Last year, former Vice President Joe Biden bragged that he threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine in 2016 — unless they fired their chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin.

To paraphrase Biden: “If you don’t fire your chief prosecutor (Shokin), you don’t get the $1 billion.”

Shokin was fired.

Western agencies claimed Shokin was corrupt because he refused to cooperate with the U.K.’s Serious Fraud Office. The office was investigating possible money laundering by Burisma Holdings, a Ukranian energy company owned by Mykola Zlochevsky, oligarch and friend to Russian President Vladimir Putin. On Burisma’s board of directors sat Hunter Biden. Despite no expertise in either energy or Ukraine he collected $50,000 per month.

But Shokin was secretly investigating Burisma. We know that because Ukrainian documents (available online) have been released proving it. What’s not reported is why the Ukrainians were trying to keep the investigation secret.

Look at this from the 2016 Ukrainian perspective. You’re in a crippling war with Russia. Your economy is dependent on financial aid that the USA is providing directly and through the International Monetary Fund. President Barack Obama has picked Biden to be the point man on Ukraine. Your chief prosecutor is investigating Burisma. Biden’s son sits on the board of Burisma. Given those circumstances, would you tip an investigation to anyone?

At the time, the American public relations firm Blue Star Strategies (run by former Clinton officials) was handling Burisma’s American government relations’ efforts. They were introduced to Burisma by Hunter Biden.

There’s hard evidence Blue Star Strategies did know of the investigation. Blue Star Strategies sought a meeting with Shokin just before his firing. In Shokin’s own words: “The purpose of their visit was an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures on the activities of the Prosecutor General’s office of Ukrainian in regards to the investigation of criminal activities of Zlochevsky.”

The idea Blue Star Strategies wouldn’t communicate their knowledge of the investigation to Hunter Biden is absurd. Not only was Hunter their entry into Burisma, the press release on Hunter’s board appointment states that he would “be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit…”

Interestingly, the case against Zlochevsky was closed after Joe Biden had Shokin fired.

In 2018, Ukrainian journalist Dmytro Gnap published a recording with fugitive lawmaker Oleksandr Onyshchenko. Onyschenko claims that Zlochevsky paid $100 million to make the criminal case disappear. Onyshchenko also claims that Burisma is insulated from U.S. scrutiny because Hunter Biden is on the board of Burisma.

In the young democracies of Eastern Europe, companies seek individuals with last names that can ease their entry into global power circles.

These people “grease the skids” with western entities and their board presence serves as a political deterrent to investigations that may interfere with the young country’s economic growth.

Sound “swampy?” Did President Donald Trump promise to drain the swamp?

The truth is that only a request from America’s president could’ve given political cover to any Ukrainian investigation into the swamp known as American politics.

Norman Pappous lives in Galveston.

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Emile Pope

What a bunch of garbage and nonsense. Shokin was on the take and refused to investigate Burisma. He absolutely refused to do any investigating at all. The US and others considered him corrupt. And since he refused to investigate corruption the US, not Biden insisted that he be fired. So your claim is totally false. Second, it is illegal for any individual, any, to ask a foreign leader or power for help in a US election. That's the law. And asking another government to dig up dirt on a political opponent is illegal. And stopping desperately needed aid a country needs to fight off communism to force them to do it is despicable. Donald, without explanation, stopped aid from going to Ukraine and then made investigating Joe Biden a condition of its release. That's a crime and all the drawn out explanations don't change a thing.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/opinion/trump-ukraine-republican.html

Carlos Ponce

Was Uncle Joe embellishing his role in the firing of Shokin when he said:

"I remember going over (to Ukraine), convincing our team … that we should be providing for loan guarantees. … And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from (then Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko) and from (then-Prime Minister Arseniy) Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor (Shokin). And they didn’t. ...They were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, ... we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, ‘You have no authority. You’re not the president.’ … I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. ... I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a b*tch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time." ?

Now, the Liberal media portrays Shokin as the bad guy here who needed ouster. Other sources indicate he was trying to rout out corruption in the Ukraine and was stepping on too many toes, European and American, in revealing that corruption. What's the truth? This calls for an investigation - which is what President Trump asked for under the terms of a treaty with the Ukraine signed by President Bill Clinton, ratified by the Senate, including Senator Joe Biden in October 2000.

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

What does Viktor Mikolajovich Shokin say about his ouster in official testimony?

"The truth is I was forced out because I was leading a wide ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"). a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors..."

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

Emile Pope

"And they put in place someone who was solid at the time". " And they put in place someone who was solid at the time"...

