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Carlos Ponce

“What do you have that is better and is embraced by all sides?”

They call it "WORK".

Finland tried Universal Basic Income and gave up on it after two years. It was implemented after unemployment reached highs of 10% in 2015.

Alaska is not a "test case" since the revenue comes from the state’s mineral royalties. For the state of Texas or the United States to implement this there would be massive tax increases without addressing your concern for the increasing debt.

How can we cure the rising national debt? Simple. It was tried in the late 1990's when a Republican Congress gave President Clinton a line item veto. But the courts ruled it unconstitutional. That can be remedied by by amendment or seeking Constitutional means of achieving that goal.

Universal Basic Income is just another word meaning income redistribution.

Jesus said "The poor will always be among you". We are obligated to give alms to the poor, the widowed, the orphaned. But taxes are not alms.

In the same classroom I taught students like Samuel Collins, who became successful. But sitting next to him was a student who let's say was not successful. It comes down to personal choices. Sometimes the road not taken is not taken for a reason. It may lead to a not so bright future. Choose the right path.

Robert Braeking

You want Universal Basic Income? You can have it now.......free. All you need is Universal Basic Skills and a Universal Basic Work Ethic.

Charles Douglas

Mr. PONCE mentioned that the Lord said "The Poor you will have with you always!" The Lord said it and it is true! The Word Of God also states, " Any man who will not work ... let not that man eat!" ....2 Thess.3:10. This proposal is nothing but a LIBERAL yearning for Socialism, leading to a country with no borders, and entrenched in Globalism! America's as we know it, and as it was intended to be would be gone forever! This is what OBAMA had in mind, with his policies, when he said he would fundamentally change America and the world, and HILLIARY too. She was supposed to build on what OBAMA started! If you doubt that, then think about what was one of the first things Obama did in office? He CUT THE MILITARY, and went after the Fossil Fuel Industry! Remember, "You did not build that business, you own?" He was insenuating that the Government was involved! Remember what Obama told JOE THE PLUMBER? Democrats loves when the government is telling you every move to make, taxing the hell out of you and taking your money. This is why they hate Trump! Proposals like these are born and crafted in the SWAMP!

Emile Pope

Actually that isn’t the word of God. Or Jesus...

Carlos Ponce

"The Poor you will have with you always!" Mathew 26:11 translated words from Jesus.

" Any man who will not work ... let not that man eat!" 2 THESSALONIANS 3:10 Now this is from Paul's letter but read it in context:

"We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. or you know how one must imitate us. For we did not act in a disorderly way among you, nor did we eat food received free from anyone. On the contrary, in toil and drudgery, night and day we worked, so as not to burden any of you. Not that we do not have the right. Rather, we wanted to present ourselves as a model for you, so that you might imitate us.e In fact, when we were with you, we instructed you that if anyone was unwilling to work, neither should that one eat."

"in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ"

Now couple this with what Jesus said in Mathew 18:18:

" Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The word of the Lord.

Diane Turski

I understand the big picture benefits of UBI and I support it.

Keith Gray

So Diane, why wait until it is mandatory.... go ahead and give a big fat portion of your own income to support it.

It's funny how all these folks have great ideas about my hard earned money... how bout digging into your pockets first, before you take a look at mine.

Charles Douglas

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jimmy winston

I will do that. If I have to give a little more so others can have more, I am 100% okay with that. Being greedy while neighbors are starving and going without is no way to live.

Gary Miller

Diane> You are always ready to to great things with MY money. UBI would be easy to do by cutting what is paid out for welfare. Cut welfare pay, they will look for jobs

Paul Hyatt

UBI is just another term and way for people to become even lazier than they are. What is needed is for people to learn how to WORK. Not every one is going to become rich and famous. You can not make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor....One way to destroy a nation is when the people learn that they can vote themselves a raise out of the treasury, but voting fools into office!

Carlos Ponce

I once heard Samuel Collins say to a group, " Give a man a fish and you feed him once, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life". UBI is just a metaphorical single "fish" - meant to feed them once but not sustain them for life. Not everyone can become a fisherman but there is some discipline anyone can do. Unemployment is in a 50 year low. Wages are going up because of a decreasing employee pool. But many jobs go unfilled because of a lack of skill and knowledge. I have some former students approach me and say, "I wish I had paid attention in your class" and "I wish I had not cheated through school". I would tell them in class, "The more you learn, the more you'll earn."

