A recent letter to the editor, after projecting placement of more conservative judges on the Supreme Court, was unsatisfied with the solid majority conservative jurists would secure in that august body. Rather, the author hoped for the time when all “progressives” are removed from all courts, deeming progressives to be “politically irrelevant.”

Such “my way or the highway” thinking is not new. Some “progressives” have voiced similar exclusionary, dismissive attitudes towards those challenging their views, too. But adhering to such a tribal worldview, where only those sharing one’s views are worthy, and all others are discounted as virtual non-entities, violates core principles of our democracy, not to mention the moral codes of most contemporary religions.

Generally, our republic has thrived on differences of opinion — the Civil War being a notable exception. Competing schools of thought, often incorporated into positions advocated by political parties, have counterbalanced each other, protecting our country from extremist “solutions” that diminish the status of those with opposing attitudes.

Consideration of critiques from “the other side” fosters more just outcomes. Open and — one might hope — respectful exchanges of opinions help keep America moving forward, rather than being mired in an unquestioning inertia.

Rejecting opportunities for advancement presented through the interchange afforded by openly debated viewpoints means accepting “that’s the way things have always been done” as a valid policy justification. Such resistance to change is self-defeating, as change inevitably occurs, whether through proactive, constructive and, ideally, collaborative design or through being forced upon us by forces beyond our effective control.

Suppressing competing views threatens our nation’s interest. A government that prohibits dissent is “totalitarian;” one synonym is “undemocratic.” Restricting opposing viewpoints, obviously, violates the first-expressed of our enumerated constitutional rights, the freedom of speech. Further, denigrating another’s beliefs and opinions too often leads to devaluing the person that holds them.

This subverts the premise, the very core of our national ethos, that “all men are created equal,” and betrays such moral injunctions as the “Golden Rule” and “love thy neighbor as thyself.”

An homogenous Supreme Court results in no written “minority opinions,” which opinions further the rigorous, ongoing self-examination of how well our laws are serving us, so necessary to a vibrant democracy. If the Supreme Court should not have minority opinions, what rights of the “undeserving” others with differing views might stand forfeit? The right to vote? Employment opportunities? Access to “public” services (that their taxes help pay for)? Their very citizenship? We’re talking about some of our friends, neighbors, and family members here, not faceless strangers living somewhere else.

Advocating an uncontested political ideology suggests a basic insecurity, as though one fears the result of diligent inquiry into that dogma’s logical underpinnings. Adapting a saying attributed to Socrates, “An unexamined belief is not worth believing.”

That said, develop your own opinions, express them, let them guide you at the polls. But don’t deny your fellow Americans the respect we all deserve by squelching their ability to express their own views.

Jack Evins lives in Galveston.

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Carlos Ponce

If you look at many of today's college campuses you will find an attitude of "Conservatives shut your mouths, keep your opinions to yourself."
Looks like snowflakes fall on both sides of the road.
I like free speech. I like diversity of opinion. But I also believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. The attitude that the Constitution means whatever you like is ridiculous. If you don't like what's in the Constitution - amend it. If you don't like a law, change it.
Abraham Lincoln said the best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. When the immigration laws of this country were enforced after years of neglect by previous administrations why were people shocked? It's on the books, enforce it. If you don't like it, change it - LEGALLY. Use the judiciary to interpret the laws as written not create new laws- that's not their job. But that seems to be the Progressive way of doing things.

Ray Taft

Liberal privilege allows progressives to tell conservatives to go away and shut up, while lecturing us that no one should tell them they might be wrong and therefore irrelevant.

Liberals ruthlessly attack conservatives on college campuses, on MSM media, in public places, and in print where the goal is to silence them forever. The only opinion that matters to progressives is theirs. They are totally uninterested in the progressive view. An opposing view is wrong and irrelevant to liberals. It should not be uttered. Liberals believe they are righteous, and conservatives are evil. To liberals, their progressive view is the only view that should be allowed.

Vote Republican this election if you want free speech and freedom of thought because Democrats will not allow you to have either.

Bill Broussard

Unless, of course, you have a security clearance and have either said something disturbing to conservatives or someone imagines you have said something.

Acts like a public hit list put a shadow on conservatives---those that act like that and those who tolerate it. Speech is speech, but action and inaction is another thing entirely.
I am surprised that John McCain hasn't had his security clearance pulled but then it might because ( as one conservative said) "he'll die soon anyway"-- non-hero that he is.
"By there acts you shall know them"--was the guy who said that a conservative or progressive? Doesn't matter: he was going to "die soon anyway.
These are very sad times for those of us who thought they understood and could get behind conservative thought.

Carlos Ponce

The Supreme Court established that the executive branch can revoke security clearances under "Department of the Navy v. Egan" no reason necessary.
Does John Brennan need a security clearance in his current job? I costs the government money to maintain unneeded security clearances. That's why the Obama administration chose to clear the rolls of former government employees of security clearances. See
"White House orders review of 5 million security clearances" November 2013
https://www.rt.com/usa/clapper-demands-security-clearance-review-173/
And what happened under his watch as CIA director? See
"CIA director John Brennan apologizes for search of Senate committee’s computers"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-director-john-brennan-apologizes-for-search-of-senate-computers/2014/07/31/28004b18-18c6-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html?utm_term=.887f2cc334e5
After the incident, Senator Mark Udall (D-CO) stated he had "lost confidence in Brennan".
"John Brennan defends CIA after torture report in rare press conference"
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/11/politics/john-brennan-defends-cia-after-torture-report/index.html
"Meanwhile, one of Brennan's sharpest critics, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the chairwoman of the committee behind the report, live-tweeted along with the press conference and sharply rebutted several points throughout his press conference."

Bill Broussard

Carlos: You are and have been our Bill Buckley on the blogs. However, you do drift from time to time into fogging the issue.

Yes I am familiar with the law: A dear friend was Chairman of Lockheed Aerospace ( the company responsible for the Shuttle turn-around) and spoke frequently about how security clearances were discretionary and laughed about how many folk worked for him with higher security clearances so he could not determine what they actually did.

Yes, Brennan probably does not need a clearance and all of the misfortunes you listed did happen-- many under conservative presidents who gave the order. But the moment you started your dossier on Brennan you moved from logical argument to politics.

But in the end it boils down to what the NRA has said for years "Guns don't kill people; people kill people."

To paraphrase: Laws don't suppress people; people who use laws suppress people.

Its the actions and intent of the use of law I find disappointing. If all of your reasoning is valid (and not just one more excuse for an almost flagrant abuse of power) why not do what Obama did and whipe the slate clean? Why publicize a hit list of people who are so "special" they require punishment? Why not Dick Chaney also based on your webpages?

Your argument is about law plus the dead guy. I have no problem with that as far as it goes. Mine is (the now defunct notion on my part) that we are a country of law with equal protection and about the personalization of the application of law in an onslaught against hand- chosen people. I don't think we are talking about the same thing any more than if I say "I shot somebody, my gun didn't" and you say, "that nuance is irrelevant, did he/she deserve it?" Two very different topics.

My gun is legal and my responsibility for use (good or bad) is mine as the law points out. Shifting our judgment to the dead guy is fog when it is simply a question of "who used that lawful gun for killing?"

BTW: if it still remains true, I learned in 7th grade that law is established in three basic ways in the US.

1) Act of Congress
2) Judgment of the courts
3) Tradition and practice

I think the use of removing security clearances gets a check for Act of Congress and a check for Judgment of the Courts but an F when it comes to personalizing the removal by virtue of speech and dislike.

Carlos Ponce

Bill, my first line "The Supreme Court established that the executive branch can revoke security clearances under "Department of the Navy v. Egan" no reason necessary."

Gary Miller

Revoking Brennan's security clearance ended his multi million $ deal to lobby for China.

