Can you believe this? Have we become Nazi Germany? Separating immigrant children from their parents, some of them just babies? Placing young children in a totally different location from their parents, requiring them to try to explain to lawyers why they want to stay in this country?

The administration admits it is having trouble keeping up with where these children are. In some cases the parent is being deported while the child is kept here. This is mean, vindictive and immoral, and I personally find it hard to believe that the government of the United States of America is doing this.

Please take the time to call the offices of Sen. Ted Cruz and Sen. John Cornyn and demand that they take steps to end this. Call the White House. This cannot stand.

Madeleine Baker

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Carlos Ponce

"In some cases the parent is being deported while the child is kept here."
And whose decision is it for the child to remain in this country? THE PARENTS. They can take their children with them. Why do parents choose to keep them in this country? They are called ANCHOR BABIES for a reason.
Answer: defend the border, BUILD THE WALL. If they want to come to this country there is a legal means to do so. But instead of legally coming in through the door, they are coming in illegally through the window.

JD Arnold

Are not children in every county of this state and every state of the union separated from their parents due to the parents illegal activity or unfit to parent status. In such cases the children are either turned over to relatives, foster care or cps. How is illegality of entering this country by the parents any different? Any case where children and parent separation is very sad but it happens all across this country every day for a reason.

Lisa Blair

And that reason is the parent being convicted of a crime. Asylum seekers are not criminals. It is not illegal to come to the US border seeking asylum.

Paul Hyatt

A nation without borders soon ceases to be a nation. What Nazi Germany was doing was entirely different. They were doing that to their own citizens and then to other nations, all the US is trying to do is protect our nation from all of the hordes that are invading our nation illegally.... Liberals I understand will never see the difference until they are out of jobs and they are being affected by the criminal elements that are flooding into our nation....

Paul Hyatt

Another liberal who says that they worry about the children and yet these are the same people who think it is their right to slaughter innocent children upon the altar of convenience that they call "Choice".... What about those innocent children????

George Croix

Of course the author knows that the LAW associated with her complaint pre-dates the Trump Admin. by years.
Of course.....

Jim Forsythe

I have read nowhere that a majority(if any) of the babies and small children being separated from their family's are USA citizens (anchor babies ) . Also for the people that say, a person that goes to jail loses their children (USA citizen), and the children are taken away. That is correct, but the people they are placed with, in the case of USA citizens, are visited at lease once a month by the state(CPS Texas). This does not sound like this precaution is happening with the taking of these children at the boarder.. Also, even a relative in the USA must be investigated before they can take custody of minors of USA citizens.
"Prior to 2006, ICE commonly detained parents and children separately. In FY 2006 appropriations language, however, Congress directed ICE to either “release families,” use “alternatives to detention such as the Intensive Supervised Appearance Program,” or, if necessary, use “appropriate” detention space to house families together"

We are now treating asylum seekers as criminals , and taking their children away.

Building a wall is not the answer. We are using new theology and developing more
that will be more effective than a wall. We need to look at our visa system and update it. A E-verify type system is needed to keep track of who is in the USA, from other countries.
23 May 2017Washington, D.C.
"A new report from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) states that visa overstays more than doubled in the last fiscal year, surpassing 600,000 total. "
The system below will help identify overstays. it does not go far enough, as a E-verify system also needs to be put in place to track people that should not be here. Track all jobs and transfer of money, renting of all housing. and such.
"The roll-out is being driven by President Donald Trump, who signed a January executive order telling the DHS to quickly deploy a “biometric entry and exit tracking system” at airports in the United States. Once deployed, it will allow immigration officers to quickly identify overstays for incentivized departures."
May 22, 2017
The nexus of illegal immigration into the U.S. has shifted away from the southwest border and into the country’s air and sea ports, where more than 54 million visitors checked in last year — and nearly 630,000 of them didn’t go home, according to new numbers released Monday.Known as visa overstays, the visitors present a different challenge than the border crossers, and one that Homeland Security officials are still trying to figure out how to handle.


