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Carlos Ponce

The data is being shown in courts and non-Liberal news outlets. Haven't seen any? Well you need to look at some other news outlet.

Carlos Ponce

Make that:

The valid data is being shown in courts and non-Liberal news outlets. Haven't seen any? Well you need to look at some other news outlet.

Jeff Patterson

Uh, actually the suits are being dismissed pretty quickly one after the other because it’s one thing to go on a “non-Liberal news outlet” and wave a bunch of papers and cry fraud, but it’s a whole other thing for a lawyer to present evidence in a court of law to a judge. They tend to be pretty fussy when you present BS to them, plus the lawyer is putting their professional reputation on the line, as well as potentially, their future livelihood. The other issue is that the remedy that the court can offer has to be commensurate with the breath of the evidence submitted, ie if the issue only affects a few ballots, the court can’t invalidate the entire state’s election result. It’s really been a comically inept and amateurish effort.

Carlos Ponce

The lawsuits were dismissed by STATE judges by Democrat Party judges who were elected in Blue states. That's only the first step. They knew that would probably happen. It was expected. Next level: Federal non elected judges.

Jeff Patterson

Yea Carlos, that’s what’s going to happen next....it’s all part of a master plan. smh

Carlos Ponce

Wait until it reaches the Supreme Court. I know how Alito will vote.[beam]

Jeff Patterson

Yeah, so much for impartial Supreme Court justices… that was pretty disgraceful. And I’m sure you know this too, but you just don’t get to take cases directly to the Supreme Court; there has to be some “there” there. The current “throw it all up against the wall and see what sticks“ approach being used is not going to get you there.

Carlos Ponce

The justices appointed by Trump are originalist and textualist. They will approach teach case according to the LETTER OF THE LAW and the US CONSTITUTION.

Gary Miller

Cases rejected in courts run by Democrat judges are not dead. Apeals may move them along until they reach SCOTUS. That is when they prove value.

Jeff Patterson

Gary, I know you have to realize that you just don't get to "take" a case to the Supreme Court; lots of hurdles to go through, plus you actually have to have a legitimate issue, which none of the cases raised so far seem to have.. Nine more got denied/dropped on Friday. Also multiple law firms dropping out because their professional reputations are more important than supporting a purely politically-driven effort. I don't even think Trump believes he's going to succeed with any of this; its all about allowing him to save some face about losing, no matter how much damage he does to the country. Pretty pathetic actually. And I'm sure he doesn't care as it has always been all about him.

Gary Scoggin

What news outlets do you recommend?

Carlos Ponce

Not the one you're currently using. If you see, read or hear something check it out. It could be a DNC talking point disguised as "news". Problem is there is so much they omit.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, instead of saying he does not have a recommendation, he tells you just believe what I say.

Instead of saying that he uses a source like One America News Network, he does not say, because of ?

Carlos Ponce

Jim Forsythe, I have NEVER used "One America News Network". It's not on my cable. So you're WRONG.

David Hardee

The best news service is between your ears. If you can't judge the effects in your personal life, and local area as the result of the (local and federal) public servant's acts on the society in general and need the rhetoric of some pundit vote is pollution and part of the fraud. The rhetoric of the newbie candidate is difficult but the professional has positions and records that are easily found and judged. The biggest fraud is the weakness of most voters to be sheep or emotional driven. And those sheep and emotional voters produce the tears and manure that keeps our society in a trend toward self-destruction. 18 year old are, in general, influenced sheep voters. Tribal voters have shepherds they cleave to for and are sheep. If your convinced that the voting especially i this 2020 presidential election is not a product of the FRAUD from Media, Social internet discrimination, and the actual vote manipulation on the Mass Mailed ballots (grouping, selling, harvesting, and even stealing) your exactly where THEY Democrat's wanted you to be. Fraud has many forms and this time they were all in action.

Trump, the maverick, harmed no citizen or group of citizens. Trump harmed the (both private and political)institutions that were festering with swamp creatures. These swamp creatures knew they were in jeopardy and executed a very effective strategy to perpetuate a FRAUDULENT election RESULT!

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Gary Miller

Gary S.>news max and Town Hall. They deal in facts not liberal spin.

