Democrats won two years of isolation in the House. A $2 billion blunder. Weaker now than before the election.

They won the right to not get any laws signed by Trump or approved by the Senate. They can’t override a veto or stop Trump appointments. They can impeach anyone they want — but can’t convict or force the Senate to vote on an impeachment.

If they pass something Trump wants he’ll sign it; otherwise it will just die for lack of support.

The lame duck House has 75 days to pass funding for the border wall or a 10 percent middle-income tax cut Republicans wanted.

Gary Miller

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Jim Forsythe

If both parties do not try and get along, we all lose. The Democrats may be weaker in the Senate, but control the House. Before they could not stop bills, but now they can, by not passing the bill. It up to the House and the Senate as to how they want to use the power each have.

Some powers of the House.
Bills must pass both the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate.
U.S. House of Representatives have the power to initiate bills to collect tax money and other revenue.
The twelfth amendment to the U.S. Constitution gives the House of Representatives the duty to decide a presidential election when the electoral college vote results in a tie. In this case, the U.S. House votes by state with the representatives from each state only having one vote.

Mike Zeller

I woke up, the day after the election, to a beautiful day. I put on my favorite BLUE shirt and BLUE jeans. I went outside and there was a bright BLUE sky, with just a touch of red on the horizon. Playing on the radio was my favorite song, BLUE Bayou. The rest of the day was spent at the beach, watching BLUE WAVE, after BLUE WAVE, come ashore. Oh, and my dog just loves his new name.

Carlos Ponce

Are you feeling "blue" Mike, knowing that Texas is still a Red State with Republican Senators, a majority of Texas House members, a majority of state house members (both of them)?
Your US Representative is still Republican. Republican Randy won handily over Bell. Ted is still a US Senator. Robert O'Rourke has promised to work with him. Will you? You have painted the House "blue" - now let's see if they're up to it.Pursuing impeachment is fruitless. If they follow that path they will suffer.

Kay Lowell

Agreed!

George Croix

Actually, I thought that was a pretty inventive and catchy comment.....
No reason to win if not to celebrate.....[beam]

George Croix

I forgot to ask WHICH beach?
The waves in Galveston are muddy waters.....[beam][beam][beam]

Doug Sivyer

Mike, I love it!

Brian Tamney

Hopefully more people will see what the dems really are and we will be done with them forever after 2020. Of course they showed their @$$ pretty well in the kavanaugh hearing and people still voted for him them so we will see.

George Croix

NEVER happen.
The sense of entitlement and the dangled lure of 'free stuff' is simply too strong.
The game plan of the left remains what it has been for over 30 years - get as many people into the country as possible that are dependent on government assistance, then grant them amnesty and the right to vote. Or, just let them vote where it can be covered up, and 'count all the votes'.....
Plain as the nose on one's face......

Emile Pope

The "wall" is over. Unless trump can get Mexico to pay for it. No repealing of Obamacare. No more Hillary investigations. But trump may be in for a surprise. No more tax cuts for the wealthy. It's a start...

Carlos Ponce

The WALL will be built.

Carlos Ponce

"No more Hillary investigations. " Dream on.
"No more tax cuts for the wealthy." TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY, TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY, (Squawk, whistle). Merely parroting DNC talking points. With the current tax cuts did tax revenue go down? No. Sounds like Emile believes in class warfare - a tenet of the Communist Party.
" It's a start.." Yes, with all this Leftist gibberish, Trump is reassured of re-election.

Mike Zeller

"Trump is reassured of re-election", just like you reassured us the republicans would keep the House, and NO BLUE WAVE. Your batting 100%.

Carlos Ponce

There was no blue wave, Mike. A "Blue Wave" would have meant taking the House AND the Senate. That did not happen. What I wrote was this:
God revealed his plan for 2018 when he sent the University of Alabama football team to the White House. The players laid hands on Trump, praying with him. The team is known as the CRIMSON TIDE. Now look at the word "Crimson". It is defined as "deep purplish-red". Meaning there would be Democrats elected but there would still be Republicans. And those Democrats elected will work with the President. (Which is what Nancy Pelosi has promised).
NO BLUE WAVE! There was actually a PINK WAVE when you look at all the women elected from BOTH sides of the aisle.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos... that God revealed thing with the Alabama football players. You were kidding, right?

Gary Miller

Emile! HRC will now be indicted and most likely convicted. Most of the criminals protecting her are gone or soon to be. They too can expect to be indicted. The AG's dept is in better hands. Mueller will not be fired, just let fade away.

Dalton Logan

The wall is being built as I type some of it by a Galveston County Company[thumbup]

Jarvis Buckley

Pope listen carefully-- The wall will be built. End of story.

Bailey Jones

lol. Wow - sore loser much? Don't forget to ridicule the members of your party who lost, as your president does. But you're right - it could have been a better day. Once again, half of the good people of Texas have absolutely no representation in the Senate.

But let's look at the numbers. Except for 2004 (Bush's second term), more Americans voted Democrat than Republican in every presidential election since 1992.

In 2016, more Americans voted Democrat overall than Republican.
In 2018, more Americans voted Democrat overall than Republican.
So, go ahead and keep believing that Democrats are the minority.

Carlos Ponce

Okay Bailey. Which Party has the Senate, the Presidency and the appointment power to the judiciary?

Gary Miller

Bailey! Citizens elect Presidents not immigrants. Citizens of the Red states which just elected 54 % of the senate will dominate the electoral college in 2020. States that let migrants vote cheat the citizens of those states.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, we cannot control what goes on in other states.
Both your US Senators are Republican.
If you live in Congressional District 14, Republican Randy Weber is your US representative.
Even if you did not vote for them a majority of your neighbors did!

Carol Dean

Bailey Jones, and you can prove that all of those dim votes were not FRAUD related, right?

