American voters knew who Donald Trump was before they elected him. He hasn’t changed. He never will. So, stop being so shocked and appalled at his conspiracy of the day. Leave Donald Trump alone so he can do the work he was elected to do regardless of the many scandals he is facing.

Trump had a short sexual encounter with a 25-year-old porn star soon after Melania gave birth to their son. This is old news. The devout Christians of this country have given him a pass on this. It’s called “forgiveness.” Besides, what 60-year-old male would give up the chance to have sex with a 25-year-old porn star?

Trump had a much longer affair with Karen McDougal, a Playboy model, and has been lying about it to the American people. Again, this is old news, happening many years before he ran for president. The devout Christians of our great nation have forgiven him for this lack of judgment and his lying.

Trump is a habitual liar. So what? Every politician lies. Trump just does it better. So does his staff. But to conservatives, this is a positive trait. One thing they can count on is that if Trump is speaking, he is probably lying. There is nothing worse than not knowing if a politician is lying or not. With Trump — there is no doubt.

Trump is politically ignorant. American voters wanted someone to “shake things up,” and he is doing exactly that. He isn’t doing this as a plan to address the challenges facing the country or the world. He is shaking things up because he has no idea what he’s doing. He was and is the most politically ignorant politician in the history of the country. For his supporters and Republicans in Congress this is a good trait.

Trump isn’t a very nice person. People love to hate Trump — but that isn’t why Americans voted for him. They didn’t want a saint. They wanted someone who “tells it like it is” even though he has no idea what he is saying or the issue he is telling about. He acts tough like a schoolyard bully. It is easier to follow and support a bully than to stand up and stand out for abuse and ridicule.

So, it is clear Trump is a liar. He is an adulterer. He is politically ignorant, and he isn’t a very nice human being. Americans know this. They can depend on Trump to continue to be this person. He will never change. That is who he is. That is a positive trait about Trump. He was hired to do a job. Let him do it.

In Trump fashion, let’s just tell it like it is. If your family was in a sinking boat with Trump, would you expect him to dive into the cold waters to save you and your family? Or would you expect him to save himself and swim to shore?

At least you know what you need to do. Save yourself.

John R. Cobarruvias lives in Houston (Clear Lake).

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Carlos Ponce

"A Born-Again Donald Trump? Believe It, Evangelical Leader Says"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/us/politics/a-born-again-donald-trump-believe-it-evangelical-leader-says.html
St. Paul in 1 Corinthians gives a list (6:9-10) of sins committed by those who will not inherit the Kingdom of God. But he adds: "That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
Evangelicals and church going Catholics overwhelmingly voted for Trump in 2016. And we are pleased with the outcome.
If you know your Bible you will see that God chooses the most unlikely to carry out His mission. Look at the antics of King David in the Old Testament. Even Saul of Tarsus had Jesus' followers killed - before he became the Apostle Paul.
We see in Donald Trump a fellow Christian. Like all of us he has sinned. But as Jesus said to the woman accused of adultery, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” She replied, “No one, sir.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, [and] from now on do not sin any more.” John 8:10-11
Time for Trump haters to cast away their stones.

Gary Scoggin

If someone claims to be a Christian, I accept them at their word. I only wish President Obama’s critics had extended him the same courtesy.

Jim Forsythe

Nearly 100 evangelical leaders have signed onto a letter urging their fellow Christians to vote against Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, who, they write, “has fueled white American nationalism with xenophobic appeals and religious intolerance at the expense of gospel values, democratic principles, and important international relationships.” The letter was posted to Change.org on Thursday, and had nearly 5,000 signatures by midday Friday. (Oct 11, 2016 ) https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump

Carlos Ponce

"Nearly 100 evangelical leaders have signed onto a letter urging their fellow Christians to vote against Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump,"
AND NOT MANY HEEDED THEM! Even AFTER their petition, Evangelicals and church going Catholics STILL voted Trump. They may have pleased their own congregations but only a few outside their group. Leaders???? Looking at the list of signers, I've never heard of them.

Kimberly Klepcyk

How quickly you forget Trump did not win the popular vote. The man is a con man who is fleecing our country for millions and devestating America’s standing on the world stage. This editorial is laughable as it doesn’t even begin to address the complexity of the problems we are facing with this President. Our democracy is at stake because most Americans are too lazy to read regularly and remain civically engaged. Ultimately the ignorant masses will be our downfall. Electing a simpleton like Donald Trump as President was the first step in that downfall. God help us.

