Fifty years ago, troubleshooting operational problems and equipment failure was taught at Monsanto by Arnold Glass, a safety engineer.

Employees were instructed to list things that worked, then applied a before and after process to determine when and what changes occurred.

I thought it would be interesting to apply this test to determine what has changed in American culture, when and why.

A good starting point would be hitchhiking, where for over 100 years it was common and safe to hitchhike or give a stranger a ride. Americans just didn’t harm someone who helped a stranger in need. People often left keys in their car, and many homeowners left doors unlocked.

Police weren’t needed in schools, a student being suspended was exceedingly rare, children walked to school alone and played outside at night unsupervised.

Almost all homes had a mother and a father, and both provided different lifelong learning lessons such as, manners, morality and responsibility. The significance of discipline was learned at an early age, as well as the consequence of repeated bad behavior.

Today, single mothers are commonplace, women entering the workforce took mothers out of the home. Teachers today have the additional mission of teaching children things that should’ve been taught at home.

Could this have anything to do with the alarming number of school suspensions in public schools today?

But the greatest impact to the culture of the country is political correctness. It’s not law, and no one voted for it. Yet, it’s the enemy of free speech. Like him or not, President Donald Trump is standing alone resisting political correctness.

Political correctness is the tool used to brand other Americans as haters, racists or nationalists when the left has nothing to offer to make our lives better.

Just wearing the wrong color hat today could make you a target of hate. Maxine Waters, a high-ranking Democrat official, told her devotees to run Trump supporters out of eating establishments — and they did.

Our laws weren’t designed to protect us from being offended, yet universities provide safe spaces to keep students from being offended. Colleges, once a place where differences were debated, today allow antifa thugs joined by students to run conservative invited speakers off campus.

A Republican business owner risks his business being picketed, and in some cases, his family attacked, simply for expressing his beliefs to a reporter on issues of gender, immigration, abortion or marriage, regardless of having a lifelong record of being a model citizen and a record of treating his employees equally and fairly. Isn’t that punishing thought to achieve a political goal outside the democratic process?

It’s not guns, racism or white nationalism that’s causing the craziness in America today. What was unthinkable a few years ago, is now normal American culture.

I don’t know any white nationalists or where to even find one. The people I know of all races work to make the community better and want the best outcome for everyone.

Jack Cross lives in Texas City.

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Gary Scoggin

What is the root cause of political correctness?

Bailey Jones

Shhhhh... you don't want to cause any introspection.

Paula Flinn

The root cause of political correctness is that people were insulting others because of their differences, such as race, religion, looks, sexual orientations, etc. If all men (and women) are created equal in the eyes of God, we need to treat each other with more kindness, not scorn, and more tolerance, not being so judgmental. Political correctness is a good thing. It is opposed to race-baiting, Jew bashing, making fun of other people, bullying, etc. I don’t see it as the enemy of free speech. In the age of Trump it PC is necessary. We don’t want everyone to act like him.

Carlos Ponce

Political correctness is not just because of insults, Paula. It's a changing world and people now consider words in common usage politically incorrect. In 6th grade in Danforth Elementary I was taught about the "Moslem" faith. But today I am informed "Moslem" is not politically correct. Use "Islam" and "Muslim" instead. We referred to "Orientals" - now considered non-PC. Use "Asian". People with African heritage were "Negro", then "Colored", then "Black", then "African American" - confusing when NAACP has the word "Colored" in it and we see references to "People of Color", "Men of Color", and "Women of Color" in the news - yet "Colored" is non-PC. I was taught (and it's in the old dictionaries) how to pronounce "Uranus" but now am told that's not proper.

Now it's politically incorrect to use gender pronouns in certain circles. Sue me.

I personally don't like the word "Latino". I may use an occasional Latin word or phrase but I do not speak Latin. But if you use "Latino" I will not chastise you.

In college, a fellow student called the high school in Galveston "Ball High". He was ridiculed by someone not from this area. "It's called 'Galveston Ball' not 'Ball High'," he claimed. Those of us from Galveston County shook our heads and explained we have always called it "Ball High".

Gary Miller

The old Danforth elimentry? What year? Could it be why you and I often have the same reaction to some issues?