George Croix

And, how does one get those figures? By counting VOTES, not people.
No other way, with the secret ballot process.....
One vote, to one person, supposedly, which, supposedly, means that the votes indicate the population's politics.
Yet, here we go again, and are knee deep, in selected areas, meaning liberal strongholds, in 'found' ballots that mysteriously show up after election day, that are favorable to Democrats....
Were there really 70,000 Democrats who had their votes oddly delayed due to being piled in a truck for a few days, after voting where ONLY Democrats cast votes?
Maybe....
[whistling][rolleyes]

Jarvis Buckley

The same folks that have been telling you for months on this forum that Cruz would win, are now telling you the wall will be built, that Texas will always be a red state. That another tax cut is coming. Your 401 K will keep growing, stock market will keep rising. President Trump will be re-elected in 2020. Democrat will be a word seldom heard.

Lisa Blair

GCDN editors, Is this really all you have to choose from for LTEs?

Paula Flinn

Lisa, most liberal/progressive readers do not write in anymore. After a few attempts, I would suspect they get tired of being talked to condescendingly, laughed at, and insulted by most (not all) on this forum.

Lisa Blair

My liberal/progressive friends don’t even subscribe anymore.

Carlos Ponce

So they get their local news from.....?
If they get their local news from social media that would explain a lot.

George Croix

You're only part right, PF.
The GDN Editorial Staff is entirely Lib/Prog...the write whenever they want.....[beam]

Paula Flinn

Did you see any election endorsements from our newspaper? I must have missed reading them. Other newspapers made them, and they are not afraid of offending either side or losing subscriptions.

George Croix

Not THIS election time, PF....
Did YOU see any conservative or even leaning that way Editorials herein in the last several years???? Like, for that objectivity and balance thingy.....
[beam][beam]
That was my point.
It's really not much fun, though, when it's so easy.................

George Croix

The GCDN could have done a survey to see how many local business owners invite people to come in and just sit around and receive free services from the business...
Now, that would be useful............[wink][wink]

No walkee the talkee.....very 'progressive'....

Lisa Blair

George, I don’t feel the need to answer your questions. Especially that one. Refugees fleeing the most dangerous countries in the world hardly compare in whatever lame and ridiculous analogy you’re trying to make. Everyone is welcome in my restaurant, no one is asked to leave for not spending money, if you need a warm place to sit, by all means come on in. My WiFi is your WiFi.

Carlos Ponce

Lisa, listen to them before they hit the border. They're NOT refugees. But they are being trained on the proper words (NOT THE TRUTH) to use once they come to the United States. Doubt if most will make it. Mr. Winter has made an early appearance. Many from the tropical countries have problems with that. THANK YOU LORD!

Emile Pope

Trained by who?

Carlos Ponce

Trained by several groups among them Pueblos Sin Fronteras.

Carlos Ponce

"They are not asylum seekers..."
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/386503-central-american-migrants-arent-seeking-asylum-theyre-activists

Carol Dean

Lisa, remove your blinders!

Lisa Blair

And the fact that my husband and I have spent twenty years building a place that serves quality food in a nice comfortable place means that most people who come in WANT to buy something.

George Croix

GREAT dodge, Lisa.
Of COURSE you don't have to walk your talk when it's at the personal rather than the shared by all level.
That's a choice you get to make. As do we all.
After successfully building your business, something you should be and no doubt are proud of, you SHOULD be able to decide how it's run, and what the house rules are, and what accommodations you are willing to make, and what expenses you'll make to run or improve your business, just as you would your home, and who you'll donate charitably to, or give a sample to, or whatever. All for that.
The United States is ALL our 'home', and our 'business', and we should be able to do those same things in it, too....not be forced to spend our profits on people who should not be in our home or business, and we should require any visitors to obey the rules, and not stand by while they are helped to avoid them.

That is marginalized by people who have one set of values for themselves, and another for others.....whomever they may be....

Good luck in your business. Really.
No more questions from me....I got the answer....

My wife, when she goes to Galveston, thinks your baked goods are great.....[wink]
Me, I rarely eat sweets - I get fat too easily....

dick bell

The real question is. Will beto pick up all of the crapy signs he put everywhere. VETO BETO :-)

Paula Flinn

People bought those BETO signs and put them on their property. They own them. Beto did not take PAC money. Cruz sold signs too. His are still out too! He did take PAC money.

Carlos Ponce

"Beto did not take PAC money." J-Street PAC (an anti-Jewish PAC) was instrumental in securing funds for him.
Saying he did not take PAC money is like the convict claiming "I didn't kill anyone. I just hired someone to do it for me."

Gary Miller

Paula! Francis O'orourk's money was bypassed around PAC's but came from the same Billionairs Liberal PAC's gt their money from.

Carol Dean

I just shake my head when I read comments like yours Paula. Obviously you know very little about election campaign finances. BTW, George Soros "ain't no slouch" when it comes to giving his money to the dims!

Paula Flinn

George Soros is smart enough to give to both sides, Ms. Dean. Obviously you don’t know me, so don’t make assumptions about me. Only a “hater” would do that. You are a perfect example of the nastiness that’s on this forum, and why my liberal/progressive friends do not choose to “get in the mud” trading negative personal assumptions and remarks from certain people on this forum.

Carlos Ponce

Both sides....
Paul Ryan who did not seek re-election
John McCain who died
John Kasich who might as well run as a Democrat
What do they have in common asides from left of Republican politics? They all hate Trump.

Jim Forsythe

Is the disappearance of the Democrat party what you want. Some other countries have a one party system such as North Korea, China, and Korea, as well as Iraq. In the 20th century, one of the most prominent examples of a state with a one-party system was the Soviet Union. A common feature that is shared in countries with one-party systems is the banning of political opposition by law.
Beto received about 48%, which is huge in a deep Red state, which may not be that deep.. The ones that think the Democrats are dead in Texas, may want to rethink that.
The number of Democrat Governors increased in the USA .With the Census coming, remember that one of the functions of the Census is to allocated our legislators in the House of Representatives that meted out by population. The change in population equals redrawing of districts, which some Governors have a hand in.
The governor's races have extra emphasis in 28 states where the winners will serve four-year terms with the potential power to approve or reject district boundaries drawn for Congress or state legislatures.