Jim Forsythe

Response to Carlos
Below is part of the reasons that Nearly 100 evangelical leaders stated, as why they are against Trump.
"We believe the candidacy of Donald J. Trump has given voice to a movement that affirms racist elements in white culture—both explicit and implicit. Regardless of his recent retraction, Mr. Trump has spread racist “birther” falsehoods for five years trying to delegitimize and humiliate our first African-American president, characterizing him as “the other” and not a real American citizen. He uses fear to demonize and degrade immigrants, foreigners, and people from different racial, ethnic, and religious backgrounds. He launched his presidential campaign by demonizing Mexicans, immigrants, and Muslims, and has repeatedly spoken against migrants and refugees coming to this country—those whom Jesus calls “the stranger” in Matthew 25, where he says that how we treat them is how we treat him. Trump has steadily refused to clearly and aggressively confront extremist voices and movements of white supremacy, some of whom now call him their “champion,” and has therefore helped to take the dangerous fringes of white nationalism in America to the mainstream of politics."
"Mr. Trump has fueled white American nationalism with xenophobic appeals and religious intolerance at the expense of gospel values, democratic principles, and important international relationships. He mocks women and the sanctity of marriage vows, disregards facts and the accountability to truth, and worships wealth and shameful materialism, while taking our weakening culture of civility to nearly unprecedented levels with continuing personal attacks on others, including attacking a federal judge based purely on his Mexican heritage, mocking a disabled reporter, and humiliating a beauty pageant winner for her weight and Latina ethnicity—to give just a few examples."

Carlos Ponce

"evangelical leaders"???? I read the list of petition signers. I never heard of any of them. Have you?
However Evangelical leaders I have heard of still support Donal Trump.

Emile Pope

Because they are hypocrites...

Carlos Ponce

No, Emile. Because they know God.

Emile Pope

Republicans and evangelicals give trump a pass on things that would be inconceivable to excuse if it were a Democrat. Why? Because all of their morality talk was just an excuse for implementing their agenda. Now that they have a president who has broken all ten commandments (many more than once) in office, their defenses are hollow. And apparently siding with Russia against decades old allies and conspiring with them to alter an election is now acceptable if it gives the desired result.

Bailey Jones

Yes, I will give Trump credit for that. He's ripped away the veil of moral superiority that Republicans and the religious right and hidden behind for decades. Now we all know that it's just self righteous talk, no substance.

Carlos Ponce

Your opinion, Bailey. Trump's not a perfect man. I don't agree with everything he's done. But I am pleased with his overall performance and so are my fellow Christians.

Cary Semar

What has Trump done that you disagreed with?

Carlos Ponce

In forming a proposed DACA policy he included much more than those who had registered as DACA kids.

Carlos Ponce

Emile must be perfect if he is casting stones.[rolleyes]
What commandments has Trump broken in office?
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. No evidence he has.
2. Make no graven images. No, he hasn't made any.
3. Taken the Lord's name in vain. No, he's used some expletives but not taken the Lord's name in vain.
4. Kept the Sabbath holy. Yes. He does work on the Sabbath.
5. Honor your mother and father. No, he's honored them.
6. Do not murder. He hasn't personally killed anyone, unless you are counting those under his command who have killed in the line of duty.
7. Do not commit adultery. Maybe in his heart like Jimmy Carter but no evidence he's actually done that while president.
8. Do not steal. What has he stolen?
9. Bearing false witness against a neighbor. Questionable.
10. Do not covet your neighbor's house; do not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's. Unless you can read Trump's mind you don't know if he has coveted anything.
"Now that they have a president who has broken all ten commandments (many more than once) in office....." Is Emile bearing false witness? [innocent]
After all Trump's done to Russia, they don't think he's siding with them.

Emile Pope

Well, if he did those things before he was president, why did you vote for him??!! Any one of the things he's accused of or admitted doing would have immediately disqualified any Democratic nominee. Yet people seem to believe that none of his actions disqualified him (someone who has never held political office and never, ever did anything for anyone not named trump) from holding public office. The hypocrisy reeks...