George Croix

Bill, you're way too smart for that.
Brennan may well be the worst abuser of a national security clearance in your and my lifetime....the FBI and the Justice Dpartment have already given him a pass for routinely lying to them, and us, even under oath, which is a federal crime(s).
He deserves, greatly, to be out of any loop.
If anyone else had cancelled him out, nobody would say a word.
BUT so do dozens if not hundreds of others of ALL political persuasions deserve revocation, no longer employees of the government, or the voters, and certainly those who have been gone so long their 'sharing' experience reasons have become moot as time has changed the game(s).
National security is not supposed to feed book selling tours......
IMO, as always......

Bill Broussard

"If anyone else had cancelled him out, nobody would say a word.
BUT so do dozens if not hundreds of others of ALL political persuasions deserve revocation, no longer employees of the government, or the voters, and certainly those who have been gone so long their 'sharing' experience reasons have become moot as time has changed the game(s)."

That may be true George so lets watch and see of the slate gets cleaned like you suggest.

I think NSC has many other uses other than book signings. Dick Chaney at Halliburton comes to mind. It says something about the degree to which a person has been background checked. It allows someone who has executive talent to sit on boards that discuss the finances and products sold to the Government so they can function in a Board manner ( Chaney). Its not unlike wearing a war medal. I see no problem in that use and a lot of good it can do for us as a nation.

Matter of fact, I simply cannot think of a case where National Security Clearance was the main adverting pitch at a book signing. Maybe you can.

My concern is that revocation has become so personal and not just to Brennan. Unfortunately, the list is much longer.
I like your idea: Take em all away once they leave and re-apply. But I don't think that will happen.

George Croix

Hope springs eternal with me on the subject, Bill.
I know for quite some time after officially retiring the first time and the second and third times, and each time having unlimited access to the units I was on, I'd get calls and questions and happily assist anyone any way I could, as sometimes in that line of work some odd thing would occur or some unconventional fix would work and there would be only the personla experience of one person witnessing it. I imagine such is the INTENT of NSC credentials.
If I'd used my knowledge of Company proprietary info, though, to turn an outside profit or reveal to the press/news or belittle the Plant Manager, I'd have been in dutch.....
That's how I see Brenna, and some other equally slimey actors.
Now, 7 years after last retirement, it's pretty safe to say my info and experience are dated to the point of little to no use.
That's how I see it for government NASC holders, too.....

George Croix

Ya know, I took typing class in 11th grade and didn't learn squat.....!!!!![sad][sad]

Gary Miller

Carlos and Ray. First two posters post responses indicating they have paid attention to how Progressives attempt to shut down any and all opinion other than the Progressive line. I used the term Evolution in the letter referred to because evolution is a very slow non reversal process. Unlike Revolution which can reverse directions daily. The conservative EVOLUTION of America began with Goldwater and today there are less than 1/4 as many progressive office holders as there were in his time. The greatest loss has been during Nancy Pelosi's time as the democratic voice in the House of Rep.

Diane Turski

Thank you, Mr. Evins, for reminding everyone what democracy really means for all of our country's citizens! I also encourage people to accurately inform themselves from credible sources and vote for those who will preserve and protect our democracy!!

Steve Fouga

Thank you, Mr. Evins, for such a thoughtful column. You expressed my own views better than I could have! [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

George Croix

In most things it's better to have different inputs and outputs and personal opinions being added to the discourse and actions mix.
Not all.
The Constitution, which is what SCOTUS (and the rest of the nation's courts and judges) are supposed go by, is not politically ideological toward any Parties. It's a blueprint for a nation as a whole. As such, there should be no need to even KNOW what the political background of the judges is/are. Much less ask/litmus test any how they'd rule when each case is unique.
Heavy on that word 'should', as it doesn't take very long at all to look up and discover which members DO manage to 'find' things in that Document above and beyond what is written in it to further their own personal beliefs.
It's MY personal belief...mine...that it's FAR more common for the Left to consider the Constitution as 'evolving' rather than just applying it as is.
For instance, the 1st Amendment is the bedrock of this nation, and the 2nd is what keeps the 1st from being overly abused if not removed.....as the Founders were smart enough tio realize that talking is only as free as the ability to defend said right. One can read them both in plain language right there in the wordings written down. Yet, there's not Word 1 in the Constitution giving people the 'choice' to kill others for their personal convenience, as but one example......
This nation is now so divided and polarized it will NEVER return to what it was where one could disagree without a bunch oif idiots attacking them or screaming at their family or trying to ruin their lives.
The trick now is to salvage as much of the Constitution as possible for as long as possible.
Ask yourselves who is most likley to do that......

Gary Miller

I too many courts unconstitutional has become what the Progressive judge decides not what is written in the constitution.

George Croix

ps:
Amazing.
Ms. Turski, I give you credit for a lot of guts to talk about preserving and protecting our democracy while a big 'resistance' member yourself, which is doing anything but what you say you support.
Our DEMOCRACY elected Donald Trump.
Lest it be forgotten......
Credible sources???
That's pretty funny....imo......

Steve Fouga

We're about to find out our democracy did NOT elect Trump.

Carlos Ponce

If Mueller and Rosenstein cannot prove that, I doubt if Steve Fouga can.
"The indictment does not say that Russia changed the outcome of the election, a fact that Mr. Rosenstein noted repeatedly. American intelligence officials have said they have no way of calculating the effect of the Russian influence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indicted-mueller-election-interference.html
"There is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election." - Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/mueller-russia-indictments-election-interference/index.html

George Croix

Complete and utter baloney.
Even IF it was true, you'd have to blame your buddy Obama, et al, for knowing about 2016 election meddling and letting it happen anyway because he thought Hillary would win. AND there'd have to be some evidence, even a smidgen, that the actual vote tallies were interferred with, something NOBODY, not even Mueller and Company, claims, and which even that guardian of self-interest Obama claimed, on video, was impossible, and anyone was foolish to say an election could be hacked.

You want your cake and eat it, too......
Sounds way too much like the 'resistance'.....
Don't go there.....no one should aspire to, and daily practice, derangement......

Bill Broussard

George and Carlos: Very serious here. I know nothing about "the resistance" you refer to. if you would send me links, I'd appreciate it. Has it the status of a Not For Profit or is it just a word people use?

Carlos Ponce

"I know nothing about "the resistance" you refer to."
Is this a Sgt Shultz "I know nothing"? If true your news source is woefully inadequate.[rolleyes]
"Your Guide to the Sprawling New Anti-Trump Resistance Movement"
https://www.thenation.com/article/your-guide-to-the-sprawling-new-anti-trump-resistance-movement/
"Resistance to Donald Trump begins to grow with local roots"
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/resistance-to-donald-trump-begins-to-grow-with-local-roots-847928899692?v=raila
"Welcome to the Resistance "
https://www.advocate.com/election/2016/11/11/welcome-resistance
"Meet the Leaders of the Trump Resistance "
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/meet-the-leaders-of-the-trump-resistance-124691/
"Tough Times for the Resistance"
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/donald-tump-resistance-life-not-all-about-president/

George Croix

Bill, it's the self-assigned, by them, 'battle cry' of the folks who just can't get over the fact that Hillary was an even worse candidate than Trump, twice, and who HAVE to have something to cling to to pretend that the election was not legitimate, so invent 'Russian collusion' by Trump, and then pretend the Rooskies robbed their candidate of choice. There's millions of 'em. They like to wail and moan about dishonesty and abusive language while calling anyone disagreeing with them Nazis and screaming in the faces of people's families and even attacking physically people who support Trump. So many pots have never called so many kettles black......
It's all quite 'progressive', but with an added element of derangement like I've not seen in my lifetime...makes Bush Syndrome positively tame, and even Nixon was never reviled as much, and there was a good reason to revile that sonuva whatever.
Of course, all this while their own candidate DID collude with the Ukranians and with Fusion GPS for a phony dossier and with top FBI and Justice Dept. people who had odd ideas about the Constitution and who DID rake in millions from the Russians and so on.....
Bill, summarized, the 'resistance' is a mirror image of sanity and reality.......
Of course, as always, imo......[whistling]

George Croix

ps:
Bill, My answer was rushed because I'm in a rush, but be assured I mean no snark or any such. You asked a straight up question and I answered as straight as my lousy typing and spelling and rushing allowed.
Thanks for being interested.