Carlos Ponce

"And they put in place someone who was solid at the time" - solid that they would leave his son alone. Who replaced him? That would be Yuriy Lutsenko. Ukrainian law said the Prosecutor General must have a law degree. Yuriy Lutsenko had none so they amended the law to allow him to serve.

But "Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigations (SBI) opened criminal proceedings against Yuriy Lutsenko over his possible abuse of power, the government agency said. It said that Lutsenko and other former lawmakers may have conspired to 'provide cover' for illegal gambling businesses in Ukraine. Lutsenko disputes the allegations."

See "Ukraine opens case against former prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko" October 1, 2019

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/10/01/ukraine-opens-case-against-ex-prosecutor-yuriy-lutsenko/3828779002/

" And they put in place someone who was solid at the time" - Did he turn un-solid since that time?

Harvey Rice

This is just a distraction from the traitorous behavior of Donald Trump, who already is under the spell of Putin, a sworn U.S. enemy. The real issue is Trump using taxpayer paid-for military aid to blackmail a foreign power into interfering in U.S. elections. Even if the Biden accusation was true, which it's not, it's small potatoes compared to the egregious abuse of power displayed by the current U.S. president.

Carlos Ponce

Harvey, what you post is NONSENSE.

Keith Gray

Yeah Harvey.... that's pretty thin, but it makes good democratic propaganda and a typical Micheal Moore movie.

Curtiss Brown

On the nose Harvey. The rest of this stuff is just a diversion to distract attention from the crime.

Robert Braeking

Trump's conversation with Ukraine was necessary because the deep state operatives within the US government are not going to pursue the matter. It is all tied to the CIA operative who is the 'whistle blower' and the shoddy investigation of Clinton's private server and the spying on the Trump campaign and administration.



The lie is the friend of the left and their accomplices in the press.

Bailey Jones

This whole Hunter Biden thing stinks. There's no need for an investigation - it's obvious why an otherwise unqualified lawyer like Hunter is on the payroll - his daddy was VEEP. Children using their father's political position for financial gain is corruption, plain and simple. Right Don, Eric, Ivanka, Jared? I wonder what the author of this letter would be saying if, in 2015, Obama had asked some foreign leader, "Hey, would you do me a favor? A lot of people think these Trump kids are up to something - can you investigate them for me?" Corruption stinks, as does hypocrisy. (And yes, I'll gladly throw Biden under the bus if it means Trump goes down with him. But I doubt seriously that I'll ever hear a Trumpster question the ethics of the Trumpkids.)

Carlos Ponce

"And yes, I'll gladly throw Biden under the bus if it means Trump goes down with him." Trump nor his kids will go down. They are being investigated daily by the Left who have found nothing. But I wonder who benefits from this disclosure and notice Elizabeth Warren's numbers have gone up while Joe is losing points.

Curtiss Brown

All irrelevant Professor Jones. It doesn't matter who or what Hunter is. Joe Biden is an announced candidate for president. In our country, under our constitution, it is not proper to seek foreign assistance to affect an election. Nothing else matters. Trump clearly violated our democratic norms and busted through the constitution for his own personal political benefit.

Bailey Jones

I agree with you about Trump. But Trump's corruption doesn't take away from Biden's.

Diane Turski

Trump's Ukraine call is an impeachable attempt by Trump, the self-appointed King of the Swamp, to extort a foreign leader to dig up non-existent mud to throw at Trump's perceived 2020 election opponent.

Pelosi's response calling for an Impeachment Inquiry is a legitimate legal procedure that truly attempts to "drain the swamp"!!

Carlos Ponce

"Trump's Ukraine call is an impeachable attempt by Trump" - There is nothing in that call that warrants impeachment. Here is the link:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Now, show me what you think is impeachable. There is NOTHING there that warrants impeachment, Dianne.

Pelosi's Impeachmet Inquiry was not brought to the House floor for a vote. Why not? This way ONLY the Democrats can subpoena witnesses, Republicans cannot. Does that seem fair?

Robert Braeking

It is not impeachable, Diane. It is within the purview of the executive branch of the government to enforce the law no matter if is through diplomatic means, which the state department is also a part of the executive. If you think it is impeachable then what is the law that was violated?????? Quote US Code please.

Emile Pope

Asking a foreign country to aid in a US election is illegal. What part of that don't you understand?

Carlos Ponce

Trump did not ask a foreign country to aid in a US election. What part of that don't you understand? If he did, SHOW ME where he asked a foreign country to aid a US election. I TRIPLE DOG DARE you. LET THE DOGS OUT!!!!!

