wall. The wall will also stop drug smugglers, sex traffickers, child traffickers, etc. Liberals claim that more drugs go through ports of entry than un-walled stretches of border. How do they know? How COULD they know? That's impossible.

Emile Pope

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/politics/daca-rejected-deals-trump/index.html

The problem with the statements some people make is that they can easily be refuted...

Carlos Ponce

The article is one-sided. Trump would like Congress to fix the DACA problem, fix the border problem. The problem is in the courts, even the Supreme Court:
"By declining to immediately consider a case about the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program Monday, the Supreme Court handed Washington both a blessing and a curse: time."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/politics/daca-supreme-court-congress/index.html

Emile Pope

January 11: After months of meetings, Democrat Dick Durbin and Republican Lindsey Graham go to the White House to propose to Trump a compromise worked out by their group of six bipartisan senators. The offer includes a path to citizenship for eligible young immigrants, the first year of Trump's border wall funding, ending the diversity visa lottery and reallocating those visas, and restricting the ability of former DACA recipients to sponsor family.

Trump and the White House invite hardline Republicans to the meeting and he rejects the deal, making his now-infamous "shithole countries" comment in the process.

January 19: House before a government funding deadline, Schumer and Trump meet for lunch at the White House. Schumer offered Trump the upwards of $20 billion he wanted for his border wall in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for the eligible immigrant population. The deal is rejected, and government shuts down at midnight.

Carlos Ponce

"Schumer offered Trump the upwards of $20 billion he wanted for his border wall in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for the eligible immigrant population."
There was more to it than that.
“We made some progress, but we still have a good number of disagreements. The discussions will continue.” Shumer told reporters upon returning to Capitol Hill.
Schumer later withdrew his offer of Democrat votes for $20 million.
“It is a step backwards,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, a Texas Republican who is spearheading talks on Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), the Obama-era amenity for illegal immigrant Dreamers.
"The deal that reopened the government Monday set off a new negotiation on DACA. The White House and Republican lawmakers have demanded that border security, including border wall funding, be part of the negotiations."
“Full funding for the wall, no. What Mr. Schumer offered the president was an authorization for funding, not an appropriation,” Mulvaney told Chris Wallace on Sunday. “I know that's deep down in the weeds for folks who don't live in Washington, D.C., but the difference between authorization and appropriation is like night and day.”
In general, Congress authorizes spending before it’s appropriated. For a wall, first there would be “authorizing” legislation setting parameters for construction and perhaps specifying an amount of money that could be appropriated to satisfy the bill’s requirements. Next, Congress would appropriate funds in accordance with the legislation, if it were made law. The White House argues that spending for a wall already has been authorized.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/chris-deaton/authorizing-vs-funding-what-was-in-schumers-proposed-wall-offer

Gary Miller

Chain, diversity, lottery and family unification immigration were what ruined the DACA deal.

Emile Pope

Hard to have a rational discussion when so many patently untrue things are being written...

Carlos Ponce

"Hard to have a rational discussion when so many patently untrue things are being written..." So true, Emile so quit writing "patently untrue things."

Gary Miller

Schumers "eligible" migrants included all illegal migrants.

Randy Chapman

Carlos, they watched the Netflix series "Narcos". It's all there and factual. Has to be.

Carlos Ponce

Sorry, I don't view Netflix.

Emile Pope

Because at the end of the day, donald wants his wall with no strings attached and will never DACA to exist because his supporters hate it and will never support a path to citizenship for dreamers under any circumstances. He was offered money for his wall and rejected it because it provided a pathway to citizenship for dreamers and he will never accept that...

Gary Miller

Emile! Dreamers are not DACA, He should not accept that.

Casey Alan

Again liberals and Democrats two different things. If you would do the proper research you will see that not only once did he turn down the proposal for letting the children who were raised here become citizens but he turned it down twice. Some of these children even served in our military. But let’s put that aside. If you would watch the proper television programs you would have seen a program about the border. In this program the border patrol officers themselves said that more drugs are snuggled in through ports of entry. Not through the river and around the woods. And they should know. I have property
roughly 50 miles from the border and I never had any problem.

Carlos Ponce

The proper way to do it is to have CONGRESS do it. He wants LEGISLATION for the DACA recipients. Rescinding Obama's Executive Order should have expedited this but the courts got in the way. They kicked it down the road. Now the Democrats want to kick it all the way to the 2020 Presidential elections.

