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Carlos Ponce

" This is how Texas Democrats became Republicans" can be summed up by Ronald Reagan: “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.”
"Being a spokesman for 20 Mule Team Borax paid big dividends." He was "spokesman" for only one year. Ronald Reagan hosted "Death Valley Days" sponsored by 20 Mule Team Borax and Boraxo for only one season on television 1964-65 but the show ran from 1952 to 1975 hosted by Stanley Andrews (The Old Ranger), Robert Taylor and Dale Robertson. Prior to the television show, "Death Valley Days" was on radio from 1930 to 1945.

Emile Pope

Reagan supported gun control. He supported making open carry illegal and signed the bill into law. How things change...

Carlos Ponce

Everyone makes mistakes now and then, Emile.

Gary Scoggin

Really great summary, Dan. With regards to Reagan, while I think his movie and TV career made him recognizable, I think his political appeal came from his experience as Governor of California. At least that’s the case in the farms and suburbs I hailed from at the time.

The irony of Reagan is that there is no way he would be accepted in today’s Republican Party. You might say, the Republican Party has left him.

Carlos Ponce

I disagree with your assessment that Reagan would not be accepted in today's Republican Party. While Trump is not a Reagan clone they do share many of the same ideas and goals.

Bailey Jones

And they were both actors!

Jim Forsythe

If you look at Presidents Reagans past, he might have ran as a Democrat today.
Republicans like Rep. Duncan Hunter who called Reagan “a former liberal … who would never be elected today,” or Mike Huckabbee noting that “Ronald Reagan would have a very difficult, if not impossible, time being nominated in this atmosphere of the Republican Party”. Senator Lindsay Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, who observed: Ronald Reagan would have a hard time getting elected as a Republican”

As governor — raised taxes, signed an abortion bill, no-fault divorce, and a few other things — today, the argument against him would come from the right, not from the left.

Reagan supported the biggest amnesty bill in history for illegal immigrants, advocated gun control, used Keynesian stimulus to jump-start the economy, favored personal diplomacy even with the country’s sworn enemies and instituted tax increases in six of the eight years of his presidency.
Some of his beliefs.
"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," Reagan said at a presidential debate in 1984.
After his press secretary was shot during an assassination attempt against him, the president came out in support of stricter gun-control laws.


Carlos Ponce

"As governor — raised taxes" Misleading.
"Over the course of his two terms in office, Reagan presided over several changes to the tax code. What is important to remember — what is vital to understand — is that not all taxes are created equal.
When Democrats or media embrace Reagan for “raising taxes X number of times,” they are usually engaging in willful obfuscation. This is because they know that when most people hear the words, “tax hike,” they naturally assume you mean raising income taxes. But tax rates (both nominal and effective) dropped dramatically across-the-board during Reagan’s tenure.
Not only did the top individual income tax rate go from 70 to 28 percent! — but the tax code was also indexed for inflation (this is a big deal, because inflation had heretofore pushed people into higher tax brackets — a double whammy.)
Yet the notion that Reagan was a tax-hiker has persisted. In recent years, Republicans ranging from former Sen. Alan Simpson to Reagan aide Bruce Bartlett have been cited noting that Reagan raised taxes (he did.) But their statements are often taken out of context — as if to muddy the waters — to make it appear that Reagan was a fan of tax hikes.
The typical tactic is to say Reagan raised taxes 11 or 12 times (the exact number depends on whom you ask.) But it’s unhelpful — in fact, it’s a bit misleading — to talk about how many times Reagan raised taxes. That’s because (as noted earlier) tax increases are not created equal. Some are much worse than others. And many of Reagan’s so-called “tax increases” were actually examples of ending deductions."
https://dailycaller.com/2012/06/06/ronald-reagan-raised-taxes-11-times-the-real-story/

Carlos Ponce

"Reagan supported the biggest amnesty bill in history for illegal immigrants" Misleading.n immigration reform bill from the Democrats - a promise that was left unfilled.

Carlos Ponce

On abortion:
"If there is a question as to whether there is life or death, the doubt should be resolved in favor of life". "Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" Ronald Reagan
As Governor of California, Reagan signed into law the Therapeutic Abortion Act in an effort to reduce the number of "back room abortions" performed in California. Just when the law was signed, Reagan stated that had he been more experienced as Governor, he would not have signed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ronald_Reagan#cite_note-52
"there is no way he would be accepted in today’s Republican Party" - that's ridiculous.