Emile Pope

Your president is a crook...

Carlos Ponce

Oh, I see. Emile made a ridiculous remark and CANNOT back it so he makes another ridiculous remark! It's sad that we have individuals who will base their vote on Left wing propaganda instead of truth. No matter. President Trump will win Galveston County and the State of Texas again.

Casey Alan

Trump was elected president in November 2016. From my memory no republican was allowing any Democrat to do anything. Suppose he could’ve mentioned something months before he was out of office but really couldn’t do anything about it because ”lame duck “. My understanding there’s no evidence or proof anywhere. Any rate it’s against the law wrong, immoral, whatever you want to say for any president or candidate to seek outside help from another foreign government to help them win an election. I think Trump would have got the message with Russia. But I guess you can get away with it once you figure you can get away with it twice. He must be desperate. Why would anybody want a president who cannot win on his own merit. Congress won’t do anything about. Only care for their party no the country.

Carlos Ponce

"I think Trump would have got the message with Russia."

The Mueller Report is clear on this, no collaboration. And the current Ukraine call shows no quid pro quo, no asking Ukraine to interfere with the 2020 election. What is there is Trump trying to clear up Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election.

Emile Pope

Your president is a crook...

Carlos Ponce

Repeating a ridiculous remark.

Charles Douglas

Great article Mr. Pappous! You laid it out like a pro! You systematically presented it where the squirrels can feast on the truth, and yet the giraffes has equal access!!! It does not matter where you eat, high or low, this Op-ed is a juicy buffet for your pleasure!

Jim Forsythe

At anytime Clinton can be investigated, and it has happened.? Jan 05, 2018 · The FBI has been investigating the Clinton Foundation. Jun 21, 2017 · Hillary Clinton is under investigation AGAIN for her handling of government emails

Nov 06, 2016 · During the course of the Benghazi investigation. The results after investigations, including 8 Benghazi investigations, not what some want. When the proof of wrong doing is presented, conviction will happen.



How many of Trumps appointments are in jail or are awaiting trial and or sentencing?

Pompeo said that he knew nothing about the phone call when he was on Sunday tv, and now confirms he was on call between Trump and Ukraine leader. Rudy Giuliani is all over the place and needs to be investigated to understand what part he has played. Australia, Italy, and others received phone calls, for what reason. Also Trumps trying to out the whistleblower, is also being investigated. The Trump kids and the part they played.

The Ukraine Investigation is one of the six or more investigations that are happening about Trump actives. Once these are over the results will be looked at, and then it will be decided if Trump will face impeachment. Bill Clinton was impeached based on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. Has Trump reached that level?

Don’t forget the other whistleblower, that is alleging possible interference with the IRS audit of the president’s tax returns.

Jim Forsythe

Almost forgot, Democrats investigating a whistleblower’s allegations against President Donald Trump pressed Rick Perry on Tuesday for information about his May travels to Ukraine, opening a rare window into the energy secretary’s role as an emissary for some of the administration’s most sensitive international missions.

Carlos Ponce

A waste of time but let them investigate. Will you be told when they find.....NOTHING. I doubt it. Wasted Days, wasted nights, wasted tax payer's money.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Ponce, I think CROOKED is planning on jumping back in the race!!!! She can't stay away!!!! I guess she figures anybody who would let BETO, or SPARTACUS run, ....won't stand in her way of grabbing at that brass ring a third time! I believe she honestly think she can take Trump out inspite of all the baggage she has compounded upon baggage she had last time. She should call Cruz, Marco, Graham, MUELLER, and JEB, and learn that taking Trump out is easier said than done!

Carlos Ponce

Let her run. With a sound thrashing at the polls maybe this time she'll go away.

Dalton Logan

I agree with Mr. Douglas, Hilary is looking to get back in. The DNC and the lamestream media will be the ones who eventually will decide who will be the democratic candidate, not the people. She has being laying dormant for a while but you will be seeing and reading more about her. You will know when the media/DNC starts taking down the other contenders one at a time clearing a path for her. Look around, see how much more you are already seeing her then just a month ago.

Jim Forsythe

Michal Atkinson became Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG) in May 2018. He was nominated to the position in November 2017 by President Donald Trump. He is the one that decided that the complaint needed to be looked at. I guess he forgot to ask Carlos. He is doing his job, just as the members of the House are doing the job they took a oath to do. The question that needs to be answered, is the President doing his job he took a oath for, or should he take a place with other Presidents that have been impeached?