Claudia Burnam

You seem to forget all of Clinton's affairs before he was president. E G Wiley

Carlos Ponce

"Well, if he did those things before he was president, why did you vote for him??!!"
His proposed list of judges was the turning point, men and women who actually would go by the Constitution and not make it up as they go. Like you posted "he did things BEFORE he was president". Once a Christian turns to Christ all that wrong is GONE in the eyes of the Lord. There were presidents (Kennedy, Clinton, etc) who continued their sexcapades AFTER taking the oath offfice and in the White House. Not so for Trump. He's busy fixing up previous administrations' problems.
"Any one of the things he's accused of or admitted doing would have immediately disqualified any Democratic nominee." Have you forgotten Bill Clinton and his wife who badmouthed his accusers????? To quote Emile Pope : "The hypocrisy reeks.."

Emile Pope

So you ignored his actions and only went by what he said??? Con artists love people like that...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
Discernment - (in Christian contexts) perception in the absence of judgment with a view to obtaining spiritual guidance and understanding:
Like all of us, Trump is a sinner. As a Christian all that is forgiven. God forgives, Emile does not.

Emile Pope

It's called holding people accountable for their actions.

Carlos Ponce

God holds everyone accountable, even Emile. God also forgives. Apparently you are unfamiliar with that concept. Still casting stones, Emile?

Carlos Ponce

Emile, I suggest you study Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, let us settle the matter," says the LORD. 'Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool'."

Emile Pope

1. His love of money.
2. Trump tower
7. Stormy?
8. Trump U?
10. Remember the tape?

Carlos Ponce

We knew he liked money before the election.
We knew he had Trump Tower before the election.
Stormy is a non-issue.
Trump U has been taken care of - nothing to worry about.
The tape is a non-issue. Nothing on it of consequence.
Emile, you worry about tiny things. Wonder why? [innocent]

Gary Scoggin

John makes a good pointing out that it doesn’t matter that our President is a scuzzy, dishonest human being and a terrible excuse for a husband. We’ve seen that in Presidents before. (See Clinton, Bill.) what matters is his performance, which is better than his detractors think and not as good as his supporters think. I really do wish he would get his facts straight, quit lying so much and stop attacking the institutions of Democracy.

Bailey Jones

I didn't vote for him. I have no reason to give him a "pass". I'll continue to be shocked and horrified by his lies (almost 5000 since he's been president according to the Washington Post), his bullying (in a time when our children are killing themselves at record rates), his colossal ignorance (has he ever even read a book?), his adultery (I'm 60, and I've never broken my marriage vows - it's really not that hard if you're a decent human being), his lack of understanding of both politics and economics (tariffs - really?), his coddling of America's enemies, his vilification of the press and his political rivals, and - well I could go on all day. Trump knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. He's crude, arrogant, greedy, untrustworthy, petty, impulsive, racist, misogynist, and a xenophobe. I will never let it be the new normal.

Carlos Ponce

So WAPO has a list of "lies".
Look at their list:
“We can build the wall in one year and we can build it for much less money than what they’re talking about.”
WAPO calls this a lie. Fact is the wall can be built in one year and for less money than "experts" claim. "Can build" is not the same as "will build".
Not a lie.
Construction of the Empire State Building began March 17, 1930, and the building officially opened May 1, 1931. A little more than a year. The United States switched to war-time preparedness after the "Day of Infamy" in less time than that. Americans usually have a "can do" approach. Trump haters have a "can't do" mindset.
“We have tremendous numbers of people and drugs pouring into our country. So in order to secure [the border] we need a wall.”
Not a lie. There are numbers to prove it and Border Agents say a wall will stop much of it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/10/president-trump-has-made-more-than-2000-false-or-misleading-claims-over-355-days/?utm_term=.9aa63e3ddf80
Much of WAPO's list is a matter of opinion, not fact.
Bailey Jones, the truth is, The Washington Post is hiding behind the "Freedom of the Press" to spread their anti-Trump agenda. WAPO LIES! Much is FAKE NEWS.
Do you believe EVERYTHING WAPO prints? Looks like someone is gullible.

Carlos Ponce

John F Kennedy said "We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."
There were "experts" and scientists who viewed this a hyperbole. Most considered his statement "optimistic". Yet on July 20, 1969 American astronaut Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
There are still nay sayers who say it wasn't true. Much of Trump's rhetoric is hyperbole and enthusiastic optimism. One day historians will look back at WAPO and their Trump haters the same way we look at those who deny the Moon landing.