Gary Miller

Carlos> I played on the Stingaree football team that beat "Ball High" the first time in many years. Back then Ball High had more students than most School districts in Galveston county.

Carlos Ponce

I was in Danforth Elementary from 1961 -1967. Then Blocker Jr. High.

Gary Miller

Carlos> I attended Danforth when the TC blast occured. Graduated TC high 1953.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Miller, I see from your picture in the1953 Stingaree Yearbook that you played football and was in the Science Club and DE (Distributive Education).

Jim Claffy

We need to stop lecturing others on what they can and cannot say. There is a right to free speech in this country and no right to not be offended. Frankly, society was more civil before the PC movement.

Gary Miller

The purpose of free speech was so citizens could verbally, without fear, oppose government. Now it's used to slander or defame other citizens.

Mary Gillespie

Amen, Jim!!

Jack Cross

(Cause) - A desire to stamp out opposing opinion. In recent times, punishment to those who do not follow the PC line is common. we see examples of this every day (Chic Fe lay)

Gary Miller

Right on point Jack. PC is anti free speach. An effort to force all to believe and say the "CORRECT" thing.

Gary Miller

Scoggin> Mob rule is the only legitimate description of Political Correctness. The mob doesn't want any idea but theirs.

Gary Scoggin

Does mob rule include the need to be polite to others?

David Hardee

Excellent Question - Popular among the most forceful and persistent portion of society is a simple answer.

The dichotomy of the many comments is understandable considering each is responding relative to their generation, experiences, culture and etc.

But when each is selecting specific historical facts to support a conclusion is the workshop a single minded. Conclusions must be the product of accumulating facts and there are undeniable e effects over an extended period. That period must encompass an era during which many relevant incidents have conflicted with each other. Aggregating those conflicting incidents and the outcomes support the creation of a logical and reasonable conclusion.

David Hardee

My reply to Gary Scoggin Sep 13, 2019 3:12am

What is the root cause of political correctness?

Got posted out of sequence - please associate it with Gary's question.

David Hardee

Here are a few "political correct" phrases (laughable)

Homosexual – Gay

Homeless – Outdoor urban dwellers

Insane – Reality challenged

Perverted – Sexually dysfunctional

Prostitute – Sex worker / Sex care provider

Stupid – Intellectually impaired / Unschooled

Dishonest – Ethically disorientated

Dustbin Man – Sanitation Engineer

Insult – Emotional rape

Bisexual prostitute – Equal opportunity prostitute

Poor – Economically marginalised

Immigrant – Newcomer

Illegal immigrant – Irregular immigrant / undocumented worker

Right wing protest – Riot

Don Schlessinger

Well said Jack. Thank you.

Bailey Jones

Ah yes, the good old days. When women knew that their place was in the home. When minorities knew that their place was to serve white society. When police knew that their job was not so much to enforce the civil law, but God's law of racial hierarchy. Good times.

As we said in the 60s, let's burn this mother [censored] down.

Carlos Ponce

That's Bailey's idea of "the good ole days"???? I think we grew up on different planets. Bailey, I'm from the planet Earth. Where are you from?

Bailey Jones

Sorry, Carlos - I always forget - you're from that part of the US where there was no racial discrimination, where women were allowed to attend Texas A&M and Harvard, where black churches didn't get bombed and school girls didn't get cursed and spit on by white mobs. Where communities of color never rioted in response to police brutality and soldiers never murdered students on college campuses for not upholding conservative America's version of "political correctness". You know - Imaginary, USA. With Andy, and Opie and Aunt Bee, and Gomer and Barney, and all was wholesome, fresh and clean. Gosh, if only we had a reality TV star president who could Make American Mayberry Again (MAMA).

Carlos Ponce

"you're from that part of the US where there was no racial discrimination" That would be Texas City, Texas. Everybody got along. You must be from the planet called "Hate".

First woman to attend classes at TAMU - College Station was Ethel Hudson in 1893. Mary Evelyn Crawford Locke (class of 1925) was the first woman to obtain a Texas A& M Diploma. They were before my time. But I do remember a time when men were not allowed to attend TWU until 1994.