Jim Forsythe

If you do not like the idea of a universal basic income, what is your plan to address the problems we have now and the new ones that we will have in the near future?

What we are doing now, is not working. We are adding over One Trillion dollar a year to out debt.

We have a need to change now to help each other to have a basic why of life.

Why is it import to start working on the problems now? Because the US is losing jobs to automation and new technology, and is only going to loose more. We need to start getting very creative about ways to solve the problems that job loss will create. Technology is gonna destroy the labor market as we know it, and it's going to create a desperate need to find solutions in order to provide social stability.

A universal basic income would mean cuts to welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, low-income housing. We can take about half of the existing welfare programs and repurposing them for a universal basic income. UBI could replace or reduce virtually every program in the federal budget focused on low- or moderate-income people.

Carlos Ponce

"what is your plan to address the problems we have now and the new ones that we will have in the near future?"

We have a president who is taking care of that, Jim.

1) Reduce unemployment through tax reductions and removing burdensome regulations.

2) Control the border, enforce the laws. The influx of illegals willing to work at sub-minimum wages keep wages low.

3) Discourage legalizing and decriminalizing drugs. This only leads to greater access by the young. A kid on drugs can't learn the skills necessary to get those tech jobs that operate and work on the automation.

Charles Douglas

Jim your party is the one advocating a perpetual flooding of refugees, and illegals crashing our borders, to receive free stuff, when we cannot take adequate care of our own citizens now! So I guess the answer to our problems for the poor, hungry, destitute, and homeless is to take on the WORLDS POOR, Hungry, Destitute and Homeless. I don't get that one.

Mary Gillespie

No, it wouldn't.

I can see the Democrat attack ads now: "Republican Representative ________wants to cut welfare." Congress never met a spending program they didn't like. UBI would be just another spending program on top of our already massive spending.

Carlos Ponce

UBI sounds like another ENTITLEMENT.

Bailey Jones

My objection to the UBI is that, like all public assistance, it eventually trickles up the economy into the pockets of the rich. I have the same objection to cash reparations. $1000 a month means $1000 a month spent at Walmart, Amazon, Verizon, GM, Wells Fargo, etc. It's a transfer of wealth from the tax payer to the already wealthy and powerful.

I'm not at all opposed to investing in opportunity. Spend that money to ensure that EVERY American has the education and skills required to pursue whatever dream they have the ability to pursue, and are healthy enough to pursue it. And invest in basic scientific research and necessary infrastructure to fuel our consumer driven economy so that there will be good jobs available for everyone.

I do believe in direct payments to able bodied Americans in one circumstance - when capitalism fails to provide enough jobs to keep the population employed. During times of high unemployment (I think we've had 5 recessions since 1980) people need an income so families don't fall into poverty.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Jones... I sorta of like this one but that one toward the end down there......ahhhhhhh not as much. I thought you would want to know. Lolo.

Bailey Jones

Well, Charles, at least you liked the one that wasn't a joke.

Randy Chapman

Implement this and the other programs wouldn't be offset. It would just be an easier to obtain freebie to those that choose not to work, or that cannot be employed due to situations of their own fault.

Don Schlessinger

Admit it folks, the idea of personal responsibility is a thing of the past.

Carlos Ponce

A student told his economics teacher he didn't need to learn the stuff Mr. Parker was teaching him. "I'll just collect a government check."

Gary Miller

Carlos. . "I'll just collect a government check." Not the path to any kind of success. Survival perhaps but always subject to being on the bottom. If you never learn how to be valued your value will always be limited to leftovers.

Charles Douglas

Mr Miller, I call that... government check mentality .....Prairie Chicken Vision! Can't see six inches past his nose!" See what happened to Liz Warren this weekend? Some guy in her little crowd asked her why she, through her Socialist proposals, was punishing him for his hard work, and rewarding an acquaintance he knew, who threw away, and wasted his financial opportunities. She laughed at him, because she had no answer!

Jim Forsythe

If you do not like the idea of a universal basic income, what is your plan to address the problems we have now, and the new ones that we will have in the near future? If you and other Americans have no plan, we will travel down the path that we are on now, but at a Accelerated speed.