Gary Miller

Obama knew HRC was buying Putin's help and was OK with it because he hoped and believed she would win.

Steve Fouga

It's still early days, guys. Be patient.

Jim Forsythe

Steve, time for a song.
Skillet - The Resistance [Official Audio]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWmHbpD0fE


Steve Fouga

Great song! It reminds me a little of Linkin Park. The female vocal really adds.

This would make a pretty good theme for the "resistance" that George talks about. 🎶

Randy Chapman

Yes, our democracy did elect Trump, via the Electoral College, and that will never change.

Steve Fouga

Well, he will always be considered to have been elected president, but what would you say if it were revealed he committed crimes in order to be elected? Or that he was aided by an adversarial foreign power with his knowledge? Or if his campaign participated in an effort by a foreign power to influence the election? Would you still say our democracy elected Trump?

Of course none of those circumstances have been proven, but what if they were? 🤔

Carlos Ponce

Donald Trump is the President duly elected under the Constitution and laws of the United States.
Barack Hussein Obama said; "STOP WHINING!" "It happens to be based on no fact. Every expert regardless of political party... who has ever examined these issues in a serious way will tell you that instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found. Keep in mind elections are run by state and local officials."
Is Steve saying Barack Obama was wrong?

Steve Fouga

No, I didn't even consider Obama. Besides, times change. Russians get involved. We get a crooked candidate. Things might be different this time, Carlos. We'll just have to wait and see.

Carlos Ponce

Steve, look at history. The Russians and Soviets before them have been interfering with American politics for decades. They even favored Kennedy over Nixon in 1960. The Russians favored Bernie over Hillary as well. Look for Democrats to cry foul every time they loose an election.
"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep..."

George Croix

Might say the same thing YOU have Steve about the crimes Hillary is KNOWN to have committed and the collusion the DNC is KNOWN to have engaged in with foreigners.

"Who cares"......??

Christopher Smith

Great column. Thank you Mr. Evins.

Brian Tamney

Ok Steve what law do you propose he broke. And how exactly did a foreign government aid him? Lots of accusations but no parriculars.

Steve Fouga

1) Campaign finance law and the law that says it's illegal to conspire with a foreign entity to influence a U.S. election.

2) A foreign government may have aided him by hacking Democratic Party computers. It may have provided illegal campaign donations. It may have planted bots and used trolls on social media in an attempt to rally the Republican vote.

We'll have to see. We don't know what evidence Mueller has, or if he even has evidence. I think he does. Other's on this forum think he doesn't.

Carlos Ponce

So what about Mexican interference in the United States election? Multimedios television aired through cable and broadcast over the air in several markets including Houston. They encouraged their viewers to vote, even non-citizens. And they did not favor Trump. Even Galveston County recorded non-citizen voting that became evident when a man was called for jury duty only to claimed he was not a citizen but then complained when he was removed from the voter rolls. He had voted previously in local elections.

Jim Forsythe

"Mexican interference in the United States election" did they hide the fact that they were ads?
“I believe that Mr. Cohen has direct knowledge that would be of interest to Mr. Mueller that suggests — I’m not sure it proves — that Mr. Trump was aware of Russian government agents hacking illegally, committing computer crimes, to the detriment of the candidate who he was running against, Hillary Clinton,” Lanny Davis, an attorney and spokesman for Cohen told PBS’s “News Hour” Wednesday.
In June, New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood filed suit against Trump and his three eldest children, alleging “persistently illegal conduct” at the president’s personal charity. She also sent letters to the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Election Commission in which she identified what she called “possible violations” of tax law and federal campaign law by Trump’s foundation.
Cohen had no formal role at the foundation, but he had wide knowledge of the president’s and his family’s affairs. He also played one known role in a Trump Foundation matter: arranging for a Ukranian steel magnate, Victor Pinchuk, to donate $150,000 to Trump’s foundation in 2015.

"Galveston County recorded non-citizen voting" Every expert regardless of political party... who has ever examined these issues in a serious way will tell you that instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found. Keep in mind elections are run by state and local officials."
Potentially more significant, Lanny Davis, an attorney and spokesman for Cohen repeatedly said Cohen would be willing to assist special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in his investigation into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the election and suggested that Cohen may be able to tell Mueller that Trump had advance knowledge of the hacking of Democratic emails.

Steve Fouga

If it turns out that Hillary conspired with Mexican citizens to influence a U.S. election, she should be prosecuted for it.

George Croix

1) Then the DNC and Hillary need to be the subjects of Special Prosecution, as we already KNOW they were deeplu involved as such before and after the election.

2) 'May'?? Where's the proof after 2 years?? You personally 'may' be beating your relatives with abaseball bat or 'may' be a shoplifter....that's how baseless inuendo works....
We KNOW the Democrat computers were hacked and the Republican ones but only the Republicans gave the fBI access to their servers to investigate that....the Democrats REFUSED the FBI access to their servers - reckon why?

If he has evidence after 2 years, then he's holding it until after the midterms...which would be the same politically motivated and outright slimey thing Obama,. et al, did in 2016......
So far, he's found evidence that 2 guys engaged in shady dealings over a decade ago.....I'm not very good at math, but I think that was before Trump ever even announce a dark horse run.......

Bill Broussard

George: You know I love ya but the last post is not exactly true. All of the stuff that Cohn pled to (guilty as charged) well, much happened days, weeks before the election. This is Choen not being tied on those matters but Cohen pleading guilty to them There are also about six or more guilty pleas and about 12 indictments. Its a bit bigger than your assertion. Overall, the entire process very muddy and very drug out. I think what most of us are responding to (I know I am) is the pressure we all feel about such a long resolution to an important set of information.
But in this case, the indictments, guilty please and possible charges mount almost weekly now among a broader and broader set of players I wish it were as you said, frankly. It would be over by now.

Bill Broussard

I too obviously took typing in the 11th grade with the same results you got, George.

George Croix

My bad, Bill, I should have specified it has squat to do with Mueller's collusion hunt.
Or should I say attempted coup by proxy??[beam][beam][beam]
Anyway, I don't excuse ANY crimes by these two guys, or about 80% of the last Admin., either.....try 'em all and if guilty punish them.
But you know as well as I, half or about that of this spectacle is all about optics (no pun) preceeding the coming elections. As long as Joe Average, who doesn't even know what Congress is, can be kept thinking that it's all about the Rooskies the better for the now minority Party in November.
My guess is along about end December or early January after Speaker Pelosi takes over the investigation will begin to break up and go away.....
Maybe....

Steve Fouga

George says: "If he has evidence after 2 years, then he's holding it until after the midterms..."

This may be the case. It is justice Department policy to do nothing that might influence an election. (Jim Comey obviously violated that tradition in releasing opinion that aided Trump.)

George Croix

"It is justice Department policy to do nothing that might influence an election.'"
Yeah? S that;s why Obama did squat about Russian meddling, but now is on the accusations bandwagon with others of like mindless.....???/
Sure.
Well, heck, by that standard, then it could be held forever, as there's only two years between elections, and it's already BEEN 2 since this TOTALLY one-sided crap started. I was kinda OK with letting it play out until the Sen. Dianne Feinstein Chinese Spy for 20 Years story came out (no thanks initially to the mainstream news). That's REAL direct connection to foreign intelligence by a Senator, and the FBI in that case notified her, worked with her, and allowed her to get rid of the guy. No charges on or endless investigation for her......
But, they did NO such thing with Trump. Nobody said a word to his team before putting FBI/Justice Dept. spies into it (an 'informant' by any other name...) and now he's under a 2 year long fishing expedition, for a LOT LESS than we KNOW the good Senator was involved in.
MASSIVE double standard.
But, big surprise with that........
The entire 'resistance' is about massive double standard.....

Gary Miller

Lanny Davis is a lawyers lawyer. Never offer the truth if there is a more useful lie available. Lawyers are always loyal to the biggest retainer.