Gary Scoggin

And how would I differentiate their “facts” from MAGA spin? Are the only correct sources the ones that tell you what you want to hear? (Note I said “MAGA” and not “conservative “ as their is little about MAGA that is actually conservative.)

Jeff Patterson

Wow, I spit my coffee out on that one............yep, those are certainly credible news sources (cue eye roll). Just went on Townhall website - is this one of "facts" that you are alluding to? Sounds perfectly credible and fact based to me (cue more eye rolling)

"Unless the Supreme Court intervenes to halt what may be the most significant political heist in American history, Democrats are on their way to placing America under the thumb of a communistic regime run by an empty-headed Commander-in-Thief installed as its figurehead"

Carlos Ponce

I'd like to see what Jeff considers credible.[rolleyes][rolleyes][rolleyes][rolleyes]

Jeff Patterson

Carlos, all I can do is try to explain it to you; I can’t understand it for you

Jeff Patterson

So in addition to the Trump campaign’s lawsuits being tossed out of court right and left, the administration itself has said that it has seen no indication that the results are not valid, in fact, they have said just the opposite

“Sixteen federal prosecutors tapped by leadership at the Justice Department to monitor voting in last week's presidential election have sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr making clear that they have seen no evidence to substantiate claims that voting tallies have been marred by widespread fraud or other ballot issues”

“DHS said the 2020 presidential election was the most secure in American history”

Carlos Ponce

Be patient Jeff. No state's results have been certified.

Carlos Ponce

“DHS said the 2020 presidential election was the most secure in American history” True but in relation to CYBERSECURITY from hacking. That's not in question here.

Jim Forsythe

The answer to the question is Biden will be President, and Trump will hit the road, January20.

Carlos Ponce

Another fantasy.

Wayne D Holt

This is in response to Mr. Moncur, not Carlos, but it is late breaking news for those who may wonder why the president hasn't conceded yet.

"Former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell, a Trump campaign lawyer, suggested in a Sunday interview that there is still more evidence coming out in President Donald Trump’s claims of voter fraud and irregularities.

“We’re getting ready to overturn election results in multiple states,” Powell said, saying that she has enough evidence of election fraud to launch a widespread criminal investigation.

“I don’t make comments without having the evidence to back it up,” she added, saying that elections software switched “millions of votes” from Trump to Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

Powell said a whistleblower came forward and said the elections software was designed to “rig elections,” saying that “he saw it happen in other countries,” referring to voting systems Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic, or perhaps other software and machines.

“We have so much evidence, I feel like it’s coming in through a fire hose,” Powell said, while noting that she won’t reveal the evidence that she has.

“They can stick a thumb drive in the [voting] machine, they can upload software to it even from the Internet … from Germany or Venezuela even,” she said, adding that operations “can watch votes in real-time” and “can shift votes in real-time,” or alleged bad actors can “remote access anything.”

“We’ve identified mathematically the exact algorithm they’ve used—and planned to use from the beginning” that allegedly switched votes to Biden, Powell remarked.

Powell also made reference to a 2019 investigation from Sens. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), as well as other Democratic lawmakers into Dominion Voting Systems, Election Systems & Software, and Hart InterCivic. The senators had expressed concerns about the security of the voting systems.

So, it's not over until the trim, and very smart, lady sings. She sounds like she is just warming up. We'll see...

Carlos Ponce

How to determine if you have a legitimate news source or a Liberal Lackey news source:

If you see or hear the words "Dominion Voting Systems" and "Smartmatic" in the upcoming weeks your news source is legit. If these words are NEVER or RARELY used, you don't.

It's that simple.

Gary Scoggin

Wayne, the Dominion stuff and just about everything else Sidney Powell has said has been discredited.

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/explaining-the-conspiracy-theories?r=3j5be&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

Jeff Patterson

The sad part is that no matter how many times these conspiracy theories get discredited, there are folks who are so heavily invested in all the bs that they just can’t let it go. It is refreshing to see more and more members of the GOP acknowledging reality, albeit grudgingly, and the non-political experts in the administration continue to try to bring the voice of reason to all of this. I doubt Trump will ever publicly acknowledge that he lost, but it’s way past time to start ignoring the background noise and get on with governing the country.

