Recently, a new reality hit me, why are my friends and relatives paying off student loans?

They wanted better for their children, so they agreed to take on these loans for their babies, but for what? The children got their four-year degrees, but why? In todays world, a degree equals a high school diploma and it doesn’t open many more doors.

As I look upon the situation, I've come to realize that we've yet again been duped by our capitalistic rulers. They now demand a degree before our children can get their jobs, and therefore, we must pay their entrance fee. We pay, our children study, and they profit. Wow; what a system. Rip off the middle-class to continue to enrich the 1 percenters.

Vote Democrat. Vote for your best interest. Vote to help our children.

Allen Townsend

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(58) comments

Jarvis Buckley

Now I don't care who you are . That is hilarious 😂

Don Bette

Pay back a loan? Why does ANYONE do that? If it ain't free, it ain't for me, gimmee, gimmee, gimmee.

Jose' Boix

Don, agree. Just the thought of "having nothing, but getting everything."

David Schuler

A perfect comment; no need for additional embellishment.

Carlos Ponce

College is expensive. Who runs the colleges? Liberals do. So vote Democrat?

Kelly Naschke

Another delusional demb demb.

Gary Scoggin

Allen, show me the math. How much does it cost and where does the money come from. Does taxing the rich more generate enough cash to pay for this, Medicare for all, etc.

The Republicans have been absolutely irresponsible in how they’ve driven up the deficit. Either make a case that the Democrats can do better or that the deficit doesn’t matter. Please use numbers and not platitudes.

Make your case and I’ll consider it.

Emile Pope

Actually the Democrats did better...and the Republicans are the ones that say deficits don't matter...

Gary Scoggin

Arguable so, but with all the free stuff that's being bantered about I don't see how that could be the case going forward.

George Croix

[thumbup]
Anyway, why worry about money....what does any of it matter. ALL of the top ranked Democrat candidates, even the newest character just entering, for the 2020 presidential election claim that the Earth is doomed in a short time, some say 12 years or less, unless we wreck America addressing 'climate change'.

Must be true.....it's why we're all underwater after the polar ice caps finished melting 3 years ago, right on target for Gore's 2006 prediction they would be gone in 10 years.......
Thank goodness we have visionaries like these to guide us.....[rolleyes]

George Croix

I get it.
It doesn't matter that you doubled your debt in actual fact, and now can never ever hope to pay it off.
All that matters is you have less spreadsheet money coming in to pay for the now doubled debt, which you still can never ever pay off.

Gotta love that....
There's a sign for that.
Here it is...right here...here's your sign.................[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Gary Scoggin

Doubling the debt matters because we must continue to pay interest on it. As debt increases so does the amount of the budget that must be reserved for debt service. And this evergrowing amount limits our ability to spend money on other things or even not spend money at all.

Gary Miller

Gary. Again you demonstrate you have paid attention. Tax payers don't pay back national debt, investors do. Taxpayers must pay to service the national debt. As the National debt grows debt service takes more and more of the annual budget.

Emile Pope

Wrong. Investors receive interest on the debt. The taxpayers pay for the debt...

George Croix

Not what I meant by 'it doesn't matter'.....
I meant we're all 'climate doomed' anyway in a decade or so unless we kill ourselves first by tossing out all fossil based products....[beam][beam]
Of COURSE doubling a debt matters financially, just as it does at our homes...the only place it didn't matter was when buying 'shovels'.....
NOW, what's the point in worrying about our debt OR our compounding interest on it or the deficit or any of that.....that Snowball in heck has a LOT better chance of getting out whole than we do of ever paying off our debt. And if the lefties get the socialism they want, we'll get to the end even faster......

Pretending otherwise is a boost for morale, but for reality, not so much.....
There are consequences to a LOT of the things done on credit for the last several decades, especially when we have killed off MILLIONS of taxpayers to be who could have put some scratch into the payments.......
Ain't America great!! We can cause the same problems we later B about, and pretend it's all That Other Guy's fault.............

George Croix

ps:
Government budget??
I think I heard of that sometime ago......
You mean that thing often talked about but rarely seen...especially when leading from a behind....??..[beam][beam][beam]
Put anything you want in 'the budget'...NOBODY follows it, even if there is one presented....it's all slight of hand and a shell game, playing for the MSM and the bases. Essentially, the USA is no longer run by elected representatives at any level so much as by unelected career bureaucrats at all points..........

George Croix

"Do it for the children".

Well, played.............