Some of the Governor pickup for the Democrats.
Democrat Kyrsten Sinema widens lead in Arizona Senate race
Kansas: Democrat Laura Kelly beats Republican Kris Kobac.
Michigan: Democrat Gretchen Whitmer beats Republican Bill Schuette.
New Mexico: Democrat Michelle Lujan Grisham beats Republican Steve Pearce.
Maine: Democrat Janet Mills beats Republican Shawn .
Wisconsin: Democrat Tony Evers defeats incumbent Republican Gov. Scott Walker.
Nevada: Steve Sisolak becomes first Democrat to win governorship since 1994.
Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner in Illinois lost his bid for a second term to Democrat J.B. Pritzker.


George Croix

I don't want the two party system to disappear, just for them to actually stop trying to make failed policies and practices work when done over again the same way.
NO one Party has all the correct answers.....

Emile Pope

Like trickledown economics?

Carlos Ponce

Trickledown economics has NEVER been implemented in this country.

George Croix

You exceed yourself, Pope.....you can't even take yes for an answer.....
Can't fix that................

Gary Scoggin

Trickledown economics were at the heart of the last tax cut.

George Croix

Here's a thought.
ALL economics, aside from the economics of 'entitlements', and, actually, even that, is 'trickle down'.....all of it....
Except, I suppose, for charitable donations, or outright theft.......

People with money, want products or services or to make them.
They spend that money to get such.
The people who got that money, want similar things for themselves.
They spend that money to get such.
The people who got that money.....etc.....
The entire system IS a pyramid, where the big money at the top, eventually gets to some lower point, and ultimately recycles back as profits or investments or a growing and diverse economy.

Unless one has a set of engraving plates, or inherits big, the only way to increase one's status in life is to participate in gaining income, than spreading it around to others, who also do so, each in turn gets some measure of increase they would never have gotten on their own, and what 'trickled down' to them can allow them to use same to move up...

The use of 'trickle down' as a pejorative is totally political, and the stuff of those who expect to be cared for, rather than participate in building the pyramid, or their codependents....the usual suspects, as they are.........
IMO, as always.....

Emile Pope

Totally false. Just the opposite...

George Croix

Just the opposite, huh, Pope.
The poor folks create the jobs and billionaires, using money they grow in their garden.....

Funny.....

Gary Miller

Jim! The goal is a two party system with Conservatives on one side and Republicans on the other. Bye Bye Progressives.

dick bell

Unfortunately the Democrat Party has too many socialists that have infiltrated and tainted the good Democrats ways.

Jarvis Buckley

What I want Jim is for the socialist to not use the Democrat party as a cover to run for office. In my opinion there are no centrist Democrats anymore they have moved over to
the Republican Party . Liberal socialists are hiding behind the
democrat party name.

Don Schlessinger

JB Socialists aren't using the Democratic Party as a cover, they are the Democratic Party. They only have to change their name.

Jim Forsythe

Don, are you calling me a Socialists? We are all are using socialist programs.
The dictionary defines socialism as government control of the means of production.
Do you use Social Security or know any one that does? Medicare,Veteran’s (VA) Health Care, Student Loans and Grants they are all socialist programs.
Highways/Roads – Taxpayers fund the roads we drive on every day. Maintenance. Expansion. Preservation of roads. These are done at taxpayer expense for the common good. Public Libraries,State/City Zoos are also
socialist programs.
The Military/Defense – The U.S. military is the world’s biggest socialist program. It’s also the most expensive. It eats taxpayer money like nothing else. From the richest to the poorest. We’re all protected by our military. It doesn’t matter if we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.
It doesn’t matter who you are. If you live in America you have benefited from socialism. Like it or not.
We don’t need a completely socialist nation. This wouldn’t work. A completely capitalist nation wouldn’t work either.

Carlos Ponce

"The U.S. military is the world’s biggest socialist program."
I would disagree with that statement since providing for the defense of our borders and American interests elsewhere is provided in the Constitution. Not socialist at all.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, you may have a different view on what is socialist, but the military fits the definition.
The military funded by redistributing the wealth of taxpayers to the military industrial complex by force of federal law. And – It’s owned & operated, exclusively by the government.
Everything is socialized in the military. Everyone gets all kinds of government funded entitlements and benefits like medical care, food, clothing, shelter, day care, transportation, pensions, and even access to technical training and higher education (G.I. Bill.)
The military is socialist state or society that even has its set of laws regarding the limitation personal freedoms and its own justice and prison system.
Also remember they can force you to join, as in the draft. It has not been used in a while , but you are still required to register.

Carlos Ponce

The military is NOT an example of socialism.

Jim Forsythe

The military is an example of socialism. Some more examples below..
Speaking out against the local government (base/post commander(s)) can get you in trouble. Also, distribution of “adverse” publications can be restricted, and your right to peaceably assemble for the redress of grievances is limited.
Personal firearms must be registered, and in many cases cannot be maintained in personal living quarters. They can also be taken away from you for storage at a government facility.
Soldiers can be forcibly quartered in your house or living quarters.
During “welfare” inspections, your dormitory or living quarters can be searched without the military equivalent of a warrant.
In some cases you can face double jeopardy when charged in civilian court with a follow up from the UCMJ. For example, a DUI may net you a civilian conviction which is followed up by an Article 15. Turn down the 15 and you get court martialed

Gary Scoggin

You gotta remember, Jim. Some of these guys sit so far on the right they are about to fall off the ledge and they consider anyone not bumping up against their left shoulder to be a Socialist. They don’t know a moderate from a communist.