“On Saturday, Chris Krebs, the director of the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, urged Americans to stop spreading baseless claims that minor vote counting issues indicated fraud. “Seeing #disinfo that some isolated voting day issues are tied to some nefarious election hacking and vote manipulation operation,” Krebs posted on Twitter. “Don’t fall for it and think twice before sharing!””

https://apnews.com/article/43bdaa186e3b8d9d897cae3bd0c6cdc0Q

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, "factcheck.com" has been discredited:

"Both of the nation’s most prominent fact-checking organizations—FactCheck.org and PolitiFact—tilt to the political left, which makes them representative of the majority of journalists who also lean to port. Both of these groups go far beyond what they say they do, claiming to fact-check subjective things like political rhetoric that are not susceptible to fact-checking."

https://capitalresearch.org/article/dishonest-fact-checkers/

I have found that it depends on the author of each article as to whether the "fact check" is credible or not. In the article(s) you link, their research is slipshod and biased, not reliable at all. Fact check the fact checkers, Gary Scoggin.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, The fact check I submitted was from the Dispatch, which is run by Conservatives, not factcheck.org. Admittedly, the Dispatch is generally Conservatives which are not Trump fans (folks like David French, Steve Hayes and Jonah Goldberg), in other words, people who have a political philosophy and don’t join a personality cult like MAGA.

Carlos Ponce

The specific articles you reference comes from Ken Dent of the Dispatch. The Dispatch claims they are Conservative. They are not. They use that claim to lure real Conservatives into their Liberal content. Ken Dent's co-author is Khaya Himmelman who also writes for "The Rolling Stone". Both authors of the so called "fact check" are pro Biden, anti-Trump. Not Conservative at all.

Carlos Ponce

Jeff Patterson writes "The sad part is that no matter how many times these conspiracy theories get discredited...." You should consider the source of who is discrediting. Let the courts, the law, the Constitution decide, not the media, especially the Leftist media. Check the "fact checkers", Jeff. You will find you are being duped.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, if you think The Dispatch is not conservative, you need to get out more. There are few in the country with more conservative credentials than the writers I mentioned. But, you are fact-resistant, I get that, so I’ll leave you to you and your secret source.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, By their works ye shall know them. They're not Conservative, neither are you.

Gary Scoggin

Yes, dear.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, Carlos is going to run out of conservative source if he thinks the Dispatch is not conservative. Why is he going to run out of sources, because more and more sources say Trump lost.

We have history repeating.

Edmund J. Davis, Governor of Texas. When Davis lost , he declared the entire election invalid. The Texas Supreme Court agreed, but Democrats declared that, actually, the court was invalid.

Davis then begged President Ulysses S. Grant, a fellow Republican, to send in federal troops. On Jan. 17 came Grant’s reply: no federal troops, and “Would it not be prudent, as well as right, to yield to the verdict of the people as expressed by their ballots?”

Trump will be gone from the White House, January 20,2021 at high noon. Just as with Edmund J. Davis, the Troops will be locked and loaded if Trump refuses to leave.

Carlos Ponce

So we have Liberals trying to define who is Conservative???? What a LAUGH!

Jim Forsythe

Carlos it makes no difference what news source is Conservative, as Trump will be gone from the White House, January 20,2021 at high noon.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos -- why not? You faux-conservatives always seem to define who is a liberal. Of course you define it as anyone that doesn't totally agree with you. And you have bent your conservatism to conform to the MAGA-in-chief. So how are we to know what you think conservatism is? Is it fiscal responsibility? No. Is it free trade? No. Is it respect for the Constitution? No. Is it freedom of expression? No. Is it restrained Federal power? No. Is it a respect for science? No.

Is it whatever is convenient for the current (and soon to be former) President? Yes.

Carlos Ponce

I'll remind you of that post, Jim!

Jim Forsythe

You mean, Trump will be gone from the White House, January 20,2021 at high noon.

Or, Trump will leave the White House or be forced out by troops.

Or, if congress does not says Biden won, Nancy will be President January 20,2021?

Maybe this one, Biden won, when he receive a record of votes.

Or is it, excuses are for losers!

The next tactic is being played out. Giuliani is raving about a secret communist computer program to control the U.S. government. And he has been deputized to make this claim on behalf of the man who is, for the next two months, the president of the United States.

Carlos Ponce

Trump will take his second oath of office as the re-elected President of the United States.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggins, my definition of Conservatism is following the laws and Constitution of the United States as intended and written.