Emile Pope

Didn't he say that Mexico would pay for it? Didn't he say that his tax plan would help the middle class and raise taxes on the wealthy? What about his great healthcare plan? His promise to release his taxes? His promise to divest? This false equivalency where you equalize a few, very few misstatements by Democrats with the thousands of lies of trump is useless...

Carlos Ponce

"Mexico would pay for it?" They will. The deal is being worked out through the renegotiation of trade agreements with the newly elected Mexican president.
"Didn't he say that his tax plan would help the middle class and raise taxes on the wealthy?"
It has.
"What about his great healthcare plan?" It was proposed but Congress did not follow through. That's why he's going top election rallies to get new blood into Congress.
"His promise to release his taxes?" They WERE released Rachel Maddow. Don't you remember?
"His promise to divest?" As president he has to distance himself from investments. They are in a blind trust. Maybe they were divested. He doesn't know. We don't know.

Emile Pope

Making things up as usual...

Carlos Ponce

Try looking it up, Emile. Not made up.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey Jones: "I didn't vote for him. I have no reason to give him a 'pass'.
He's still president, Bailey. And you probably won't for him when he wins re-election in 2020. That's your choice.

Paula Flinn

Am I the only one who thought John C. was being sarcastic, and writing his column tongue-in-cheek?

Jim Forsythe

Paula, you do know who John is?

Claudia Burnam

No! E G Wiley

Steve Fouga

No.

Jim Forsythe

John R. Cobarruvias
Bay Area Democratic Movement in Clear Lake
https://allevents.in/houston/mtg-bay-area-democratic-movement-in-clear-lake/1923151351288191

This is one of his columns..
There's nothing conservative about Republican Party
By JOHN COBARRUVIAS May 15, 2018 GDN https://www.galvnews.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/article_d235c8b3-df28-5df1-97fd-9b7aa1befad3.html


Diane Turski

Ha! Ha! Great satirical piece! However, the American people did not elect Trump - the electoral college did.

Carlos Ponce

"However, the American people did not elect Trump - the electoral college did."
The Electoral college elected almost every president. Gerald Ford was never on the Electoral radar, not even for vice-president.
Obama was elected by the Electoral College.
George W Bush was elected by the Electoral College.
Bill Clinton was elected by the Electoral College.
George HW Bush was elected by the Electoral College.
Ronald Reagan was elected by the Electoral College.
Jimmy Carter was elected by the Electoral College.
Richard Nixon was elected by the Electoral College.
Lyndon Johnson was elected by the Electoral College.
John F Kennedy was elected by the Electoral College.
Dwight Eisenhower was elected by the Electoral College.
Harry Truman was elected by the Electoral College.
Franklin Roosevelt was elected by the Electoral College.
Shall I continue Ms. Turski?

Diane Turski

Carlos, I realize it is more convenient for you to use a broad brush for everyone. However, it is worth reminding you that Trump did not get the popular majority vote of the American people. When 77,000 votes override 3,000,000 votes, it was not the American people who elected Trump. It is also worth reminding you that the Supreme Court selected George W. Bush in that election fiasco.

Carlos Ponce

The Constitution states presidents will be elected by a majority of the Electoral Votes, not a country-wide popular vote.
"It is also worth reminding you that the Supreme Court selected George W. Bush in that election fiasco."
The Supreme Court decision was 7-2. The Supreme Court decision allowed the previous vote certification to stand. Bush won. Get over it.
See "Bush still wins Florida in newspaper recount"
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/04/04/florida.recount.01/index.html
"The Miami Herald and USA Today conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 'undercounted' ballots in Florida's 67 counties that ended last month.
Their count showed that Bush's razor-thin margin of 537 votes -- certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State's office -- would have tripled to 1,665 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore."
Bush still wins. Get over it.

Carlos Ponce

Interesting that Florida's recount according to Algore's standards gave more votes to Bush so he actually won by a wider margin.
Same thing happened in 2016 when Jill Stein requested recounts in several states - Trump gained votes.[beam]

Jim Forsythe

Trump gained votes?
President-elect Trump won the state by more than 22,000 votes in November, a margin that increased by 162 votes following the recount, according to preliminary statewide totals announced by Wisconsin's election commission on Monday.