Just as Samuel Collins III and Norman Pappous said, "We believe that a significant hurdle to effective government is the refusal of our leaders to identify, and meet on, middle ground that clearly exists. This politically based rejection of ideas that enjoy a clear majority is born of a gerrymandered system that rewards each party’s less moderate elements." All that has been severed up so far is, my party is right and yours is wrong. Unless we , all of us start working together, are problems will just multiply.

All the tax cut that we received did, was increase the National debt and increased the wealth of the upper 10%. We now have business that make Billions, paying no tax. Some are even getting refunds.

Amazon did not pay any federal income taxes for the second straight year in 2018 and is receiving a $129 million tax rebate. The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) examined a recent company filing and discovered that the online retail giant made $11.2 billion in 2018 — up from $5.6 billion in 2017. Amazon received a tax rebate of $140 million for the 2017 tax year.

Something is really wrong when you and I pay more taxes than Amazon.

How do we fix this. One ideas is go to a flat tax. This is what George Croix always preached about, and he was right. Have no deductions and start charging tax at say at $30,000 dollars for individuals. The tax rate may be 10%, 15% or some other % , but the same for all.

The same would hold true for companies, but the rate could be different than for individuals.

In a March 31, 2016, interview with the Washington Post, Donald Trump promised to eliminate the United States' $19 trillion in debt in eight years. With the tax structure we have now, this is not going to happen, no matter whom is the President.

Carlos Ponce

"Amazon did not pay any federal income taxes for the second straight year in 2018" That's because of the Tax Code which allows a company to write off taxes paid to another country. IRS Form 1118 Foreign Tax Credit for Corporations dates back to 1973 with numerous revisions over the years the last one in 2018. If you don't like it tell the House which is responsible for bills originating Federal income.

Charles Douglas

Yeah Jim, Yeah! I hear you. So all I have to do when you and your party of free "LIVING FREE" takes over is to get a young wife, quit my job, have four kids ....go get on government welfare, get free food stamps, free college, free healthcare,... and then ADOPT THREE MORE KIDS TO SWEETEN THE GOVERNMENT MILK! That is axactly what is going to happen, and there will be lines and lines of illegals by THE millions will be pouring into this country. Laws and ways of life will change forever in this country, if it can still be called that. The LEFT already wants to stoop out ICE, and shackle law enforcement. Thinķ about that. There will be no law and order in this country if Jim and his party gets their way. Expect for the government to spý on you, use counter-intelligence to do it, if needed. Expect them to fraudulently use FISA WARRANTS, the CIA, FBI, NSI, and the DEEP STATE, to turn a once great nation into doing the desires of a UNIONIZED STATE, like the European Union directed by one man over 10-15 countries! This is where Obama was carrying us, and where Hilliary wanted us to continue going when TRUMP upset their plan! It is why Obama is hanging around DC now instead of going on with his life. He can't do that and direct the DEEP STATE too.

Bailey Jones

Trump's plan is simple. His deficits have gone from $500B to $600B to $800B to $1T. When it hits infinity it rolls over to zero like an odometer.

Carlos Ponce

"His deficits " And Congress had NOTHING to do with it? The $1 Trillion comes with a Democrat House. Oh, Trump could have vetoed it, shutting down government but then Bailey would complain about that too.

Charles Douglas

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Paul Hyatt

What about the 10 T + that Obama ran up. Where is the cry about that ?

Bailey Jones

"What about the 10 T + that Obama ran up. Where is the cry about that ?"

I'm glad you asked. That cry is in the past, Paul, as is Obama. Actually it was more of a continuous squeal from conservatives, as I recall it.

There is a difference, however. Obama ran up record deficits with crisis spending in order to save the economy from collapsing in the worst economic crash since the Great Depression. Obama's highest deficit was in his first year - he reduced the deficit as the economy improved. (His total deficit was $7.281T, BTW, not 10+)

Trump ran up record deficits during an era of unprecedented growth and wealth, facing no crisis of any kind, financial or otherwise. His deficits have grown year after year after year. Obama's second term (after the crisis) had total deficits of $2.187T. Trump's 1st 3 years have already racked up more than that, $2.536T, with his fourth year estimated to exceed $1T, AGAIN. Over $3.5T in new debt for his first (and hopefully final) term.

There was daily outrage from the right about Obama's deficits. But not a whimper about Trump's?