Jim Forsythe

How many people in Cohen fix,would not have a Lawyer?
Trump said he would hire the best people, so Cohen must be one of the best.
Remember, "truth isn't truth" if you believe what Rudy said.
January 19, 2017
Michael Cohen, an executive vice president at the Trump Organization and longtime consigliere to Donald Trump, has a new gig: personal attorney to the incoming president of the United States.
Cohen made the announcement with his daughter, Samantha, during an interview Thursday with Fox News on the balcony of K&L Gates’ Washington, D.C. office. Cohen was there for a pre-inauguration event at which he was honored by Amer-I-can — a charity started by NFL Hall-of-Famer Jim Brown — along with other Trump loyalists such as Omarosa Manigault and Bruce Levell.

Carlos Ponce

Cohen was hired primarily as Trumps's lawyer years before his candidacy. Trump has several "personal" lawyers. Cohen just tales care of his real estate investments.

Bill Broussard

Carlos: The tape Cohen let slip out regarding the payment to quiet someone just previous to the election suggests the guy wove himself into the orgainization in a more fundamental way. The summons to testify under oath from the investigation that is looking into the Trump Foundation appears to have Cohen as a more fundamental lawyer than just real-estate. Plus, as you noted, he's been around a long time.

Unless a company is traded on the NYSE in an enterprise the size of Trumps managing a privately-held company of that size---its almost impossible to operate without doing a few things that people would consider off-the-books. In a public company, the presidents indiscretions might be overlooked----too many stakeholders and too much public reporting.

My own view is pretty sophomoric: If ANYONE attacked both Federal Law Enforcement and the Press well before either of those two start looking at you, you might as well put a gun to your head. That was the case with Nixon and with Clinton. During the campaign, I often felt sick to my stomach knowing a candidate who has so much history and assets to look into was repeatedly going after entities that should be friends. Once they get serous about his business enterprises, they will nibble away at the edges and file cases-- some of which will fizzle and some of which will take. Not that he's a criminal but because you simply cannot operate privately enterprises that big without making mistakes.

Despite preferences and ideology, this is not going to end well.

Jim Forsythe

Cohen did more than take care of Trump real estate investments. He was his fixer.
Trump himself has insisted to associates in recent months that Cohen was only a minor player in his business. But he was understating what Cohen did for him. Maybe Trump will take a bullet for him.
July 2, 2018
The new assessments of his role in Trump's world stand in contrast to years of company profiles that depicted Cohen as a close adviser entrusted with all manner of sensitive and personal tasks, and as a confidant not just of Trump but of his eldest children, Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric.
In a May interview, for instance, Giuliani told Stephanopoulos that Cohen was routinely asked to handle issues that could pose personal embarrassment to Trump, such as the claim of an affair from adult-film actress Stormy Daniels.
Trump has denied the affair, but Cohen directed that Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, be paid $130,000 just before the November 2016 election to ensure her silence.
"The agreement with Michael Cohen, as far as I know, is a long-standing agreement that Michael Cohen takes care of situations like this, then gets paid for them sometimes," Giuliani said then.

Carlos Ponce

"He was his fixer."
'Trump said he doesn't know where that term came from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuwK1QipDDg
Trump says he has several lawyers in this interview.

Carlos Ponce

Bill " The tape Cohen let slip out..." What's the tape referring to? Not enough there to draw a conclusion. Write a check for property? Was it about alimony for Ivana? They talk about "one fifty". Stormy was allegedly paid "one hundred thirty thousand dollars", not "one fifty". They could be talking about something completely different than what is being reported. Check the WAPO transcript:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/24/the-trump-michael-cohen-tape-transcript-annotated/?utm_term=.d843517346d5

Jim Forsythe

The two men discuss the possible revelation of a 10-month affair between Trump and Karen McDougal in 2006-2007, soon after Trump’s marriage to Melania Knauss and the birth of their son Barron.
McDougal sold her account to National Enquirer for $150,000, whose CEO David Pecker is a close friend of Trump’s. The tabloid then effectively killed the story by refusing to publish it, and McDougal — bound by an exclusive agreement — could not speak about the matter.
In the audio — the first of 12 that has been approved for court proceedings as Cohen faces criminal charges over financial affairs — the lawyer refers to the agreement with Pecker to hush up the episode, “Um, I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David.”
Trump then refers to the reimbursement of Pecker, “So what do you got to pay for this…150….”
“Yes,” Cohen replies. “Um, and it’s all the stuff.”

George Croix

It sure looks like Trump may have made a mistake by not waiting until he got elected President to do his alley-catting. Then, he could have done it right in the Oval Office and the perpetually one-way offended folks wouldn't care......[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Carlos Ponce

Jim, you got all that from that snippet? Incredible - as in NOT CREDIBLE!

Mike Zeller

Carlos, if you continue to trust YOUR news sources, you will continue to be surprised.

Jim Forsythe

Trump should have learned from Clinton, it's not the sex that get's you in trouble, but not telling the truth about it, that can do you in..
U.S. President Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen testified on Tuesday that Trump had directed him to commit a crime by arranging payments ahead of the 2016 presidential election to silence two women who said they had affairs with Trump.
Cohen told Judge William Pauley III that “in coordination with, and at the direction of, a candidate for federal office” he arranged payments to two women for their silence “for the principal purpose of influencing the election.”
Adult-film star Stormy Daniels was given $130,000 and former Playboy model Karen McDougal was paid $150,000.

Jim Forsythe

The link you gave to the Washington post is a pay site.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, I don't pay and I get through. With God all things are possible. Here it is:

TRUMP: [In background] Good. Let me know what’s happening, okay? Oh, oh. Maybe because of this it would be better if you didn’t go, you know? Maybe because of this. For that one, you know -- I think what you should do is get rid of this. Because it’s so false what they’re saying, it’s such bulls---. Um. [PAUSE] I think, I think this goes away quickly. I think what — I think it’s probably better to do the Charleston thing, just this time. Uh, yeah. In two weeks, it’s fine. I think right now it’s, it’s better. You know? Okay, hun. You take care of yourself. Thanks, [Unintelligible]. Yup, I’m proud of you. So long. Bye.

[Into phone] What’s happening?

COHEN: Great poll, by the way.

TRUMP: Yeah?

COHEN: Seen it. Great poll.

TRUMP: Making progress.

COHEN: Big time.

TRUMP: And, your guy is a good guy. He’s a good —

COHEN: Who, Pastor Scott?

TRUMP: Can’t believe this. No, Pastor Scott. What’s, what’s happening —

COHEN: No —

TRUMP: Can we use him anymore?

COHEN: Oh, yeah, a hundred — no, you’re talking about Mark Burns. He’s, we’ve told him to [UNINTELLIGIBLE].

TRUMP: I don’t need that — Mark Burns, are we using him?

COHEN: No, no.

FEMALE: Richard [UNINTELLIGIBLE]. I’m sorry, Richard [UNINTELLIGIBLE] just called. He — just when you have a chance, he had an idea for you.

TRUMP: Okay, great.

COHEN: Um, so, we got served from the New York Times. I told you this — we were …

TRUMP: To what?

COHEN: … To unseal the divorce papers with Ivana. Um, we’re fighting it. Um, [Trump attorney Marc] Kasowitz is going to —

TRUMP: They should never be able to get that done.

COHEN: Never. Never. Kasowitz doesn’t think they’ll ever be able to. They don’t have a —

TRUMP: Get me a Coke, please!

COHEN: They don’t have a legitimate purpose, so —

TRUMP: And you have a woman that doesn’t want 'em unsealed.

COHEN: Correct.

TRUMP: Who you’ve been handling.

COHEN: Yes. And —

TRUMP: And it’s been going on for a while.

COHEN: About two, three weeks now.

TRUMP: All you’ve got to do is delay for —

COHEN: Even after that, it’s not going to ever be opened. There’s no, there’s no purpose for it. Um, told you about Charleston. Um, I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend, David, you know, so that — I’m going to do that right away. I’ve actually come up and I’ve spoken —

TRUMP: Give it to me and [UNINTELLIGIBLE].