"A whistleblower on Aug. 12 filed a complaint with the inspector general of the intelligence community, who found the information credible and determined that under the law it should be forwarded to the congressional intelligence committees.“In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election,” the whistleblower complaint reads. “This interference includes, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals. The President’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudolph Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort. Attorney General Barr appears to be involved as well.” When Michal received this compliant, he was required to take action.

Carlos Ponce

Apparently Jim has not heard the news on Adam Schiff.

Jim Forsythe

You mean, Trump made a call that may have been against the law!

That, this is being investigated to see if it meets the standard that the full House needs to look at it.

That Trump has done this to himself.

That Adam Schiff did not call Ukraine.

That Mr. Atkinson is the one that said it needs to be looked at.

That Trump thinks it would be a good idea to out the whistleblower.

That several of his people are involved in this.

That other place like Australia were also called.

That Adam Schiff is not the reason for the investigation

Carlos Ponce

No Jim, that's old news, old fake news. Try less Liberal news, a LOT less Liberal.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, the investigation is going on even if you do not think it should.

Volker, who resigned his post as the U.S. special representative for Ukraine last week, will testify Thursday in a deposition. What is Kurt Volker expected to say. The former special representative for Ukraine negotiations, will dispute Rudy Giuliani’s account of back channel meetings with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Carlos Ponce

Stay tuned, Jim. Don't be surprised at the outcome!

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, the only way to be surprised is to have already have made up your mind as to the outcome. You have done so, which may lead to a surprise for you. With many to testify, the outcome is a long way off. The House is just in the fact finding faze, and have a long way to go. You never know, missing minutes in a phone call, may come into play.

I will not be surprised by any outcome!

Carlos Ponce

Don't be surprised at the outcome!

Carlos Ponce

Why is Hillary being re-investigated? Because the original investigations reeked of Coverup.

Carl Hungus

The deep state conspiracy theory garbage that trump humpers buy into is un-freaking believable. How can people be so gullible? I guess these are the same people that believe everything a used car salesperson says to them.

Carlos Ponce

"How can people be so gullible?" I never understood that too, Carl Hungus. Being a Liberal is easy - Put your mind on hold and let the propaganda machine feed you with unsubstantiated claims. And the gullible Liberals swallow it whole - hook, line and sinker.

Donald Roccaforte

Carl, I understand where you are coming from. The Democrats have been hanging their hat on impeachment for over 30 months believing theory after theory, promise after promise and lie after lie from car salesmen Schiff and Nadler. The promise to impeach him began immediately after his election and will continue on into his second term.

Charles Douglas

Carl, they are not gullible. They are just Trump haters gone wild! They are out to get him, because of the good he is doing and the changes he is making! Changing the supreme court, protecting the constitution. He is building the wall, bringing jobs back without that MAGIC WANE, which was OBAMA'S excuse for not bringing those jobs back. He said himself that a magic wane was needed to bring those type jobs bacķ, but yet we have his SUPPORTERS declaring loudly and unashamedly that Obama was the orchestrator of all the manufacturing jobs coming back to America, when they know Trump's tax cuts, and regulation removal are the reasons our economy is booming! So there is no use in debating the issue, these people need to be shown! This will take place when TRUMP is reelected! I hope all those who swore on a stack of bibles they would leave the country if he won the last time will man up and follow through after he win the next time! I know some people WHO KNOW some people, and we will be willing to kick in to purchase one way tickets for those who want to get out of here!

Dan Freeman

Mr. Pappous summarizes the case against Vice President Biden and his son Hunter. Let’s examine Pappous’ sources. He begins by asserting various agencies including the U.K. Serious Fraud Office were investigating Viktor Shokin. A more complete statement would be that the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD were investigating Mr. Shokin’s corrupt activities. His special prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, resigned Feb 15 2016 denouncing Shokin’s lawless corruption. The next day Shokin resigned his office. He was formally dismissed on March 29, an act praised by the European Union.



Mr. Biden, speaking on behalf of President Obama and the EU, did threaten to withhold funds from the Ukraine in December 2015 unless Shokin was fired. The European anti-corruption agencies wanted Shokin out because Shokin was blocking investigations of Mykola Zlochevsky, an oligarch and crony of Vladimir Putin’s.



Pappous cites an unsupported recording by Oleksandr Onyshchenko that Zlochevsky paid a bribe to make a prosecution go away. As you might suspect Mr. Onyshchenko has also been accused of corruption and been stripped of parliamentary immunity in July of 2016.



To summarize the summary, Pappous uses known corrupt politicians and oligarchs to smear the Biden family.

Carlos Ponce

The Biden family doesn't need Norman's column to raise questions.