Carlos Ponce

Jim posts: "We are using new theology..." Well, I'm happy with people using religion but I'll stick with my almost 2000 year old Christianity.
"I have read nowhere that a majority(if any) of the babies and small children being separated from their family's are USA citizens (anchor babies ) ."
If they are in a detention facility, jail or prison would you be happy if they took their babies with them behind bars? Once deported they can take their children with them.
"The policy under discussion would send parents to adult detention facilities, while their children would be placed in shelters designed for juveniles or with a 'sponsor,' who could be a relative in the United States, though the administration may also tighten rules on sponsors."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/21/us/trump-immigrant-families-separate.html
The only ones separated from their families after the deportation hearings are anchor babies BORN IN THE USA. But they are separated by the parents' wishes. They could always take the tykes with them back to their homeland.
Once deported they CAN TAKE THEIR BABIES WITH THEM.

Jim Forsythe

Building a wall is not the answer. We are using new technology and developing more that will be more effective than a wall. We need to look at our visa system and update it. A E-verify type system is needed to keep track of who is in the USA, from other countries.
"If they are in a detention facility, jail or prison would you be happy if they took their babies with them behind bars?
Yes, instead of releasing them to someone that may not have the best intensions for them. We have had appropriate” detention space to house families together before,and we can now.
"In FY 2006 appropriations language, however, Congress directed ICE to either “release families,” use “alternatives to detention such as the Intensive Supervised Appearance Program,” or, if necessary, use “appropriate” detention space to house families together"
Has anything changed since 06/21/17 ?
"Carla Provost, acting chief of the U.S. Border Patrol, told members of the committee there are about 200,000 minor children in the custody of sponsors in the U.S. Sponsors, she noted, are not required to be related to the child or a U.S. citizen.
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) asked if officials know how many sponsored children are being trafficked or recruited by a gang.
Scott Lloyd, from the Department of Health and Human Services office responsible for placing unaccompanied immigrant children with sponsors, said the best his staff can do is scrutinize the sponsors who come forward while they wait for immigration hearings. "
Carlos says,
"The only ones separated from their families after the deportation hearings are anchor babies BORN IN THE USA"
So The only ones that can stay with their family's, are non USA citizens. If a child is a USA citizen, they are taken from their mom and dad. That's the American way?
As I do not subscribe to the NY Times, and have not read anything about how many children at the boarders are USA citizens, I will leave it open. Do you have some other source?


Carlos Ponce

The Border Patrol says they need a wall - not the entire length but where THEY say one will work. I'm certain , Jim, you enjoy unsolicited advice from outsiders at your workplace.[rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

I was unaware that I was talking to a border patrol employee. Under this kind of thinking, you and I cannot commit on School Safety, as we are not experts on it.
The WALL is not going to built anytime soon, if ever. Other means of control of who is in the USA are more cost effective, and will do a better job. A wall will not help with overstays.

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday accused Mexico of doing “nothing” to stop illegal immigrants crossing into the United States, and repeated his election campaign pledge that Mexico would pay for his planned border wall. "
How is he going to make this happen, if he could, he would already have done so.

Jim Forsythe

Trump visited California on March 13, 2018, to survey eight towering prototypes for the wall, among other things.
He said he prefers a concrete wall because it was the hardest to climb, but also said he wants it to be see-through.
"We have a lousy wall over here now, but at least it stops 90, 95 percent," Trump said. "When we put up the real wall, we're going to stop 99 percent. Maybe more than that."

Carlos Ponce

Jim, the position of the Border Patrol agents is well publicized in media - if you look at a RELIABLE source. The National Border Patrol Council polled their agents. The result: Border Patrol agents overwhelmingly support Trump's wall in that survey. The want a WALL built in certain places where THEY know it will work. 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” 7 percent of agents disagreed with the notion that a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Drones, tech in other places.
Hector Garza, Vice President of the National Border Patrol Council, said that Congress must work with President Donald J. Trump to build the wall and protect Americans.