Yearly deficits, for your reference -

2009 - $1,413B

2010 - $1,294B

2011 - $1,300B

2012 - $1,087B

2013 - $679B

2014 - $485B

2015 - $438B

2016 - $585B

2017 - $665B

2018 - $779B

2019 - $1,092B

2020 - $1,101B (estimate)

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

Jim Forsythe

As up to 70% of the people that come to the USA and are not here legally, but are Visa overstayers. This is the place that we need to shore up with what we are doing. Building the wall will not solve this problem as we have people already here that should be here.

Unless we get serious on requiring e-verify by all employers and have penalties that make it where no one would not want to report, will continue to have problems. The wall is just a Band-Aid that will not change anything except how people and drugs, get to the USA. Until the profit is taken out of selling dugs, will continue to have a problem.

Carlos Ponce

"Building the wall will not solve this problem" Non Sequitur. Building the wall releases the border agents to go after the Visa overstays.

"get serious on requiring e-verify" Many work "under the table".

And we have idiot politicians vowing to remove ICE and CBP. Sounds like they want OPEN BORDERS!

Jim Forsythe

Building the wall will not solve the problems, but just change the way that the problems comes to the USA. “The majority of the illegal drugs that enter the United States through the U.S.-Mexico border cross through formal Points of Entry,” . “The drugs that cross in between are very minimal and non-expensive products like marijuana. All the cocaine, fentanyl and methamphetamine — they cross through formal ports because they’re easier to hide […in] freight comp and assorted vehicles.”

“Cut out land crossings and you have aerial — we’re seeing an increase in the use of drones, ultra lights and small planes which can be very difficult to police,” Nate Jones, an Assistant Professor of Security Studies at Sam Houston State University

Smugglers use pangas, open-hull, long-range boats which are difficult to detect and which excel at delivering contraband to California’s vast coastline.

Carlos Ponce

"The majority of the illegal drugs that enter the United States through the U.S.-Mexico border cross through formal Points of Entry" That statement comes from Joel Martinez of Center for American Progress. That is just a GUESS.

From USA Today "According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points."

But they add, "those numbers deal only with drugs that are caught". Key word "CAUGHT".

Are people who sell and buy the drugs revealing how those drugs entered the US? No.

THINK, JIM, THINK! How many drugs are smuggled through non-ports of entry? We don't know unless they are CAUGHT. All they can do is guesstimate the amount coming through ports of entry based on CAPTURED rates. Can you REALLY make any guesstimate on drugs through NON-PORTS of ENTRY? No.

Unless they get caught, there is no reliable data on the subject. And using the vast un-walled sections of border as entry is a good way of NOT GETTING CAUGHT.

Jim Forsythe

Trying to move large amounts of drugs through the desert is incredibly risky.To effectively smuggle drugs across a the border you would need to line up a huge number of humans and march them across the desert where their heat signature can be picked up.

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points. While those numbers deal only with drugs that are caught, border experts say the data accurately reflect the way drug cartels successfully smuggle narcotics into the country.

Vice President Mike Pence acknowledge in an op-ed column published in USA TODAY that those drugs "primarily" enter the country through ports of entry.

Perhaps the best authority on how drugs are smuggled into the U.S. is Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, the Mexican drug lord arrested by Mexican officials in 2016 and later extradited to the U.S.

During his trial in New York, several of his cartel members have testified that they mostly pushed drugs through U.S. ports of entry, stashing bricks of narcotics in cars, trucks and trains. None of El Chapo's associates has testified that they moved drugs through the open border regions in between those ports.

Border Patrol agents arrested two men after an ultralight aircraft flew over the border wall in California and dropped $1.4 million worth of methamphetamine and a getaway bicycle. A man was sentenced to 12 years in prison after he was caught picking up a package with 13 pounds of methamphetamine that had been dropped by a drone that flew over the border wall near San Diego. Border Patrol officials say such airborne smuggling attempts are only expected to increase as drone technology improves.

Smugglers also rely on the U.S. Postal Service to smuggle their highest-profit drugs into the country. A report from the Postal Service's Inspector General found that drug shipments have been on a steady rise in recent years, with over 40,000 pounds of drugs seized in the mail in 2017.

Carlos Ponce

"To effectively smuggle drugs across a the border you would need to line up a huge number of humans and march them across the desert where their heat signature can be picked up." They have ways.... Tell you what, next time you talk to a drug smuggler ask him or her how they got the "goods" across the border.