COHEN: And, I’ve spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with ...

TRUMP: So, what do we got to pay for this? One-fifty?

COHEN: … funding. Yes. Um, and it’s all the stuff.

TRUMP: Yeah, I was thinking about that.

COHEN: All the stuff. Because — here, you never know where that company — you never know what he’s —

TRUMP: Maybe he gets hit by a truck.

COHEN: Correct. So, I’m all over that. And, I spoke to Allen about it, when it comes time for the financing, which will be —

TRUMP: Wait a sec, what financing?

COHEN: Well, I’ll have to pay him something.

TRUMP: [UNINTELLIGIBLE] pay with cash ...

COHEN: No, no, no, no, no. I got it.

TRUMP: ... check.

[Tape cuts off abruptly. Separate recording begins.]

MALE: Hey Don, how are you?

Carlos Ponce

Mike posts "Carlos, if you continue to trust YOUR news sources, you will continue to be surprised."
Remember the circled saying painted on the sidewalk in front of the one-story building at HHS on Neville? It was a Bulldog encircled by "Let God show us the way to Knowledge." A picture of it is found on Page 7 of the 1972 Bulldog Barks Yearbook.
I trust my source. I trust God.

Jim Forsythe

I forgot , you go in the backdoor and do not pay for the Washington post. I will not do that.

Carlos Ponce

I used no back door, Jim. I did a web search (Yahoo.com in this instance) clicked on the WAPO link provided for my search and I'm there. Maybe it's Divine Intervention. [innocent]

Carlos Ponce

Curious. Does any other reader have the same problem Jim does? I go to the WAPO link I provided in my post and I'm there. He tries to go there and is apparently asked to pay. No backdoor is used.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, I use a Windows 10 OS and Firefox as my web browser. Maybe that makes a difference.

Jim Forsythe


February 15, 2017
If you have Amazon Prime or a .edu, .gov or .mil email, you could be missing out on a free digital subscription to The Washington Post.
The news site has a paywall that limits the number of articles non-subscribers can read each month before being blocked. With so much news right now, you could easily find yourself blocked much sooner than you wanted.

Jim Forsythe

What you are using is called a lifehack or the group lifehack.. It a way to not pay for a product, that someone is selling. If you are happy doing it, go ahead.
It like , if someone told you how to get to the dark web (I could, but do not ask), I would hope you would not, as it is not a good place to be.

Carlos Ponce

Not using anything like that. Just browsing and clicking.

Jim Forsythe

t's not going to say , you are using a lifehack or any other type system.

Carlos Ponce

No lifehack.

George Croix

Inuendo is a powerful tool and he's very good at dropping a lot of it.....

Bill Broussard

As I noted earlier, this is not going to end well even if Sessions is fired.

"Longtime Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg has been granted immunity in the Michael Cohen probe, becoming the latest figure close to President Trump to cooperate with investigators in exchange for leniency for himself. Weisselberg follows Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, George Papadopoulos, David Pecker and, of course, Cohen.
But the latest news is potentially even bigger than its predecessors. And that's because none of these other figures can likely hold a candle to Weisselberg when it comes to knowing about any skeletons in Trump's closet.
Weisselberg's name first came up after the Trump-Michael Cohen tape became public last month; he was invoked twice in Cohen's taped conversation with Trump about buying the rights to former Playboy model Karen McDougal's story. At the time, we quickly learned he had been subpoenaed. Now, we know he cut a deal to cooperate."

Carlos Ponce

[yawn]

George Croix

Yep.
Think of the implications for the future.
From now on, any person who wins an election but is unpopular with the higher ups in the Dept. of Justice may find themselves the subject of a soft coup, and attempted removal or deligitimization, where anybody they ever knew might be coerced, tricked, or simply 'convinced' (ahem....) to tell all they know or ever did know, rather than face jail time for a LOT less than anybody else would ever face.
Pandora wasn't happy after opening the box...we'll see if the left is so happy down the road on this one.....like, when Pres. Chelsea Clinton and the Foundation doings come into scrutiny.....[beam][beam][beam]

Steve Fouga

George, think about why this is happening now, and has never happened before. The ability to do what is being done has always existed, but has never been put into play. It took Trump to drive prosecutors to these lengths; only Nixon has come close in the past. We've had 45 presidents, and only one has received this kind of scrutiny. When are you going to realize that it is HE who caused the uproar? Not the 'resistance,' not the Democrats, not Trump's own justice Department, but Trump himself.

As for the future, I agree with you. From now on, presidents, members of congress, appointees, ALL OF THEM, will be held to a tougher standard. Hopefully it'll be a long time before we elect another crooked and possibly treasonous president. If so, a few years of Trump will have been worth it.

Carlos Ponce

Why is it happening now? Hillary promised a lot to her loyal supporters even keeping their cabinet positions including attorney general. The money was already spent when the news came in Hillary LOST!

Steve Fouga

By the way, Carlos, if Hillary HAD won, she would be subjected to similar scrutiny. Why? Because of skeletons in her closet. Maybe not a special prosecutor, but definitely years of investigations by a Republican congress. It would be a feeding frenzy for as long as she remained in office.

Carlos Ponce

Doubtful. She would have kept the same crew at AG, DOJ and FBI responsible for sweeping her shenanigans under the rug.

George Croix

You're right, Steve.
HE, Trump, defeated Hillary. A rank beginner beat the 30 year political whiz girl, and persevered even with the last Admin. KNOWING the pre-election was being messed with and doing nothing...zero...about it.
It's happening because Doanld Trump beat Hillaey Clinton, who was poised to win and then cover up all the shady Fusion GPS and 'dossier' and FBI and Justice Dept. top dogs doings, and never mention that the ex-Presodent KNEW about Russian meddling - all that was to go away quietly under her reign.
When are YOU going to realize that Trump's sin, his crime, that started the 'resistance' and fuels every attempted 'revelation' is he had the audacity to win, and by doing so, the people complicit in an actual INTERNAL attempt to 'rig' the last election in their favor are at risk now, ergo, keep counter-striking and hope to regain Congress in November, then it all goes away again......
The BIGGEST crook(s) we've ever had in or running for Office was, and is, Hillary Clinton, et al, and their slush fund foundation. Next time you need to buy some uranium, well,........
I think you're absolutely wrong again about all future elected folks being held to a tougher standard......we haven't held the ones we already KNOW have committed hundreds if not thousands of felonies responsible for squat - they get a pass.....it's all very 'progressive'....the left...imo...has NO standard except power.....
Even Stevie Wonder could see that.....
Nixon?
His big crime was paranoia and having people burglarize opposition offices, then using the IRS to threaten them. Lost his job over it.
Yet, he never was accused of and guilty of letting Top Secret and even Special Access classified materials flaot around willy-nilly and get obtained by foreign powers, and EACH act of that is a federal felony. And his IRS use to punish iopposition is EXACTLY what Obama did to limit the influence of conservative groups, yet he made 8 years.....
Trump cauxsed the uproar?
Yeah.
He won.
Guilty as charged.

Jim Forsythe

If investigations do not happen, we will continue to hear about it, examples, Hillary and Bush.
Calls for impeachment is nothing new. Impeachment of Trump may happen, but removal will not. Chance of impeachment of Trump happening, is small.
During Barack Obama's tenure as President of the United States from 2009 to 2017, certain Republican members of Congress, as well as Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich, stated that Obama had engaged in impeachable activity and that he might face attempts to remove him from office. Rationales offered for possible impeachment included false claims that Obama was born outside the United States, that he allegedly allowed people to use bathrooms based on their gender identity, an alleged White House cover-up after the 2012 Benghazi attack and failure to enforce immigration laws. No list of articles of impeachment was ever drawn up and proposed to the Judiciary Committee. Multiple surveys of U.S. public opinion found that the clear majority of Americans rejected the idea of impeaching Obama, while a majority of Republicans were in favor; for example, CNN found in July 2014 that 57% of Republicans supported efforts while about two thirds of adult Americans in general disagreed.