Jim Forsythe

“Those who have a need to get across, they’ll find a way.... Even if they have to use catapults to fling themselves over, they’ll find a way.”

Instead of spending money building a wall, and spending money to do maintenance every year , use the money to put in place a system that will not only stop the ones on the southern boarder but take care of the other problems. Visa overstays are a lot larger problem, and a wall does not address this.
If we would require E-verifying for all jobs, schools, housing, banking, visas, we could reduce the problem.
Reform the Visa program and put teeth in it, to make it were everyone wants to comply.
Reduce the number of types of Visas (about 185 different types of visas now)
Require weekly check-ins for people in the USA ,under a Visa.

Make sure employers correctly complete an I-9, This includes homeowners. Homeowner are part of the problem
Is the reason no one in DC wants to address this, is because they are making money off of immigration?
Change the way one becomes a USA citizen.
If the steps are too hard , than one does not want to address the problem.


What Counts as Hiring an Illegal Immigrant?
Under federal law, it is illegal for any employer to engage with illegal immigrants in the following .
Hiring illegal immigrants
Recruiting illegal immigrants
Referring illegal immigrants for work and receiving a fee
This also includes hiring contractors who use illegal immigrants. There are criminal and civil penalties associated with this conduct.

It is also illegal for employers to not verify work authorization. Three days after an employee is hired, employers should correctly complete an I-9. Failing to do so will subject employers to criminal and civil punishment.
Go after more under the RICO act , make it to costly not to follow the law.
"Additionally, employers should be aware of the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Employers can be sued under the act for hiring illegal immigrants, and can face large settlement deals.
The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages."


Carlos Ponce

"Even if they have to use catapults to fling themselves over, they’ll find a way.”
Really, Jim, like in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

Jim Forsythe

August 30, 2016
“What are they going to do, build a wall... that not even a helicopter could fly over?” Jose Luis, a resident in Nogales, Mexico, told CBS News through the fence. Referring to Donald Trump, he added, “He’s crazy!” Those who have a need to get across, they’ll find a way.... Even if they have to use catapults to fling themselves over, they’ll find a way, you know?”

Trump wants the wall to be transparent so no one will get hit by the bags..
Either someone is super strong , or they are going to use catapults. Like in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
July 13 2017
"And I’ll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them—they hit you in the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It's over," Trump said. "As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall.

Carlos Ponce

"U.S Special Forces Tried To Breach Trump's Border Wall–They Couldn't Do It"
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/01/20/build-the-wall-us-special-forces-tried-to-breach-border-wallthey-couldnt-do-it-n2437039
If they use catapults, they'll get killed. Put up a sign to warn passerbys of falling illegals. Only an idiot would try a catapult. And let's say one does get over - the border patrol will be there. Free trip to the morgue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ8jGqdE2iw
Catapult? STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!

Jim Forsythe

Links to human catapults. If you want to buy one go to http://www.bridgeday.info/catapult.php , The Human Catapult Project

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=humans+using+catapult.&qpvt=humans+using+catapult.&FORM=IGRE

It was like a scene from a movie, a man floating thousands of feet above the ground on a lawn chair.The British man flew over Johannesburg using a chair attached to 100 helium balloons.Tom Morgan flew 15.5 miles across South Africa last week, reaching heights of up to 8,000 feet. An adventure he had been planning for months http://www.africanews.com/2017/10/26/man-flies-over-south-africa-in-a-chair-tied-to-helium-balloons/
Many other ways to go over a wall , if one want to get over..


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Carlos Ponce

Jim, catapulting into bodies of water is not the same. Let me repeat, anyone who tries this is STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!

Jim Forsythe

If people want to do something, they will. Catapulting over a wall is not that hard ,compared to other ways of getting to the other side. .
Wearing PPE would make it safer to be catapulted..

