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Charles Douglas

Many Christians sometimes don't realize it but Jesus did not tell Pontius Pilate, Ceasar, or King Herod to feed the hungry, nor to take care of widows and orphans. He told his believers, the Body Of Christ

( The Church ) ..to do that. This is reason enough for everyone to understand that God's people are ordained to be prosperous, and not poor! A BLIND man cannot lead a BLIND man, and so it is also that a POOR man cannot help a POOR man! GREAT ARTICLE!!!!

Emile Pope

"A poor man cannot help a poor man"? That statement makes no sense unless you believe that a poor person only needs money and that a poor person only has money to give. And as for the rest of your comments...

https://www.openbible.info/topics/poor

Carlos Ponce

Emile, did a poor man ever give you a job?

Emile Pope

Yes and a career...

Bailey Jones

Poor people don't create jobs? Do they not eat? Wear clothes? Require shelter? Go to hospitals? Buy school supplies? Use transportation? How many jobs would be lost without the 41,852,315 Americans living at or below the poverty line? How many businesses would go out of business without access to minimum wage workers?

Emile Pope

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Carlos Ponce

I'd hate to see the job Emile got from a poor man.

Carlos Ponce

"Poor people don't create jobs?" No one ever posted that, Bailey. By your logic even animals especially pets create jobs.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, I dare say war has created more jobs in this country than poor people. But do we really want war just to create jobs? FDR's policies did not get us out of the Great Depression. WWII unfortunately did.

Bailey Jones

Only you could equate poor people and war. But I appreciate your nod to the fact that massive government spending in WW2 ended the depression - capitalism's greatest failure in the modern era.

Carlos Ponce

The Great Depression was world wide. While Europe dug itself out, the United States dug itself deeper with the Revenue Act of 1932 (HR 10236) signed by President Herbert Hoover which raised taxes. On the day of passage, Democrats had a 221 to 211 majority in the House. Republicans held a 48-47-1 majority in the Senate and the presidency. The Senate vote was 46 for and 35 against ( 23 Democrats, 11 Republicans, 1 Farmer-Labor). Republicans got the blame for worsened economic conditions based on a tax hike which originated in a Democrat majority House. This led to the landslide win by Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat gain of 12 Senate seats and 97 House seats.

Emile Pope

False...

Carlos Ponce

This was not a True/False test. If it were, Emile would get a ZERO.

Gary Scoggin

Charles... you are exactly right that Jesus gave this responsibility to his Church. And, as a body, we don’t do a very good job of this. That is why there is room for the government to step in and fill this gap.

Charles Douglas

Gary, my sentiments exactly. My thoughts are the reason the government has to fill that gap is that many in the CHURCH, find themselves BEING the poor. This is the reason I expressed my views concerning poverty in my lead-off post. It was not to many years ago, many Christians thought, as many probably think today.... they were supposed to be poor. There was talk of some taking vows of poverty, because they thought Christ was poor. IMAGINE that, when 2 Corinthians 8:9 ...declares that " For you know the grace of our LORD Jesus Christ that though he was RICH, YET for your sakes he became POOR, that through his POVERTY, YE Might be RICH!

Bailey Jones

The Houston Food Bank lost 1.8 million pounds of food yesterday, due to an ammonia leak in the refrigeration system - the week before Thanksgiving. Please consider donating to a food bank this Christmas season. One simple way to give is to stock up on hurricane food in the spring, and donate it to a food bank in the fall. Cash is also great.

Charles Douglas

Mr. JONES. I place value on your integrity, so I am going to ask you a simple question. Sir, do you think a POOR man who has nothing, and who is in the process of his family being evicted from his small section eight living facility, can walk over in another neighborhood and pay the rent for another poor man who also has nothing? Sometimes we just need to cut the POLITICAL BS out and be honest! Hey I came up in grievous poverty, so I know what poverty is, and what toll it can inflict on an individual! I thank God with the persecutions I suffered for being poor, I never developed a poverty mentality. Now with that I rest my case! In poverty you dress a certain way, you are forced to eat a certain way, drive certain vehicles! I will end my discussion on this Op-ed by saying I would have loved just to have dreamed of my family being able to supply jobs and careers to other people out of our state of poverty, let alone doing so! We were poor people and NOT poor millionaires. God bless.

Emile Pope

If only you would...Anyone that thinks that the only way to help someone is to give them money or that the poor have nothing to give and no way to help someone else is extremely narrow minded and worthy of no more consideration...