Randy Chapman

That's odd because anyone I know that has property there or has hunted there finds plenty of damage from illegals crossing the brushland and them using their property for stopovers.

Paul Sivon

The number of Trump’s follies is already adequate, another is not necessary. Allowing a $5 billion spend so there might be a chance at spite is only logical to few people. That $5 billion could almost cover the cost sand to keep engineered dunes covered.

Lisa Gray

"Walls are there to protect people from the elements and support the structure not to protect people from intruders" Did Emile really just say this??? Well then sonny boy, go to the zoo and see how that concept works out for ya! Especially venture into the area where the bears and big cats dwell. Ludicrous statement! Please open your doors to these criminals ( yes they are, they broke in to the country!) support them and be responsible for their actions. I choose not to! I want legal immigrants who actually want to assimilate, who will bring their talents to the table, not just jump on the government teat at the first opportunity and live there for generations! Good lord the ignorance is strong!!

Mike Zeller

Lisa Gray, I guess you didn't read the Paul Hyatt comment that Emile was referring to, and I guess Paul has no walls at his home holding up the roof over his head.

Emile Pope

If you want to see a useless monument of no value, simply go to the courthouse and see the confederate statue. And it won't cost the taxpayers 6 billion dollars...

George Croix

There he goes again....

Jarvis Buckley

Emile is becoming obsessed with
his dislike of our President. I suspect
he won't be invited to President trumps next inagarul ball.

Dan Freeman

The death of anyone by violence is a tragedy. But hyperbole does not help. Mr Ponce asserted "tens of thousands of Angel Families who say a border barrier is needed." Where did he find them? Wikipedia makes the point there are only 14 Angel Families: Angel Families is a term used by President Trump to describe relatives of victims killed by illegal immigrants.[1] On Friday 22 June, 2018, Trump hosted an event at the White House for Angel Families during which 14 relatives held 11 photos of deceased relatives who had been killed by immigrants who were in the country illegally.[2] Among those attending the event were Laura Wilkerson, mother of Josh; Juan Piña, father of Christy Sue Piña; Steve Ronnebeck, father of Grant; and Michelle Root, mother of Sarah." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Families

George Croix

I think your numbers are probably closer on the subject, Dan.
Still, even if 14, or two, They are deaths that would not have happened had the illegal alien killers not been here. Not long ago one illegal alien child died while in US custody and the outcry dwarfed that of when our own citizens are the ones.
THAT child too would be alive if not for being here illegally.
It’s a problem with potential for tragedy on both sides....

Carlos Ponce

Dan Freeman, President Trump only presented 14 Angel Families. An Angel Family is any family which has lost a loved one due the actions of someone illegally in this country. There are more than 14 families. If he presented ALL the Angel Families the presentation would have lasted months if not years.
The exact number depends on the timeline used. The Texas Department of Public Safety lists 539 illegal aliens arrested with 238 convictions so far for the time period June 1, 2011 and December 31, 2018 for Texas alone. Not included are those illegals arrested on Federal charges.
"These figures only count individuals who previously had an encounter with DHS that resulted in their fingerprints being entered into the DHS IDENT database. Foreign nationals who enter the country illegally and avoid detection by DHS, but are later arrested by local or state law enforcement for a state offense will not have a DHS response in regard to their lawful status and do not appear in these counts."
https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/illegalArstConv.pdf
https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm
"Historical Arrest and Conviction Data for Select Offenses Associated with Illegal Criminal Aliens Identified by DHS through Texas arrests" show
1018 homicides for Texas with 466 convictions so far.
Each of the 1018 homicide victims has a family. By definition they are ANGEL FAMILIES. And that's just Texas for a specific time period.

Dan Freeman

Provide a source for the definition you made up. Again, deaths are a tragedy but hyperbole does not help.

George Croix

A bit of perspective:
Asked for to help keep out illegal trespassers is 5.7 billion bucks.
The federal budget is 4.4 TRILLION bucks.
So, that wall money is the equal of $57 dollars out of an annual budget of $44,000.
“Honey, I am NOT going to waste $57 just to try to keep strangers from entering our yard and asking us to feed, educate, and provide health and maternity care to them. In fact, that would be immoral!”
Then get yourself a good divorce attorney..,,,
THAT is what’s ACTUALLY in play, absent the ‘resisting’.