Jim Forsythe

Trump will take his second oath of office as the re-elected President of the United States. Which will not be in 2021.

Jim Forsythe

, "my definition of Conservatism is following the laws and Constitution of the United States as intended and written." which says that when you do not carry the Electoral College, you lose.

Carlos Ponce

Very true, Jim. But since none of the states have certified their votes, the score is still tied at 0 - 0.

Jim Forsythe

Most states have already counted the votes. The Electoral College voters must go by the outcome of the vote in that state. ‘Faithless Electors’ will not save Trump!

The Supreme Court of the United States handed down an opinion in the “Faithless Elector” case, which will maintain status quo on all things electoral college for the foreseeable future. Holding that the Electors’ “constitutional claim has neither text nor history on its side,” the Court ruled unanimously that states have the right to effectively force members of the electoral college to vote for the popular-vote winner.

Trump has lost and Biden will be President January 20, 2021 at High Noon.

Carlos Ponce

Not one state has certified their vote count nor their Electors.

Jim Forsythe

Trump has lost and Biden will be President January 20, 2021 at High Noon.

Carlos Ponce

Patience, Jim. You may be eating those words.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, just how will Trump change enough states EC votes not to lose.

You have a day to send your money into Trump for the recount in Pennsylvania, after Wednesday a recount will not happen, as Wednesday is the dead line to ask for a recount. Trump will have to come up with about 10 Million dollars to make it happen.

Georgia is on a "good schedule right now" to finish an audit of the presidential election by Wednesday and thus certify its results by Friday, a top state voting official says, and the vast majority of counties are reporting results that are "spot dead on" to the initial tallies or finding only minor discrepancies.

Carlos, Trump has lost.

Gary Scoggin

Don't forget the thousand he'll owe Bailey's charity.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos: "Gary Scoggins,[SIC] my definition of Conservatism is following the laws and Constitution of the United States as intended and written."

Does that include the emoullements clause?

Carlos Ponce

Wait and see. No more spoilers for you!

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, don't forget about the thousand the students of Hitchcock Schools will get.

Jeff Patterson

Oh boy, the Kraken is coming...LOL

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin asks, "Does that include the emoullements clause?"

No, it does not. The Constitution includes the " emoluments " clause.

Bailey Jones

Here's my first prediction. Trump & co will not be able to provide evidence of massive voter fraud. Because there was none. He may be able to uncover some shenanigans, as there always are in human events, and bully for him for trying. But there is simply is no evidence of fraud on the scale that would affect the massive lead that Biden has, and the courts will say so.

Here's my next prediction. Rather than exhibiting grace, and decorum, and maturity, Trump & co will continue to claim fraud and theft forever, even after they lose their court cases. They will blame the media, and the courts, and poll workers, and the Democrats, and "big tech", and the "deep state," and the increasingly large numbers of Republicans like Karl Rove, who are saying the exact same thing that I am, and Trump will reinvent himself as the most aggrieved victim in the whole history of victimhood.

Here's my last prediction. Trump's victimhood, his crucifixion at the hands of the Democrats, and his political resurrection and return as King of Kings in 2024 will become the fodder of amusing letters to the editor by defenders of this new Great Lost Cause forever and ever, amen.

Carlos Ponce

Here's my prediction: Bailey Jones will be proven wrong.

Bailey Jones

Bookmark this page and call me out if I'm wrong.

Carlos Ponce

We'll call you whatever you want. So it's "out" Jones, right? Any kin to "out" House"?

Bailey Jones

That $1000 is going to buy a lot of dog food.

Carlos Ponce

The $1000 is going to help a child learn, Bailey.

Mike Zeller

Bailey, I predict your three predictions are right on the money. [thumbup]

Carlos Ponce

None of Bailey's prediction are "right". They are clearly "Left".

Jim Forsythe

Bailey, you are right except you forgot that Trump will stepdown, so Pence can pardon him.

Jeff Patterson

Bailey, your predictions are spot on

Wayne D Holt

Wait...Bailey...my computer must be on the fritz. My screen appears to be showing you referring to Karl Rove in approving terms. Do you have the number for The Geek Squad handy?

David Smith

CNN Gary..per usual

Jim Forsythe

Biden is doing what a real President does, he is getting it done and let Trump flame out.