Jim Forsythe

Reagan’s 1982 tax hike raised $100 billion over three years, which at the time was the biggest tax increase since World War II. He also raised the tax on gasoline that year, as Sen. Simpson noted, and then raised taxes overall again in 1984 — the year he was reelected — by $50 billion over three years, primarily by rewriting the code to close business loopholes. In his second term, Reagan’s historic Tax Reform Act of 1986 increased taxes on corporations by $120 billion over five years — the largest corporate tax increase in history.

As governor, Reagan was the biggest California spender of the last half century. Under him, state spending leaped 177 percent. And as president, he spent like the proverbial drunken sailor to expand the Navy and the nuclear missile arsenal while winning the Cold War. He left Washington with a then-record national debt.
Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously.

Jim Forsythe

Reagan could have vetoed the amnesty, bill but did not because he was in favor of it.
Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty.
“We have consistently supported a legalization program which is both generous to the alien and fair to the countless thousands of people throughout the world who seek legally to come to America. The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.” Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986 upon signing the Immigration Control and Reform Act.

Carlos Ponce

By your rationale, Jim, voting for a physical border barrier and against illegal immigration would make one more Republican than Democrat. Let's see:
Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama, etc.
You have to consider the entire politician, Jim and not nit pick. Saying Reagan would not find a home in today's Republican party is STUPID.

Jim Forsythe

I did not say anything about a physical border barrier .
Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants.
When considering the entire politician, Regan, we can go on what bills he passed and what he wrote and said!
You really think he would fit in the Republican party now. Most do not.
His time has passed, just as it has passed for others.

Carlos Ponce

"Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants." Yes on Democrat promises that they would pass immigration reform - THEY LIED!
Yes, Ronald Reagan WOULD fit easily into today's Republican party!!!!!

Carlos Ponce

"I did not say anything about a physical border barrier ." No you didn't. Just examples of your double standard. If you're going to NIT PICK on Reagan why don't you do the same for the Democrats?
Barack Obama believed in the definition of marriage being between a man and a woman. But then he "evolved" say his Democrat supporters. You gloss over his previous remarks previous actions but refuse to do same for Ronald Reagan. I smell a hypocrite!

Jim Forsythe

Trying to say that Reagan did not know what he was doing by passing bill for reform, is not being kind to Reagan.
He was aware of what it said, and what would happen after it was passed.
Reagan himself was a dreamer, capable of imagining a world without trade barriers. In announcing his presidential candidacy in Nov. 1979, he had proposed a “North American accord” in which commerce & people would move freely across the borders of Canada & Mexico.

Immigration reform
The act required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status and made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly. The act also legalized certain seasonal agricultural undocumented immigrants as well as undocumented immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed at least a minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.
The law established financial and other penalties for those employing illegal immigrants under the theory that low prospects for employment would reduce undocumented immigration. Regulations promulgated under the Act introduced the I-9 form to ensure that all employees presented documentary proof of their legal eligibility to accept employment in the United States.
Upon signing the act at a ceremony held beside the newly refurbished Statue of Liberty, Reagan said, "The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.

Carlos Ponce

"Trying to say that Reagan did not know what he was doing ...." I never implied that AND YOU KNOW IT! History shows that Reagan made a deal with Tip O'Neill - amnesty in return for proposed immigration reform. Regan held up his part of the bargain, O'Neill did not. The Democrats LIED.

Jim Forsythe

Reagan was in favor of the following .
Reagan himself was a dreamer, capable of imagining a world without trade barriers. In announcing his presidential candidacy in Nov. 1979, he had proposed a “North American accord” in which commerce & people would move freely across the borders of Canada & Mexico. This is being in favor of what the bill said.
He passed the bill without saying anything about wanting to veto it.
When he said "The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans. He was not saying he had wanted to veto the bill.
What more did he want than what were in the Immigration reform measures that were in the bill? The bill spelled out reforms and he agreed with it.

"Trying to say that Reagan did not know what he was doing by passing bill for reform, is not being kind to Reagan"
If he was aware of what would happen, and he did, and not in favor of the bill, he would have veto it.
If he did not know what was in the bill and what would happen, it would mean he did not know what was in the bill or what would happen after passing.
What more did he want than the Immigration reform measures that were in the bill? The bill spelled out reforms and he agreed so what more did he want?

