Over the last three years or so, The Daily News has published several commentaries of mine, which are super critical of President Trump. Here’s another.

Put simply, the man is the biggest liar ever to occupy the Oval Office. And that’s no minor thing.

In fact, it’s a staggering flaw with worldwide implications, since he has the position that makes him the most powerful man on Earth.

Well, you say, so what? Don’t all politicians lie? Probably most of them bend the truth from time to time, in political speeches. But they aren’t in the Oval Office, where the entire world listens, analogizes, and dissects every phrase he utters and agonizes over just how it affects their nation.

The bizarre thing about Trump’s lies are the sheer number of them. Some fact checkers attribute him with some 12,000 since he was elected. That averages out to over nine a day.

The implications of that are that he probably lies in every Twitter tweet and every time he opens his mouth in TV interviews. Think about that. What kind of leader is that? The phrase “Tin Pot Dictator” comes to mind though, thank heavens, he hasn’t reached that perch yet.

Most of his lies, if not all, are simply his way of “protecting” his image as Trump the Greatest. But that very posture likely distorts every decision he makes as president. Gen. Colin Powell once succinctly described the essence of Trump in two short sentences: “Our constitution begins with three words, We The People. Trump thinks it’s all about Me The President.”

So, if he lies all the time just to make “Me The President” look good, then how often does that overlap into world events? For instance, a couple of weeks ago he publicly stated that the Chinese were eager to get back into talks with him about the tariff war conflict and had sent him a letter saying just that. The top Chinese economic negotiator denied any such letter was sent.

Did Trump lie to boost the stock market (and the image of Me The President)? The Dow did jump several hundred points on that day.

Regardless, the continuing shocking volatility of the stock market coincides with his initiation of the escalating tariff war with China. Which coincides with concerns, both here and abroad, about global economic slowdown if this issue isn’t solved.

All of which rest on the reliability of a lying president that most of our allies don’t trust, and all of our enemies don’t know which way he’s going to jump on any issue.

Whew.

Bob Fields lives in Santa Fe.

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(174) comments

Don Schlessinger

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." BHO---That lie can't be topped.

Mike Zeller

Is that the best you got? I can Trump that with "Mexico will pay for the Wall". [beam]

Charles Douglas

Mr. Zeller, I'll see that Trump and raise you this Barry-O, "If Bashar al-Assad use chemical weapons on his people there will be serious consequences!" "That would be my RED LINE IN THE sand!" "That would change MY CALCULUS!"

Emile Pope

11,998 to go. Take your time...

Carlos Ponce

How about Obama promising the ACA would reduce premiums by $2500 a year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so

Carlos Ponce

How about Obama promising to close Gitmo?

Carlos Ponce

Here's WAPO's list of lies Obama told:





(Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP)

By Glenn Kessler

January 19, 2017



The Fact Checker started during the 2008 campaign and then went on hiatus for the first two years of President Obama’s presidency before becoming a permanent Washington Post feature in 2011. All told, we’ve fact-checked more than 250 statements by Obama.



“More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America” Fact check: There five times more Black men in college than prison.

“We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history” WAPO reports "the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts were more than twice as large as Obama’s tax cut..."

“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies” WAPO: "a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama’s actions".

"“If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it” WAPO gave it 4 Pinocchios.

“The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut” WAPO: But it turned out that he was completely wrong.

“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism” Not quite true according to WAPO.

"“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team” Yes, he did.

“Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation” Try 50, not 500. Hyperbole or a lie? WAPO calls it a lie.

“The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States” - The Keystone Pipeline would go to Texas. I guess he doesn't consider us part of the United States.

“We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities” - Only ONE person, Barack according to WAPO.

“If you actually took the number of Muslims [sic] Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” Politifactgave it a "pants on fire" rating.

“What I have done — and this is unprecedented … is I’ve said to each agency … ‘look at regulations that are already on the books and if they don’t make sense, let’s get rid of them.'” Another "Pants on Fire" rating from Politifact.

And the list of Obama lies goes on, and on, and on.

Emile Pope

250 over eight years as opposed to 12000 over 2 1/2??? False equivalency at its finest. At this rate trump will be at almost 20,000 by the term ends. Unless he's impeached...

Craig Mason

Hurricane Dorian is going to hit Alabama

Carlos Ponce

Craig Mason, look at the map dated August 29 from an Alabama website at:

https://www.al.com/hurricane/2019/08/could-hurricane-dorian-make-it-into-the-gulf.html

The cone covered Alabama according to this August 29,, 2019 NOAA map.

Carlos Ponce

Mike, be patient. Once Congress approves of USMCA Mexico will pay for the wall.

Carlos Ponce

"as opposed to 12000" And the nature of these alleged "lies" is that they are hyperbole, not falsehoods. I've named a few of Obama's lies and one of Bill Clinton's. Emile has not named any of what Leftist call "lies".[rolleyes]

Cary Semar

Why do you insist on insulting everyone's intelligence? It is obvious that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall.

Carlos Ponce

Just wait and see, Cary.

Carl Hungus

Without a doubt, Trump is the absolute worst president this country has or will ever know. The Trump humpers that answer this with Clinton or Obama comments are truly brainwashed and cannot delineate right or wrong for themselves. 12, 400 + lies to the American public in just over 2 years. Not a couple/few over 12k....let that sink in.

Dan Freeman

James Buchanan was worse

Carlos Ponce

Defining "Worse" presidents is a matter best left up to history. When you consider all Trump has accomplished, he probably will not be in that group.

Don Schlessinger

Maybe Carl is too young to know Jimmy Carter.

Carlos Ponce

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." BHO---That lie can't be topped.

How about, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."