Charles Douglas

Yes Amen Mr. PONCE, and I noticed Mr. Freeman spoke on every little Liberal talking point trying to say nothing wrong here, ....except he did not explain all that money HUNTER BIDEN was getting when he knew nothing, and could add nothing to earn It!! I really hate it when people urinate on your leg and BOLDLY proclaim, " Don't worry about that little moisture, just a little rain ...that's all! Hunter and his Dad Joe, were being BOUGHT like SLAVES on the auction block in North Carolina were years ago, in the Ukraine and in China! Man!! ..a desert rock in the desert of New Mexico could figure that out! Forget the politics because Trump is going to win anyway! Hilliary was suppose to, along with the deep state ...COVER everything up! However, as we all know, Hilliary laid an egg! She is haunted by her loss to this day because she felt entitled to be President! Somebody should have notified DJ TRUMP is all I'm saying.....

Charles Douglas

One other thing about the Bidens! In his first term when his son Beu died, he was on the verge of having to sell his family home to cope with expenses! He told Obama, and out of his own mouth, he said Obama made him promise not to sell his home! He said Obama told him, "Joe don't sell your house, I'll get you the money!" Now, Joe, Hunter, and Obama, and CROOKED, are filthy multi millionaires, each and every one of them! Not to worry though, ... the tooth fairy left them all that money.

Mike Zeller

Charles, shame on you! I'm now going to have to add you to the "Cherry Picker" list. Here's the rest of the story: "Biden said he ultimately did not need to sell his home and suggested he had not accepted money from the president.The White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, said the incident was representative of the Obama and Biden’s friendship. Earnest said: “Obviously, the president and the vice-president have developed the kind of personal relationship that just transcends their professional responsibilities.” Sounds like they all invested their money wisely. And finally, instead of deflection, tell us what was so "Perfect" about the Trump phone call.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Zeller> I will admit the President goes off with his mouth a little to much for me. However, Ohama just bought several multi million dollar homes himself! I noticed he is throwing cash around he did not have a few years ago. DO you think that Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and others, are as wealthy as they are today because they invested wisely? I DON'T! No matter the party, ...I think there needs to be term limits to help combat corruption, and influence peddling in D.C. A slip of the tongue from Chuck Schumer awhile back allowed me to get a glimpse of what the Deep State and our intelligence agencies are doing and how they are operatiňg in the United States! I see no difference in many of their methods and those being used in Russia and China now! Before Schumer, bragged on national TV about the prowess and effectiveness of the Deep State, Eric Snowden let the world know how spying was happening and being conducted in this country. This is what the President is facing now! Everybody is spying on him, and trying to take him out! The same people, and artists ... then will cover up the deeds, misconduct, and crimes of others who they support like Biden and Hunter. Like that picture of Obama and Farrakhan which did not see the light of day for eight long years while Obama was President. Like that missing server of Hilliary Clinton! Where is the fairness and balance for all? There is a lot to be done if we are going to survive as a country. Today the breech great, and the fabric of this nation is unraveling. Change needs to come. Real change.

Jim Forsythe

Most ex Presidents and such make money by making speeches and book deals. With the amount they make on just these actives, they can afford Million dollar homes.

The rights to books written by Bill Clinton and George W. Bush sold for $15 million and $10 million, respectively.

The Obamas are getting a record-setting book deal worth at least $65 million----Feb 28, 2017,

Trumps book deals worth ?

$400,000 per speech is Obama's standard fee

George W. Bush since leaving office---$20 million and as much as $35 million in speaking fees.

After Clinton left office, from 2001 through 2012, he made at least $104 million in speaking fees

George W. Bush at least $20 million and as much as $35 million in speaking fees he's raked in.

After Trump leaves office?

Jim Forsythe

Nancy Pelosi and her husband made a great deal of money in Real Estate, before she ever even got involved in Politics

Nancy Pelosi and husbands net worth is about $120 Million which is a lot less than Trumps, who also made his money in Real Estate.

Joe Biden's net worth is $1.5 million in 2019. His salary as vice president was $230,000, and some reports suggest his pension is worth $248,000 per year. In addition, Biden is reported to make an estimated $100,000 per speaking engagement. His book deal, $8 million.

Charles Douglas

Good info Jim. You forgot, to plug in Bill Clinton's sweet deal he got from Russia just before or just after Hilliary signed off on that Uranium deal. DON'T they make bombs with that stuff? I won ask you to do Maxine Waters, and Hunter Biden I'll let them drop.