Carlos Ponce

Military NOT Socialist.
What would a REAL Socialist military look like?
Everyone in the military would receive the same pay.
In times of draft everyone would have to register for the draft including women.
Being a "conscientious objector" would not be allowed. Everyone serves.
Industry would provide goods and services gratis as part of a socialist establishment. (similar to the feudal system)

Jim Forsythe

Denmark ( Women not drafted)
Military service age and obligation: 18 years of age for compulsory and voluntary military service; conscripts serve an initial training period that varies from 4 to 12 months according to specialization; former conscripts are assigned to mobilization units; women eligible to volunteer for military service; in addition to full time employment, the Danish Military offers reserve contracts in all three branches
Denmark (Conscientious objection)
Any male getting drafted, but unwilling to serve, has the ability to avoid military service by instead serving community service for the duration of the conscription.

There is no equal pay even in socialism - a transient stage on the way from capitalism to communism - because in socialism distribution is "according to their contribution," that is, not equal. But in communism there is no pay at all because communism is a moneyless, stateless, and classless society by definition.

The Chinese system operates through a process of draft registration.The process for registering for the draft is written in Part 13, Article II of the Military Service Law of the People's Republic of China . Men who reach the age of 18 by 31 December of the year should register for the draft before 30 June of the year.
  China's military salary structure is similar to other countries’. In terms of salary level, China’s level is comparatively low. "For example, a U.S. colonel who has served in the military for 30 years will have a monthly salary of $10,000. However, the salary of a Chinese who has served in the military for 30 years is just 8,000 or 9,000 yuan,”

George Croix

The simple fact is Republicans LOST the House.
No sugarcoating that....
If, in the end, projections are accurate, by almost exactly the same number as the total of Republican 'retirements' from that body, thus a loss of the power of the incumbent.
But a loss is still a loss, whether by 1 seat or by 40.
Cheerleaders do not win the game - only the points on the scoreboard do.
If you favor illegal immigration and having other people subsidize your life and having 'your side' get away with crimes that has put ordinary citizens in prison and don't want more of your own money in your pocket and don't care about all time low unemployment and jobs opportunities, then you are happy.....if not, then you are not. If you despise the President and place popularity over productivity, then you are happy - if not, then you are not.
Claims that these things are not so, are dishonest, made by dishonest people...it's so easily verified that no one could possibly claim simple ignorance as a reason for disavowing the realities.
BUT, your joy or pique is of no consequence overall - a loss or win is a loss or win.
Adults in the room - enjoy your win, or bear your loss.
Congrats to the folks who won.

Now, that's the House.
Where stuff like budgets and legislation originate. Where any and all of it can be taken away by similar actions by the next majority.
Republicans lost it....

Then there's the Senate, where, unless more Florida and Arizona ballots get 'found' days after the election, the majority, slim, maybe just 1 still, and maybe as many as 4, will remain Republican.
The Senate, where all the legislative work of the House dies unless voted to go forward.
The Senate, where 'impeachment' dies unless voted to go forward.
The Senate, where, most importantly of all, federal judges and SCOTUS justices are appointed for lifetime terms, no matter who the future majority is.
Republicans, absent more 'found' ballots, will keep it.....
Congrats to the folks who won.

Then, there's the Presidency.
No change there, for at least 2 more years.
Years where roughly a half hundred more federal judges, to date, and more to be nominated. await appointment for life.
Where there is a distinct possibility of at least one, and maybe two, more new SCOTUS justices nominated and seated....not certain, but quite possible, simply due to biology....

Ultimately, it may look good on the Sunday morning stat sheets to see which team had the largest crowd attendance or the best overall yardage stats, but the only thing that matters is who's still ahead after all the plays have been made.

Can the two 'sides' work together now?
No. Other than something so innocuous that nobody could vote against it, there will be ZERO comity.....nothing knew there.....

That should put a smile on the faces of the 'resistance', if only for a moment....
[whistling]

Randy Chapman

On another bright note, looks like Ruth Bader Ginsburg will need to be replaced very soon. Guess who'll get to do that? I wonder what alleged crimes the Dumbocrats will cook up for the next nominee? I'm sure they have a pick-list already composed and just waiting to be checked, depending on the sex of the nominee.

Lisa Blair

Ha! RBG ain’t going anywhere!

Carlos Ponce

Trump will have three more SCOTUS seats to fill before 2025!

Randy Chapman

She can't even walk!

Jim Forsythe

We have two parties, not Republican one and Republican two. If you are a Democrat or a Republican, you may think that the other party has failed policies.
What the Democrats are going to work on is infrastructure, health care such as reducing drug cost , comprehensive immigration reform, minimum wage and other issues. If they fail to include the Republicans in the process, they probably will fail.
Now if someone wants a bill to pass. they will have to go thru the House and the Senate, which will require working together or risk gridlock.
The reason we have failed policies happen, is when both parties do not agree and try and force what the believe in on the rest.

George Croix

Jim, why do the Democrats NEED to work on health care after spending 2 years, to the exclusion of all else, unilaterally crafting THE final answer to health care and enacting it in 2010?
Answer:
Because they intentionally gave us an insurance and care system DESIGNED to fail, be too costly for users, despite it's silly name, and force eventual single payer government run health care.
So, some of us may be forgiven if we cast a jaundiced eye at the people either unable to remember or willing to forget that, and trying to blame anyone else, and NOW claim they have the answer to their previous answer.
It's like Jeff Dahmer saying he now knows how to make a better soup......
Include the other side?
Sure.....count on it.......the other side doesn't WANT government run health care, nor does it want to pretend that insurance one cannot afford the deductibles on is actually insurance, and the new Party WANTS single payer, but can't quite figure how to get it yet....despite trying mightily....
There's no risk to gridlock.....it's BEEN gridlocked for years, except on the tamest of issues, and there's ZERO reason to think it will ever again be any different - the divide has been reached, and the bridges are torn down. The numbers may have changed, but the Top Dogs all around remain the same, and they will do the deciding, as always......
The reason we have failed policies is trying over and over to get the same ones that already failed to work.
For instance, taxing our way to prosperity...never worked. Right now we see, unless blind, that just the opposite is a HUGE stimulus, but we stand poised to reverse it, if promises are kept, and try to make the lasting and multiple times failure work for the umpteenth time, this time.....
Examples are on the other side, too.
The MAIN goal is POWER, and both sides want it, period.....and it comes with getting elected.....
The most unpopular guy in DC right now has shown one and all what progress can be made when the goal is not power, but results.....
Maybe we need to only elect multi-billionaires with attitudes and who misbehave socially, so something LASTING positive can get done....the smooth talkers on both sides have not proven to pack the gear....
But, the FIRST priority announced by the new leadership of the House is investigating abuses of power...like asking the Post Office to actually charge enough to cover their costs....nobody disses Jeff Bezos or his donors list and gets away with it forever.....[whistling]
Nothing new there...........