Jim Forsythe

Most do not expects the debt to go down, but Trump keeps saying it will under his watch.Instead of saying why the debt will increase, he keep saying he will eliminate it all, which will not happen. He will be lucky to eliminate the amount it has increased under him.
If Trump wants to eliminate the debt in 8 years he needs to get started.
He has increased the debt,not decreased it so far.Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects
the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term.
So far it has increased to $22,126,000,000,000 from $19.9 trillion .
March 12, 2019
"Trump vowed to eliminate the debt
in 8 years. He's on track to leave it at least 50 percent higher."
National Debt Since Trump Took Office
At first, it seemed Trump was lowering the debt. It fell $102 billion
in the first six months after Trump took office. On January 20th, the day Trump
was inaugurated, the debt was $19.9 trillion. On July 30, it was $19.8 trillion.
But it was not because of anything he did. Instead, it was because of the federal debt ceiling.
On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019
It was $22 trillion. In just two years, Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.
Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.


Gary Scoggin

Jim.. I'll give you the advice I gave George and he then gave back to me. Don't confuse people with facts. Many on this forum can't handle them.

George Croix

So, then, he's right there with the other 44 Presidents before him....[beam][beam]
Real time debt, not the 5 or 10 year projected debt, where you can claim to have accomplished something that won't even happen for years.
Trump's not going to cut the debt, and the reason is right there on the Hill.
Heck, I'd be happy if he could just find and recover the 800 Billion 'shovels' that are still missing, having gone......????.......somewhere.......
Doesn't matter anyway, we're all doomed in a little over a decade.............unless we ban fossil fuels and get rid of all vehicles, conveyances, and devices that use them, in which case it won't take but about 3 months after that happens......
[ohmy][sad][ban]

[wink]

Emile Pope

But he does want to cut Medicare and Medicaid...although he said that he wouldn't...

Jarvis Buckley

Grab your skate boards-- here comes
Beto.

Mike Meador

demoncratesbeto

Emile Pope

donald said that he wouldn’t touch Social Security, Medicaid, or Medicare. His new budget proposes massive cuts to all three. Have the trump supporters realized that they’ve been played for fools yet?

Paul Hyatt

Were you Obama supporters ever able to figure out that you were played for fools for 8 plus years? He started of lying and continued to lie every time he opened his mount as he broke many many laws of the land....

Gary Scoggin

Obama raised lying to an art form and Trump has perfected it.

George Croix

But with a vibrant economy and no more foreign bit_ kissing as mitigating factors....versus the former leading from the behind
[beam][beam][beam]

Carlos Ponce

Fact Check: emile pope WRONG as usual.
Here's the proposed budget:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/budget-fy2020.pdf
Check out page 113 of PDF.
Social Security 2018 is 982 billion and will rise yearly to 1.835 trillion by 2029
That's an INCREASE, emile.
Medicaid in 2018= 389 billion and will rise yearly to 703 billion in 2029.
That's an INCREASE, emile.
Medicare is 582 billion in 2018 and will rise yearly to 1.361 trillion in 2029.
That's an INCREASE, emile.
"His new budget proposes massive cuts to all three." FALSE.
The FACTS do not agree with emile.

Emile Pope

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/12/18260271/trump-medicaid-social-security-medicare-budget-cuts

Carlos Ponce

emile, I provide the ACTUAL budget with the ACTUAL proposed numbers and you provide a Leftist Liberal rag of a web site. HA! HA! HA! Thanks for the LAUGH!
If you know ANYTHING about math you will recognize the Budget Proposals are INCREASES not cuts. Tara Golshan (author) must be very poor in math. How about you?
Hint: Don't rely on Vox for any facts unless they back them with reliable information. Vox isn't very credible.

Emile Pope

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/12/18260271/trump-medicaid-social-security-medicare-budget-cuts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-proposes-big-cuts-to-health-programs-for-poor-elderly-and-disabled/2019/03/11/55e42a56-440c-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.064edaf859e3

Carlos Ponce

Washington Post?????? Are you joking, emile? If you're relying on these FAKE NEWS sources no wonder you're so messed up. But keep it up. It shows how screwed up the Left is. The ACTUAL numbers on the ACTUAL proposed budget show they are LYING!
To paraphrase emile:
Have the Leftist supporters realized that they’ve been played for fools yet?
Looks like you're still being fooled.

Carlos Ponce

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”― Ronald Reagan

Gary Miller

Emile. Same old Liberal math? Reducing the increase is a cut? A 5 % increase instead of a 10% increase is a 5% increase, not a cut.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, regarding your comment on FAKE news, what are the “real” news sources you recommend we rely upon for this type of information?