Ron Shelby

I'd rather have a well done coastal barrier than a border wall. Safety for our families first. I see much more risk to myself from a hurricane than someone who has gotten across illegally to do construction work. And the border wall concept has little chance of working.

George Croix

For more perspective, an Ike comes along every 1/4 century or so, while illegal aliens come along DAILY and monthly by the thousands and cost HUGE bucks for all citizen and legal resident taxpayers to have to foot the bills for and , imo, unnecessarily, by virtue of NOT supposed to be here, overload the resources of schools, ER's, maternity wards...et al......
If that is lessened by some means, then that means has worked.
Question, Ron.
If the surge protection plan was finally built , would it have not worked if some people inside the barrier suffered losses anyway but most did not? Is it OK to build it to do some good versus none with the status quo?
The 'wall' will not stop all, but then nothing will...or can.....
Same thing...better something than nothing.......

Jarvis Buckley

I would like to go on record that I find mr. Popes comments always slanted.
And many times lacking facts.

Tony Janca

The biggest reason the Democrats do not want to give Trump the funds is because tyhey know he will build the wall> I think a more appropriate question should be to the Democrats of 2009 and 2013, WHERE did you spend the money you allocated for the wall and neve built it.

They have always said publicly they wanted border security, enforcement of the EXISTING LAWS, but when they appropriate the money they quietly do something else - nothing gets done - and they surely do not quit appointing liberal judges who will not follow the laws on the books. If the Judges were just required to do that we would be much closer to having an actual immigration policy.

I, being a son of an immigrant and know what they had to pay and go through for both Health checks, work ethics, etc etc before they could even enter the United States, much less apply for citizenship. Let's just do the right thing and enforce our present laws, and if a judge fails to do that then he should be removed.


Carlos Ponce

Number 2 Democrat in the House Steny Hoyer said, "Obviously, they work some places," when asked about border walls.

Jim Forsythe

“We don’t think the wall works and as you know an awful lot of Republicans don’t think the wall works as well,” Hoyer said. But he went on to say, “We’re prepared and want to see good, effective border security to protect Americans and stop drugs and illegal contraband from coming into the country.”

Carlos Ponce

“So they work there?” Baier asked. Hoyer rambled for a bit about people living along the Rio Grande and eventually, Baier asked him again, “So they work some places.”
“Obviously they work some places,” Hoyer said.
If Hoyer can admit it, why can't Forsythe???????

Jim Forsythe

As I have said, the WALL is at the bottom of my list of things to do about the border.
As far as Hoyer, you will read what he said as you like. He was asked should we tear down what is already in place, and he said no. The interviewer than expanded that to mean, what he want it to mean.

George Croix

Jim, what other way is there to read "Obviously they work some places".....??

This is not one of those 'meaning of is' things....[beam][beam][beam]

Carlos Ponce

“Obviously they work some places,” Hoyer said.
It is evident Steny Hoyer is saying walls. fences/barriers (whatever yo call them) can work.

Paula Flinn

Open the Government, hire more Border Patrol, allow people to keep their land and property, and increase electronic surveillance along the border. Allow animals to migrate and get water from the river, allow the Butterfly Sanctuary to exist and be undisturbed, and do not build fences or walls. We have, in Texas, a natural boundary, the Rio Grand River, where wildlife depend on the water to drink. If a barrier cuts off animal movement and migration, many animals will die. If a barrier cuts off access to the river, many animals will die. This, over time, could cause the extinction of some animals.
Open the government, increase the number of Border Patrol and surveillance, and leave the natural environment alone. A win-win situation with more jobs for people and no barrier.

Carlos Ponce

How about open the border, protect the lives of Americans through a border wall, protect the health of Americans by stopping illegal drug trafficking through unsecured sectors by use of a border wall, protect Americans those who engage in sex trafficking, child trafficking, etc. Border barriers have been built since 1915. Many more in 1993 and 1994 during the Bill Clinton administration. But there are still gaps.
Paula, animals will adapt. They know how to seek water through streams that feed into the Rio Grande. Think of the coyotes on Galveston Island. There's no fresh water streams, rivers on the island and yet they thrive.

George Croix

Many animals will die????