Pennsylvania election officials updated the state's vote count to show that Trump's lead over Clinton had shrunk to about 44,000 out of more than 6 million votes cast. That is still shy of Pennsylvania's 0.5 percent trigger for an automatic statewide recount. A state spokeswoman said 15 provisional ballots remained uncounted.
On December 12, Judge Diamond rejected Stein and the Green Party's lawsuit, ending the recount effort in Pennsylvania and allowing the state to certify its original November 8 results

The Nevada partial recount was completed on December 8. It resulted in no change in the number of votes cast for De La Fuente, but Clinton lost 9 votes and Trump lost 6 due to absentee ballot errors. The recount involved 93,840 ballots in total

Carlos Ponce

You didn't mention Wisconsin......
from your favorite-VOX:
"But Election Day results, and now Stein’s recounts, have cemented Donald Trump’s win, and all of these recounts have proven to be an incredibly difficult exercise that could use some simplification."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/30/13764566/jill-stein-presidential-recount-explained
Results:
Clinton increased her vote total in the state by 713 votes, while Trump increased his by 844, widening his lead by 131 votes over the original November 8 count.
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/completed-wisconsin-recount-widens-donald-trump-s-lead-by-votes/article_3f61c6ac-5b18-5c27-bf38-e537146bbcdd.html
Pennsylvania:
"On December 12, Diamond rejected Stein and the Green Party's lawsuit, ending the recount effort in Pennsylvania and allowing the state to certify its original November 8 results."
So..... NO CHANGE.
As for Nevada which Hillary won to begin with:
A recount of ballots from five Nevada counties turned up just 15 erroneous votes between Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump, and no change in the results of the Nov. 8 election.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/34011663/nevada-ballot-recount-changes-just-15-trump-clinton-votes

Gary Miller

Diane? SCOTUS ruled the Gore recount plan was illegal. Ruled Bush had won the Florida EC by the election laws in effect before the election. Gore wanted an illegal recount and SCOTUS said no.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, what is your point? How is it different than what I posted?
You said "You didn't mention Wisconsin.."
Please reread my post as my statement was
"President-elect Trump won the state by more than 22,000 votes in November, a margin that increased by 162 votes following the recount, according to preliminary statewide totals announced by Wisconsin's election commission on Monday."

Carlos Ponce

The point is that you neglected Wisconsin, one of the states Jill Stein contested and which gave Trump more votes.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, below is what I posted on Aug 3, 2018 10:58am Please look again at it, as I talk about Wisconsin's
As I did not neglected Wisconsin, your point is lacking.

Jim Forsythe Aug 3, 2018 10:58am
Trump gained votes?
President-elect Trump won the state by more than 22,000 votes in November, a margin that increased by 162 votes following the recount, according to preliminary statewide totals announced by Wisconsin's election commission on Monday.

Casey Alan

I agree with everything you say about Donald Trump. He’s all those things you say he is. He was all those things before he was elected but yet he was elected. So sad. We need to know everything that’s going on with him. If he has committed some sort of crime we need to know about it and it needs to be dealt with. Trump had no problem parading Bill Clinton’s mistresses around Hillary. Even though he wasn’t the one running for president. He has no problem swinging mud. The country was in an uproar when Michelle Obama wore a short sleeve dress at the White House. Of course there are serval other things that went on let’s not forget about the birth certificate but this is why Trump’s dirty laundry is being aired. If it is OK for one party to do it. Then the other party has that same right. This country has a right to know what a sleaze our president is.

Jarvis Buckley

Same folks bad mouthing our President. Meanwhile their 401k's
keep getting larger stock market keeps climbing. Unemployment at all time low. Keep belly aching he's going to be your President for 7 more years. ✌️

George Croix

Yet, Pres. Trump hasn't yet been directly responsible for the deaths of 4 Americans begging for help, hasn't yet told us we can keep something we like knowing we can't, hasn't been yucking it up with his buddies immediately after announcing an American citizen being beheaded, has kicked the crap out of ISIS rather than lead from behind, hasn't bowed to any foreign leaders, has given us the lowest minority unemployment in history (as such, it took him less than 18 months to do what Democrats promised for over 50 years...), is making an effort to get our citizens held as foreign prisoners and out soldiers remians returned, hasn't sold America's uranium resources for personal 'foundation' slush fund gain, didn't do any of his alley-catting IN the Oval Office, and as far as we know has never left a woman to drown in a submerged car....etc...etc...etc....