Jim Forsythe

George, the Republican were ask to help with health care, but declined. Then when that had the chance, they gutted the ACA.
Health care needs to be addressed to make sure that Pre Existing Conditions are covered.
Now they want to address the cost of drugs which is good thing. I hope that it works.

Carlos Ponce

" the Republican were ask to help with health care..." Not the final product.
Have you forgotten, "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"?????

Gary Scoggin

Any bill the size of Obamacare is going to have flaws in it and needs to be adjusted. Jim is right, the Republicans let the Democrats make a mess and then offered no help in fixing it. Great politics but it sucked for a lot of people. But then again, the good of the Party is more important than the good of the people. McConnell said as much. Then again, so did Pelosi. They both should go.

George Croix

Hard to participate when the locks on the conference room doors are changed, Jim.....and, we had some of that 'participation' at the plant, remember....where you go to a meeting to discuss a plan or situation, knowing the decisions have already been made, and won't be changed, just so a phony claim of 'attempted inclusion' can be made......think back...thiiinnkkk baacckkk...[wink]

And, Gary, the main flaw was ex-Pres. Obama lying through his teeth about it...repeatedly.... precisely for the purpose of getting support from the folks, KNOWING he was lying, and it was designed to fall apart....
Then again, maybe the 30 odd 'exemptions' given to those he wanted to give them to were just coincidentally his supporters.
Heck, maybe Jonathan Gruber (sp??) KNEW he was being taped when he said the whole mess was premised on knowing folks would be stupid enough to believe what they told us.......[rolleyes]
Sure.....
Everyone should have gotten a clue when the mess had to be 'deemed' to have passed a vote by oddball parliamentary procedure, rather than stand alone.....

Gary Scoggin

George, The original ACA bill was rammed through with little or no consideration of Republican views, in that regard you are absolutely correct. It was typical of Reid and Pelosi (and, also, now McConnell) - hyper partisan political hacks all. The fault comes in after the act was passed. The Republicans were so hell bent on its repeal, offering no meaningful alternative, that they refused to work on fixing the problems and keeping the good aspects of it. They are much more interested in using the ACA as a rally point than they are in providing affordable medical care for those who can’t affors it.

George Croix

So, what's wrong with a rally point, that's the same one the other side used/uses.....isn't that just a wee bit good for thee but not for mee-ish....[wink]
AND, saying it's the OTHER guy's fault for not correcting the original 2700 page nobody read it before deeming it and then lying repeatedly about it junk is like saying, after the wreck, that, yes, the mechanic forgot to put the brake pads on, but it's the driver's fault for not correcting that before trying to use the car............
Or, close to that.....
When one CRAFTS a 'fix' that is DESIGNED to fail...by virtue of both not even close to 'affordable' unless getting subsidies, and by only being 'insurance' rather than care, and useless because deductibles too high, and intentionally relying on healthy people to either pay a high premium or a low tax, so it WILL, fail, one cannot expect to keep a straight face when complaining that the folks 'inheriting' said garbage then can't make it work without falling apart.
What's need is health CARE, and incentives to BE a doctor to PERFORM that care, and facilities where it takes place.
Thanks to McCain and his last second vote change, we are stuck with this mess for years to come...probably forever.
Anyone believing the Dems claims that they will 'fix' the ACA, when THEY are the architects of it's failure, should go live with the forum's resident garbage man...[whistling]
Needs to be scrapped, and something that can last and be effective, and HONEST... built....

Emile Pope

Totally false. The Republicans refused to help and instead insisted on having no healthcare plan. They wanted to shelve it until some unnamed later date. More false statements...

George Croix

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan

George Croix

ps:
The fact that the last president failed to improve the lives of the very demographic that expected the most from him BECAUSE he was one of them, and the current hated opposite of him HAS made all time improvements in their jobs and opportunities, does not give you license to make your own history.....that license to rewrite is from within.....
But, nothing new there.....

Jarvis Buckley

Lisa I'm an old man but even if.....all your customers are socialists, or conservatives not good to mix business & politics. Just saying......

Emile Pope

Just saw your president trump miss an important commemoration in Europe because he couldn’t stand being in the rain. Wonder what happened to his umbrella?

Carlos Ponce

Marine One was grounded because of inclement weather. Secret Service considered other modes of transport such as a motorcade to Aisne Marne American Cemetery ill advised and recommended the trip canceled. The White House cited "scheduling and logistical difficulties caused by the weather."

Emile Pope

What a bunch of garbage. The Queen of England attended along with everyone else. The only no-show was trump. Are their agencies better than ours? The Secret Service did not make such a recommendation...

Carlos Ponce

Emile - the "garbage" man.
The Queen of England does not have to answer to the American Secret Service.
"The Secret Service did not make such a recommendation..." Wrong as usual, "Garbage" man.

Carlos Ponce

Let's say Trump did override the Secret Service's insisting on NOT taking Marine One to the cemetery. What would "Garbage" man Emile have posted? "Your president is endangering the French people by flying to the cemetery in inclement weather."
Or if Trump overrode concerns about taking a motorcade to the cemetery. "Garbage" man Emile would have posted, "Your president inconvenienced thousands of French people just to get to the cemetery."
No matter what Trump did, "Garbage" man Emile would find fault. That's Emile !