Biden is working to be ready January 20, 2021, to hit the ground running.

Most Presidents work with the incoming President to make sure they are prepared for the task ahead but it is not happening this time.

Biden is getting his staff on board, deciding what executive orders need to be issued and how to handle Covid 19.

Many Senators are working to get Biden access the President's Daily Briefings.

Senate Republicans have also voiced support for Biden to receive the briefings, a rare break from Trump and a sign that the party could be inching closer to publicly accepting Biden's victory even as Trump refuses to concede.

"Further delaying the Biden team's ability to access the President's Daily Brief and other national security information and resources compromises the continuity and readiness of our national leadership, with potentially immense consequences for our national security,"

"This needs to occur so that regardless of the outcome of the election, whichever way that it goes, people can be ready for that actual task," Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., a member of the Homeland Security Committee, said Wednesday in an interview on KRMG radio of Tulsa. "If that's not occurring by Friday, I will step in."

If Trump is thinking of running in 2024, his handling of this election, will not help him to get elected.

Ted Gillis

Both Mark Meadows and Hope Hicks (White House employees) called Fox News on election night to get them to reverse their call for a Biden win in Arizona.

I think this should be investigated and charges filed for federal election tampering and election fraud.

That is, if Bill Barr had a spine.

Carlos Ponce

They called a cable network, Ted, NOT the state of Arizona. There is still Freedom of Speech, remember.

Mike Zeller

Joe Biden now has 306 Electoral votes, since Arizona and Georgia have been called. Trump views Joe Bidens' win as a "LANDSLIDE".

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306," "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history", said Trump after his 2016 win. [beam]

Carlos Ponce

Those results have not been certified, Mike.

Mike Zeller

They weren't certified when Trump made his claim.

MASSIVE LANDSLIDE WIN FOR PRESIDENT ELECT JOE BIDEN

Carlos Ponce

"They weren't certified when Trump made his claim." Yes, but they eventually were.

Mike Zeller

Ditto!

Ted Gillis

It would be okay if it was Bill Sepien from the Trump campaign or one of Trump family kids calling the network but not an employee of the White House. That is a big difference.

Carlos Ponce

Not really, Ted.

Carlos Ponce

Ted, can you name a legitimate source (not fake news WAPO) ?

domenico nuckols

Score President elect 306 out gong Trump 232 Do the math

Carlos Ponce

domenico, when the real numbers are revealed......

Jim Forsythe

"when the real numbers are revealed", Trump will still be citizen Trump, after January 20

Even after all the dust is cleared Carlos and Trump will claim that Trump won and the election was stolen from Trump.

Trumps lawyer's are failing to prove that Trump was wronged and some of the lawyers quitting because they do not want to be on a sinking ship.

The Supreme Court does not want to be part of this, and will stay out of it unless they are forced too.

Carlos please outline how Trump is going to change the vote in enough states to allow him to remain as president after January 20?

Grasping at straws will not change the outcome.

They are checking the moving vans to make sure that they will be in top shape for January 20 ,so Trump can be moved out and not stuck in the driveway.

Jeff Patterson

The really sad part of all of this is that the country is getting dragged thru h*ll all because of the ego of one man who is psychologically incapable of admitting that he lost.........SAD!

Gary Scoggin

Just checking, you're not talking about Carlos, are you?

Jeff Patterson

:-)

Mike Zeller

[beam]

Carlos Ponce

No, the sad part will be when the country realizes they've been duped into believing the reported vote counts.

Carlos Ponce

Wait, Jim.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, I'm waiting for noon on Jan. 20, when Biden will be sworn.

Mike Zeller

Wait, wait and see, two of your favorite go to sayings when you run out of ammo. The Durham Report, Hillarys' emails, Comey and Brennan going to jail..... The only thing we're waiting for is Jan. 20, then YOU'LL SEE, President Joe Biden.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, be patient.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, I'm waiting for noon on Jan. 20, when Biden will be sworn.

Carlos Ponce

Wait all you want.

Jim Forsythe

Trump has lost and Biden will be President January 20, 2021 at High Noon.

Carlos Ponce

Patience, Jim. You may be eating those words.

Ted Gillis

That’s right Jim, Rudy’s on it. So expect results soon.

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