Yeah.....that all sucks.....

Likeable? Not so much.
Effective? Only if you think success is good...............

Steve Fouga

"hasn't bowed to any foreign leaders"

This is the funniest thing I've seen from your keyboard, George. He's in Putin's pocket, period. If you had said "hasn't bowed to any of our foreign allies," then I would agree.

Carlos Ponce

" He's in Putin's pocket, period." Even Captain Kangaroo can't fit Trump in his large pockets, Steve.[beam]

Carlos Ponce

Liberal Steve, read "Facebook Pulls Fake Accounts That Mimic Russian Tactics Ahead of Election"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-removes-fake-accounts-that-displayed-activity-consistent-with-russian-efforts-during-2016-election-1533055712?mod=nwsrl_pro_cyber_commentary_analysis&cx_refModule=nwsrl
A page called “Resisters,” one of the most popular of the group, created an event page on Facebook for a protest planned for Aug. 10-12 called “No Unite the Right 2 - DC” that enlisted support from people and from five legitimate Facebook pages. Resisters, which described itself as “feminist activism against fascism” promoted the event as a protest of a right-wing event planned for Washington, D.C., next week called “Unite the Right.”

George Croix

Aw, bull-o-knee, Steve.
He hasn't even gotten a half million bucks for a speech from the Rooskies, or 145 million bucks in uranium kickbacks, or kissed their B-hinds with a 'reset' button.
Hel_, the entire upper ranks of the last Admin. including BHO himself KNEW the Russians were tinkering in the election and did NOTHING so they wouldn't hurt Hillary, so, exactly who's in who's pocket???
Exactly who hot-miked his 'flexibility' to deal with Putin after his next election, then, purely coincidentally, sat back as the Crimea was taken by Putin from Ukraine, which may have been because the Ukranians were busy helping Hillary and the DNC put together a 'dossier' on Trump the candidate.....a phony one.....and did doodley squat about Russian-aided Syria gassing their people....
Those folsk ended up in a grave...not a pocket...thanks to 'leading from behind'.
Keep repeating that Trump in Pocket BS till the cows come home - maybe the Holsteins or the Jerseys will believe it......or, the 'resistance'.....six of one, etc.


Steve Fouga

Trump is strongly beholden to Putin, George. It'll all come out eventually. Be patient.

The alternative is that he is genuinely stupid, and thinks it would be nice to make friends with the Russians against our long-standing allies. Take your pick: beholden or stupid.

Look to the future, George, and forget about Obama. He can't hurt you anymore. Trump can.

Carlos Ponce

Dream on Liberal Steve! [rolleyes]

George Croix

Steve, those who forget the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them....

Steve Fouga

George, that is exactly my point. The Russians do not have our interests at heart. They are a clear and present danger. Alarm bells are ringing, red lights flashing...

Carlos Ponce

Steve there is current indication the Russians are trying to influence the 2018 midterms. But they are are not pro-Trump. They are backing the "resistance" and backing Democrat Socialists. In 2016 before the election they were for Bernie Sanders, pro Jill Stein, pro Donald Trump just to throw a monkey wrench into the American political system since the media assured all Hillary was going to win. After the election they put out more anti-Trump propaganda supporting and promoting the anti-Trump protests. And they continue with Liberals as their patsies.

Steve Fouga

Carlos says: "Steve there is current indication the Russians are trying to influence the 2018 midterms. But they are are not pro-Trump."

Hahahahaha!!!! Getting your excuses ready for a big @ss-whuppin' in the midterms, I see! [beam][beam][beam][cool]

Carlos Ponce

It's true Liberal Steve. And there will be no "Blue Wave" come November. Republicans will still have a majority next year in both houses.

George Croix

Steve, the alarm bells have been ringing since 1917 and were deafening before the 2016 election but were PURPOSELY ignored by POTUS beyond “cut it out”. Only the ‘resistance’ has conveniently ignored that...
As long as there is an internet open to all and people dumb enough to believe whatever is on it those bells will keep ringing. At the very least THIS Admin. is warning about it....that beats the last bunch hiding under the desk until the guaranteed win, according to the polls, by Hillary....how’d that work out.....🤗

Steve Fouga

George asks "how’d that work out," meaning Donald Trump's victory in an election influenced by the Russians, the result of which could have been altered by the previous administration.