Paula Flinn

That was a mistake that President Obama apologized for saying when he realized that many of our citizens had insurance plans that did not cover “pre-existing conditions.” The ACA covered pre-existing conditions, so those plans were flawed.

It wasn’t a lie for President Obama to draw a line in the sand with Iran. That he backed down means he didn’t want war with Iran. He put sanctions on them and Kerry, along with our allies, arranged for the deal with Iran. Trump withdrew the US from the plan. Our allies are still in the plan. Now we have NO deal and that’s not good, either.

Carlos Ponce

Paula says that Obama did not lie on these topics. Had Trump said them she'd be screaming "LIAR, LIAR, LIAR !". Double standard?

Gary Miller

Every time Trump disagrees with liberals they call it a lie. Usually it was solid truth but not by liberal interests. Sometimes just a disagreement on facts. Has he disagreed with liberals 12,000 times. I hope so and hope he keeps doing it.

Charles Douglas

I think I will raise you another Barry-O Mr. Zeller, if you dont mine. "Those manufacturing jobs will NEVER come back!" "How is Trump going to get them back, with a MAGIC WAND?"

Emile Pope

Keep going...give me a call when you get to 12,000...

Carlos Ponce

Trump engages in hyperbole which the Left construes as "lies". Obama engaged in hyperbole as well but the Left never considered it as "lies".

Carl Hungus

Conspiracy theory much Carlos Ponce? I thought so....

Carlos Ponce

Not really, Carl Hungus. I go with FACTS. I am a math teacher. We go by FACTS or provable theorems. Mathematics is an exact science.

Emile Pope

Was his denying sleeping with a pornstar hyperbole? His lying about showing his taxes? What about him saying that he wouldn't have time for golf? Interesting definition you have for hyperbole. Most people would call it lying...

Robert Braeking

Mr. Fields has sipped the Kool-Aide®. He actually believes the blatherskite of the lunatic left.

Bailey Jones

You can always tell when a Trumpster can't win on an issue, first they deflect with whataboutisms, then they try to discredit the individual. Since you can't object to WAPO's 12,000 lie number - in fact, Carlos thinks enough of the WAPO Fact Checker to quote it - you seek to dismiss the statement as a lunatic's raving - as though he was accusing Ted Cruz's father of being involved in the JFK assassination, or accusing Obama of being a secret Kenyan Muslim, or - in honor of the day - claiming to have seen thousands of Muslims cheering in New Jersey after 9/11. ....and you spelled Kool-Aid wrong.

Kenneth Diestler

Yup-Trump lies. Most of them are relatively benign and spontaneous. They aren't like the well thought out, planned, choreographed and paid for lies of the left--such as the attempted Kavanaugh character assassination and the Russian Collusion fabrication fabrication using numerous government resources to overthrow a properly elected President. Different kind of lies.

Jack Cross

Bob, I appreciate your concern for the nation, as you know the 2020 presidential race has started and I like you want candidates to tell the truth. I am pleased that the democrats running for the office are being honest when they tell us their opinion on how rotten the nations is. It’s good for voters to know their position about all the free stuff they are going to give us. America has always been a country that welcomed immigrants, with democrats in control and their position about the borders and free health care for illegals, America can be a shining benevolent example to the world. Bernie tells us we have plenty money, it’s just in the wrong hands. You know Bob, the economy is doing pretty good and you can’t deny that Trump has actually kept his promises which leads me to think that the Trump lies that you are so concerned about is not that big when you look at the big picture.

Emile Pope

Donald was elected by saying how rotten the nation is. Really, what about his healthcare plan?

Jack Cross

Emile you need to reread my post. I applauded the democrats for telling the truth about their opinion and positions. They ARE running on a position of how rotten America is and always has been, they ARE for open borders, They ARE for free every thing including health care for illegals.That is their words, Trump takes an opposite opinion. Bob Fields says he is a strong conservative, so he must agree with Trump in the issue, he just don't like t he way Trump talks.

Emile Pope

Actually what you've written is false. And those are not their words.

Paula Flinn

The lady who accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault was not lying. Kavanaugh’s “friend” refused to testify because he was an accomplice. Both are cowardly liars. I’m sure she didn’t testify because she liked getting death threats. She had more courage than any of them. So did Anita Hill. These ladies were not lying. They just couldn’t prove their truths.

Russian collusion has not been proven yet, but it will all come out. There are reasons Trump chooses to believe Putin over the CIA. I think he is in debt to Russia.

Carlos Ponce

"Russian collusion has not been proven yet, but it will all come out." The Mueller report's conclusion was there was NO collusion.

"There are reasons Trump chooses to believe Putin over the CIA. I think he is in debt to Russia."

Does Trump believe Putin over the CIA? This is what said: "I just asked him again. He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election, he did not do what they are saying he did. I can’t stand there and argue with him, I would rather have him get out of Syria. You have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he has nothing to do with that. Now, you are not going to get into an argument, you are going to start talking about Syria and the Ukraine."

Putin continues his denials. Arguing the point with him goes nowhere.

" I think he is in debt to Russia." - Nothing to substantiate that claim, mere baseless conjecture.

About Kavanaugh - Christine Blasey Ford's friends did not collaborate her story. And her attorney Debra Katz stated, “He will always have an asterisk next to his name. When he takes a scalpel to Roe v. Wade we will know who he is, we know his character and we know what motivates him. It’s important that we know and that’s part of what motivated Christine.”

Paula Flinn

Mueller said he didn’t deal with collusion. He never mentioned the word in his report. So why repeat the lie?