Emile Pope

Making up things again...The president could have been driven there. There is always a plan b. trump decided to go because of the rain, not because he was advised not to go by the Secret Service. And there were no "concerns"... more made up garbage...

Carlos Ponce

And the "Garbage" man strikes again!

Emile Pope

trump isn’t going to Arlington National Cemetery today. On Veterans Day!!!!??? Guess he still hasn’t found his umbrella....shows how he respects the troops...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, Trump respects the troops, the Veterans, all who served. No nonsense from you will change that.

Emile Pope

Stayed home and tweeted...

Carlos Ponce

"SURESNES, France — President Trump spoke without an umbrella during a cold, rainy Veterans Day ceremony in France.
The ceremony at Suresnes American Cemetery near Paris was Trump's final scheduled stop before returning to the U.S."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-speaks-at-military-cemetery-without-umbrella-in-soaking-rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAA4ZhjWpeU

George Croix

Maybe he was just leading from behind.....[whistling].....

Carol Dean

Trump did not want to waste the time of one of America's Finest, USMC, and have him standing there merely holding an umbrella like BO did! Trump SUPPORTS and RESPECTS our Military!

Emile Pope

I hope you’re being facetious. Why did trump need an umbrella? Couldn’t he hold it himself? Too good to stand in the rain? Beto stood in the rain. President Obama stood in the rain. trump disrespects the military...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, just ASK the current and retired military. They voted overwhelmingly for Trump and continue to support him. To post, "trump disrespects the military..." is inane.

Carol Dean

Garbage Man, if you don't understand my comment, there is NO point in trying to explain it to you. BTW, today is NOT Veterans Day, it was YESTERDAY, but then again, that might have been above your "pay grade"! BO stood in the rain while a Marine held a ding, dong umbrella for him, couldn't he hold it for himself!?!

Emile Pope

He didn’t show up yesterday either. And Veterans Day is celebrated today. trump was simply a no show. But he did manage to see Putin...

Steve Fouga

It's really cool that the loudest, proudest conservative forum members are underestimating the gains made by Texas Democrats! Hopefully the same smug attitude pervades the Republican Party statewide. I'd like to see things evened up in Texas, so we can have the serious debates a 2-party system is designed to produce.

I expect further Dem gains in 2020, turning the state at least purple, maybe even blue. I thought it would be at least 2024 before Texas became blue again, but perhaps I sold the Dems short.

I'm particularly impressed by Beto's performance, nearly beating an incumbent (though widely disliked) Republican Senator, and proving wrong nearly every conservative pundit on this forum, who mostly predicted a Cruz landslide. That's okay, I thought Cruz would win by a more comfortable margin too. [cool]

dick bell

The real problem with beto is when you think of beto and close your eyes you don’t see beto. You see Sanders, Waters,Pelosy and the others that make the dems the way they are today... I would predict if beto ran as a Republican against cruz. He most likely would have beat cruz. The dem party is overran with terrible people in the leadership and yet the same get voted in again and again.

George Croix

"I would predict if beto ran as a Republican against cruz. He most likely would have beat cruz."

I believe you are exactly right. Of course, then we'd have just had another RINO to go with all the others in the herd(s).....
I, personally, pretty much despise Cruz, but cannot support ANYONE who advocates voting with the 'resistance' leadership in Congress, so voted against the other guy, not for Cruz. I voted, for his vote, not him....

Carlos Ponce

"underestimating the gains made by Texas Democrats!"
Number of statewide races won by Democrats in Texas = 0
Number of offices won in Galveston County by Democrats = 1
Underestimating?
"I expect further Dem gains in 2020, turning the state at least purple, maybe even blue."
Where did I hear something similar? Oh yes. From Governor Wendy Davis and Senator Beto O'Rourke. What's that? THEY LOST???????
FYI
Ted Cruz won Galveston County 67,179 votes (59.61%) to
No Betta NO'Rourke 44,612 votes (39.58%)
"One generally agreed upon measure of a landslide election is when the winning candidate beats his opponent or opponents by at least 15 percentage points in a popular vote count. " Cruz won by over 20 percentage points in Galveston County!
3 to 2 margin - LANDSLIDE in Galveston County!
FYI, most of GCDN forum users live in Galveston County.

Carlos Ponce

By the way Steve, before you celebrate, while Galveston County voters voted for Amanda Jamrok (D) over Mayes Middleton (R) 21,367 to 20,583 for State Rep 23, Mayes Middleton beat Amanda Jamrok if you add up all of that district's votes 32,553 to 23,580.

Steve Fouga

I hope all Republicans think like you, Carlos. Close doesn't just count in horseshoes and hand grenades, it counts in politics. When a party gets close, after not being close for decades, it's meaningful. If you can't see that the Dems made big gains nationwide and in Texas, you're either not paying attention or you're in denial.

Carlos Ponce

Steve, can you give me some numbers? I'll give you some. ZERO, ZIP, NADA wins on the Galveston County ballot for any race by any Democrats for any race. ZERO, ZIP, NADA wins in any state wide races by any Democrat. You're talking about LOCAL races in heavily Liberal counties like Dallas, Tarrant, Travis, Harris, etc.
Numbers, please , numbers! And please list the local limited offices they won.

Carlos Ponce

Steve, examine the ballot you, STEVE FOUGA voted on. Can you name ANY Democrat on that ballot YOU completed that won?????

Steve Fouga

You're being purposely dense as usual, Carlos, or you're in denial. YOU check the numbers. You'll find most races were much closer than usual -- lots of single-digit wins in reliably double-digit territory. Tarrant County liberal? Hogwash. But it's BECOMING more liberal. That's the point. Closeness COUNTS in politics, because there's always a next race. First, deep red. Then less red. Then purple. Someday, a BLUE WAVE. Don't let it catch you unawares, Carlos! And don't say I didn't warn you!