Surely by now you know I view it as a disaster. I thought I had made that as clear as possible.

Steve Fouga

BUT, I'm more concerned about Trump's FUTURE actions than about Obama's PAST inactions. That's why his beholden-ness to the Russians must be ferreted out.

Carlos Ponce

Steve, if the Russians actually had an impact in Trump's victory, he would have won BOTH the popular vote AND the Electoral vote. If you analyze the STATES Trump won you will see him actually spending TIME, EFFORT, PHYSICAL PRESENCE, MONEY in those states which Hillary took for granted.
"Senate report: No evidence that Russians changed vote tallies in 2016"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/08/senate-report-no-evidence-russians-changed-vote-tallies-2016/592978002/
"House panel finds no Trump-Russia collusion"
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/22/house-intelligence-panel-votes-to-release-trump-russia-report-479406
Rod Rosenstein's report: "There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."
http://time.com/5338451/rod-rosenstein-russian-indictment-transcript/
Liberals sound like "flat worlders" when they say Russia gave the election to Trump. Nothing will convince them.

Steve Fouga

I think we'll get to see, eventually. And my bet is that Russian interference had a big impact. In the meantime, I'll settle for an accusation of conspiracy and obstruction of justice.

George Croix

Mother Jones


Can't fix that..................

Carlos Ponce

Unemployment rate down to 3.9%.
157,000 jobs added in July.
Hourly wages up 2.7%.
Things are getting better. [beam]
Look for the Liberal's doom and gloom take on this good news. Liberals - you're up! Who's first?

Gary Miller

The better things get the madder progressives are. People getting jobs makes them mad because they were voters for liberals while getting food stamps. Now with a job they might not vote liberal again. Any thing improving life for people is bad for progressives.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, as you have always said, go by the U-6 rate. The current U6 unemployment rate as of July is 7.5.
This is down from a high of 17.1 in April of 2010. This is in line with the continued decrease in rate, since April 2010.
http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

The U.S. added 15.9 million jobs under President Ronald Reagan and 22.9 million under President Bill Clinton if you look at how many Americans were employed in the last full month they were in office versus the January when they were sworn in.
Only 2.1 million jobs were added during Bush's full tenure.
11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama.

George Croix

How many full time with benefits versus part time, 29 hour/week max (Obamacare fall-out...), or min. wage....or food stamps and a snap card...... [beam][wink][smile][whistling]

Jim Forsythe

The percent of people earning the minimum wage has decreased since 1979. Some people are working starter jobs , because it fits what is happening in there lives.
Jobs with retirement plans that were common, are decreasing because of the bottom line of employers.
Some people are going back to work after retiring and are not looking for benefits, but how much pay can they receive. As Baby Boomers leave full time work , they may increase the numbers of less than full time workers, and without all the benefits that they had before.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 3.0 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 3.9 percent of all hourly paid workers. The percentage of hourly paid workers earning the prevailing federal minimum wage or less declined from 4.3 percent in 2013 to 3.9 percent in 2014. This remains well below the figure of 13.4 percent in 1979, when data were first collected on a regular bases

George Croix

9/11

So soon we forget...or discount.....

Carlos Ponce

7.5 for U6 is not bad. But once Trump's entire agenda is implemented it will get lower. Remove the obstructionists which includes RINOS.

Carlos Ponce

U6 of 7.5 will get lower once Trump's entire agenda is implement. Time to remove the obstructionists especially the RINOS.

Jim Forsythe

What is "Trump's entire agenda"
Below are several reasons why it may not continue on the same path as it has since 2010. The increase in interest rates, the stock market that is indicating that is may start to go the other way, the lack of qualified workers and so on.

July 5, 2018
Wages and labor shortages
The unemployment rate has fallen to an 18-year low of 3.8% (U 3) and more and more companies complain they can’t find enough skilled workers. You’d figure that would be boosting worker pay, especially with so many people now switching jobs. Some 3.4 million Americans quit in April, almost matching a record high.
"Wages have been rising, but not nearly as fast as might be expected. Hourly pay rose at a 2.7% pace in the 12 months ending May, but that’s far less than the 3% to 4% rates that usually prevail when unemployment is so low.
Economists are convinced wages will move higher, perhaps crossing the 3% barrier later this year for the first time since 2009. It just won’t happen this month. Economists estimate the yearly rate will edge up to 2.8%.
Sooner or later the rate of hiring simply has to slow. The U.S. has added almost 19 million new jobs since 2010, leading to a far smaller and still-shrinking pool of available labor. Many of the people looking for jobs are also either very young or lack the necessary skills."
“Businesses are having a more difficult time finding qualified workers to fill open positions,” said Bank of the West chief economist Scott Anderson.