Gary Scoggin

Gary, this is not exclusively “liberal” math. When Conservatives reduce the rate of growth in a government program, they claim it as a cut as well. Both sides play this game.

George Croix

[thumbup]

That same type 'method' is used by politicians to claim to have 'left a surplus' when it was actually just PROJECTD (meaning, largely guessed at....) numbers on a spreadsheet that never materialized at the end of the 'projected' time period....
They all do it....they depend on the voting suckers to believe that one, as a general rule, is a lot different from another............[unsure]

George Croix

What MMS all three desperately need to help keep them solvent is to add another million or more poor dependent people to the country's population each year, and have some states count them the same as citizens when it comes to some benefits, and then ultimately the goal of the 'good and kind' people is to give amnesty to every last one of them, and thus put them in line for the full slate slate of federal level benefits, too.....
The good and kind people might want to start thinking about being good and kind to their own fellow citizens first, lest they poke holes in their own liferaft....
It helps a lot for the same folks to sanction killing our own citizens to be by 'choice'...

Paula Flinn

There is more to the story than that, Carlos. The budget makers are counting on cracking down on fraud to pay for the cuts, which probably won’t happen. The budget makers realize the costs will be much more than what is budgeted, and the people relying on Medicaid, Medicare, and Socisl Security will have to settle for cuts in those areas where there are not enough funds.
With an increasing elderly, disabled, and poor population, there will be cuts. The cuts are in the increases that are expected or projected in 9 or 10 years.
Plus, the GOP is looking into the states taking over healthcare. They might disband Medicare altogether. Scary thought!

Paula Flinn

Medicaid, not Medicare. Sorry!

Carlos Ponce

Paula there are NO CUTS! Check the web site I provided. Each year the budget increases for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
NO CUTS!

George Croix

Wasting your time, Carlos.
Never mind facts, just perception matters...or talking points....
Have you noticed the Democrat mouthpieces are on TV bemoaning the 'fact' that because of Trump and the Tax Reform, 'people are not getting a tax refund this year'....
When, or usually IF, challenged, and told, NO, that taxpayers got a CUT in their federal taxes if they paid taxes at all, they just weren't engaged enough to manage their own W4 deductions, or are counting special deductions no longer available that nobody else benefited from anyway, the mouthpieces simply REPEAT the exact same prevarication....dead eye straight at the camera lying through their teeth....they sure benefit from the base they've built over decades...
How can you fix people who believe that deceptive crap?
Anybody?
Anybody?

George Croix

Definition of unsustainable
: not capable of being prolonged or continued : not sustainable

We're 'choosing' to kill millions of what would have been taxpaying citizens who would have been contributing to the sustainability of the top social programs. And importing millions of dependency class people by virtue of fighting tooth and nail to let hem enter at will.
Yet many of the same advocates of those two practices P&M about making some effort to prolong the Big Three.

Definition of unfixable
: see above

Jarvis Buckley

Beto- welcome all- tear the wall down- bring on the drugs & sex trade. They will all vote democrat.
Beto will probably be flooded with
Mexican drug cartel campaign funding. Keep your eyes open👀

Gary Miller

Jarvis. Drug cartel money would be illegal. Exactly what Democrats want. Harder to trace.

George Croix

This article is certainly timely, as Nancy is evidently doing her best to 'save the children (Well played.....[beam][beam]) by advocating giving the Vote to 16 year olds!
Yeah...that'll make things a LOT better....

Might do better to RAISE the age to 36, where at least some of the voters may be able to explain what 'Congress' is, and might actually be voting with some skin, their own, in the game........
IMO, as always

Lisa Lohmann

Here’s a thought, how about you pay your own bills? It took me years to get my degree working and going to school at the same time. It seems like voting Democrat is like a vote against personal responsibility.

Carlos Ponce

Good idea Lisa. In addition there are scholarships available. Ask any high school counselor - every year there are millions in scholarships that go untouched. Some sit there with no one applying. Then there are scholarships based on merit gong to our better students. At an awards assembly I heard of one student receiving hundreds of thousands in scholarships.
I went to college in the last century on a Moody Scholarship but I also worked summers at a Texas City lumber yard and tutored for the Math Department at SHSU during the school year.

Robert Braeking

Tutoring Math at teacher's colleges seems to be a theme. I did so at Mary Hardin-Baylor. While working in a box shop and stacking cans in the grocery store at night. College has gotten expensive because of government backed student loans. No loans - less money - cheaper tuition. Simple economics.......which I also tutored.