They now know for sure that Russia hacked into all 50 states election results. Trump publicly asked Russia to find Hillary’s emails. Bloomberg said he suspected Trump turned to Russia for loans when no bank in the U S would loan him money, since his many bankruptcies. Of course we don’t know for sure, because Trump won’t release his tax returns or any tax information. Hmmmm! Not completely baseless conjecture when you put all the facts together. Just think, our own President rejects US Intelligence Agencies in favor of a vicious despotic tyrant like Vladimir Putin, who has nothing to lose by lying.

Everyone I know believed Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s explanation of what happened so long ago. Kavanaugh was so upset that evening because he knew it was true. He did everything he could to discredit her, but his semi-incoherent rantings were revealing. They revealed a man that was exceedingly afraid, because he knew her story was true. So now we have another predator on the Supreme Court. It’s a shame no one came forward to back up her story, but no one likes to put their family or themselves in jeopardy, receiving death threats, etc.

Carlos Ponce

Paula post: "Mueller said he didn’t deal with collusion. He never mentioned the word in his report. So why repeat the lie?" Why do you LIE, Paula?

The word "collusion" is mentioned 23 times in the Mueller Report. In addition, it states on page 1 and 2: "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html




Carlos Ponce

Paula posts, "They now know for sure that Russia hacked into all 50 states election results."

From the New York Times: "It concluded that while there was no evidence that any votes were changed in actual voting machines, 'Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data' in the Illinois voter database. The committee found no evidence that they did so."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us/politics/russian-hacking-elections.html

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts:"Everyone I know believed Dr. Christine Blasey Ford". Her father Ralph Blasey was glad to see Brett Kavanaugh confirmed:

"Ralph Blasey, Ford’s father, went out of his way to offer to Ed Kavanaugh his support of Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court, according to multiple people familiar with the conversation that took place at Burning Tree Club in Bethesda, Maryland. 'I’m glad Brett was confirmed,' Ralph Blasey told Ed Kavanaugh, shaking his hand. Blasey added that the ordeal had been tough for both families."

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/12/christine-blasey-fords-father-supported-brett-kavanaughs-confirmation/

"Blasey never explicitly addressed the credibility of his daughter’s allegations, but he presumably wouldn’t have supported the nomination of a man he believed tried to rape his daughter."

Also at:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/im-glad-brett-was-confirmed-blasey-fords-father-supported-kavanaugh-confirmation

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/12/christine-blasey-fords-father-supported-brett-kava/

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/12/christine-blasey-fords-father-supported-brett-kava/

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts, "Trump publicly asked Russia to find Hillary’s emails." It was a JOKE, Paula. Even Hillary realized this when she said, "I also really need the help of the Russian government to stop looking for my damn emails, which really wouldn’t say anything interesting if they existed, which they don’t, or they found them, which they won’t, and start looking for Donald Trump’s damn tax returns!” in July 2016 at DNC Convention.

And in 2019 Hillary said, "“And not only that, China, if you’re listening, why don’t you get Trump’s tax returns?” I’m sure our media would richly reward you,” on MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Show.

IT'S A JOKE, PAULA! Everyone gets it - except Paula.

Paula Flinn

Mueller said they were not looking for “collusion.” Why did you say I lied when he actually said that in his television report? Mueller wasn’t looking for collusion. He couldn’t prove conspiracy. Mueller missed the boat by not interviewing Don, Jr. and Trump himself in person. We all thought they both would lie.

Carlos Ponce

Paula posted "He never mentioned the word in his report." Check it out, Paula! Just read the report. The word "collusion" is in the Mueller report over twenty times. So EASY to check out! You don't have to read the whole report, just do an on-line word search from the text of a PDF. Check it out. The notion that "collusion" does not appear in the report is a lie.

Paula Flinn

Mueller was not looking for collusion. He was looking for conspiracy. He said that in his TV interview after Mr. Barr gave his misrepresentation of Mueller’s written report. I am not sure why Don, Jr. and Jared Kushner were not interviewed. To me, these crimes were as bad as Watergate. There was no smoking gun, though. Trump’s tax returns might have revealed how deeply he has conspired with Russia. Mueller’s Report did reveal several instances of Obstruction of Justice. Believing that you cannot indict a sitting President, Mueller left it there. Meanwhile, Pres. Trump has been charged with other crimes to be dealt with after his presidency.

It was no joke that Trump called on Russia to find Hillary’s emails. They have evidence that Russia began searching immediately. Trump later said it was a joke, but it was not at the time. Russia took it seriously and so did the Dems who saw it and noticed that he felt very comfortable asking Russia to do that. It was not a laughing matter.

Carlos Ponce

Paula originally posted, "He never mentioned the word in his report." Now it's "Mueller was not looking for collusion". But the word was in there.

Bailey Jones

As the comments show, Trumpsters don't care if they're lied to daily. In fact, they embrace the lies if the lies make them feel better about themselves or their president. All politicians lie to some extent, as do we all, and all politicians certainly make promises they can't keep. But most politicians have enough respect for the intelligence of their constituents that, once the press has called them on their BS, they stop repeating it. This one doesn't.

Carlos Ponce

Trump haters are lied to daily by Leftist media: Russia, Russia Russia, Collusion, Collusion, Collusion, etc. etc. etc. Looking at the list of alleged "lies" by Trump we see hyperbole and rounding. Look at a recent "lie" exposed by the Left. Trump said that Alabama was possibly in danger by a Dorian. [scared] A lie? Even I remember a projected computer path by computer models showing Dorian crossing Florida into the Gulf and possibly affecting Alabama.

NOAA: "From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama."

https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

Gary Scoggin

He lies when telling the truth is easier. Witness the Dorian-Alabama thing. The President could have easily admitted a small error and gone on. Instead he lied by doctoring the map with a Sharpie and forced someone at NOAA to cover for him. (But I’m sure one of his worshippers here will step up to defend him here.)