Jim Forsythe

Steve, I see Texas turning Purple by the next Presidential election. As Harris county in 2017 increased in population by a rate of 4.93%
As in other parts of the USA, the large cities and surrounding area has been trending Blue. Rural areas are becoming more red.
As you said, things are changing, just look at Harris county ,the offices that were Red , turned Blue.
One example, Harris County ,Judge Ed Emmett.
No one expected him to lose.

For Republicans, it was literally a wipeout. Even so, that doesn't quite capture how bad it was for them. The Democratic sweep underlined how rapidly the GOP is fading in Harris County, third population-wise among the nation's counties. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost to Barack Obama by 971 votes. In 2016, Trump lost to Clinton by 161,511.
As I said before, the larger cities are turning more blue , this includes Houston,Dallas, San Antonio, El Paso, and others which are increasing in numbers faster than the other parts of Texas.


Carlos Ponce

Next presidential election Donald Trump will be re-elected, Texas will remain Republican.

Jim Forsythe

Texas will remain Republican until it is not. Could be in 2020 or later, but it will happen.

It's a little early to say someone is going to win in 2020. A lot of unknowns can come into play.
When a candidate did not win the popular vote in 2016, and a lot of the time when a person runs for a second time, they lose some of the votes they had the first time. Add in a increase in independent voters it could add up to a decrease on Electoral College votes for Trump. Add into how some people are turned off by the way he attracts people. Then Trump- may decide not to even run, you never know.
Who will the Democrats run? You may see a ticket of Joseph Kennedy III and Beto O'Rourke.
Could it be the year a third party wins, you never know.
One third party ticket could be John Kasich and maybe a Democrat, you never know.

Carol Dean

Jim Forsythe, I dare you to make your socialistic comment to members of the military! They are the one true reason you even have the choice to make such a ridiculous statement, other then the 1st amendment! I am the proud wife of a United States Marine Corps Officer, Fighter pilot and the mother of an active duty ARMY officer. They BOTH served for you protection and well being. Hope you remembered to THANK a VET this weekend!

Jim Forsythe

Carol,I back the military just as much as you do. My response was to the Democrats being called socialists . Many of the things we do in the USA are socialistic. The nature of the military requires that we use the type of discipline that is, follow orders and ask no questions. without this type of command we would not have rank in file that do as well as they do.
My family has a Two Star General, and 5 that fought in WW11, one was shot and one died. 2 in Korean DMZ, 4 in Vietnam and many on my wife's side including one that retired, after many years underground.
I was not calling any member of the military a socialist, just the model that it is formed around.

Carol Dean

Thank you for your clarification; however, the US Military is NOT Socialistic.

Jarvis Buckley

Carol I don't believe Jim would say anything or write anything bad about our military . I've read many of his comments for years. I think he is a true patriot that simply has different views than you & I do . I also don't think he's a socialist . I believe from his comments he's an old party yellow dog democrat.
Just my thoughts....

George Croix

Nope.
Jim's no yellow dog, and certainly not a socialist.
He DOES like to play the devil's advocate...a very useful technique for a person tasked with training others, which was one of the functions my old friend performed well....

Jim Forsythe

Thank you George.

Carol Dean

"Garbage Man", you may as well take your "can" and go home. You will NEVER come close to keeping up with Carlos!

George Croix

Welcome, all, to the forums, where denial is not a river in Egypt.....[beam][beam][beam]

dick bell

I just read an article that suggests the real reason for so many democrats coming out to vote was due to the tax reform lowering the amount of property taxes to $10K that can be itemized. 😏

Jim Forsythe

Dick, in Texas the increase was in part do to Beto vs. Cruz. Across the USA it may have been for another reason.
If you ask someone that had not voted before, would they say they are voting because of the 10k deduction or some other reason.
I would think most might say Health care, infrastructure, immigration reform, Trump, because of the Democrats and many other reason. It would not have been my reason, as I do not qualify for the deduction as with many others . It may be a big issue in places with high propriety value and or with high taxes.
Was it your main reason for voting?

dick bell

Hmm... I did ask a few people that I know that voted for beto and they said it was for the free pizza

Carlos Ponce

Free pizza???? I heard the "Beto drive you to the polls" people were offering fried chicken.

Jim Forsythe

Dick, your reason was?

George Croix

Before the REST of us get all sympathetic about those folks losing 10K from their IRS deductions keep in mind they've been screwing the other taxpayers for years by not paying their full measure.....unless, of course, they were forced to live in those states....

Jarvis Buckley

I understand there is a socialist movement in congress to elect Beto
Speaker of the House.
You do not need to be a congressman to be speaker of the house. I am told.

dick bell

Beto would be better anyday compared to pelosi
In fact the dems could pick the first guy walking out of a 7/11 and that person would be better yet

Carol Dean

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

Carlos Ponce

"a socialist movement in congress to elect Beto Speaker of the House."
If selected do you think he'll wear his black flowered dress?

Doug Sivyer

Gary Miller, why did you feel the need to write this? Was your intent to stir up our already divided population even more. or are you just bitter over the recent midterm election results? Hasn't tRump and his supporters done enough already to divide this nation?

George Croix

The universal use of identity politics...racial/gender/ethnic division, class envy when not open warfare, and demonizing/verbally and physically attacking/harassing ALL who have a different opinion.... IS the operating model for the Democrat Party....
Free speech, as long as it's the same speech as theirs....
You can't expect to do that crap and not get blowback....
It's not Pres. Trump and his supporters assaulting others and ginning up accusations of crimes with zero proof, or even corroboration.....

It's gotten tiresome...but at least provides the humor of the usual suspects claiming it ain't so, and we should not believe our own eyes and ears....[wink][whistling]

Gary Miller

Doug! I was amused by the Democrats glee at winning nothing. Instead of helping Trump restore America they plan on trying to get revenge for Trump defeating HRC.