Jim Forsythe

You say they have ways, and these ways would be what? It's hard to block heat signature that one person gives off, let alone the heat signatures that the large number of the people that would be required to transport any large amount of drugs. Drug smugglers will use the way that offer them the best chance of success and that is at the boarder crossings.

Career drug smugglers organize their business in a way that will minimize the risks of apprehension and maximize profits.

Mexican drug cartels, among them the Sinaloa Cartel, smuggle the majority of illegal drugs in to the U.S., according to the DEA'.

The most common method is concealing drugs in hidden compartments in passenger vehicles, or commingled illegal drugs with legitimate goods on tractor trailers.

Jim Forsythe

If working under the table or off the books is that big a problem, make the penalties so stiff, that no one will want to chance it. Prison time for anyone hiring a person off the books. If caught the second time, double the sentence. Beside prison time, fine employers for each person working off the books times the number of days worked. The fine should be stiff enough that they would suffer monetary pain. Maybe in the range of $10,000 a day, times the number of days, times the number of workers.

It maybe time to look at ICE. Are they doing the job needed, or could they be used in a better way, to produce a better result.

Carlos Ponce

"make the penalties so stiff, that no one will want to chance it" Will that stop them? No. Fines for hiring illegals:

Criminal and civil fines

Loss of business licenses

First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 PER ILLEGAL EMPLOYEE.

For a second offense, the fine is $2,000 PER ILLEGAL EMPLOYEE.

Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 PER ILLEGAL EMPLOYEE. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.

https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html

Additionally, employers should be aware of the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Employers can be sued under the act for hiring illegal immigrants, and can face large settlement deals.

With all those penalties, that'll stop them from hiring illegals - right, RIGHT?

If they are "off the books" how are you going to verify number of days they've been employed? Take their word for it. "No más de un día!"

"It maybe time to look at ICE." They're doing a NEEDED JOB.

Democrat Presidential Candidates want to remove ICE- OPEN BORDERS.

Charles Douglas

Poor people pouring across the borders of this country by land, water, or air, are a sight for sore eyes to the LEFT! Those coming will be lied to, catered to, and manipulated into becoming citizens able to vote for the LEFT. They bad mouth the wealthy of this nation in order to get votes! A bunch of hipocrites who are rich and wealthy themselves! Nancý Pelosi is a millionaire many times over. Maxine Waters, millionaire! LIZ Warren ..Millionaire! Bernie BRO SANDERS ..Millionaire! Beaten BETO O'ROURKE...Millionaire. Joe Hands Biden..Millionaire! Barack Obama Millionaire! I could go on and on! Are all these millions going in the pot when we become a SOCIALIST nation? Don't count on it!

Jim Forsythe

Prison time for anyone hiring a person off the books. If caught the second time, double the sentence. Beside prison time, fine employers for each person working off the books times the number of days worked. The fine should be stiff enough that they would suffer monetary pain. Maybe in the range of $10,000 a day, times the number of days, times the number of workers.

$250-$2,000 is not going to stop no-one. Make the penalty stiff enough that no one wants to do it. Prison time, not jail time. Make it more years than just 6 months. Start with 10 years. If they are "off the books" how are you going to verify number of days they've been employed? That's what

ICE does, finds out question like that. They are going to buy,no more than once a week. It maybe time to look at ICE because they maybe more productive doing things different than they are now.

Carlos Ponce

Violation of the RICO Act could result in LIFE IMPRISONMENT.

Already in the law books, Jim.

ICE needs more manpower. They don't need belittling comments from Liberal politicians, pundits and press.

Jim Forsythe

You may have found that a person could receive more than 5 years under INA part of RICO but I did not.. INA is what is being used in RICO cases.

In order to prosecute a RICO case, investigators need to establish evidence of the existence of a criminal organization. The RICO standard is high and hard to prove.

Causation is the hardest predicate act to prove, and makes other ways of punishment a easier path.

The INA clearly prohibits the hiring of illegal aliens, stating "[a]ny person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in subparagraph (B) shall be fined…or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both." Thus, any company or person that knowingly hires, within any 12-month period, at least ten illegal aliens, commits a criminal violation of the INA, and is liable under RICO.