Well, PF, USA citizens are also animals...how about more concern for them than a darn sheep....
Now, as a teacher, as one responsible for knowing enough to instruct others, you tell me HOW 'more electronic surveillance' will STOP illegals from ever setting foot on USA soil, at which time we begin running up a BIG tab on them......
If YOU were responsible for, had to provide, free medical/maternity/schooling/ and initial food and shelter to anybody who could walk through your house doors, would YOU not CLOSE the doors and only let in who you wanted????
Then why not close this COUNTRY's doors, as many as possible............

ps:
I bet if a thirsty wild sheep walked into your house looking for a cold drink you'd call Animal Services to get it OUT....[beam][beam][beam]

Paula Flinn

If there is no electronic surveillance, there will have to be a Border Patrol person every 20 to 30 yards to catch the people who will go over the wall, around it, or tunnel under it. This could be done now, without a wall. Just place a person every 30 yards guarding the river and surrounding territory. Secure the river and the land that borders it.
Let’s face it. Without surveillance, one cannot stop the people who will tunnel under or go over a wall. Most of the drugs are flown in, come in by cars and trucks, or come in by boats at ports, anyway, so the wall will just be an expensive way to build a barrier that will create major problems and solve none. Some of the problems I already mentioned. Eminent domain is a problem for the folks who own the land where the wall will cut through their property.
George, your argument is ridiculous! You are comparing apples and “road apples.” Locking my house and car is not a good comparison to building an impenetrable wall on the Texas side of the river to keep people out. Maybe those people who own the property bordering the river would like to lock out the construction company trespassing on their property and stealing it, for a pittance, for a useless wall.
On the practical side, even if Speaker Pelosi agreed with the President, the votes for a wall are not there in the House of Representatives, now. Trump and Congress should have tried to pass their bill through before the Holidays, when there were Republicans in the majority in both houses. I guess there was no crisis then. In 250 years, there was no crisis in Texas or in Texas schools until December, 2018. Yeah, right! There is still no crisis, and most people do not want a wall.

George Croix

Well, shucks...I can't locate my crickets chirping quick link......
Just imagine it...........

George Croix

I am disappointed to get the answer I expected..............

George Croix

ps:
WHY do you lock the doors of your car, PF, if not to keep people out.....?

Carlos Ponce

Paula Posts,"If there is no electronic surveillance, there will have to be a Border Patrol person every 20 to 30 yards to catch the people who will go over the wall, around it, or tunnel under it. This could be done now, without a wall. "
The border patrol wants a a wall. Does Paula know know more than the men and women who actually patrol the border? I doubt it. If US military special services could not make over the wall do you really think an untrained illegal can? That is inane. Some electronic surveillance is needed as prescribed by those border agents. Tunnel underneath it? Border patrol agents with sensors will detect them just like they find them in Israel. They do have ground penetrating radar. And they have aerial electronic surveillance that located underground bunkers in the Middle East.
Walk around it? That's what they're doing now. That's why more wall is needed.
People don't want it? Don't believe those ridiculous polls. They're skewed. They're wrong. Since you believe them, here's a poll: "Most voters continue to favor strongly controlled borders and reject House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s charge that it is immoral for the United States to build a border wall. "
"53% of Likely U.S. Voters think it is better for the United States to tightly control who comes into the country. Thirty-nine percent (39%) disagree and say it is better to open our borders to anyone who wants to come here as long as they are not a terrorist or a criminal."
I really think the numbers are off and the 53% is a low ball estimate.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/january_2019/voters_want_strong_borders_say_wall_is_not_immoral

Carlos Ponce

PF posts, " There is still no crisis". When you have tens of thousands of Americans killed by the actions of those illegally in this country, Paula doesn't consider it a crisis. Those Angel Families are grieving for ......NOTHING?
If not a crisis, then what is it?

Carlos Ponce

"On the practical side, even if Speaker Pelosi agreed with the President, the votes for a wall are not there in the House of Representatives, now."
If Nancy wants it, Nancy will get it. If not Nancy, her second in command who says walls work, Steny Hoyer will get it.