Charles Douglas

Jim, ..guess I should add this in the interest of full disclosure. You lumped Bill Clinton's speech earnings together as one sum, but if you break them out, you will see where when his wife became Head of the State Department, ...foreign countries began paying him a half billion dollars or more per speech. What would a reasonable person think about that? I don't like to use that Google thing, but it comes in handy sometimes.

Jim Forsythe

The Uranium One was a battel cry of Sean Hannity . Noting has ever come from investigations. If anything was there, Trump would have pushed for another investigation. Uranium One is a company that has gone through a bunch of hands over the past decades. They have mines and resources all over the world, having merged and acquired multiple companies in this field. Their resources include many in Asia and I believe in Kazakhstan. The US resources actually cover about 20 percent of our CAPACITY to produce uranium, but in reality they produce very little here – maybe 2 percent. A Russian consortium started to build up interest in this company in the latter 2000s and was finally approved to get a majority control of it after 9 separate US agencies and departments looked at it, including the completely non-partisan Nuclear Regulatory Commission as well as the regulators in Utah. All the departments approved the deal as part of a resetting of our relations with Russia, and mostly because the deal was considered to be of no real impact to national security anyway. It was a good-faith thing, showing we could be a good business partner. Nothing really sinister about it, and no real indication that Hillary Clinton had anything to do with it beyond eventually hearing about it along with President Obama, with all the departments telling them this was a no-brainer. This has nothing to do with the Trump, Ukraine thing.

Carlos Ponce

"If anything was there, Trump would have pushed for another investigation."

HE IS. The Uranium One deal was COVERED UP. But currently Trump is trying to look into the interference by the Ukrainians into interference in the 2016 elections but the Democrats are trying to cast him as the bad guy here. Look at the headline. Then look at the source and the date of the following:

"Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton." By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN 01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Must be cold in DC with every Democrat trying to COVER UP.

Jim Forsythe

Part of Maxine Waters' money came from her second husband, Sid Williams, who played professional football in the NFL and is a former U.S. Ambassador to the Bahamas under the Clinton Administration. You may not like her but, she received 70% of the vote for her seat.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, you link had nothing to do with The Uranium One deal.01/11/2017

The article you used was posted 01/11/2017 . When is this investigation going to happen?

Trump now is now asking China to join in on his act of trying to cover up his mess.

"Before heading to Florida, Trump told reporters that, in addition to his request that Ukraine try to dig up dirt on his political rival Joe Biden and Biden’s son, China also should get in the game. Trump said, “China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”"

The chair of the Federal Election Commission, Ellen Weintraub (a George W. Bush appointee), Weintraub tweeted out a copy of the statement she sent earlier in the summer, writing at the top of the tweet: “I would not have thought that I needed to say this.” The memorandum begins, “Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office. It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.” In this instance, the president is soliciting China, a communist nation whose spying apparatus has not only gone after American state secrets but has pirated billions of dollars worth of our technological advances.

Carlos Ponce

"When is this investigation going to happen?" Now, if the Democrats will stop trying to block it. The link had nothing to do with Uranium One. I never said it did. The link points out WHY Trump wants Ukraine to investigate corruption. I keep reading Democrats post, "What's Trump going to do to prevent future election interference?" Since Ukrainian interference was essentially swept under the rug it's now time now that they have new leadership. The 2016 interference happened under Obama's watch. He told the Russians to "Cut it out". Trump wants to stop ALL interference but Democrats want to impeach him for trying.

Jim Forsythe

The issue this posting is about, did the Trump ask Ukrainians, to get into the USAs elections.It is not about Uranium One or any other issue. If anything else comes up, that will be a different. issue.

Trump has been in office almost 3 years and still has excuses why he can not get it done. Ineffective Leadership is being demonstrated each day by Trump. Otherwise, he would be able to get the things he wants, done. He can not keep the people he picks to help him, from going to jail or quitting. He does not work well with others so he does not get it done. If he is reelected, he will be a lame duck and be less able to get thing done. It you like what he does, continue to back him.

Trump wants to stop ALL interference, so he reaches out to China, Ukraine and others to ask for help. This is what has him in the spotlight so bright, that he can no longer hang out in the shadows.

When is this investigation going to happen? If the White House were to ask the FBI to open the case they could conduct the investigation, the FBI could do that! I guess he is not able to get it done.

Carlos Ponce

"did the Trump ask Ukrainians, to get into the USAs elections" READ THE TRANSCRIPT of the phone call. It is CLEAR he did not!

Jim Forsythe

You can believe what you want, because the House will give us a report in a short time on what happened.

