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Craig Mason

Same thing the republicans did in the Clinton impeachment. It started as a land deal called whitewater that was being investigated. The special prosecutor found no wrong doing and then a second special prosecutor named Ken Starr was appointed. He followed the republican marching orders and dug until he found something, a deposition from a lawsuit where Clinton had perjured himself. Then came Monica and the dress. The rest is history. I don’t want to hear your crying that this is unfair. Do your job congressmen Weber. If you are interested in some light comedy go back and watch the news clips with Lindsay Graham and Chuck Schumer on the opposite side of the issue from where they are now. It’s just history repeating itself because obviously we have failed to learn. So I say it again congressman, do your job!

Mike Zeller

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Mike Zeller

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Carlos Ponce

Everyday I expect to see Chief Inquisitor Adam Schiff show up in fishing gear since this is all they're doing. No matter what they do, President Trump will not be removed from office. What are they really doing? Daily the Democrats and their cohorts, the Liberal Media, are leading a political campaign trying to undermine support for the president in the 2020 Presidential Election.

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez revealed their real agenda: "And so this is not just about something that has occurred; this is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome from occurring next year.”

Usually you have to pay for political advertisement against your opponent. This way Democrats are getting it FREE.

Mike Zeller

Carlos your changing your story. First it was, Trump would not be impeached, now it is" Trump will not be removed from office". You must be watching the republican defense.

Bailey Jones

Try to keep up, Mike, the defense du jour is "don't judge, because Jesus".

Emile Pope

I thought it was he was too stupid but it’s “well it didn’t work”...how’s Roger Stone?

Bailey Jones

"how’s Roger Stone?" Looking forward to that pardon.

Carlos Ponce

"Looking forward to that pardon." I HEARBY PARDON BAILEY JONES.

Emile Pope

So is Manafort...

Carlos Ponce

Mike, I see you insist on me repeating the obvious. OK, Trump will NOT be impeached. Happy?

Gary Scoggin

Yes he will be impeached by the House. He won't be convicted and removed from office by the Senate.

Carlos Ponce

He won't be impeached, Gary. That is not the Democrat's aim.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, please enlighten me. What is the Democrats aim then?

Carlos Ponce

Someone is not paying attention. As a teacher we call this "reteaching" - repeating a lesson for those who don't get it or were not PAYING ATTENTION. This is what I posted on this very page:

"What are they really doing? Daily the Democrats and their cohorts, the Liberal Media, are leading a political campaign trying to undermine support for the president in the 2020 Presidential Election.

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez revealed their real agenda: "And so this is not just about something that has occurred; this is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome from occurring next year.”

Usually you have to pay for political advertisement against your opponent. This way Democrats are getting it FREE."

Gary Scoggin

So Rep. Weber, credible accusations that the President was withholding aid that you voted for pending the recipient doing him a political favor doesn’t bother you? Don’t you at least want to know all the facts?

Allison Buchtien

No, he doesn't want the facts. He just sticks his fingers in his ears and continues to be a Trump sycophant.

Carlos Ponce

Let the FACTS show funds were temporarily withheld from the Ukraine because Trump thought that European countries should contribute more to the situation and he wanted to see if Zelensky was the capable anti-corruption leader he claimed he was.

Let the record show another FACT: Yovanovitch testified things got better for the Ukraine after Trump took office. The Obama administration provided MREs and blankets to the Ukraine but did not act when it came to providing weaponry to counter the Russians. MREs and blankets are a nice gesture but when Russian tanks are rolling in a FGM-148 Javelin is more useful. Nothing against MREs and blankets - they fill the tummy and keep you warm.[whistling]

Read what Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said at the Inquiry:

"There was a delay on sending hard-earned tax dollars of the American people to Ukraine," Jordan admitted. "We’re not talking any country, we’re talking Ukraine. Ernst & Young said one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet. … So our president said, 'Time out. Time out, let’s check out this new guy. Let’s see if Zelensky’s the real deal. This new guy who got elected in April, whose party took power in July. Let’s see if he’s legitimate.' "

Jordan continued, "Now, keep in mind, in 2018 President Trump had already done more for Ukraine than Obama did. That’s right, President Trump — who doesn’t like foreign aid, who wanted European countries to do more, who knew how corrupt Ukraine was — did more than Obama because he gave them Javelins, tank-busting Javelins to fight the Russians. Our witnesses have said this, others have said this: 'Obama gave them blankets, Trump gave them missiles.' But when it came time to check out this new guy, President Trump said, 'Let’s just see, let’s just see if he’s legit.' "

"So for 55 days, we checked him out. President Zelensky had five interactions with senior U.S. officials in that time frame. One was, of course, the phone call, the July 25 phone call," the congressman explained. "And there were four other face-to-face meetings with other senior U.S. officials. And guess what, in not one of those interactions — not one — were security assistance dollars linked to investigating Burisma or Biden."