“the myth about Ronald Reagan is that he did all of this by himself,” . The compromises he made with House Speaker Thomas “Tip” O'Neill are often ignored.
Reagan’s willingness to talk and deal with Democrats could bring him under severe criticism today, making him unelectable in a Republican primary.
Trump said: "You know in the old days, Ronald Reagan, and I remember it so vividly, I was a young guy, I helped Ronald Reagan, I really liked him… so what happens, Ronald Reagan would get along with (Democrat) Tip O’Neill, and they’d sit down, and they’d make great deals for everybody. That’s what the country’s about, isn’t it? I mean, we can all be tough but at some point we gotta get our country back on track."

Reagan said in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984 the following.
"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.
Reagan's own diaries show the president found the idea of a militantly staffed border fence difficult to take. In a private meeting with then-President Jose Lopez Portillo of Mexico in 1979, Reagan wrote that he hoped to discuss how the United States and Mexico could make the border "something other than the location for a fence."


Carlos Ponce

"Reagan himself was a dreamer, capable of imagining a world without trade barriers."
Trump is against tariffs and trade barriers. He wants a level playing field. But if that's the rules the other countries play by then he has no choice but use them.
'What more did he want than what were in the Immigration reform measures that were in the bill?"
"There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers." It didn't happen. O'Neill didn't follow through.
"The Simpson-Mazzoli reform bill has been constructed as intricately as a clock, to achieve two big goals. The first is finally to give the country the ability to stop illegal immigrants attracted across the Mexican border by our economic magnetism. The second is to remove the cloud of exploitation that hangs over untold thousands of illegal immigrants already here.
The Speaker seems indifferent to those aims. His aim, he says bluntly, is that the Democrats not antagonize Hispanics, whose leaders oppose the bill. Thus, though the bill has once again sailed through the Senate by a huge bipartisan margin, Mr. O'Neill won't take it up in the House."
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/09/opinion/immigration-reform-o-neill-style.html

Carlos Ponce

The Simpson-Mazzoli Act was eventually passed and signed in 1986 but not in its original form.
"Limits the use of such verification system or any required identification document to enforcing this Act and not for other law enforcement purposes."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/senate-bill/1200
A big dog on a short leash with no bite, no bark.

Jim Forsythe

Gary Miller May 18, 2019 10:49am
Yes, time changes everything. Reagan was our greatest president back then. Not today. Kennedy wouldn't recognize the Democrat party of Pelosi and AOC.

Jim Forsythe

Reagan did not veto the Immigration Reform and Control Act. If he had a problem with it,he would have vetoed it.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act altered U.S. immigration law, making it illegal to knowingly hire illegal immigrants and establishing financial and other penalties for companies that employed illegal immigrants. The act also legalized most illegal immigrants who arrived in the country prior to January 1, 1982
Reagan wanted to make sure that amnesty was in place.

By himself, he used a Executive Action that made it clear , he was in favor of it.
Reagan Executive Action
The Immigration Reform and Control Act did not address the status of children of illegal aliens who were eligible for the amnesty program. In 1987 President Reagan used his executive authority to legalize the status of minor children of parents granted amnesty under the immigration overhaul, announcing a blanket deferral of deportation for children under 18 who were living in a two-parent household with both parents legalizing, or with a single parent who was legalizing. This action affected an estimated 100,000 families

Carlos Ponce

Jim, to gauge Ronald Reagan's views on amnesty and immigration reform without considering all the politics behind them is not wise.
"It will remove the incentive for illegal immigration by eliminating the job opportunities which draw illegal aliens here." Reagan opined. Did it? Isn't Jim Forsythe the one asking for verification of legal status to get a job in the US.
Like I posted earlier the bill was a big dog on a short leash, no bark, no bite.

Jim Forsythe

Reagan views on amnesty and immigration reform, would not fit in todays Republican party. For a party that promotes Trump, Reagan would be out of step with what is happening today.
Just by you suggesting that Reagan and I think alike, shows how he would not fit in.
As far as Reagan giving amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants, it was a big deal. It was not some sort of dog fetish

Carlos Ponce

You don't get the metaphor. Bottom line, Reagan would fit right in with today's Republican Party.