Bailey Jones

Oh, Carlos, how can you not know these things? I thought you were a teacher or something. Texas A&M was founded as an all-male, all-military school in 1876. Only a few women - those under the protection of male faculty or students - were allowed in. Ethel Hudson, the daughter of a professor, was the first woman to attend classes at the A&M College of Texas in 1895. Mary Evelyn Crawford Locke, sister of the head of the Engineering Department, became the first woman to receive a diploma from Texas A&M in 1925. Women not related to faculty or students were not allowed in until 1969, and not into the corps until 1974.

African Americans were not allowed in until 1964 - about the same year that African Americans were allowed into Texas City High, if I'm to believe your GCDN comment from Aug 14, 2018. 1964 was also the year I began elementary school in the still segregated schools of Mineral Wells. I remember hearing that black Dunbar High was being converted into a mixed middle school - and had to be gutted and rebuilt because it wasn't fit for white kids. (When Mineral Wells schools finally desegregated in 1967 my family moved to an all white suburb of Dallas to avoid the "political correctness" of race mixing.) Good times. I remember the 1968 DNC riots. I remember the MLK murder when 100 cities rioted.

I remember driving around downtown Dallas in 1973 surveying the damage after Mexican Americans rioted when a Dallas cop blew the brains out of an innocent 12 year old Latino boy. I remember it all.

But I congratulate you on your insulated upbringing.

Carlos Ponce

At least now you believe "women were allowed to attend Texas A&M".[beam]

Jim Forsythe

TWU History

1972 — Men are admitted into TWU’s graduate programs and undergraduate and graduate health sciences professions programs in Denton, Dallas and Houston.

Jack Cross

Mr. Jones, my letter was based on facts, What you added, I did not say any of that or that it was good. I used a trouble shooting example of todays problems and I think you will agree we do have serious problems in society. I was taught to learn from history, today we are erasing history, that makes is dumber. My wife was employed in the workforce, I am not telling any woman to not work, I am just pointing our a fact about how it has changed society.

Bailey Jones

I agree with you that society has changed. Much for the better and some for the worse. I disagree with your conclusion that it has anything to do with "political correctness". I do agree that "What was unthinkable a few years ago, is now normal American culture", and thank God for progress.

If you want to learn from history - and clearly you do - may I recommend the following -

These Truths - A History of the United States by Jill Lepore

Red Summer - The Summer of 1919 and the Awakening of Black America by Cameron McWhirter

Slavery by Another Name - The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II by Douglas A. Blackmon

The Soul of America - The Battle for Our Better Angels by Jon Meacham

Gary Miller

Bailey> I graduated from TC high in 1953, after TC High was integrated. I remember we welcomed the black kids joining our teams and social clubs. Not sure it was official integration but fiscal, busing high school age black students to Galveston was costly.

Casey Alan

We cannot go back to the 60s. It’s funny how it always falls on the woman. Let’s not forget about the deadbeat dad’s /husbands. Let’s not forget that the cost of living went up. so much that it took two incomes if not more to survive. Minorities along with women just got tired of people telling them how to act how to be where to go and what to do. Calling people names and trying to keep people in their place is a racist thing. Times will not go backwards it’s only going to go forward so get with the program.

Debra Criss

Sigh.

Casey Alan

Just a comment on my comment. People still have the right to say what they want to say. People still have the right to refuse service to anyone if they have a place of business. People have the right to speak out against it. People have the right to protest. People have the right to boycott a business. People have the right to choose their actions but they better be prepared for the consequences of their actions.

Gary Miller

Casey> You are correct, except that PC is mob rule that requires all to conform to the mob with no place for the individual.