Bailey Jones

"Obama gave them blankets, Trump gave them missiles." - Just more Trump lies. "them missiles" are prohibited from use against the Russians - hmmmm...I wonder why Trump agreed to that?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/far-from-the-front-lines-javelin-missiles-go-unused-in-ukraine/

"But while there is evidence that the Javelin sale has been a powerful gesture of support for Kyiv, the missiles’ military application has been far more limited. Under the conditions of the foreign military sale, the Trump administration stipulates that the Javelins must be stored in western Ukraine—hundreds of miles from the battlefield. "

Emile Pope

What a bunch of unsupported garbage. Totally made up...

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, then why are the Russians so upset with the US sale of Javelins to the Ukraine?

Bailey Jones

Carlos, what part of "the Javelin sale has been a powerful gesture of support for Kyiv" is too difficult for you to understand?

Carlos Ponce

Repeating: Bailey, then why are the Russians so upset with the US sale of Javelins to the Ukraine?

Bailey Jones

lol - so your answer is "all of it".

Carlos Ponce

Repeating AGAIN: Bailey, then why are the Russians so upset with the US sale of Javelins to the Ukraine?

Bailey Jones

Oh, dear, Carlos. The Russians might well be upset that the US congress has taken a very public and concrete step in support of Ukraine - since they have invaded it and thus have the moral low ground. US military support encourages other countries to do the same with military and/or political support. And the restrictions on the missiles can be reversed by an act of congress, or maybe just an idiot's tweet, so that puts a damper on Russian movements. It's a threat that hangs over every future Russian decision in Ukraine. Think "Sword of Damocles".

Carlos Ponce

Wrap yourself up in an Obama blankie. I hear winter is coming.

Gary Scoggin

What’s funny is that everyone is stating these defenses but the President himself. But you have to keep up because they change every day.

Bailey Jones

"I made a mistake" is 4 words Trump has never uttered. You might as well be asking him to admit his real net worth.

Emile Pope

The aid wasn't released until the whistleblower made his complaint...

Carlos Ponce

The aid wasn't released because of the "whistleblower" complaint. And that complaint is filled with so many lies that only a complete and total fool would attach any credibility to it.[innocent]

Gary Scoggin

Carlos .. how do you know these things. You must have a pipeline straight to Sean Hannity.

Carlos Ponce

No Gary Scoggins, I do not have a pipeline straight to Sean Hannity. As you note in my posts I use information from the Left and the Right then arrive at the truth. There's a lot of misinformation out there. As a historian working at the Santa Fe Old School Museum and Vice President of the Santa Fe Area Historical Foundation I have learned to separate facts, stretches of the the truth, opinions and fiction.

Diane Turski

Randy Weber is a willfully ignorant embarrassment!! Do your job, Comrade Weber, and vote to impeach this dangerous and unfit president!! And, I urge other District 14 constituents to join me and vote Weber OUT!!!!!

Carlos Ponce

Diane, feel free to vote for whomever you want. The majority in Congressional District 14 will still vote for him because of his loyalty to Conservative values, supporting policies that improve the economy, supporting an effective president who doesn't mind rocking the status quo.

Bailey Jones

Why Texans continue to support this liar is beyond me.

"There was nary a peep from them when President Barack Obama refused lethal aid to Ukraine — a key adversary to Russia — instead limiting our assistance to blankets."

Defense dept news release - https://www.dsca.mil/news-media/news-archive/first-us-armored-hmmwvs-arrive-ukraine-greeted-president-poroshenko :

"Embassy of the United States Kyiv, Ukraine, March 25, 2015

Today the first 10 armored Humvees for Ukraine arrived from the United States! In a ceremony at Boryspil Airport with U.S. Chargé d'Affaires Bruce Donahue, President Poroshenko thanked the United States for its ongoing assistance and promised that Ukrainian soldiers would make good use of the vehicles. In the next week, two more shipments of armored Humvees from the United States, for a total of 30, will arrive in Ukraine. The United States has committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine to date, and has additionally promised 230 Humvees in total, as well as $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices, and medical supplies."