Carlos Ponce

"Instead he lied by doctoring the map with a Sharpie and forced someone at NOAA to cover for him." Aha !... a CONSPIRACY theory! I give that conspiracy theory FIVE piles of Bullstuff.

Gary Scoggin

The acolytes show up, right on cue!

Jim Forsythe

On Thursday, U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral Peter Brown issued a statement taking responsibility for the president’s out-of-date information. On Thursday, a source from the White House informed CNN that Trump had personally directed Brown to make this statement. The president was forcing a high-ranking military official to cover for him. On Friday evening, the NOAA released a peculiar, unsigned statement throwing the Alabama NWS under the bus for contradicting the president-who-shall-not-be-contradicted. (The NWS Employees Organization wasn’t having it, and neither were many former NOAA officials, who professed themselves stunned.)

Carl Hungus

It’s hilarious to hear you say that you only deal in facts yet your commentary is just Fox News spin regurgitated here, to the Nth degree. Please tell me what school you teach at, the students there must be suffering from a teacher who is not in touch with reality.

These are not hyperbole, they are lies, buy a dictionary:

-Mexico will pay for it

-Banged playboy bunny and open star while married and paid them both off, but lies about it to a camera multiple times. Then admitted to it.

-I know more than the generals

-I have a better healthcare plan, and Obamacare is dead.

-Dorian fake map with a sharpie

-biggest inauguration crowd

-I saved $725M on F35s, Pentagon did this before and without him.

-I have 12,395 more lies go....



Do us all a favor Carlos and take your $48k/yr self to another state. Alabama sounds like a good place for you. Can you try to elect Roy Moore again!

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, look at the map dated August 29 from an Alabama website at:

https://www.al.com/hurricane/2019/08/could-hurricane-dorian-make-it-into-the-gulf.html

Sure looks like Alabama was in the cone.

Gary Scoggin

But it was well out of the cone when the President mentioned it. It was an honest mistake which he and you are incapable of admitting. Admitting a mistake is a sign of strength.

Carlos Ponce

Does conspiracy theorist Gary Scoggin think someone went back in time to alter this August 29, 2019 5 pm AST NOAA map showing Alabama in Dorian's path?????

https://www.al.com/hurricane/2019/08/could-hurricane-dorian-make-it-into-the-gulf.html

Carl Hungus

If this were the case then why did he show a fake/altered map to the entire world? You would think the potus had access to this “real map”. Embarrassing for America, he focused on protecting his sharpie lie while Bahamas and 5 other US states were being hit by a hurricane.

Bailey Jones

Trump is incapable of admitting an error - as are many of his supporters, as we see here every day. The statement "Trump tells more lies than any other president in history" is just a simple fact. No one has said that he's the only liar - only that he's the worst, by at least 100X, based on what's been presented here today. The notion that he "just exaggerates" is itself a lie, although he does exaggerate constantly.



I have no problem claiming the lies and broken promises of my favorite president, Obama. His failure to close GITMO was, to me personally, a huge disappointment. There were many disappointments in the ACA. Obama's Syria policy was an utter failure. I could go on. But, to me, his positives far outweigh his negatives. I can support someone without having to debase myself by trying to maintain a farcical veneer of infallibility. That so many of his supporters can't do that just shows how fragile this Grand Trump Hotel of Cards really is. There's a reason that he's the least popular president in modern times. And the reason is him.

Carlos Ponce

" His failure to close GITMO was, to me personally, a huge disappointment." Too bad, so sad. Good thing the military in charge chose to keep Gitmo open. Those Obama released from Gitmo are leading exemplary lives free of terrorism - NOT!

Jim Forsythe

President Barack Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum dated December 15, 2009, formally closing the detention center and ordering the transfer of prisoners to the Thomson Correctional Center, Thomson, Illinois .



data from 2002, when the prison opened, through July 2016. Here are the key figures: 693 detainees released from Guantanamo (532 while Bush was president, 161 during Obama’s two terms); of those:122 confirmed of re-engaging in terrorist activity (113 Bush, 9 Obama); 86 suspected of re-engaging in terrorist activity, of those (75 Bush, 11 Obama);

Carlos Ponce

Gitmo is still open, Jim.

Jim Forsythe

Why did Obama not close Guantanamo? The Congress was the main reason that it did not happen. It was intentionally established on a US naval base on the tip of Cuba that Mr Bush’s lawyers argued was beyond the reach of usual US law. If it had been placed on USA soil , we would have had to go by a different set of rules.

Why did Obama not close Guantanamo?

Closing Guantanamo would require the President to find a home for the approximately 100 detainees still there. Even if the President can transfer the less dangerous detainees to other countries under somewhat lenient congressional rules, he faces an absolute ban on bringing the other fifty or so more dangerous ones to the United States. Congress could in theory lift the ban and appropriate the money needed to retrofit a high-security prison in the United States. The chances of this happening before the President leaves office are zero, no matter what the President proposes.

Casey Alan

Trump is a big liar. Nearly every word out of his mouth is a lie. Some other politicians may have said things that did not come true but no out and out direct lie. Trump will lie about anything. The easiest way to know he’s lying is his lips are moving. The saddest part of all this is that there are people who believe everything. And if they do have a hint of doubt about what is being said they never will admit it because they’re ashamed of being wrong. That’s the saddest part about all this people would rather believe his lies then live the truth.