Charles Douglas

Mr.Miller> Right you are with your observation! Mr. Cross was most eloquent about that time when we could leave homes without locking our doors and come home where everything was just as we left it. Like the outdoor picture shows, cornerstore phone booths, and the wild roaming buffalos, those times have disappeared from our lives, never to return. This country was never a UTOPIAN society, and it never will be. However, people back in the day, had morality, integrity, hard work ethics, and as Mr. Cross alluded to, compassion to help a neighbor! Were everyone back then perfect? No! Are everyone perfect now? No again! However, the moral fabric and conscious of this nation as a whole, has regressed astronomically to a point of great concern. Everybody needs a deadly weapon for protection, politicians are professionally self-serving who come into office poor, and leave because of bad behavior, filthy rich! They accomplish this by taking payoffs from powerful, wealthy lobbyists and special interest groups! Men and women's souls are eroded and polluted by covetousness, hate and greed because of a failure to assimilate themselves to the lamp and the light of God's word! This apathetic mindset toward life is encouraged and influenced by the Price Of Darkness, who hates the light! In the dark DEVIANT BEHAVIORS, can grow and manifest. In the darkness, PC attitudes can come forth to change things as they were, and make them what the PC pundits want them to be! They tear down statues they don't like, attack people and businesses who are not aligned with them! Houston ISD just coughed up one point two MILLION taxpayer dollars meant for educating students ...in order to ( wait for it...) ..change the name of schools the PC crowd said was offensive because of the civil war! Mr. Jones talked about God's racial hierarchy, was involved with policing, and Ms. Flinn noted that God created all men equal!!! Are we all equal, or do God have a RACIAL HIERARCHY? Yall need to get on one LEFTIST ACCORD! Man is responsible for growing his own moral compass along with the help of the Holy Spirit using God's word! Sadly, more and more, we see people being pulled or enticed away from God, and doing their own thing, whatever is right in their own eyes. Many are time bombs now walking around hearing multiple voices telling them to do evil things because there exist no spiritual self control inside them to stop their downfall! Proverbs 25:28 says a man with no self-control is like a city broken down with no walls! Great article Mr. CROSS! Much love.

Dan Freeman

Proverbs contain so many unconnected thoughts, it always useful to quote several at once:



26 It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife.



25 Like cold water to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country.



26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.



27 It is not good to eat much honey, nor is it glorious to seek one's own glory.



28 A man without self-control is like ta city broken into and left without walls.

Gary Scoggin

I think back to an office party I attended a few years ago. It was in December. Our team of about 15 people had a Jewish woman, two Hindus and a Musim. We called it a Holiday Party, not a Christmas Party. Why? Because it was the polite thing to do. Sometimes we bash things as being politically correct when, in fact, we are just trying to be more considerate human beings.

Carlos Ponce

Christmas - when Christians celebrate the birth of a Jewish baby. Then King Herod tried to do a post-birth abortion.

Bailey Jones

Life is so much more enjoyable when people are considerate of one another. And America is so much more enjoyable when our embrace of our diversity is seen as a cause for celebration, not as an "operational problem".

Carlos Ponce

"You've gotta be cruel to be kind in the right measure

Cruel to be kind, it's a very good sign

Cruel to be kind means that I love you, baby

(You've gotta be cruel)

You've gotta be cruel to be kind"

Paula Flinn

Clearly, some people find it burdensome to be kind and considerate.

Gary Miller

Scoggin> A Muslim lady worked with my wife and a Jewish lady worked with a son. They were invited to my house for Christmas eve meal several years ago. Both ladies had children but no husbands? The children came with the ladies. The meal prepared by my wife and daughter was Halal, Kosher and Texan. Turned out to be the best Christmas eve we ever had.

Gary Scoggin

Sounds like a fun evening!

Mike Zeller

[offtopic] We have a tropical depression off the coast of Florida.Where's my Sharpie(Trump)? [beam]

Carlos Ponce

Mike, the sharpie showed NOAA's August 29th projection. Check out this August 29th NOAA map which showed Alabama in its projection for Dorian:

https://www.al.com/hurricane/2019/08/could-hurricane-dorian-make-it-into-the-gulf.html

For a person who grew up in this area you should know the about early hurricane projections - not always accurate. That's why they call it the cone of uncertainty.

Mike Zeller

Mike, the sharpie showed NOAA's August 29th projection. Wrong! The official NOAA map had no black sharpie add-on. The map he doctored, and the one you reference are from Thursday Aug.29 (Alabama not in cone). He made his, Alabama in the path, statement on Sunday Sept.1. Everyone except you and Trump could see on Sunday the 1st, Dorian had absolutely 0% possibility of impacting Alabama. Maybe next time he will try a white sharpie,"Naw", he's not that smart.

Carlos Ponce

Mike I don't know what you're trying to pull but the NOAA map (link provided) clearly shows Alabama in the path and in the cone.

https://www.al.com/hurricane/2019/08/could-hurricane-dorian-make-it-into-the-gulf.html

If Galveston County is ever marked in a similar manner again, Mike Zeller would be preparing for bad weather.