George Croix

Don't discount political nobody's.
Got one running the country right now.
Maybe a re-match of the same two nobody's.....
A nation that has so many willing to vote for a candidate based on 'how they look' or sound, is liable to vote for anything...[beam]
The Democrat party will ultimately, at some point down the line, and especially once the Democrats give amnesty and voting rights to the MILLIONS of illegal aliens, make the Republican Party irrelevant, and it will be the Republicans' fault.
They are simply lazier/less motivated overall, and NEVER learn not to split their vote, and NEVER EVER are willing to abandon ideological purity and settle for something, rather than nothing.....
They are also quicker to jump ship if they don't 'like' their boss....the 39 or so 'retirements' this time on their part GUARANTEED a big House shakeup, when it could....might...have been a lot closer to a draw...even potentially a hold.....
The Senate republicans might be in a little better shape this time, IF the 'found' votes don't hand them defeat after apparent victory, but, even there, too many RINO's.

Wishing won't make it not so....only a sea change in conservative attitudes and voting practices will...IF it's not, now, too late anyway............

Then, on top of all that we are doing to ourselves, there's the cultural and political pollution from all the liberal state refugees resettling in conservative states where they can actually afford to live, watering down the thick red blood.....until they end up making those states as bad as the ones they came from....
Personally, I think The Fence should be totally circumferential, not just at the southern border..... [beam][beam][beam]

Carol Dean

Carlos, be nice. It is possible that "insanity" runs in the Garbage Man's family.

George Croix

Well, McSally just conceded to the Taliban cheerleader (well, that might be slightly too tough a label...[wink]) Sinema in Arizona......
Looks like those late ballots worked for the left there....who says it doesn't pay to 'count all the votes...even the extra ones....[whistling][rolleyes]

Looking more and more like stalling for time to fill out friendly ones is going to work across the board this time....likely outcome now considering the Florida mess is a mess is the Senate stays the same as it was at 49D, 51R, with the only improvement being a couple of RINOs, or worse, Flake and Corker, are gone......
Slim chance for 52 or 53, but the benefit of the secret ballot is nobody knows who filled one out, and the problem with a secret ballot is nobody knows who filled more than one out......

Maybe the right should take a lesson...............?
No.....leave it proprietary with the left.....

Jeff Patterson

Does it seem that a lot of folks are more concerned about their party gaining or keeping POWER...vs what’s in the best interest of the public. I think Ed Emmit fell to party politics sadly. My hope had been when the Democrats took the House there’d be an effort towards a balance in policy making and getting things done. In the last couple of days I’ve heard Democrats with their majority in the house have crafted 85 sudpeons on Trump... so it appears more of the same... disappointing. With the
“Party Wars” we the people are the losers ...and we’re paying salaries for them to do this

Lisa Blair

Democrats were elected to the House specifically to put checks and balances on this president. Democrats expect their congress people to hold him accountable for his crimes. Whether it creates a balance or not.

Carlos Ponce

"Democrats expect their congress people to hold him accountable for his crimes."
They will have to create the "crimes".

Dan Freeman

Since you asked for other than “created crimes” by the President’s men, here are the remarkable number of convictions and indictments: George Papdopoulus, Samuel Patten, Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, Alex Van der Zwaan, 12 Russian intelligence officers, 13 Russian civilians, 3 Russian entities, Richard Pinedo, and Konstantin Kilimnik. Trumps main achievement has been the 36 criminals and potential criminals so far and counting. Impressive for his first two years in office.

Meanwhile 8 years of Obama yielded two convictions, both U.S. generals for intelligence violations.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-aides-factbox/factbox-people-indicted-convicted-investigated-in-trump-russia-probe-idUSKCN1LU2BH

Carlos Ponce

"Democrats expect their congress people to hold HIM accountable for HIS crimes."
Donald J. Trump is not on your list.
But you did mention "3 Russian entities". One "Russian entity" did not even exist!
The rest of the Russians were PR indictments. Mueller does not expect them to appear.

George Croix

Two years with nothing so far related to that.
Just about all related to things long before Donald Trump decided to run for President. Some just showboating, to get a 'Russian' in the mix, knowing full well nothing will ever come of that....

Now, compare that to 8 years with 4 dead Americans after assistance and even attempt at rescue denied while lying about 'the video', Admin. officials and their assistants or even husband handling classified and top secret info like it was emailed recipes for cookies, of-the-grid basement bathroom servers, destruction of over 30,000 documents under subpoena and multiple devices used to send or receive said documents, a 'red line' laid but then abandoned along with the thousands dead associated with it, inviting trash to the White House that marched for 'dead cops' and got some, incessant race baiting and repetitive vilifying of the Police, a dead Border Patrolman after a botched gun running scheme thanks to an incompetent lying Attorney General, paying for hostages release, a pallet of cash given to the world's largest terror state, openly staring us all in the face and lying about Obamacare, using the IRS for targeting political opposition, spying on American citizens while the DNI lied about that, lethal negligence by the Dept. of veterans Affairs, the FBI top dogs colluding with the Justice Dept. and the DNC to produce phony document used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, the Berghdal trade of 5 seasoned terror leaders for one worthless traitor, spending some 2 million bucks EACH to gin up 'green energy jobs', billions in 'stimulus' for 'shovel ready' jobs that remains unaccounted for, the 'tarmac meeting' with AG Lynch and Bill Clinton by 'accident' ........................Jimmy Durante would have simply said "I gotta million of 'em", and been only slightly off......

Now, compare lists.............
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......kinda like comparing a splinter in a finger to multiple amputated limbs...............
IMO, as always.................

Carol Dean

What "crimes"!?!

Carlos Ponce

Lisa wrote "Democrats were elected to the House specifically to put checks and balances on this president."
Checks and balances refers to the BRANCHES of government, not to the political parties.
Definition of checks and balances: a system that allows each branch of a government to amend or veto acts of another branch so as to prevent any one branch from exerting too much power
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/checks%20and%20balances
Dividing up the Legislative branch among two parties is NOT "checks and balances". It will lead to stagnation.

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