Jim Forsythe

"What we don't believe is, the wall is good policy. And it won't work." Steny Hoyer
The following is from Hoyer, as he joins Judy Woodruff to talk about the opening for compromise between Trump and the Democrats. The other quote that he is in favor of the wall, was from a interview, but edited down to make it sound like he was in favor of the wall at the border.
Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md.:
Well, I think there's nobody who uses rhetoric in a harsher way than the president of the United States and makes it more difficult to reach compromise, frankly, than President Trump.
But having said that, hopefully — this is bigger than Nancy or bigger than the president. This is talking about the United States government staying operative, serving the American people, staying on guard for the people's safety and service.
And we ought not to get into that rhetoric. What we ought to get into is, you said he can't pass this bill because he can't get enough votes in the Senate. I agree with that. That's correct. He's correct on that point.
Therefore, he wants something, and it's necessary for him to compromise. He says he wants something to keep the border secure. We are for that. I'm sure we will agree to additional — additions to the budget to better secure the borders.
What we don't believe is, the wall is good policy. And it won't work. And experts make that point to us. And, therefore, we are prepared to compromise on money, but we're not prepared to compromise on the end that he wants to seek. And, if he had the votes, he could do it. He doesn't have the votes. He needs to compromise.

Carlos Ponce

Number 2 Democrat in the House Steny Hoyer STILL said, "Obviously, they work some places," when asked about border walls.

George Croix

Jim, where do you suppose Hoyer was referring to when he says walls work some places, then says they won't work here?
Reckon he thinks the World's Most Capable of Doing Anything Country, that's us, can't figure out that a barrier stops more things than open air?
I mean, the non-deranged people, not the 'resistance'.....

C'mon...the back-and-forthing has reached the level of ultra-ridiculous, and nobody...nobody...REALLY believes such inane crap as 'walls don't work'...
The biggest mouth in the bunch has walls around HER place, so that's an OK for me but not for thee thingy....just like that same 1%er herself P&Mg about 'the rich 1%' ...using both faces...neither of which can change expression....[beam]

THE ONLY issue is Trump.....ANYBODY else, including the same Big Opponents now who already voted for the same thing years ago, and that wall would be half finished already, and money shoveled at it by the bushel basket....
THIS issue is exactly like EVERY other issue since November, 2016...just more 'resistance' or 'never Trump' stupidity...imo.....
BOTH sides in Congress need a real good rear end rearrangement by Dr. Martins....[beam][beam][beam][beam]

George Croix

Does anyone else find it telling that one of the vocal opponents of The Wall, Barack Hussein Obama, ex-President of the United States, did, while still a Senator, give impassioned speeches about the need to protect this country from illegal immigration , then as President, 'evolves', then ultimately gave the world's biggest sponsors of terrorism 1.7 Billion bucks in CASH (that's 1/3 of what is asked for now in the 'shutdown' mess...), and now talks about 'immorality'....
THAT is but one reason so many SUPPORT 'America First'....

Emile Pope

Made up...

George Croix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7LGoHV3aKs

Who's that, Pope...a doppleganger....??
Even Dorothy's pal the Tin Man knew that one...before he got his wish....

Now, if you want to be consistent and claim that the cash to Iran was also 'made up', go right ahead.....[beam][beam]

Only 345 days left in the year....try harder.....

Carlos Ponce

Terrie Turchie, former Deputy Assistant Director of the Counterterrorism Division of the FBI says Democrats are pushing a "virtual wall" and not a physical wall to benefit their contributors in Silicon Valley. [ohmy]

George Croix

Well, that's certainly virtually empty of realistic cause and effect, and would virtually assure allowing many many many thousands more future amnesty candidates for the people foaming at the mouth for that, and, imo, virtually unfixable....
I bet those folks don't get paid with virtual money, at least not until Maxine gets through making the dollar worthless..........

Paula Flinn

George, my house and car are my private property. To wall off the whole country, or the State of Texas, the US Government will be trying to buy OTHER PEOPLE’S PROPERTY under Eminent Domain. There are some Farmers and Ranchers who do not want their livelihoods ruined by the US Government confiscating their land. They will sue to keep their land. Talk to them about building a wall or fence around their property and LOCKING IT to KEEP THE US GOVERNMENT OUT!
They are anticipating not getting a fair offer from the government.