From the Congressiona Research Service -

https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20170103_RL33460_a05fced6b9314f66defe2982aa4fe73c02e88636.pdf#page=42

"In 2015, the United States announced a comprehensive $335 million bilateral security assistance package for Ukraine for FY2016, bringing total committed U.S. security assistance to more than $600 million since 2014. The FY2016 package includes bilateral support in three main areas:

Training: 350 U.S. personnel training up to five battalions of Ukrainian conventional forces and one battalion of special operations forces, while developing a long-term institutional training capacity.

Equipment: including counter-artillery and counter-mortar radars, secure communications, training aids, logistics infrastructure and IT systems, tactical UAVs, and medical equipment.

Advisers: advancing implementation of key defense reforms, such as promoting civilian oversight, greater efficiency and transparency, and combatting corruption.

In February 2015, Lieutenant General Ben Hodges announced that a U.S. Army battalion had been training Ukrainian forces in Poland, including on how to operate against Russian electronic warfare and how to protect themselves from Russian and rebel artillery. On July 28, 2016, 24 RQ-11B Raven Unmanned Aircraft Systems (comprised of 72 aircraft and associated equipment) arrived in Ukraine. The Raven UAV System is a hand-launched reconnaissance and surveillance tool. The system transmits live airborne video images and location information to a ground control station. This capability can provide day or night aerial intelligence and enables operators to navigate, recognize terrain, and record information for analysis. "

Obama also signed into law the establishment of the Defense-managed Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative - in fact, the money that Trump blocked was allocated by this law back in 2016.

It's true that Obama held up the aid - and with good reason. From the same congressional report,

In October 2015, according to Assistant Secretary of State Secretary Nuland, “much difficult work [remained] to clean up endemic corruption throughout government and society, at every level; to stabilize the economy; break the hold of corrupt state enterprises and oligarchs; and reform the justice system.... Nuland’s comments were given renewed importance when, on February 14, 2016, the reform-minded deputy prosecutor resigned, complaining that his efforts to address government corruption had been consistently stymied by his own prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, as well as other government officials. After President Poroshenko complained that Shokin was taking too long to clean up corruption even within the PGO itself, he asked for Shokin’s resignation."

Viktor Shokin - from wikipedia - "In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors". Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering. Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office. Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings. However, Vitaly Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant. Also, the investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before Hunter Biden joined the company."

Viktor Shokin is the prosecutor that Trump, in his extremely world's most perfect ever phone call was referring to when he said - "I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved." - https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

How stupid do Weber and Trump think we are? As stupid as many of us are, apparently.

Carlos Ponce

Not to worry, Bailey and Emile. Donald Trump will win Galveston County and Texas in November 2020. And he will also be re-elected President of the United States. Is he without any faults? Of course not. All have fallen short of the Kingdom of God. Christians are not perfect but forgiven by the Grace of God.[beam]

Bailey Jones

Oh, please.

Carlos Ponce

You're welcome, Bailey![beam]

Gary Scoggin

This is about re-election, not salvation. I get it that many Trumpists don't know the difference.

Carlos Ponce

Gary, you apparently don't understand the impact of the religious vote. It will be stronger in 2020 than in 2016. There is no religious test to being elected but people will vote their religious convictions.

Gary Scoggin

So since salvation is open to all, all who commit crimes should be forgiven. Is that your position?

Carlos Ponce

Everyone can be forgiven. But they still have to atone for their misdeeds.

Charles Douglas

""So since salvation is open to all, all who commit crimes should be forgiven. Is that your position?" Gary> You used the words " ALL SHOULD BE SAVED...No sir! You should've asked with these instead, "..ALL COULD BE SAVED!" ( but that depends on the man ). We accept the atonement that God gave us by making Jesus Christ NOT only our savior, BUT our LORD! No man can save himself, and no man is able to bogger-jive GOD, or deceive him into saving them outside of them accepting his path to salvation through Jesus Christ. Some individuals might sincerely believe otherwise but I assure you they are sincerely WRONG. JOHN 14:6 States, " I am the way, the truth, and the life, NO MAN cometh unto the Father but ...by ME." ROMANS 10:9-10 States...." If thou shalt confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt BE SALVED; v10) For with the heart man believed unto righteousness ;and with the mouth CONFESSION is made unto SALVATION."