RICO allows private plaintiffs to seek compensation from any citizen or entity that causes injury to his business or property by engaging in a pattern of specific criminal acts, called predicate offenses. As mentioned, certain violations of the INA serve as predicate offenses, and are defined by the RICO statute as racketeering activity. A violation of Section 1962 of RICO exists when a defendant engages in a "pattern of racketeering activity," which is defined generally as "at least two acts of racketeering activity."

The INA clearly prohibits the hiring of illegal aliens, stating "[a]ny person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in subparagraph (B) shall be fined…or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both

One of the predicate acts that would make an employer liable under RICO is encouraging or inducing "an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law

Another predicate act of a RICO claim — causation — has been the most challenging for plaintiffs looking for redress for injuries suffered due to violations of immigration law. This element requires that the predicate act committed by the defendant must have caused the injury to the plaintiff.

Carlos Ponce

"In order to prosecute a RICO case, investigators need to establish evidence of the existence of a criminal organization."

Cartels are organized.

Jose' Boix

Seems that the UBI principle is similar to what Castro instituted in Cuba shortly after January 1, 1959. In the nut-shell: You get everything but have nothing! Beware of such theoretical plans as many end up in practical failures, and we certainly do not want that. Just my thoughts.

Charles Douglas

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Carlos Ponce

"In order to prosecute a RICO case, investigators need to establish evidence of the existence of a criminal organization."

Cartels are organized.

Jim Forsythe

The government must prove that Cartels are organized. Once that is done this they must prove all the predicate acts. If they can not prove all of the requirements, the case is over.

Wayne D Holt

Universal Basic Income has been tried in this country since Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. It is the social safety net of food stamps or cards, medical care, education assistance, head of household tax breaks, transportation vouchers and myriad other attempts to give those in need the universal basics of life that any decent human being would want to ensure everyone has.

How has that worked out for America? Haven't we given enough to at least see the glimmer of progress towards that worthy goal? If so, where is it?

IMHO, the answers are not as simple as put them to work, train them but don't give them an allowance or the other familiar nostrums we hear that reflect our Puritan work ethic. Fundamentally, we have a corrupt economic system that funnels 90% of wealth generation in this country to the top 5% or so. We have that because the people who write the laws write what they are told to write by their big donors. Giving people more of the same, just in a different form, is not going to change the rot in the system.

When laws are written to benefit America at large and enforced equally, when companies are not rewarded for off-shoring jobs, when those who benefit from constantly diluting the labor pool are stopped, when we begin to let those who fail due to lack of effort fail and starve if they choose, when our trillionaire military mind is replaced with effective defense and not gold hammers for Raytheon wannabes...when these things are done, there won't be a need for a illusory income slush fund that is just going to be paid out of more inflationary confiscation of the average American's purchasing power.

Those who are on the top of the pile would love something like UBI to be accepted because it would immediately decrease the pressure for REAL, FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE in our system. UBI treats the symptoms of a predatory financial system that devours all but those pulling the strings at the top. It is handing a funny face Band-Aid to a leprosy patient.

I don't want the government putting their criminal, corrupt and violent hands into my wallet any more than they already do. How anyone can point to something Hank Paulson supports as adding lustre to their position is beyond me. Paulson was the one who convinced Congress to give a trillion dollars over a weekend to the banks that nearly sunk the system in 2008; he salvaged the banks using back of a napkin numbers and threatened congressional representatives with marshal law if they neglected to oil the system that blew up due to the cosmic levels of greed and corruption within it.

If Hank Paulson is in favor of it, I would run as fast as I could in the other direction.

Dan Freeman

Thanks, Sam and Norman, for giving the usual suspects a chance to vent.

I did spend some time reviewing the Finnish results. Not simple and somewhat disappointing. I think an expanded Income Tax Credit system might be more appealing.

Many cannot work or are limited. Welfare or disability insurance is necessary for them. The tax and disability laws should be simplified.

It would make sense to have the government prepare the tax forms for persons with only single sources of income, or even all persons with all income reported through W-2, 1098 and 1099s.

Take the cap off the Social Security tax and re-instate significant corporate taxes.

And all but personal deductions should be eliminated for personal income taxes.

Carlos Ponce

The corporate income tax rate for Finland is 20%. The corporate income tax rate for the United States is 21%. Are you suggesting we drop down to 20% like Finland? Sounds good!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

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