George Croix

Ya know, PF, Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower faced a VASTLY more daunting task when started the building of the interstate highways system. Imagine the GAZILLIONS we'd have lost in commerce and convenience time, even lives by virtue of taking longer to get help to/for people, had he failed to do so, and the unrealized strategic value of being able to move place to place faster in times of crisis and emergency.
For somebody so worried about what MIGHT not be considered fair by property owners along one section of border of the entire United States (just a guess what offers would be made at this point...) you sure do have no problems, seemingly, with what IS ALREADY FOR A LONG TIME NOT FAIR to federal and state taxpayers and honest citizens and legal residents footing the bills in the HUNDREDS of BILLIONS for illegal aliens care/education/medical/maternity, not even counting the crime and deaths that should never have happened in the first place......
Plus, illegals and advocacy for them mocks the honest immigrants waiting per the rules and laws to come here and assimilate and be American....

Your argument is best made at a DNC convention, not where people are fed up with being taken advantage of DAILY and ignored by politicians who, themselves, live behind walls.....

Carlos Ponce

"the US Government will be trying to buy OTHER PEOPLE’S PROPERTY under Eminent Domain."" They will sue to keep their land."
Paula. Please read the Constitution Amendment 5. It is Constitutional. It is LEGAL as long as proper compensation is offered. Landowners can protest, file lawsuits all they want. The lawyers will get rich, they will still lose their land.
"They are anticipating not getting a fair offer from the government." They can sue for that. But as far as far as keeping their land they're out of luck.

Paula Flinn

So after years, decades of independent Republican thought, rejecting ''eminent
domain, Conservatives are willing to abandon their stand and take land away from farmers and ranchers in Texas, and build a useless wall that one can tunnel under, destroying the farmers and ranchers livelihood. Some of that land has been in families since the Spanish Land Grants. I do not think you understand that the wall is not being built right next to the Rio Grande River. NO! The wall will be built right in the middle of some people's property, rendering some of it as a sort of "No Man's Land."
Besides bulldozing through a Butterfly Sanctuary where many species will be destroyed and reduced, it will cut off the water and migratory routes of the jaguar, Mexican wolf, and Bighorn sheep and about a dozen other animals. Animals in the desert do not adjust very quickly to migratory routes that have not been used all of their lives. The illegals that are coming in are coming in Ports of Entry. Funds for more security on the bridges should be granted. Some walk over with work visas and overstay their dates to return. Some come in trucks and vans. A wall will not solve that problem.

Carlos Ponce

Republican view on eminent domain: "We support limiting the definition of eminent domain to exclude seizing private property for public or private economic development or for increased tax revenues."
https://imminentdomain.weebly.com/republicans-and-democrats-views-on-eminent-domain.html
Paula has the usual DNC talking points: "useless wall", "tunnel under", etc.
"The illegals that are coming in are coming in Ports of Entry." Some are but many are at non Ports of Entry".
Paula thinks locking the front door but leaving the back door wide open is going to secure her house. [rolleyes]
Drugs are smuggled in through ports of entry and caught. Know why the amount of drugs through non-monitored, non ports of entry is not reported??? BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE THERE TO CATCH THEM, NO BORDER WALL TO STOP THEM! DUH! Drug smugglers, sex traffickers, Coyotes, etc KNOW where it is not monitored.
In a Liberal point of view, if you don't see it coming in, it must not exist.

Carlos Ponce

"New Beginnings Church of Chicago Pastor Corey Brooks says the discovery [of heroin] makes the case for a wall at the southern border.
http://live.att.net/player/category/news/article/fox_news-chicagos_new_drug_gang_task_force_intercepts_heroi-foxnewshv

Carlos Ponce

Add Three More to the list of Angel families from the Reno, Nevada area:
56-year-old Connie Koontz killed Jan. 9 or 10 shot to death in her home.
74-year-old Sophia Renken, killed January 13, also shot to death in her home.
81-year-old Gerald David and his wife, 80 year old Sharon David shot to death in their home on January 16, 2019.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-custody-brutal-killings-shook-reno-communities-officials/story?id=60519637
The man arrested was 19 year old Wilbur Ernesto Martinez-Guzman, illegally in this country. Someone posted "undocumented aliens don't become serial killers". The four who were killed and their families would disagree.
Zero, zip, nada on Wilbur Ernesto Martinez-Guzman in the Galveston News or even the AP news link. Not local news but of local and national interest. Build the wall!

George Croix

Total sophistry PF
The members of a party that embraced ‘evolving’ as the wind changes looks pretty silly trying to shame people who have the good sense to know that being invaded will NOT stop with ‘tecnolgy’. Only force
The force of physical barriers then real force to return anyone getting by, no more catch and release.
Nice try, though. There might be one or two who’d fall for it.😉

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