Getting this kind of help from China, Ukraine is not good for the USA's health. This is also will set what we are going to allow in the next Presidents, as far as getting help from places like China.

Mitt Romney ✔ @MittRomney :

When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated.

‘Of course I did’: Giuliani acknowledges asking Ukraine to investigate Biden

lawmakers are investigating any connection between the review of foreign aid to Ukraine and the efforts to pressure Kiev to look into Mr. Biden.

Carlos Ponce

"because the House will give us a report in a short time on what happened." And if the "House" report is anything like Adam Schiff's recitation of Trump's phone call it will be a lot of BS. Not to worry, Trump is gaining strength with wevery step the Democrats take. And Mitt Romney is still throwing a hissy fit because Trump won his election but he lost.

Jim Forsythe

In a case in which a government official is allegedly using his office for personal gain, and pressuring someone to extract a favor, the bribery and extortion statutes are usually considered. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which prohibits bribery of foreign officials, may also have been implicated.

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said on Saturday it was "completely inappropriate" for President Trump to urge China to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. : Representative Mark Amodei was not prepared for the backlash from his fellow Republicans when he said Congress needed to “follow the facts” and look into whether President Trump should be impeached. : Republican Ben Sasse, issued some of the harshest language yet attacking Trump's China comments. "Hold up: Americans don't look to Chinese commies for the truth,". "If the Biden kid broke laws by selling his name to Beijing, that's a matter for American courts, not communist tyrants running torture camps."

In Michigan, Representative Fred Upton told an audience at the Detroit Economic Club that while he did not support an impeachment inquiry, “there are legitimate questions” about Mr. Trump’s interactions with Ukraine, and he had no problem with Democrats’ efforts to get more information. :Pennsylvania, Representative Brian Fitzpatrick said he thinks law enforcement should investigate. In Illinois, Representative Adam Kinzinger said, “I want to know what happened here.” Representative Jamie Herrera Beutler, “for sake of this nation we should all follow a process that does not put conclusions before facts.”

The president told House Republicans during a conference call on Friday: “Not a lot of people know this but, I didn’t even want to make the call. The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquified natural gas] plant.”

Jim Forsythe

You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.

Carlos Ponce

President Trump was obeying his oath by following the tenets of treaties with the Ukraine and China signed by a previous president (Bill Clinton) and ratified by the US Senate. Not to worry. Trump will be re-elected in November 2020.

Jim Forsythe

This is what the House is going yo find out, did he do his duty to the people of the USA and not just one group, but all.

Carlos Ponce

Looks like Jim is following the Democrat Party false narrative.

Jim Forsythe

You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.

Carlos Ponce

"Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office." That is complete FICTION that goes outside the Constitution.

Jim Forsythe

If you would stop and read this statement, you might agree with it. It was true when Lindsey Graham first said it, and it is true now. Lindsey Graham knows more about the Constitution than you do, otherwise you would not have just made the statement you just did.

Carlos Ponce

If it is not in the Constitution, not even Lindsey Graham can add it in there by himself. Now, if he wants to AMEND the Constitution he can try. Until then IT'S NOT THERE.

Carlos Ponce

By the way, Lindsey Graham has said a lot of things I do not agree with.

Jim Forsythe

You are against Lindsey Graham, one of Trump's most vocal backers?

After the House investigations, maybe you will see it different. If your answer is no matters what, the President did not do it then your answers are always going to be excuses and this is what he meant when he said that.

Carlos Ponce

It depends on what he says, Jim. You seem to like the quote you posted. Does that mean you like 100% of EVERYTHING he says???? I don't think so.

Jim Forsythe

Are you one of the Republican's that's Eating One Of Their Own?

Since Trump and Graham are buds, I figured you were to.

Carlos Ponce

I verify statements made by anybody - even Jim Forsythe. I even have disputed the president in his attempt to extend amnesty to parents of "Dreamers" and those who claim they are "Dreamers" even though they never signed up in the program.

Charles Douglas

Apologies ...500 millions per speech & not billions!

Charles Douglas

I will have to quit posting at three and four in the morning! Ole Bill wasn't make 500 billion or millions ...how about thousands? I'll settle for that. My apologies for both mistakes.

Jim Forsythe

Charles, is it the amount of money per speech what you think is wrong, Which one of the below speech's do you think were wrong for him to give? Escalating prices is common after a person gets in a power seat. One example, Trump increased his fees at Mar-a-Lago at the Palm Beach resort owned by the Trump Organization, doubled its initiation fee to $200,000 following the election of Donald Trump as president. Was he selling access to him, if some pays more?