Jack Cross

Bob Fields 6/11/2016. “The irony is that a significant portion of Republicans are genuinely puzzled as to how in the world Trump has gotten the Republican nomination given all the outrageous things he has said over the past year. The quick answer is that somehow Trump’s simplistic, bumper-sticker slogans on all the major issues convinced a lot of people that he can march into Washington and actually change everything”. Bob, those simplistic bumper-stickers are working and you can't deny he is indeed changing things, in spite of the State Dept, the Justice Dept, the FBI, the CIA all conspiring and trying to overthrow a sitting president. who is concerned about that.

Gary Scoggin

Jack are you saying unequivocally that there was no Russian interference in favor of Donald Trump in 2016?

Gary Miller

Scoggin> With no evidence there was any Russian influence I would conclude HRC and the RNC tried to create it. Only evidence I've seen of Russian influence is the Steel dosier HRC bought. That was prepared, bought and used to hurt Trump by people who opposed Trump.

Jack Cross

Oh come on Gary, Russia, Russia, Russia, sure they do that, so does the US and China, CNN just this week outed a Russian in the kremlin who was spying for us.

$40 million spent with the Mueller investigation and nothing. Yet the democrats won't give up and move on. When the DNC refused to release Hillary's server the FBI said OK. When the Obama Justice Dept, FBI and CIA set a trap for Trump and spied on the Trump administration and hundreds of Americans, that cuts right to the heart of our justice system. How would you like to know you have not committed the crimes you were investigates for, have the FBI leaked false information about you that the press ran with for 3 years and you knew it was not true. Don't tell me you would sit quiet.

The culture and the future of the nation is at stake, we all have a choice. Put on a Trump hat, put a Trump sticker on your car or a sign in your yard, good luck and see how free speech is today. That cuts to the heart of what America stands for. political correctness has replaced free speech and it is destroying the country.


Gary Scoggin

I remain stunned that otherwise intelligent people refuse to accept the fact that the Russians were trying to influence our election. Read the Mueller report. Even if only 10% of it was true, it should be cause for concern. I worry for our country.



(You may now take your cue to attack a highly decorated Republican war hero that has served his country most of his life. Because Sean Hannity says it’s okay.)

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin posts, "I remain stunned that otherwise intelligent people refuse to accept the fact that the Russians were trying to influence our election." It's been going on since there was a Russia and the Soviet Union existed. But did their attempts to influence pan out? No. Not one vote was changed according to the House and Senate Intelligence committees.

Gary Scoggin

So, since it didn’t work (according to partisan committees), it’s okay to let them keep trying. Presumably until it does work.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, in 1960 the Soviets influenced the 1960 Presidential elections. Their candidate of choice, John F. Kennedy, won.

Gary Scoggin

So I guess that makes it okay, then. Thanks for clearing that up. 🙄

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, if you haven't figured it out, it's been going on for DECADES. And not just the Russians.

Gary Scoggin

So that makes it okay, even though these attempts are getting much more sophisticated? Thanks for clearing that up.

Alan Waters

Let's be honest. Present day political positions are filled with emotion, rather than rational thinking. I can guarantee you that the vast majority of conservatives wish that the president would loose his telephone, but that isn't going to happen. But you have to take yourself outside the box and look in. Look at your choices rationally, not just because you hate Trump. There is no one in the middle. Do you want a socialist structure or capitalism? Obama is now being called conservative by the left. I just got back from the Baltic. Most countries over there have a socialist based governmental structure; Socialized medicine, government subsidized housing, free college tuition, etc. Where the issue comes in is that the lowest tax rate was 45% and the highest was 70% with no deductions and all levels of income taxed. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it. I am on Medicare and love it. Some call it socialized medicine, but it really isn't as you started paying for it with your first pay check and still pay for it every month you are on it. With my strong ties too higher education, I would really like to see a way that all qualified students wishing to attend college can do it without being overwhelmed with student loan debt. Prescription drug cost needs to be addressed and made affordable like it is on most other countries. I do not care if you are Democrat or Republican, if our country is going to remain as a world leader, we need to start addressing the issues and move away from childish finger pointing and name calling on both sides. How do we move to the next level of government without destroying our way of life? This is really important and if we do not get the majority, democrats and republicans, of this country wanting to work for a common good, we are doomed.

Jim Forsythe

Graydon Carter, the editor of Vanity Fair magazine , about hand size and SHARPIES.

"Like so many bullies, Trump has skin of gossamer," Carter wrote in November.

"To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump. There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers," Carter wrote. "I almost feel sorry for the poor fellow because, to me, the fingers still look abnormally stubby." "The most recent offering arrived earlier this year, before his decision to go after the Republican presidential nomination," Carter continued. "Like the other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also written in gold Sharpie: 'See, not so short!' I sent the picture back by return mail with a note attached, saying, 'Actually, quite short.'"

Trump claims the wives of the 9/11 hijackers "knew exactly what was happening" and returned to Saudi Arabia two days before the attacks to watch their husbands on television flying the planes. The 9/11 Commission report stated that none of the hijackers had a wife, girlfriend or family member in the United States during the days or months leading up to the hijackings.

Trump lied about how he avoided the draft for Vietnam, claiming he got a high draft number. Not only did he get four deferments in college, but draft numbers were not even used until December, 1969, a full year after he received his final deferment, a medical one in September 1968. Trump’s campaign later claimed he couldn’t go because of bone spurs.

Charles Douglas

Hey! Hello there!! Have yall seen Mr. ZELLER and Ms FLINN? I want to inform both of them that I am about to see all these little discrepancies against Trump and RAISE THIS WHOLE NEWS PAPER, the biggest most OUTRAGEOUS BARRY-O lie ever: President Obama said he first learned “through news reports” that Hillary Clinton used a private email system when she was his secretary of state. But it turns out he did know she used a private email address, at least for some official business. The White House now says the two leaders traded emails and “the president was aware of her email address.”