Paula Flinn

$80,000 for 4 years at a state university is a lot of money to pay for some. Student loans will take the rest of your working life to pay off for some.

Carlos Ponce

Paula, check with the counselors at Ball High. Ask how many scholarships are available and compare that to the number who actually apply.

Paula Flinn

They are applying by the dozens now, Carlos. Juniors and Seniors intending on going to college are very aware. We also have Universal Access at Galveston College, which offers 2 years free and scholarships after that.
We have a special person with a room in the library, who knows every scholarship available to students. I have worked with some local scholarships in the past. Moody scholarships are for $1,000. Many top students get one. Every scholarship helps.

Jose' Boix

Regardless the debate of party politics, the 2 points of contention - that need some factual proof - in my view are:

1. "...a degree equals a high school diploma and it doesn’t open many more doors."; and,

2. "They now demand a degree before our children can get their jobs,..."

Just adding my 2 cents...

George Croix

Jose', to your point numbers:
1) I'd say that is demonstrably not so...as a LOT of places won't even open their doors unless an applicant is degreed. It's certainly true that it doesn't help a lot at whatever jobs a degree is not required. That said, I think requiring a degree now for a lot of those supposedly superior skills jobs is another example of 'zero tolerance' misplaced...it saves recruiters a lot of trouble having to actually assess capabilities, and removes any hope of 'going with your gut', a valuable innate ability some have to just KNOW what to do, what decision to make.....
A certificate on the wall is not a slam dunk substitute for experience on the ground. A LOT of misery occurred where I worked because of too many noses in the air and not enough eyes and ears wide open listening to people who knew more than theory....and cared more about their coworkers than boosting their career.....
2) Not always, and I sense a turn in the direction of the reemergence of good old fashioned trade schools. When your toilet backs up, do you call a plumber, or a liberal arts major.....the bucks are there for skilled workers, too.
Some of us ended up making quite a bit, actually, a lot more money over the course of our careers than our buddies from high school who went on to higher education. All depended on a) the person involved and b) the opportunities involved.
Sometimes, when life kicks you back early, you end up farther forward later.
Sounds like a subject for one of Leonard's very good life experience articles....[wink]

Gary Scoggin

The requirement for a degree is not becoming more industry dependent. Ironically, many tech companies no longer require degrees for many jobs. They do require a high level of expertise, however. (Remember, Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard but he was crazy smart.)

I agree the re-emergence of trade and technical education is a wonderful thing. The TCISD Industrial Trade Center and the Vocational Programs at COM are two local examples of doing this right.

Gary Scoggin

NOW becoming more industy dependent. Oops.

George Croix

[thumbup]

George Croix

DON'T discount Beto.
He may have only 'brought vitality', per Nancy, in his job as Representative and nothing else anyone can name, but that's only slightly less an accomplishment than voting 'present' 90% of the time, plus as far as we know, Beto didn't have a crazy racist America hating preacher mentor him for 20 years and officiate at his wedding.
And people LOVED that guy, even though his political kick starter was a guy who bombed Police stations and regretted not doing more of it. Compared to that, really weird death wishes to others is tame.......[wink]...
AND he's several times better than the self-declared entitled woman who's main accomplishment was building a potty server to practice her espionage in relative secret, for a while, and observing the bottom of a bus...twice...and 'passing the baton' (her own words when asked to name her Sec. of State accomplishments).....so Beto just staying upright on his skateboard beats that.............[smile]
Plus, we elected Donald Trump, who even he thought would lose, and that election came despite the best efforts of the DNC and the Hillary campaign in REAL 'collusion' with a Ukranian ex-spy, the FBI senior leadership, and the DoJ top dogs including the AG, and the President himself, and a sitting US Senator and his aids and a phony dossier and a lied-to FISA Court Judge and imbedded spies in the Trump campaign to prevent it............all that negative, and he's still President.
Beto could then no doubt benefit from all the support he'll get from the folks who don't know why other than he talks a game they like, or he's 'cute', even if he never says HOW any of it might come to be. At that level of political savvy from a base of support, he's ahead from the get go.... [beam]
PLUS anybody...anybody....beats Kamala and Corey and the 1024th Indian and the Old Coot Rich Guy hating on people like himself and, even though all of them are crazy enough to get led around by the nose by that bartender from New York...at least Beto didn't show his A on national TV by trying to railroad a SCOTUS nominee....he just did it privately in local news.....[beam][beam][beam][beam]

Run, Beto! Run!.....run far............

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