Jim Forsythe

No way would I ever suggest that Reagan had no bark, no bite and Nancy had him on a short leash.
Only in someone's Imagination would they think that Reagan was as Far Right as the Republican party is today.
Regan was powerfully articulate and was indeed the Great Communicator. Not a quality that is needed today to be President in the Republican party.

Carlos Ponce

"No way would I ever suggest that Reagan had no bark, no bite and Nancy had him on a short leash."
THE BILL that Reagan thought would put an end to illegal immigration was the big dog on a short leash, not Reagan!
"Imagination would they think that Reagan was as Far Right as the Republican party is today."
Your baseless opinion, Jim. You have little idea of what a Conservative is. He's feel at home in today's Republican Party.

Carlos Ponce

Picking up the Conservative mantle from Ronald Reagan was his adopted son Michael Reagan. The Liberal press made a big deal when they reported Michael Reagan said Trump was not his father's clone but they ignored when Michael said he didn't need to be. He said the campaign Trump ran was not like his father would have run it. Again, it didn't need to be.
What has Michael Reagan said recently?
"I'm beginning to feel sorry for President Trump. The attacks on him, his policies, his kids, his cabinet, his staff and everyone who's ever worked for him as a caddie by the Democrats and the Trump-hate media will never end."
https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelreagan/2019/04/13/attacking-trump-will-never-end-n2544698
"The anti-Trump zealots in the Democrat Party and liberal media have been deluding themselves for two years that Mueller and his lawyers were going to nail Trump on collusion, obstruction or any number of impeachable crimes."
https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelreagan/2019/03/30/the-reelection-of-donald-trump-n2543972
For more of Michael Reagan's writings:
https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelreagan/
Ronald Reagan's other kids bend to the left. Michael Reaghan knew where his father stood on the issues.

Jim Forsythe

Michael Reagan's never lived in the White House and was never President.
What ever party Michael is in, does not change any of his fathers past.

Donald Trump's comparison of his "conversion" to conservative as similar to that of Ronald Reagan distorts the real estate billionaire's long liberal history, the son of the late president said.
In an interview Michael Reagan said his father's change from Democrat to Republican "wasn't something that happened overnight."
"Donald Trump is making his conversion because he's running for the nomination of the Republican Party and trying to reach out to conservatives and have them believe that he is a conservative," Reagan said,
"This wasn't something that happened overnight with Ronald Reagan," Reagan said, detailing his late father's conversion. "This was something that was in place and in motion over many, many, many, many years before he came to his determination to be to be a Republican.
Reagan wrote that Trump’s sudden switch to conservativism could not be easily believed,and that the billionaire still advocates a universal healthcare program far worse than Obamacare.
Reagan also criticized Trump for his recent praise of Hillary Clinton, financial donations to Democrats like Rahm Emanuel, and for having backed both Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale over his Dad.
Reagan also argued his father would be "absolutely appalled" if Trump wins the GOP presidential nomination – calling attention to his tweet:
Michael Reagan @ReaganWorld
If the Republican Party nominates Trump, I hope that I don't hear from my father's grave "I didn't leave the Party, the Party left me." 9:05 PM - Jan 28, 2016

"I get so tired of people coming to me saying 'he reminds me of your father' and I just go, 'how?'" Reagan said. "Donald Trump never supported Ronald Reagan. He supported [Walter] Mondale, he supported [Jimmy] Carter. Those are the people he supported against the nomination and election of Ronald Reagan.
: Michael Reagan: My Father Would Be 'Absolutely Appalled' By Trump as GOP Nominee.

Carlos Ponce

Who do we trust, Michael Reagan who picked up his father's Conservative mantle or a Liberal forum poster? The answer is easy. Conservatives think that a Liberal Leftist should not be the one who selects who falls under the Conservative umbrella and who does not. Jim, your opinion is noted and given as much attention as it's worth.[rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

Who do we trust, Michael Reagan and not his fathers other children because they can not be trusted?. Are you saying he failed his children, except Michael .
If you do not want Liberals, which is a small group to select who falls under the Conservative umbrella, you need do the same for other groups.
Carlos you right. Reagan would fit in with your group . After reviewing what Reagan did,it is apparent why!
Conservatives try and make Reagans place in history sound different than it was. Below are a few of his highlights of his time as President.