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts:“ 'Nobody respects women more than I do.' Tell that to all the women he has insulted." How about the many more he has respected? Trump is a counter-puncher without regards to gender to whom he counter-punches. To consider one's sex would be construed as "sexist" by many.

Jim Forsythe

"How about the many more he has respected?" and these women would be? These, and other quotes are not about Trump respecting women! Is this what you expect from your President, and if so, what does it say about the ones that think this is the way a President should act, when he is representing the USA. These are older insults, but he has many new one's.

He insulted a breastfeeding mother. "You’re disgusting." Trump hurled this barb at a female lawyer, who, during a deposition involving Trump, asked for a medical break to pump breast milk for her 3-month-old daughter.

He insulted Megyn Kelly — and pretty much all women. When talking to CNN’s Don Lemon on Friday, he said this about Kelly: "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever."

He insulted Brande Roderick, a contestant on The Apprentice. "It must be a pretty picture," he said to her. "You dropping to your knees."

Trump opined on what his daughter Ivanka should do if sexually harassed. "I would like to think she would find another career or find another company if that was the case,"

In an Entertainment Tonight video from 1992, Trump is heard objectifying a 10-year-old girl. After talking to a girl who is going up an escalator, Trump says,"I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?"



Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump 26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?

Carlos Ponce

"How about the many more he has respected?" Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many more. That includes female Congresswomen, members of his cabinet, businesswomen, staff women, etc.

So Jim Forsythe reads Cosmopolitan. And their interpretation of trump quotes are questionable.

Jim Forsythe

Just a few of the women he has decided not to address with official titles when they are working in official capacity for the Congress . Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Elizabeth Warren, Frederica Wilson, Maxine Waters, all are female Congresswomen. Would it be OK for them to address the President as Goofy Trump, or some other off the wall name. Of course not , and the same extends to his calling them names. If you are OK with his way, good for you and it says a lot about what is acceptable to you.

"interpretation of trump quotes are questionable" all are quotes from Trump, and what did he not say? This is the type of things he says that most do not try and defend, You must agree with what he said.

Gary Scoggin

Too bad he has never respected the women he was married to, including Melania, who was home pregnant while her husband was sc***ing a porn actress.

Carlos Ponce

"Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Elizabeth Warren, Frederica Wilson, Maxine Waters" etc. A who's who of what's wrong with Congress.

Carlos Ponce

" 'interpretation of trump quotes are questionable' all are quotes from Trump, and what did he not say?" They're taken OUT OF CONTEXT, Jim.

Carlos Ponce

Melania disagrees with Gary Scoggin

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, are you saying Melania was okay with him sc***ing a porn star and paying her off. I hope not; I have too much respect for her to believe that.

Jim Forsythe

""Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Elizabeth Warren, Frederica Wilson, Maxine Waters" etc. A who's who of what's wrong with Congress" By saying he respects women, you mean only the ones that agree with him and you.

These ladies' are part of congress and as such deserve respect. Carlos, would it be OK for these ladies' to call the president a name that disrespects him and his office? Of course not, and if you think it is OK, it lowers you to a lower position.

Carlos is it OK to call these ladies', names???



"interpretation of trump quotes are questionable" all are quotes from Trump, and what did he not say??? This is the type of things he says that most do not try and defend. You must agree with what he said.

Carlos Ponce

"sc***ing a porn star and paying her off." Were you there to witness? Look up the history of Stephanie Clifford aka Stormy Daniels. Not very reputable person. Let's say you are running for office. A lady shows up days before the election (October 27, 2016) threatening to tell a tale of sex OR she'll take $130,0000to keep quiet. This close to an election you want it taken care of and quickly. You can claim your innocence but many will dismiss your claim. Advisors tell you to pay her off and she'll go away. Think about it. In court, Stephanie Clifford is ordered to pay Donald Trump $293,000 by a Federal judge. Everybody has forgotten it by now ...... except YOU!

Jim Forsythe

Even Trumps ex-wife accused him of rape. Also sexual misconduct allegations that at least 23 women have made against Trump since the 1970s have been made. When Trump paid off Daniels and McDougal, it made it look like it was hush money to cover up what he did.

Cohen pleaded guilty in August to campaign finance violations, and admitted that he made payments to two women at the direction of a candidate for political office.

Pecker’s company later paid a Playboy model, Karen McDougal, $150,000 in return for her story. The payment was made after “Mr. Trump asked Mr. Pecker to quash” McDougal’s story.

Trump’s role in arranging the payoffs to Daniels and McDougal were detailed in an indictment that federal prosecutors in Manhattan were preparing to file against Cohen at the time he pleaded guilty.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts "Trumps ex-wife accused him of rape." This was during their divorce case deposition. What does ex-wife Ivana say ? '"During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me. I wish to say that on one occasion during 1989, Mr Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness which he normally exhibited toward me, was absent. I referred to this as a 'rape,' but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense. Any contrary conclusion would be an incorrect and most unfortunate interpretation of my statement which I do not want to be interpreted in a speculative fashion and I do not want the press or media to misconstrue any of the facts set forth above. All I wish is for this matter to be put to rest."

Gary Scoggin

He was such a gentleman towards her. As he was with all three wives he’s cheated on.

Carlos Ponce

I see Gary Scoggin is casting stones. I hope your halo is not fake.

Jim Forsythe

Trump: “Nobody respects women more than I do.” Tell that to all the women he has insulted.

"We (Trump University) have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau." In reality, BBB received multiple consumer complaints about Trump university, which sank to a D-minus in 2010. The reason Trump University rose to an A in July 2014 was that as the company looked to be closing after 2013, no new complaints were reported February 28, with Chris Wallace: Trump claimed that “many of” the university’s instructors were “handpicked” by him. That’s not true. In a 2012 deposition, a top executive for Trump University said that “none of our instructors” was picked by Trump himself.