Mike Zeller

Carlos, do you not know what the "cone of uncertainty" is. What your looking at is a wind speed map. If you scroll down to the next picture you will see the cone (no Alabama) (no sharpie).

Mike Zeller

I started this thread as a joke. It would of been, one and done, 3 days ago had Carlos not continuously spewed his alternative facts. Oh well, that's "par for the course" when Carlos gets involved. Sad!

Jim Forsythe

"Mike, the sharpie showed NOAA's August 29th projection. Check out this August 29th NOAA map which showed Alabama in its projection for Dorian:" but Trump report was on Sept. 4., using the old outdated map. Out dated forecast have no value and are dangerous !

The trouble is that Trump used a map time stamped Aug.29, 2019 5pm AST and Trump did not report his forecast until Sept. 4, 2019. No forecast from NOAA, after the time the map was time stamped has Alabama in it's path. Hurricane forecast are not of any use after they are update. What Trump used was a several day old map that had no value in forecasting and was dangerous to the people that rely on forecast to be safe. Trump needs to stay out of forecasting.

"Two days before Trump’s first tweet mentioning a supposed threat to Alabama, it was clear — both from the models and the forecasts — that Dorian would turn north and northeastward either over Florida or before it reached Florida, meaning Alabama and the rest of the Gulf Coast would be spared. "

It’s a federal crime to provide false weather forecasts, but Trump enjoys protections as president.

Carlos Ponce

"but Trump report was on Sept. 4.' WRONG! Trump tweeted it on Sunday morning September 1 7:51 AM EST. In the previous week's meeting, the possibility of an Alabama strike was discussed based on NOAA's projections to coordinate hurricane relief, FEMA, etc. A previous released map was used and the updated NOAA information was "Sharpied" in. But as anyone who grew up in a Hurricane prone area knows, thes forecasts can change. Proof of the Sunday 7:51 am EST September 1 Tweet:

https://time.com/5671606/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama/

"Trump did not report his forecast until Sept. 4, 2019." WRONG! But those with Trump DERANGEMENT Syndrome never let the FACTS get in the way of an anti-Trump post.

Jim Forsythe

By using your facts he was still using the wrong info. When a person is in charge of all of the USA, he needs to make sure that he uses the right and up to date information. He made it sound that the East coast was not in as much danger as they were. If he had checked with NOAA before making his statement, he could have avoided this mess.



Sunday morning September 1 7:51 AM trump showed off the map that was out dated by many days, and wrong. About 20 minutes later, the National Weather Service’s (NWS) station in Birmingham, Ala., clear up the confusion about the storm’s effects on the state. “ Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian,” their tweet read. “We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east.” At this time the President should have cleared it up. Instead he continued with the Alabama thing.

Carlos Ponce

" wrong info" - So NOAA outs out " wrong info"? Correct at the time, Jim.

"Sunday morning September 1 7:51 AM trump showed off the map that was out dated by many days, and wrong." No, at 7:51 am EST Trump tweeted. "out dated by many days - August 29 date on map. September 1 day of Tweet - a few days, not "many". NWS needs to get its act together with NOAA which verified Trump's Tweet as ACCURATE for the time.

Jim Forsythe

Why all this about a mistake that Trump made? Probably because, as with many of Trump’s falsehoods, it’s an attractive alternate explanation for his supporters. What has Trump done about this ?The president has defending blatantly false information with nonsensical explanations, and nobody (well, almost nobody) can pretend otherwise. Better to believe he’s doing it for some reason besides that he’s lying or is completely divorced from reality. It invites people to believe he’s really that secret political genius, wielding dishonesty for an actual purpose.

How is Trump's refusal to admit he made a mistake a defense? However any part of this fiasco was meant, he should have apologized immediately , even he was joking, although the evidence suggests that he was not. But for the National Weather Service's quick correction, the inaccurate Tweet could have set off a needless panic. Later attempts to silence and threaten the Weather Service for its completely justifiable reaction with retaliation are an inexcusable abuse of power. Trump's denial of being the instigator of those threats are not credible. If any of that was meant as joke, its only point seems to be to highlight that Trump has no sense of humor.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "Why all this about a mistake that Trump made?" Trump did NOT make a mistake. The EVIDENCE says he was correct when he tweeted Alabama was in Dorian's path. End of story. I

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, I think you are about the only person left that still believes that. Well, you and Sean Hannity.