During the presidency of George W. Bush, several American politicians sought to either investigate Bush for allegedly impeachable offenses, or to bring actual impeachment charges on the floor of the United States House of Representatives Judiciary Committee.

Steve Fouga

I have to admit I thought Trump stood a good chance of being impeached and removed by now, in a Republican attempt to smooth things over for the midterms, and to allow Pence to build momentum for the 2020 election.

As it stands, I agree there's little chance he'll be impeached. The Republicans apparently like him, and i doubt a thoughtful Democrat would prefer Pence to Trump.

Carlos Ponce

Pence will take office January 2025.

Carlos Ponce

"Chance of impeachment of Trump happening, is small." TRUE.
No charges of impeachment were ever filed against Obama while impeachment charges were filed against Bush and Trump.
"A House Democrat has filed the first articles of impeachment against President Trump"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/07/12/a-house-democrat-has-filed-the-first-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-trump/?utm_term=.db98287784d7
"Articles of Impeachment Filed Against Bush, In Congress"
https://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_matt_pas_061208_congresswoman_mckinn.htm
"House Republicans Schedule Obama Impeachment Hearings - FALSE"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-impeachment-hearings-begin/

Bill Broussard

Carlos: what follows is the kind of thing that disgusts me and please keep in mind I did not vote for Mr Clinton either time

“n 1998, Gingrich accused Clinton of degrading the presidency through the Monica Lewinsky investigation. “This has nothing to do with vendettas or witch-hunts or partisan advantage,” Gingrich said at the time. “This is very simply about the rule of law, and the survival of the American system of justice. This is what the Constitution demands, and what Richard Nixon had to resign over.”

Clinton was impeached later that year, in a vote largely along party lines, on charges of perjuryand obstruction of justice. The proceedings grew to focus too heavily on “salacious details,” Gingrich says now. Clinton was subsequently acquitted by the Senate — an outcome that Gingrich now considers appropriate. “It probably was the right result,” he says. “[Clinton] was primarily defined in history as an impeached president, which he deserved. And he did lose his right to practice law. He had to pay a big penalty, and people generally agree what he did was wrong. But on the other hand, it probably didn’t rise to the level of replacing the president of the United States.”

Gingrich does not think the Constitution “demands” similar action when it comes to Trump. “The argument of our whole case was that [Clinton], as governor, had imposed his will on a state employee and then committed perjury by lying about it. Now, perjury is a felony, and the question is: Is anybody about to suggest that Donald Trump has done something comparable? Federal election law rules don’t quite rise to the same level as exploiting his own employee,” he says. “Which one would you rank higher in dubiousness? That’s the problem the Democrats have.”

No Newt. He did not get impeached for any matter other than perjury or obstruction. You led it, you should know better than anyone. All the rest you added to make a back door for yourself and avoid a comparison I think you were disgusting then as I do now and think you more than most generated hostility and public opinion against my party in those days but it would seem you are up to your old tricks ! I don’t think this man has any principle or dignity. But I give him high marks on duplicity and hutzpa He sure had it right on Clinton’s China strategy

Carlos Ponce

Apples and oranges.

Bill Broussard

True unless there’s a similar charge. Then it becomes apples and apples. I’m talking about his very short memory of what he said and how he still alters the actual facts to suite him. I’m not smart enough to say apples and oranges. Perhaps you are
( Almost every time I write anything on this blog I get the image of a feverish google search burning gigs bites on google looking for some antiquated reference to send back instead of actually thinking. Here’s one to look up: anyone I ever met demonstrated within seconds our common humanity be showing that no matter the consequences anyone will gladly demonstrate they prefer to be right over happy).

Carlos Ponce

I never google.

Steve Fouga

Bill says: "Almost every time I write anything on this blog I get the image of a feverish google search burning gigs bites on google looking for some antiquated reference to send back instead of actually thinking."

Hahahahaha! AMEN, BILL! [thumbup][whistling]

Mike Zeller

Bill, the "apples and oranges" guy, is also very good at "cherry picking".[wink][beam][whistling][lol]

Carlos Ponce

I actually pick pears and tangerines from my trees, Mike. No cherry trees.

Bill Broussard

Sorry. Tangerines. I admit tangerines and cherries do look different and tangerines are South American

Jim Forsythe

All part of a fruit salad.

Bill Broussard

I hate to say this but it is in the zeitgeist. Carlos with your first name and picking pears and cherries, need to ask. Do you have a green card?

Carlos Ponce

No, I have a blue birth certificate issued in Texas City, Texas.
Question: Do you ask everyone with a Hispanic first name or surname if they have a "Green Card"? Liberals do have a tendency practicing identity politics.[whistling]

Bill Broussard

I vote republican usually. I was just following current protocols once the fruit picking came up.

Carlos Ponce

You may vote Republican - usually. But you post like a Liberal.

Bill Broussard

There is still room to think independently here. I like the new policy I despise the constant hateful blathering I dislike the folks who are criminals around Washington particularly because of the black eye they give our party and long for a quiet governing of our country. I don’t understand any idiot that wacks behaves and kicks sleeping bears instead of just getting the job done and I’m afraid of the decisiveness that is afoot

Most of all I wish for fedelity, country loyalty and mature governance. Just so you know I think the clintons has none of that. I think some folks on the outs right now do—-like Brennan and even Sessions in his awkward way

There you are Carlos. I do believe that “thinking” seriously these days is a little outside the capability of both parties

Carlos Ponce

"particularly because of the black eye they give our party"
Think of who is giving the Republican party the "black eye". It's not Trump. It's the swamp dwellers on both sides of the aisle. Funny how they cry "Bully!" when they are the bullies. I taught public school for thirty two years and discovered bullies can be stopped by hitting back which is what Trump is doing. It's not PC but it works.

Steve Fouga

Carlos says: "It's not Trump" that's giving the Republican Party a black eye.

That's incorrect; it IS Trump. BUT, the rest of the party deserves it for being so spineless. Despite holding the presidency, both houses of congress, and being blessed with a crookedly gained Supreme Court, the Republican Party is quite weak and vulnerable. The irony is that the Democrats are matching the Republicans, weakness for weakness. I can't remember seeing such a mess. Maybe the post-Watergate, Ford and Carter years...

Carlos Ponce

It is not Trump. He strikes back, not first.
And it goes back further than Watergate. Study History. President Eisenhower had trouble with Republicans in Congress. After years of fighting against Democrat presidents (Roosevelt and Truman) they knew no other way other than to oppose the Executive branch. Trump is having trouble with the swamp dwellers who sit on both sides of the aisle. Swamp dwellers loved the status quo. It kept them in power so party affiliation was not important.
Trump has loyalty to the people, not the party. Therein lies the problem.

Steve Fouga

We'll just have to disagree on this one, Carlos. If we had a president Kasich or Rubio right now, I don't think the Repubs would have much of a black eye.

Carlos Ponce

It doesn't matter who the Republican president is. Take a look at how they treated Ronald Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. Even Republican candidates Dole, McCain and Romney. As long as there is an R after their name, Liberals will ATTACK with relentless effort.

Jim Forsythe

Press is the fourth pillar of Democracy and with out the press, we would have a political system out of control.
No matter what party is in power, that party thinks the press is out to get them.
President Clinton received bad press all the time. White Water, Sex scandal and more.
President Obama was accused of not being born in the USA, that he was a Muslim, on so on.
Some examples of what was said,these are just a few.
Videos of bad news about obama
Rev. Wright = Bad News For Obama - CBS News
BREAKING News Out Of The FBI Shows BAD News For Obama …
These 7 subpoenas could be VERY bad news for Obama
Obama’s CIA Director John Brennan Gets Hit With BAD NEWS …
The next President will get the same treatment as the past Presidents have.
If a Person does not like being under the microscope that come from being President, they should not seek the office.

Carlos Ponce

Now weigh in the positive, raving, "thrill up my leg", coverage of Obama. His positive coverage outweighs his negative. On the other hand a Harvard study showed 91% negative coverage of Trump. No comparison.