Charles Douglas

Yes I said what I said, not what you and Mr Jones wiggled around with but I said it! If poor people are so well off, why are they being helped? WHY DID JESUS ADMONISH HIS FOLLOWERS TO HELP THE POOR? When I was poor, I could not afford to do @&$ thing for nobody! Mr. JONES, if you are reaping all the benefits from helping the poor, then why are YOU NOT POOR! You proved my point! I thought you would answer honestly. I guess that was to much to ask. Interesting thing, the Word of God States a POOR man's wisdom is despised and his words are no longer heeded....Ecclesiates 9:16.

However the Word of God probably don't mean much to a man who would blaspheme the Holy Spirit! Some people just ...They're Just soooooo smart.....Lolo. I'm out ...goodbye.

Emile Pope

Mr. Douglas, that is perhaps the most nonsensical comment I have ever heard.

Emile Pope

And the quote that you cite was about the value of wisdom and not about the poor. Even your reference was wrong...

Charles Douglas

Mr. Pope! Sorry you think that my post did not make sense! Think about it, generally speaking, why would a great wise man be poor? Take your time with it, Don't rush to to put it down. I think you will get It. However, in this country everyone gets to have an opinion. So if you disagree, ...it is allowed. I disagree with you, disagreeing. See you on the next Op-ed.

Bailey Jones

"Think about it, generally speaking, why would a great wise man be poor?" Jesus was poor. Buddha was born a prince but renounced it all to live as a poor man. Early Christian communities held their possessions in common and gave any extra to the poor. Saints, monks, nuns, and otherwise holy peeps throughout history have taken vows of poverty. Possessions, and the attachment to them (Buddhism) / the love of money (Christianity) stand between humanity and the divine. That's why a great wise man would choose to be poor. (And no, I have no desire to be poor, nor for that matter, holy.)

Carlos Ponce

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Emile Pope

Gandhi was poor. So are you saying that poor people are stupid? Typical. Implying that poor people somehow did something to deserve poverty. Guess it makes some people feel no guilt when they go out of their way to turn their back on them...

Carlos Ponce

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Bailey Jones

2 Thessalonians 3:10 isn't about poverty, it's about idleness. Specifically, it's about idleness within the communal society of the early church communities. (No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.) But, I can see how someone who equates poverty with idleness could make that mistake.

Carlos Ponce

Poverty does not equal idleness but idleness can lead to poverty.

Carlos Ponce

"The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat" is a Jewish expression from 'Bereshith Rabba' "Whoever doth not work doth not eat" based on Genesis 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return".

Bailey Jones

If you grew up poor, you know how generous poor people can be with the little they have - like sharing a meal with a neighbor. And that's what this letter is about.

Charles, check out a charity called Kiva. They make micro loans to poor people all over the world which allows them to work their way up a bit. Your donation almost always gets repaid, and you loan it over and over again. I've been re-loaning the same seed money for about 10 years now.

Bailey Jones

Happy to see that HEB is stepping up to replace the food lost in the Houston Food Bank. One more great local business to support!

Carlos Ponce

Old saying: "Give a Man a Fish, and You Feed Him for a Day. Teach a Man To Fish, and You Feed Him for a Lifetime."

In the classroom while we don't teach "fishing" we do teach the skills necessary to lead a productive life in this modern world. In the same classroom I had students who would go on to become engineers, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, etc. On the other hand sitting in the same room with the same instruction there were students who..... let's just say they were not as successful. Forty years ago they would say, "I'm never going to need this." But today they say, "I wish I had paid more attention in your class." It's never too late to learn to "fish".[beam]

Charles Douglas

Mr. JONES please!!! I read what you said, but obviously you are not really reading what I posted. I said JESUS was not poor. Now you are saying he was. You said You have no desire to be HOLY, but I do!!! There is quite a bit of daylight between You and myself, YET ...we seem to coexist on this forum quite well. Mutual respect, is what they call it. However, you are wrong on your views concerning this, calling the second person of the Godhead poor. Another thing, Christians are made KINGS AND Priests before God, by entering his family through accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord (REVELATIONS 1:6 ).When was the last time you talk to a poor king? Now see what you have done? You made me start PREACHING!! Now what you should do, just because you know I like you, is to give me a big SHOUT OUT AMEN for what I just gave you. What I just gave you is PRICELESS! Tell you what... you give me that AMEN, and I will give myself my own offering!!!

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