Carlos Ponce

Don't worry about it, Jim. Trump has it all worked out to benefit the American people and make America GREAT again!

Jim Forsythe

What is "Trump's entire agenda"?

Carlos Ponce

Trump's entire agenda can be summed up in two phrases.
1. Make America GREAT again!
2. Keep America GREAT!

Jim Forsythe

And the plan is? A agenda requires a plan.

Carlos Ponce

The plan is being implemented. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! KEEP AMERICA GREAT! Just listen to Trump's town hall meetings to get the specifics. Too many to post here.

Jim Forsythe

Try listing a few, maybe 10. "Make AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! KEEP AMERICA GREAT" is not a plan, just a slogan.
Is this his plan?
Based on Trump speech in Pennsylvania
"Highways would take 21 years to get approved." (Fiscal 2017, Dept of Transportation data--3 years and 10 months for approval.)
"Our first lottery winner, let's see, he has seven convictions for theft. He killed nine people." (Unsubstantiated claim.)
"Russians very unhappy that Trump won." (He stood next to Putin when Putin confirmed he preferred Trump to Clinton.)
"NATO funding was going down." (NATO military spending has increased each year since 2015.)
"saved our family farms from the estate tax." (IRS data shows 80 farms/small businesses were affected.)
Veterans Choice Act passed "which former presidents had been trying to pass for 40 yeas." (This act was passed in 2014.)

Carlos Ponce

Agenda - remove burdensome over-regulations. Most have been removed.
Reduce taxes for ALL Americans - Part One already on the books
Adequately finance the military - ongoing
Appoint judges who KNOW the law especially the Constitution - ongoing. Two excellent SCOTUS nominations.

Jarvis Buckley

Only blue wave will see this year is riding along the Seawall , water is so beautiful this year. Enjoy. Forget politics for a weekend. Life is short.✌️

George Croix

Just think...if the Scooby Van had just gone to Wisconsin, we'd have the good fortune to still have higher taxes, lower wages, higher unemployment, more jobs outsourced overseas, more of our 'allies' taking advantage of us, more of our enemies ignoring us, and wider open borders.
Wow.
How could anyone sane possibly not want all that.......[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

John Cobarruvias

And to think I forgot to add his relationship to Mother Russia. This morning Trump acknowledged the meeting between his son and Russian officials was to get dirt on his opponent.

From his tweet this morning: "Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!"

George Croix

John, campaigns 'get dirt' on their opponents all the time. It's called 'going negative'....
You may recall Fusion GPS, the DNC, The Hillary Campaign, and the Ukranians collaberations, their 'collusion'. to pay Big bucks to get a phony 'dossier' of dirt on Trump.....

It's not illegal to own a one-sided coin, but you can't spend it anywhere......

John Cobarruvias

I was wondering how anyone was going to defend trump on this issue. Thanks. Great point. I'm sure that will put Mueller and the deep state in their place.

George Croix

When stating fact if anyone is incidentally defended, so be it.
It beats excluding fact to make a one sided point.
I wasn't trying to put Mueller or the deep state in any place.
I was happy with the simple task of putting you in yours......

Jarvis Buckley

And I must say you did a great job George👍

John Cobarruvias

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States: If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

George Croix

Tell it to Barack, Loretta, Bill C., Hillary, Huma, Susan, Valerie, the DNC, John Podesta, Fusion GPS, the entire top management of the FBI, a few top State Dept. hotdogs, and about 95% of the national media ignoring all THAT proven, open, factual, conspiracy and collusion.....
That, too, like the coin, is not just one-sided......except so far nothing has been proven on the other side like it has with them. There's a difference between illegality and with dirty tactics.....although sometimes they combine....
Digging dirt on one's opponent is NOT the same as conspiring to and participating in an active effort to alter an election before or after it's held.
Ask Al Gore about what happens when you try to change the rules after the game's been played while pretending all you care about is the country...

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