Jim Forsythe

It's not that Trump get's more negative press, his followers just see it as picking on him. A lot of the bad press he get's, he brings on himself. Anytime a President calls people names, starts fights with other country's, has to keep changing out people because they quit or are doing illegal actives, tell the press that it is “ the enemy of the American people.”, tweets none facts, when he should not, he is not going to get good press.

If Clinton had won, she would have received heat from the press. No matter who wins in 2020, they will get negative press.

You can drag links up (from the press) that says how bad Trump has it, much of it is self inflicted and which now will increase. When you call the one's that control what is published, the enemy's, they become one.

Pew found that Mr. Obama was the subject of negative assessments nearly four times as often as he was the subject of positive assessments. It found he received "positive" coverage nine percent of the time, "neutral" coverage 57 percent of the time and "negative" coverage 34 percent of the time.

Carlos Ponce

"It's not that Trump get's more negative press.." WOW! My BS meter just went through the roof on that one!

Jim Forsythe

Anytime a President calls people names, starts fights with other country's, has to keep changing out people because they quit or are doing illegal actives, tell the press that it is “ the enemy of the American people.”, tweets none facts, when he should not, he is not going to get good press.

Carlos Ponce

"Anytime a President calls people names..."Study history. Name calling is nothing new and used by many presidents.John Adams called Thomas Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mullatto father.” President Obama called Trump a "carnival barker". A Democrat presidential candidate called me "deplorable".
"starts fights with other country's" Which country did he start a fight?

Jim Forsythe

To justify a President insulting people, because they did it in the past, is what bullies do.
You may not think so, but Trump insulted each of the following .
Iran, North Korea, China, Mexico, Australia, Germany, Canada.
When Obama talked about "sideshow" and "carnival barker" he did not say Trumps name. President Obama as he announced the release of his long-form birth certificate. "We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers," Mr. Obama said . The "sideshow" and "carnival barker" were uttered like epithets at those who have persisted with the birther claims over the last several months.
Mr. Obama concluded his remarks by acknowledging that some Americans will still question his Honolulu birth origins: "I know that there's going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest. But I'm speaking to the vast majority of the American people, as well as to the press. We do not have time for this kind of silliness."
One person that did call Trump a carnival barker was Ron Fournier. On "Media Buzz" today show, on Fox. (Ron Fournier is a conservative American national political journalist )
March 01, 2015
As for specific candidates at CPAC, they agreed that it was important for candidates like Jeb Bush and Chris Christie to face some of the tough questions, even if the event wasn't necessarily "their crowd."
Howard Kurtz mentioned Donald Trump, who has been flirting with a presidential run dating back to 1999. Trump has said that he's more serious this year and has even hired political staff.
"He may be more serious, but he's not a serious man," Fournier said. "If he runs for president, he's not going to be president. He's a carnival barker. We shouldn't take him very seriously ... He's not a serious presidential candidate."

Carlos Ponce

My BS meter is going crazy again.
"You may not think so, but Trump insulted each of the following .
Iran, North Korea, China, Mexico, Australia, Germany, Canada."
And.... so what? No biggie here. Iran, North Korea, China are countries which we have had trouble with long before Trump became president. Do you want the US to roll over and play dead? A HUGE part of Mexico's economy is taking advantage of their neighbor to the north. The income sent from from illegals is what keeps them going as are the unfair trade agreements made in the past. Germany needs to take a bigger role in defense of their own country. Obama urged them to pay more in NATO and got little in return. The bill is long due. And what's a bigger insult than the Obama administration electronically bugging the German chancellor Angela Merkel? And you have to remind me of what we did to Australia. No big deal here since nothing really comes to mind. The Land down Under is not a snowflake country. Just usual international sparring.

Jim Forsythe

Trump has said to other countries, what we have agreed to between us, is void. Why would they ever trust us again?
Starts trade wars, by installing tariffs
If you think this is a way to work with other countries, I can see why you are happy with what Trump has done.
This is just some of the things he has said or done.
Trump slams Canadian PM as 'dishonest and weak,' pulls back on G-7 communique endorsement
Trump thinks Canada has a President? This is not the only county that the Trump group has done this too.
Presidents must know how to address other leaders.
“Well as I’m sure you know, I’ve followed Canadian politics closely all my life,” Trump maintained. “And I think he’s done such damage to the Canadian presidency that they should rename it to like, prime minister or something more Canadian-sounding, like emir or emperor.”

Trump a poster-child for modern day male feminists, brags about strippers to Trudeau . He is also proud of Trump University. Trump thinks the following is a good thing to brag about.
The “self made” billionaire called on Trudeau to take “inspiration” from Trump’s own status as the poster-child for modern day male feminists. “Do you know how many strippers I have personally put through education at Trump University? Of course not,” he said, shaking his head. “All of those chicks are walking around now with doctorates! F---ing DOCTORATES! You literally can’t put a price on an education like that.”
This is how he talked to Trudeau, more locker room.


Bill Broussard

Carlos: how could a school teacher start fights with countries? Did you blog them into submission ? Place a tariff on ther responses? Pull their national security clearance? Extract unflattering snippets from their high school school history books and test them in it? Call them dogs and stupid on Twitter? Just how does a teacher provoke another nation?

Boy those Dems sure put out fake news everywhere. Next I’ll hear on Fox “ I got a very, very good relationship with Carlos. I think he likes me. He’s very,very smart. Very very smart for a libertarian. Reminds me of my other very, very good friend Ron.....,? that loyal congressman person“ 😂

By the way, Adams spewed that only after Jefferson slandered both Adams and Washington to such a degree that mrs Adams declined to have Jefferson at Washington’s funeral. I’m pretty sure that as a researching expert ( “that Carlos is very very smart. He’s the only other stable genius I know except I’m more stable”) you know they died dear friends on the same day with Adams last words “ Jefferson lives” and Jefferson passed away minutes later. I think your history lesson is a bit incomplete and kinda sullies those great men by using our current president in the same sentence

I hope we can reconcile as easily

Bill Broussard

Carlos this came from your blog and is what I was referring to above

“ A Democrat presidential candidate called me deplorable starts fights with other country's"

Perhaps it was a typo? I’ll retract the “very, very smart” wisecracks is so.

Carlos Ponce

Don't be such a snowflake.

Bill Broussard

Did you learn that from your students? Here’s one for ya: “I’m rubber your glue..... “ or if that’s not cool enough, let’s try “ talk to the hand”

Sorry folks, I’m out of here; my bone spur is acting up

Carlos Ponce

"Did you learn that from your students?" No.

Bill Broussard

Comments from another “snowflake:

Bill Broussard

“My fellow Americans, whom I have gratefully served for sixty years, and especially my fellow Arizonans,

“Thank you for the privilege of serving you and for the rewarding life that service in uniform and in public office has allowed me to lead. I have tried to serve our country honorably. I have made mistakes, but I hope my love for America will be weighed favorably against them.

“I have often observed that I am the luckiest person on earth. I feel that way even now as I prepare for the end of my life. I have loved my life, all of it. I have had experiences, adventures and friendships enough for ten satisfying lives, and I am so thankful. Like most people, I have regrets. But I would not trade a day of my life, in good or bad times, for the best day of anyone else’s.

“I owe that satisfaction to the love of my family. No man ever had a more loving wife or children he was prouder of than I am of mine. And I owe it to America. To be connected to America’s causes – liberty, equal justice, respect for the dignity of all people – brings happiness more sublime than life’s fleeting pleasures. Our identities and sense of worth are not circumscribed but enlarged by serving good causes bigger than ourselves.

“‘Fellow Americans’ – that association has meant more to me than any other. I lived and died a proud American. We are citizens of the world’s greatest republic, a nation of ideals, not blood and soil. We are blessed and are a blessing to humanity when we uphold and advance those ideals at home and in the world. We have helped liberate more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history. We have acquired great wealth and power in the process.

“We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. We weaken it when we hide behind walls, rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals, rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been.

“We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do.