Carlos Ponce

Facts are facts, Gary Scoggin. Most in this country accept that Trump was correct based on the FACTS. What part of the Alabama website don't you believe? The date on the NOAA map, 5 pm Thursday August 29, 2019? The cone reaching Alabama?

https://www.al.com/hurricane/2019/08/could-hurricane-dorian-make-it-into-the-gulf.html

Gary Scoggin

I think Jim has tried really hard to explain that to you. I refer you back to his posts.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, you are right, and I do not think that Trumps stills believes it .

Carlos Ponce

Fact: NOAA put out an advisory and map Thursday August 29 5pm which showed Alabama in Dorian's path.

Fact: President Trump met with Federal officials to discuss plans to have Federal response teams to areas in Dorian's path. The NOAA map they had was amended to reflect current NOAA data Friday August 30.

FACT: Trump sent out Tweet 7:51 am Sunday September 1: "In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

Now from that Tweet, some say Trump was wrong because Dorian after that looked like it would hit Florida and turn North. But based on the FACTS, Trump was correct based on NOAA information at the time.

Jim Forsythe

By using a old forecast and map, he showed how incompetent his group is. He should have had a up to date map and forecast.

However, that map was dated Aug. 28, meaning its projections were long outdated by the time Trump tweeted Sunday. Furthermore, the map, which was taken from the South Florida Water Management District website, clearly states that National Hurricane Center information supersedes it. "If anything on this graphic causes confusion, ignore the entire product," it reads. This, they failed to do.

If the map shown Wednesday was altered, it could actually be illegal for anybody but Trump. "Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both."

Wrongly including Alabama in his warning had practical issues, too, including the potential for unnecessarily panicking residents and misallocating disaster resources, and lessening the public's trust in NWS forecasts.

Gary Scoggin

“Wrongly including Alabama in his warning had practical issues, too, including the potential for unnecessarily panicking residents and misallocating disaster resources, and lessening the public's trust in NWS forecasts.”

I disagree that it caused much harm. Not many people believe anything he says anyway.

Mike Zeller

Carlos, this is one of the rules for our forum, "Be Truthful. Don't knowingly lie about anyone or anything". Your own facts show Alabama not in the "cone of uncertainty". If you really don't know what the "cone of uncertainty" means, I'm not going to rub it in. I apologize.

Carlos Ponce

https://www.al.com/hurricane/2019/08/could-hurricane-dorian-make-it-into-the-gulf.html

This NOAA link dated AUGUST 29 speaks for itself. But we have Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest rejecting documented proof that Trump was right at the time he tweeted.

Jim Forsythe

Why are you, Carlos, calling people names? Is it to make up for some shortcoming you have? Please do not lower yourself to that level!

"This NOAA link dated AUGUST 29 speaks for itself." It says that it is only good till the next update. Many updates happen since that map was issued. ( The standard updates from the National Hurricane Center are every 6 hours, at 4 AM, 10 AM, 4 PM and 10 PM Central Daylight times. When a tropical system gets close to land, they issue public updates every 3 hour) Why did Trump not use the 4AM update for Sunday September 1?

Trump was not close to using a map that was updated, and not marked with a Trump-o-lot.

FACT: Trump sent out Tweet 7:51 am Sunday September 1:

Carlos Ponce

"From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link."

https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_34_F120

Jim Forsythe

What are you trying to show? That Alabama was going to get winds up to 20 mph?

That this qualifies as "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated" which it does not. We will get higher winds this week than Alabama did, and we are not going to be hit hard. The wind forecast for Galveston today is for winds up to 29mph. If this is his threshold for being hit hard, we will be hit hard most days of the year, in this area.

This shows that Trump did not get updates before he made his speech. If he had , he would not have said this.

Carlos Ponce

" That Alabama was going to get winds up to 20 mph?"

Hurricane Harvey affected Galveston County on Sunday August with wind speeds from 24 to 25 mph so there was no need to worry, right???? But the rains brought massive flooding that Sunday to Galveston County.

https://www.galvnews.com/eedition/page_a3c1e100-7f70-52e8-8611-d5d9eebca3d9.html

When it comes to hurricanes best thing is to be prepared for wind and/or rain. A slow moving storm produces massive flooding. Didn't they teach "Be Prepared" in the Boy Scouts????