Clinton indeed gave 13 speeches for which he made more than $500,000. Eleven of those occurred since January 2009, when Hillary Clinton became secretary of state.

Here’s a list of all the speeches for which Clinton received a fee of $500,000 or higher, including the year, location, host and actual fee:2003 -- Japan, $500,000 Sakura Asset Management (Japanese finance corporation) (A note: This speech was canceled, but the fee went to Clinton’s presidential library foundation);2008 -- California, $500,000, Power Within (life coach Anthony Robbins’ brand);2010 -- Russia, $500,000, Renaissance Capital (Russian finance corporation);2010 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Novo Nordisk (Danish pharmaceutical company);2011 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper);2011 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental organization); 2011 -- Netherlands, $600,000, Achmea (Dutch finance Corporation); 2011 -- China, $550,000, Huatuo CEO Forum (business conference); 2011 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Abu Dhabi Global Environmental Data Initiative (international environmental information organization);2011 -- Hong Kong, $750,000, Ericsson (Swedish multinational communications technology company);2012 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper); 2012 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental org2012 .2012 -- Italy, $500,000, Technogym (fitness equipment manufacturer).anization);

Clinton gave 13 speeches for which he made more than $500,000. Eleven of those occurred since January 2009, when Hillary Clinton became secretary of state. Charles, I just found this.--- “The Donald earned a staggering $1.5 million per speech at The Learning Annex’s ‘real estate wealth expos’ in 2006 and 2007,” according to Forbes. “Trump appeared at 17 seminars and collected this fee for each one.” which means that Clinton amount per speech, may have been low, in comparison.

Charles Douglas

Jim, I'm in full agreement and have no reason to doubt your info. The only question I will raise is DJ TRUMP did not have a wife as Secretary Of State doing the time he was making his money on speeches. There were many questionable donations made to the Clinton Foundation during Hilliary's term as SECRETARY OF STATE. Many deals Hilliary signed off on when Bill was making all those half a million dollar speeches. I still cannot figure out why Clinton or even Obama would ok a deal to sell bomb making material ( Uranium ) to Russia of all nations. Russia who is thick with Iran, who wants to bomb Israel and America. Even if nothing was wrong, it was the appearance of corruption that should have been considered! I've read somewhere that after the Bidens went to China on their policy excursion back then, and Hunter came out with all that money for the organization he was representing, that America's navy changed how and where they patrolled in areas near China! That's not hard to fathom, .....if you ask yourself, ...WHAT DID CHINA GET FOR THAT 1.5 BILLION THEY GAVE TO THE BIDENS. Did Joe get any of It? Did Maxine waters get any of all those HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, she was laundering through her daughter for campaign interface with other Democrats? I don't know, but the appearance of wrong doing there was astronomical. Again, on the accuracy of your information I am in agreement, but the spell of wrongdoing is great.

Emile Pope

Garbage and disproven conspiracy theories. Taking all day to say nothing. dj trump is a criminal and has been one all his life. Now he's caught...

Jim Forsythe

Charles, you asked "I still cannot figure out why Clinton or even Obama would ok a deal to sell bomb making material to Russia of all nations" the answer is that the .uranium did not leave the USA .Clinton was just one of many that gave the OK for Uranium One.

Charles I'm guessing you know who Shepard Smith is,below is what he said:

Shepard Smith added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian company was exported to Russia, and the vast bulk of the donations to the Clinton Foundation were made by a man who had already sold his stake in the uranium company in 2007 – years before the Russian deal went through and about 18 months before Clinton became secretary of state.

Also Colin Chilcoat, an energy affairs specialist who has written extensively about Russia's energy deals said the following.The deal also “doesn’t allow for that uranium to be exported at all,” Chilcot told Fox News. “It’s not like it’s leaving the U.S. or somehow finding its way to more insidious players.”

Charles is the appearance of wrong doing there was astronomical is only with the Biden's or should we worry about Trump and his holdings all around the world, His Daughter and Son in Law that are in the White House also have companies that do business in places other than the USA. The Emoluments Clause is being tested to the max.

Carlos Ponce

Emile posted "Now he's caught..." That's a laugh. For an analogy watch the Road Runner Cartoons. Just as the Coyote [Democrats] think they have him, BEEP BEEP! and the tables are turned.

Emile Pope

Interesting how the people who concern themselves with the Bidens ignore the children of donald who are the epitome of corruption and are in the White House with clearances that we’re objected to by officials...

Carlos Ponce

"the children of donald who are the epitome of corruption" As usual, Emile offers no proof to back his post.

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