“Ten years ago, I had the privilege to concede defeat in the election for president. I want to end my farewell to you with the heartfelt faith in Americans that I felt so powerfully that evening.

I feel it powerfully still.

“Do not despair of our present difficulties but believe always in the promise and greatness of America, because nothing is inevitable here. Americans never quit. We never surrender. We never hide from history. We make history.

“Farewell, fellow Americans. God bless you, and God bless America.”

Carlos Ponce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9kspZNwFtI

Jim Forsythe

To bad that tradition was not followed, to honor John McCain.
Late Monday afternoon, the flag flying at the White House was lowered to half-staff to honor Sen. John McCain. It had been lowered to half-staff Sunday but then raised again on Monday morning, even as the nation continued honoring McCain's life and legacy after he died from brain cancer Saturday. (it is now at half-staff)
after pressure was placed on Trump.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts: "To bad that tradition was not followed, to honor John McCain."
From the Veteran'a Administration website:
"The flag is to be flown at half-staff at all federal buildings, grounds and naval vessels in the Washington, D.C., area on the day and day after the death of a United States senator, representative, territorial delegate, or the resident commissioner from the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. It should also be flown at half-staff on all federal facilities in the state, congressional district, territory, or commonwealth of these officials."
https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/halfstaff.pdf
Senator John Sidney McCain III died at 4:28 p.m. on Saturday August 25, 2018. As per protocol, the flag should have been lowered on the day of death and the day after. The president may extend that that time period. Trump has extended that time until the date of interment. Those responsible for flying the flag at the White House were following proper protocol.
Jim, I thought a Boy Scout leader knew correct flag etiquette. Guess I was wrong.

Jim Forsythe

Tradition and Department of Defense guidelines are two different things.
This is the tradition I was talking about.
Past presidents kept the White House flags lowered for longer periods to honor the passing of other sitting senators, and issued presidential proclamations calling for flags to remain at half-staff from the date of death until burial in honor of U.S. senators who die in office.
Department Defense guidelines, are just guidelines that can be increased, which Presidents in our near past, have done.

Trump is now doing more than the minimum, because he has felt the pressure to do the right thing.
Now that Trump has been called out, he has ordered the following.
"Despite our differences on policy and politics, I respect Senator John McCain's service to our country and, in his honor, have signed a proclamation to fly the flag of the United States at half-staff until the day of his interment," Trump said.

Some of the groups that have called him out. American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, as well as AMVETS. Also Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, representing Republican and Democrats. It is sad when a President has to be shamed into doing what is right.

Senator John McCain's deserves our full respect.


Carlos Ponce

"Trump is now doing more than the minimum, because he has felt the pressure to do the right thing." Was he "shamed" into doing it as you post?
That's an opinion and not a fact.
Have you forgotten that he was busy this morning getting the finishing touches on the US-Mexico Trade Agreement? Of course no reason for the proclamation's delay is good enough for a Trump hater. Proper protocol was followed.

Jim Forsythe

If Trump had wanted to honor McCain, he could have done so before HE had them raise the flag 0n Monday . He is the one that has the power over when it is flown.
To justify his actions , one would have to dishonor a war hero, and a long time member of the Senate. If this is what you think is right, I understand why you support Trump.
And you wonder why he gets bad press.

I guess the following are all "Trump haters"
American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, as well as AMVETS. Also Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell,
From The American Legion 1:37 PM - Aug 27, 2018
Nat’l Cmdr Rohan letter to President Trump: “I strongly urge you to make an appropriate presidential proclamation noting Senator McCain’s death & legacy of service to our nation, & that our nation’s flag be half-staffed through his interment.”

“I don’t know why the administration had the flag lowered for such a brief period of time,” Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said. “It seems to me that it would be appropriate to keep the flag at half-mast until Senator McCain has been buried.”

Presidential historian Michael Beschloss called the fully raised flags at the White House earlier Monday “sickening” during an appearance on MSNBC. Conservative commentator Bill Kristol, meanwhile, wrote on Twitter: “The White House is now an island of bitterness and resentment in a nation united in respect and appreciation.” Others on Twitter responded using the hashtag #NoRespect.

Carlos Ponce

It's at half staff until interment. Get over it.

Jim Forsythe

If someone does not want to celebrate a hero's life, it is a commit on them.
Trump only had the flag at half-staff the second time, because of political pressure, not because he wanted to.
Until he understand that he represents all Americans and not a few, he will continue to get the press he deserves.
Is this is how you want our President to act?
For him to tell McCain that he was no war hero because he was captured, tells a lot about the man we have as President. And you think this is OK.
To "Get over it" I would have to forget this, and I will not

Carlos Ponce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM

Jim Forsythe

If someone does not want to celebrate a hero's life, it is a commit on them.
To "Get over it" I would have to forget this, and I will not.

Jim Forsythe

Bill`, first he will call names, then he will correct your spelling.

Bill Broussard

[smile]

George Croix

With a few decades of focus on 'diversity' the main thing we have to show for it is a near totally fractured citizenry, mostly along ideological lines.
Maybe we should try some more of that 'unity' stuff that built this into the greatest nation the world has ever known, before the efforts to findamentally change that, and in so doing, screwed up.....imo....
Here's a unifying tidbit.
In many countries of the world, the 'protesters' and 'resistors' would get the crap beat out of them by their government, or simply disappear.
In THIS country, warts and all, even the nuttiest of the nutty, of all stripes, aren't rounded up and given a government attitude adjustment....
Both the far left perpetually aggrieved and the far right perfection seekers might take note....
It's a start....no, re-start.......

Thank goodness WWII happened when there was still SOME willingness to pull together........

Bill Broussard

Love ya George!👍

Bill Broussard

Will some e tell tWIA that catastrophic losses don’t only come from hail, rain and huuicanes before they raise our rates?
“U.S. to Pay Farmers $4.7 Billion to Offset Trade-Conflict Losses”: Wall Street journal

By the way Carlos I work for the Boy Scouts as a client. They are decent people and would never have lowered the flag. Didn’t Stormy mention that the White House flag pole was the only thing erect at that address?

Carlos Ponce

"They are decent people and would never have lowered the flag." Questionable. Boy Scouts know proper protocol and would have raised the flag to full height then lowered it to half staff on designated days.
And you have to ask someone else about what a porn star says. I wouldn't know - nor care.

Jim Forsythe

Not 100% true, once at half- staff the flag would remain until raised to full-staff. The only reason it would not be flying would be because of bad weather or needed to be replaced. It flys 24 hours a day

Bill Broussard

In our firm, I have the pleasure of working with a man who was on the National Board of the BSA during the time when Robert Gates was Chairman and also during Tillerson’s Chairmanship. He’s an Eagle and has won numerous honors from the BSA.

The other person noted is also a life time scouter. This is the kind of conversation the two had through our general distribution e-mail box.


Person 1: “Today we lost a fine human being - Senator John McCain. He taught us civility; statesmanship; and what love of country looks like. His memory is all the more outstanding and applicable to ourselves because of his strengths as well as his failings.

In this day and age when posturing and lies are seen at the highest levels of government and defended by many, let’s take this opportunity to salute Senator McCain as a symbol of class and integrity and an example for us all.

With great respect

Person 2: Raul, thank you for this. John was a great patriot, a good man and a fine friend. He made his contribution through 60 years of serving his country.

"I have had the most fortunate life of anybody you will ever talk to, and I have nothing but gratitude, gratitude and joy, because I've had the most fortunate life that anybody has ever had. So I spend my time in gratitude and work as hard as I can to get done what I can get done while I can."


Anything less than this is simply brain farts from a very small and petty.person. After the McCain treatment, I would say that our current leader still aspires to the office of president. Most others stop aspiring once they are elected.

Bill Broussard

Carlos: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kDurYyFFt_M

Carlos Ponce

I think you're the gentleman in the video doing a back flip.[wink]

Bill Broussard

[beam]

Jarvis Buckley

The one positive comment I got out of this forum Is a comment from Bill Broussard " I vote republican most of the time."

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