Please note that I think you know this, but in my opinion you are trying to score points by crossing Mr. PONCE up! If you are who I think you are, you know Mr. PONCE from years back, when people on this forum were using screen names and he was not. So you should recognize that he is not a man who can easily be crossed up! Lolo. Anyway as Mr. Cronkite use to say on CBS NEWS years ago, "THATS THE WAY IS IS!"

Charles Douglas

Somebody say AMEN! I will take up an offering from myself. This was that good! Lolo.

Carlos Ponce

I say AMEN! and AMEN!

Gary Miller

Bailey> We call them"Humvees", Russia calls them "TARGETS'.

Emile Pope

Stupid is as stupid writes...

Carlos Ponce

"Stupid is as stupid writes..." Emile posts.

Looks like self fulfilling prophecy.

Ray Taft

Immediately after President Trump won election, Democrats inaugurated what they call 'The Resistance’, and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every trick, lie, deception, tool and maneuver to sabotage President Trump and to bring him down. Democrats have willing accomplices in the fake news media, RINO neverTrumps, the deep state and the establishment. It truly is a swamp that needs to be drained.

America knows that it’s a coup. Shifty Schiff is running a coup in the House and not a hearing. The Democrats’ impeachment hoax was set up in secret and after every witness and every bit of evidence favorable to Trump was thrown out, Shifty Schiff brought his coup out into view on tv.

All the fake evidence, all the hearsay witness, all the unAmerican proceedings are rigged by Schiff and the Democrats against President Trump. Every one of the Schiff witnesses’ testimony is rehearsed, Schiff reads false statements into the record, Republicans are repeatedly denied the right to question Schiff’s false witnesses, Republicans are denied the right to call real eyewitnesses, Trump is denied the right to have his own legal representation there. Schiff’s outside lawyer in the hearing asking questions worked for MSNBC. Democrats are a despicable lot.

Every American should be outraged at the Democrats’ despicable behavior. Democrats are violating sacred rights found in our constitution and well-founded legal proceedings. Democrats are persecuting Trump. If Democrats can do this to our president, they can do it to any American. Democrats will not hesitate to take away your rights and persecute you if it suits them.

One way to end this is to re-elect Trump in a landslide victory and to vote out every Democrat everywhere.

Emile Pope

Actually on inauguration night the Republicans had a meeting where they agreed to oppose everything President Obama proposed and oppose him at every turn.

Charles Douglas

One thing I can say about Mr. Carlos Ponce is that he is going to have not only the facts ....but he also deals in the TRUTH, when they are available! He's been consistently doing it like that for many years, even back when different names were representing those who posted on this forum! I find many times the facts are distorted sometimes but the TRUTH is straight-up, ...that is Ghetto for accurate. What is the TRUTH? The truth is Obama set back and did not help the Ukraine defend themselves and Russia, like a shark can smells blood in the water, smelled fear all over Obama, and Crooked Hillary! Putin did not honor that red reset button, which was supposed to reset and stabilize relationships between America and Russia! A prop button with misspelled words written on It! So then, Mr. Putin promptly invaded the Ukraine taking over the southern part of that country with the warm water port. I can see why too. NATO WAS making overtures toward allowing the Ukraine entrance as a member of their little fraternity, which American taxpayers have been paying for.. the last 50-60 years! Russia was having none of that! So all the Ukraine got was blankets, and K or C rations from Obama while that Baaaddddd Mannnn.. sent military aid including defensive weapons & anti-tank missiles, designed to stop a Russian tank in it's tracks. Craig said History is repeating itself, fine with me, that means, Trump like Clinton will be acquitted in the Senate, and The House will go Republican in 2020, with the Senate and the White House! That is exactly how I see it too! So, no sir, ...It looks like we never learn! In the HILLS of East Texas, the old folks use to say, "I be glad" ...me too when this LYING MONKEY SHOW is over, then maybe we can pass that trade bill with Mexico and Canada. Then Maybe .. China will quit stalling while hoping a Democrat will win and restore the American exodus of jobs, factories, money.... from here to there! So the quicker this atrocious, irresponsible, corrupt behavior of the Left is eradicated, the better! So I also must say, " I BE GLAD!!"

Gary Miller

Charles> I too be glad.

Patricia C Newsom

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