If people can survive going over Niagara Falls, catapulting over a wall would not be as big of a challenge. PPE helps, but some do not use it.
October 22nd 2003
Kirk Jones from Canton Michigan becomes first stutter in the history of Niagara Falls to survive the plunge wearing only the clothes on his back.. He went to the Horseshoe Falls on the Canadian side of the river. Kirk entered the water about one hundred yards upstream and began swimming out into the swift current. Eight seconds later Kirk made the 175 foot (53.3m) drop and swam to shore . Kirk was treated for minor bumps and bruises at local a hospital and released
August 18th 1985 A Rhode Island bartender named Steven Trotter made the trip in a barrel wrapped in inner tubes.
Other means, chair attached to 100 helium balloons, Jet Pack, Ultralight plane., Hot air Balloon, Glider and so on.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "If people can survive going over Niagara Falls, catapulting over a wall would not be as big of a challenge."
While going over Niagara Falls is difficult, it's still WATER.

Jim Forsythe

One has a greater chance of dying going over the falls.
" While going over Niagara Falls is difficult, it's still WATER"
Rocks , bubbles, big waves, 30's (Fahrenheit), is just a few of the things that will kill you going over the falls. It's not still water.

"I can't think of any way to survive that except luck," says Malcolm Cooper, chairman of the Hawaii Masters Swimming Association. He grew up in Buffalo, N.Y., and knows Niagara well. "Basically, you're going to hit rocks."
There's so much air mixed in with the water that you can't swim in it. Everything goes black in big surf because the sunlight is blocked out by the bubbles. In Niagara Falls, that would definitely be the case," Cooper says. "When you're washed in big waves, you can't tell which way is up
"Finally, if you manage to surface, you can float even in a bruising current. But then you have to worry about the cold. Niagara's waters are in the 30's (Fahrenheit), and Cooper says that gives you about 3 minutes before you black out."

Carlos Ponce

Jim, I would not risk death for anyone. The odds of catapulting over the border and coming out of alive are slim. Don't encourage them.

George Croix

You'd think grown men and women would have paid attention in Social Studies in grade school and understand the difference bewteen LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration, and realize that we do not treat illegality of any kind the same as we do legality. To do so, is anarchy.....

George Croix

The Dallas Morning News, hardly the stuff of right wing conspiracy, ran an article in December, 2010 claiming that a low end estimate of illegal aliens attending Texas schools in 2009 - 9 years ago - was 150,000 or about 3% of the attendees, and a high of about 400,000, or about 8% - 9 years ago. Before the 'surges' of a couple or three or so years ago.
Supposedly, Texas spends about 8 to 9 grand a year per student.
So, let's use the lowest illegal 'immigration' figure with the lowest per student cost, both of which are unlikely to be less these days, and we were spending 1.2 BILLION bucks per year, years ago, educating kids not even supposed to be here. The DMN specified 'illegal' so anchor babies were, supposedly, not included. I DID NOT call them and ask.
The highest numbers, if valid, would be 3.6 Billion with the same B.
Could build a lot of on-site school security infrastructure with money being spent on non-citizens, non-legal residents.
THAT is what should not be allowed to stand....

Jim Forsythe

I'm sure that different numbers can be found.
April 7, 2017
There are 588,000 children of illegal immigrants in Texas (509,000 of them would be considered anchor babies).
79,000 would be illegal, the rest are American citizens. Not all are school age.

According to the Migration Policy Institute, Houston Chronicle and Pew Research

George Croix

I'm sure your right about the numbers as I could probably find a more conservative site than the DMn's liberal one and get a half million figure. [wink]
BUt usig your lowball figute of 79000 and the low 8 grand for each that's a minimum of 632 million bucks that should be going to citizens and legal residents.
Cpould do a lot for our own kids with that.....