Reagan’s Administration Had More Documented Corruption Than Any President in U.S. History
At least 138 Reagan administration officials, including several cabinet members, were investigated for, indicted for, or convicted of crimes. This is the largest number of any U.S. President. Many of them were pardoned by Reagan or President Bush before they could even stand trial.
Secretary of the Interior James Watt —Indicted on 21 felonies
Attorney General Edwin Meese —Resigned after investigations of corruption
Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger—Charged with Iran-Contra crimes and pardoned before going to trial
Assistant Secretary of State Elliot Abrams—Plea bargained for Iran-Contra crimes and pardoned by President Bush
Two National Security Advisors Robert MacFarlane and John Poindexter—Pleaded guilty to Iran-Contra crimes and were pardoned
Three high ranking CIA officials, Alan Fiers, Clair George, and Joseph Fernandez —Convicted and pardoned for Iran-Contra crimes
At least nine Reagan appointees were convicted of perjury, lying to Congress, obstruction of Congress, or contempt of Congress
Reagan Frequently Repeated Bald-Faced Lies Even After They Were Publicly Revealed to Be Untrue

He told stories about having been a U.S. Army photographer assigned to film Nazi death camps. Reagan never visited or filmed any such camps.
He often told a story about a “Chicago Welfare Queen” who had 80 aliases and gotten $150,000 in welfare. She never existed but investigators did find one woman who had two aliases and received $8,000. Still, Reagan continued to tell the false version of the story.
He claimed that trees create more pollution than automobiles, an absurdly untrue statement that he literally pulled out of thin air.

Reagan Ignored the Atrocities Committed by Saddam Hussein
Even after the whole world condemned Saddam Hussein for using chemical weapons to kill over 5,000 Kurdish civilians in Iraq, the Reagan administration continued to provide weapons and tactical information to Iraq. Iraq used this information to target its enemies with chemical weapons. Reagan even vetoed a UN resolution condemning Iraq.

Reagan Caved in to the Demands of Terrorists Again
After Reagan sent Marines to Beirut for a peacekeeping mission, a terrorist’s truck bomb killed 241 U.S. Marines. Reagan responded by immediately doing exactly what the terrorists wanted, pulling all the troops out of Beirut.
Reagan Failed to Defend US From Saddam Hussein
When an Iraqi fighter jet fired a missile into a U.S. Navy ship in 1987, killing 37 men, Reagan did nothing in response to the attack. Iraq is still the only non-allied country to attack a U.S. warship without retaliation.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, Ronald Reagan would be at home in today's Republican Party.

Jim Forsythe

Without a doubt he would be at home, as some in power are doing the same as he did.
He does check off the boxes that the conservatives seem to think is required to be President now.
Only one person that could say if Reagan would be a part of that, passed away.
To speculate what he would have done, is just that, speculation.

Carlos you right. Reagan would fit in with your group . After reviewing what Reagan did, it is apparent why!
But it does not mean that he would have wanted to be associated with it.

Bailey Jones

That's a good summary, but it gives the impression that the switch from D to R was all about political philosophy. What I remember is the racism. The Democrats in the south were the party of Jim Crow and racial segregation. When the national party began to embrace racial equality after WW2, the Dixiecrats split from the party and, while they returned to the party after the 1948 election, the ideological split remained. In the 1960 election, rather than vote for the more liberal JFK, 15 southern electors broke with the popular vote and went with Harry F. Byrd - a rabid segregationist. Around the same time, the John Birch Society gave an organizational framework to southern Democrats who opposed racial equality, immigration and free trade. George Wallace, one of the most popular racists of the time, challenged LBJ in 1964, then ran a wildly successful 3rd party campaign in 1968, winning 5 southern states. It was obvious that southern racists (and to be fair, other conservatives) were ready for an alternative to the Democrats, and Nixon took advantage with his Southern Strategy, hyping fear of the rising political power of African Americans. As Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips put it, "From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are." Reagan put a happy California face on it all, and here we are.

Curtiss Brown

History is hard.

Dan Freeman

Two references:
Alwyn Barr (1996) Black Texans: A History of African Americans in Texas, 1528-1995, Second Ed., Norman, OK, U Oklahoma Press.

Sean P. Cunningham (2010) Cowboy Conservatism: Texas and the Rise of the Modern Right, Lexington, KY, U Kentucky Press.

Gary Miller

Yes, time changes everything. Reagan was our greatest president back then. Not today. Kennedy wouldn't recognize the Democrat party of Pelosi and AOC.

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