Trump claimed 81 percent of murdered white people are killed by black people. The truth? 84 percent of murdered white people are murdered by other white people. Trump cited the “Crime Statistics Bureau—San Francisco,” which doesn’t exist

on Putin.. Trump: “I got to know him very well because we were both on 60 Minutes … We were stablemates, and we did very well that night.” The two men were interviewed separately in different countries thousands of miles apart.

Trump said Mexico doesn’t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.

Trump described an audience of 15,000 people in Phoenix; the city fire department said capacity for the North Ballroom was 4,200 people. The doors were closed at 4,169 attendees, said Phoenix Fire Department spokeswoman Shelly Jamison.

Trump states that the man who rushed the stage in Dayton, Ohio, "had chatter about ISIS, or with ISIS" in his social media posts. Trump was fooled by a hoax video;

Charles Douglas

Well now, I guess the CONSERVATIVES won this little "showdown." I can't wait until the next Op-ed comes up. I'm beginning to enjoy this.

Jack Cross



Charles, I don't think you are going to wait long, just hold your fire.

Miceal O'Laochdha

Just happened to watch the movie the other day that was made about the publishing of Dan Ellsberg's documents that came to known as the "Pentagon Papers". What caught my attention in the Trump era is how shocked and outraged everyone was to realize when reading the study that Presidents from Ike to Nixon (and their advisors) had been relentlessly lying to the American people on incredibly important matters for years. Who today is shocked and outraged by Presidential lying? The Donald has made it normal, trivial and insignificant. I was once told by one of the most successful con men I ever knew personally that a lie is just as good as the truth as long as you can get someone to believe it. That has become America's reality and the sooner we realize it the sooner we can be at peace with our slide into oblivion.

Charles Douglas

Let me see nowwww, who said, " If you built a successful business in this country, YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT BUSINESS!!!!!!!!"

1) Jimmy Carter 2) Henry Kissinger 3) El Fago Baca 4) BARRY-O.

Dan Freeman

What Obama actually said on July 13, 2012: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.

Gary Scoggin

Dan... don’t you realize that this is a fact free zone. Our President may be the first perfect man since Jesus. If his worshippers admit to even the slightest imperfection, their model of the ideal man comes crashing down. Anyone who dares to challenge his word is a socialist, or perhaps even worse, a liberal.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, no one not even Donald Trump, thinks he is without flaws. But he is now a Christian. Christians are not perfect, just forgiven.

Gary Scoggin

Clinton and Obama are both Christians. Are they forgiven too?

Carlos Ponce

Which Clinton?

Paula Flinn

Charles, all of your “What-About-Isms” are moot.

Sadly, Barack Obama is not still president. Trump is. Trump was not appointed by God to be our President, the Electoral College voted him in. It’s unfortunate that he is a pathological liar. His free will enables him to choose to lie to us frequently. It makes him a dangerous man and a threat to our security.

Recently, the CIA discovered that Russia hacked into all 50 states’ returns from the 2016 election.

Trump has chosen to believe Putin rather than his own CIA. Many bankers in NY State believe Trump has loans from foreign (Russian) banks. Without seeing his tax returns, we don’t know for sure. Former mayor of NYC, Michael Bloomberg suggested that after many bankruptcies and his reputation of not paying people back, that Trump had to look at foreign countries, like Russia, for loans.

Dan Freeman

Some of our favorite insights from Trump, not lies, but what Mr. Ponce calls hyperbole:

1. The brave Continental Army army suffered through the winter at Valley Forge to take over the airports.

2. When Nadia Murad, Noble Peace Prize winner told the President that ISIS had killed her mother and six brothers, Trump asked “Where are they now?”

3. Trump once said Jefferey Epstein was a terrific guy who likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them on the younger side.

4. Speaking to relatives of gravely ill 911 first responders, Trump said “I was down there also.”

5. In El Paso meeting with hospital staff after the mass shooting Trump bragged about the size of his crowd at an earlier rally.

He is really good at hyperbole which are exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.


Carlos Ponce

"The brave Continental Army army suffered through the winter at Valley Forge to take over the airports." Are you saying it wasn't true? [wink] Problem was his teleprompter went out, he had to ad lib for a few and it came back, mixing up the timeline of disparate items. Just hope it never happens to you. Everyone had a good laugh and it gave the Trump haters something else to talk about.

Jim Forsythe

Some more of Trumps interviews and speeches.

During an interview for SiriusXM’s P.O.T.U.S. channel, Trump discussed the Civil War. He said he thinks the war could have been avoided if former U.S. president Andrew Jackson was able to stop it. According to Trump, Jackson was angry about the Civil War. The only problem is, Jackson couldn’t have been angry about the war—he died in 1845. The Civil War was in 1861.

“Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice,” said Trump.

Trump asked Trudeau, “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” However, that couldn’t have happened because Canada didn’t exist as a country until 1867.

“Great president. Most people don’t even know he was a Republican. Does anyone know? Lot of people don’t know that,”.Trump then said Republicans should spread the word that Lincoln was a Republican.