George Croix

No Diet Coke yet- tyoing even worse than ususal, if that's possible....

Carlos Ponce

"Can you believe this? Have we become Nazi Germany?"
NAZI Germany had abortion too. Nancy Pelosi doesn't see the "spark of divinity" in the over 60 million babies killed through abortion since Roe v Wade. God does. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" - Jeremiah 1:5.

George Croix

Jim, old friend, if physical barriers are ineffective, why do our homes and businesses have doors? Why not just take them off and bow to the inevitable...?
A border wall doesn't have to be perfect, just effective.
It will be.
Just as doors are not perfect, but effective.

Jim Forsythe

George, our biggest source of people that is not suppose to be here, is from Visa overstays.
It's bad when no one know exactly what the numbers are as we do not keep good record, but from what I have read,Visa overstays is a large problem. The way we count people, it is just guess as we we do not know the exact numbers .
One example, if the government does not match overstay records because of data errors, a person who actually left the country would be erroneously counted as an overstayer. Similarly, if not all departure records are collected by the airlines and transmitted to DHS, erroneous reports of overstays would result. Unless DHS gets it act together, all anyone is doing is guessing.
If I remember right, you estimated the cost of the wall would be in the range of 40 Billion. To me, use this money to update our electronic protections.
The USA has many boarders, and placing a wall on one, will not stop people from coming in.
When you plug one hole another will show up . We have many boarders where someone could enter. Alaska , Candia,Mexico and also do not forget the United States has sixteen territories, five of which are permanently inhabited: Puerto Rico, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and American Samoa. Are we going to build walls around all?
"Here is a different, much less publicized form of illegal immigrant—the kind coming from Canada. Many of these individuals are not Latin American—U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) have apprehended border jumpers from Albania, The Czech Republic, Israel, and India—and the often cross the many waterways of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and New York by boat, jet ski, or by swimming. "
"Last year, in an attempt to slow the flow of illegal immigration from Canada, CBP spent $20 million on a surveillance system that monitors 34 miles of the St. Clair River bordering Michigan and Canada—a popular destination for illegal immigrants crossing from Canada".
That is why I'm in favor of making it harder for someone to overstay. If you make it hard, if not impossible to function in the USA., most will self deport.
Unless they have a Visa, they should not be here. Our Visa system must be reworked. I have outlined in above posts, what I would do, starting with using E-Verifying for all actives.
If the following is true, our biggest need is not on the southwestern border.
"Illegal immigration across the southwestern border is down a stunning 76 percent since President Trump was elected, with the flow of children and families dropping even faster as analysts say the administration’s commitment to enforcing the law has changed the reality along the border."

George Croix

Jim, I'm with you for almost the whole thing, and all for enforcing ALL of our immigration laws...and really pushing heck out of e-verify, and stiff penalties for violators....ALL violators....big and small...BUT also want a big 'ol wall on the southern border and let all the 'racist' screamers go right straight to heck.....it is not 'racist' to not want to be invaded, no matter what demographic is doing the trespassing....anybody too unfixable to understand that is nobody I give a porcine rodents rear about listening to anyway. Not another penny in foreign aid to Central America until it's paid for, too...that would be that 'cold day in heck' that the Pres. of Mexico is so adamant will be here first....
I'm pretty sure, but may be wrong, that we don't issue visas to hundreds or thousands of people showing up on the southern border and demanding to become wards of the United States. So, while I fully agree there's a great big visa problem, and that our immigration mess is NOT just a southern border issue, being a Texas citizen that perpetual wave of school system cloggers get's my attention first.
Perhaps the biggest improvement of all in the 'immigration system' would be to get rid of the outdated and terribly abused 'anchor baby' cra_ and save those funds and also seems like almost always the cost of maternity and delivery care, too....
Heartless? Well, I suppose it's a show of love to break our laws, trespass on our property, take our money and benefits, tie up educational and medical facilities and then march around waving the home country flag.

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