Jim Forsythe

Prepared for what? The forecast was for no rain for Alabama, associated with Hurricane Dorian. Hurricane Harvey potential was for major flooding, not wind in the Galveston area. All the damage was from the flooding, or have you forgot? Alabama forcast was for no rain and 20 mph wind.

Mike Zeller

Carlos, you are flat out LYING. Here are all the "Forecast Advisories" and "Public Advisories" 1-64 for Dorian. I couldn't find the word Alabama mentioned anywhere especially 15-41. Now I know why your an ex-Teacher.



https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN.shtml?

Carlos Ponce

Mike and Jim, This is from NOAA, NOT ME:

"From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link."

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive

I have government websites to back my statements. And you two have Liberal talking points.

Carlos Ponce

"Now I know why your an ex-Teacher." Mike, I RETIRED because my dad was dying and I wanted to care for him 24/7. After he died, The Hitchcock High School principal asked me to return to teaching math but I politely declined since I had other obligations and duties. But I am still involved with HISD as a Board Member of the Hitchcock ISD Education Foundation. And I still travel with the Hitchcock Band and record their performances. This is a UIL year for 3A and the HHS band has a good shot at making the State finals.

Jim Forsythe

For wind speed, I used the link you provided, by you, and it said no wind over a small gust. The national weather bureau provided the forecast for the rain amount.. The President tried to use a old forecast and a Trump-o-lot map, to make his point. He ignored at least 5 updated forecast. Again with the excuses, for the bad results from the President.

Gary Scoggin

Time to give it up folks. Carlos is the last man standing -- the only person in the world that actually believes all of this. Like many good Trump-acolytes, he remains unconvinced by facts, only by FakeNews.

Carlos Ponce

"the only person in the world that actually believes all of this" No, Gary Scoggin. There are a lot more people who believe on documented proof than unsubstantiated Liberal claims.

Carlos Ponce

To be honest, most in this country don't really care about the issue. It is amusing, however, to see the anti-Trumps with TDS coming unhinged.[beam]

Jim Forsythe

Gary, you are right. Nobody but Carlos has said they believe this ---- that Carlos is trying to sell.

Stuff like this is why many people do not like the President. Not being able to say I was wrong is a quality a President needs too have, and the one we have now does not. This small potatoes compared to the mess he has gotten us in overseas. But, I should not be surprised, because getting the USA into a war, increases a person chance of getting reelected.

Right before the 18th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks Trump invites the Taliban to come to the USA. . The propaganda victory for the Taliban would have been enormous, sending a message of U.S. weakness and emboldening terrorists across the world. He cancels his Poland trip to be here for Hurricane Dorian and messes that up by being on the golf course and then have the Trump-o-lot moment. I would guess that Carlos has one of the markers that the GOP is selling, as he is buying everything else they are selling.

Carlos Ponce

Watching Liberals losing it is on one hand amusing but rather sad.

Gary Scoggin

I'm not a liberal, it's just that some people are so eaten up with Trumpitis that they think anybody that disagrees with them is one. Anyway, the only thing I've lost is a little respect for people that won't step up and defend our war heroes.

Carlos Ponce

"I'm not a liberal..." Thanks for the joke, Scoggin!

Mike Zeller

I started this thread as a joke. It would of been, one and done, 3 days ago had Carlos not continuously spewed his alternative facts. Oh well, that's "par for the course" when Carlos gets involved. Sad!

Carlos Ponce

Looks like Zeller gets the prize for alternative facts. Congratulations!

Gary Scoggin

Carlos always has to have the last word. Watch!

Don Schlessinger

From PC problems to weather forecasting. Folks, get a life.

Bailey Jones

To borrow a phrase - "Editorial threads, like fish, start to smell after three days."

Mike Zeller

Hurricane-Force Wind graphics.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_64_F120

Jarvis Buckley

I remember when George Croix would take up for his former work mate Jim. Even though he disgraced with him. True friendship.

Gary Scoggin

Whatever happened to George. I miss him?

Jim Forsythe

Gary, I talked to George last week. He is doing fine and look really good.

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