Carlos Ponce

"The only problem is, Jackson couldn’t have been angry about the war—he died in 1845. The Civil War was in 1861"

Trump said in the interview "I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later you wouldn't have had the Civil War....he had a big heart. He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said 'There's no reason for this.' "

had Andrew Jackson been a little later

had Andrew Jackson been a little later

had Andrew Jackson been a little later

I guess in Jim's mind 16 years was "a little later" Andrew Jackson saw the seeds of Civil War planted in his lifetime and was not thrilled with what those seeds were beginning. Snopes writes "he is referring to Jackson’s stolid support of the Union during an earlier incident in which South Carolina threatened to secede over the imposition of federal tariffs in 1832, when Jackson was president." "It was a crisis that could have precipitated a civil war but did not, largely because in addition to threatening military action, Jackson orchestrated a compromise requiring Congress to lower the tariffs and South Carolina to drop its ordinance. Jackson can be credited, in other words, with averting civil war (if only temporarily) in 1832."

Bailey Jones

I had a very good laugh - because I remember all the times DJ Trump ridiculed Obama and HRC for using a teleprompter. And because he did it, all his little apes did the same thing and all you heard from the Hannity's and Carlsons was how dull and stupid Obama and HRC were because they used a teleprompter. Now of course, all of that is forgotten and teleprompters are perfectly OK and normal (as they always were - since Eisenhower's day). It just goes to show how shallow runs the conservative intellect, and how toothless their observations have become - just follow The Donald. Dance little puppets, dance. And here you all are, incapable of an original thought, reduced to defending his every petty little lie. Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

Carlos Ponce

Trump's ad lib at his rallies and news conferences are terrific. He does use a teleprompter when giving a detailed speech but as you see, even relying on tech has its drawbacks.

Emile Pope

The teleprompter went out??? Did his brain go out? Wasn't he the one who criticized President Obama (The Great One) for using one?

Carlos Ponce

I think Emile pulled the plug on it.[wink]

Dan Freeman

Ok, I will grant you without a teleprompter our Commander in Chief has a loose grasp of history. I guess it made him Fort McHenry and “rockets’ red glare”––the Battle of Baltimore at which the words to the “Star-Spangled Banner” were written––took place during the War of 1812, not the Revolutionary War.



Without a teleprompter, in 2017, he argued that Andrew Jackson could have prevented the Civil War from happening, when Jackson actually died 16 years before the war started.



Referring to the War of 1812 during a tense 2018 phone call with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Trump reportedly said “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” However, it was British troops that burned down the White House during the War of 1812, not Canadian forces.

Carlos Ponce

"Without a teleprompter, in 2017, he argued that Andrew Jackson could have prevented the Civil War from happening, when Jackson actually died 16 years before the war started." So now, Dan Freeman is re-writing what actually occurred.Let me REPEAT what I posted (Sep 11, 2019 7:37pm) earlier since Dan apparently did not read it or refused to..

Trump said in the interview "I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later you wouldn't have had the Civil War....he had a big heart. He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said 'There's no reason for this.' "

had Andrew Jackson been a little later

had Andrew Jackson been a little later

had Andrew Jackson been a little later

Andrew Jackson saw the seeds of Civil War planted in his lifetime and was not thrilled with what those seeds were beginning. Snopes writes "he is referring to Jackson’s stolid support of the Union during an earlier incident in which South Carolina threatened to secede over the imposition of federal tariffs in 1832, when Jackson was president." "It was a crisis that could have precipitated a civil war but did not, largely because in addition to threatening military action, Jackson orchestrated a compromise requiring Congress to lower the tariffs and South Carolina to drop its ordinance. Jackson can be credited, in other words, with averting civil war (if only temporarily) in 1832."

Carlos Ponce

Read the actual exchange between Donald Trump an Nadia Murad

Nadia Murad: This is not about Isis. It's about I'm in danger as my people cannot go back. We are not million of people we are only half million people and after 2014 about 95 Yiz - 95 thousand Yazidis - They immigrated to Germany through a very dangerous way not because we want to be a Refugees but - but we cannot find a safe place to live all this happened to me They killed my mom my sixth brother. They left behind them.

Trump: Where are they now?

Nadia Murad: They killed them. They killed them. I'm - I'm still fighting just to live in safe.

In context you read Trump was asking where the Yazidi refugees were.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump once said Jefferey Epstein was a terrific guy who likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them on the younger side." That was a quote from Biographer Tim O’Brien in 2002. But later Trump kicked Epstein out of his Mar-a - Lago Golf Club for assaulting a girl at the club.

Jim Forsythe

On Wednesday, Trump tweeted that the central bank should cut interest rates to zero or even set negative interest rates. The president also called Fed officials "boneheads" in the tweet.

David Smith

And not one word about cash for clunkers .. the apex of the muslims business acumen

Gary Scoggin

Those were state programs, not federal ones. And IIRC, in terms of lbs of pollution per dollar spent, it wasn’t as bad of a program as people thought. And I’d be interested in knowing how the “Muslims” figure into this.

Carlos Ponce

"Those were state programs, not federal ones." Really?

"The Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS),["Consumer Assistance to Recycle and Save Act", H.R. 1550] colloquially known as 'cash for clunkers', was a $3 billion U.S. federal scrappage program intended to provide economic incentives to U.S. residents to purchase a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle when trading in a less fuel-efficient vehicle."

Charles Douglas

Mr. Jones> You said "How the mighty has fallen?" Who are you referring to THE CLINTON political machine? Must be! It can't be the Mighty Trump Juggernaut, for we are going to ride this force and movement for FOUR MORE years my friend. Ms Flinn> Now Ms. Flinn, you are coming with what the enemies of President Trump said could have, or might have, or most likely happened. Come on now!! Many of these clowns like Jim Comey, FBI, Jim Clapper, NSA, James Brennan CIA, and others are eyebrow DEEP in Justice Department investigations of conspiracy to commit fraud and other crimes against a sitting President. Why do you think they are as quiet as church rats now when prior to Mr. BARR becoming Attorney General, they were on the roof tops lying, screaming out false accusations, intimations, and innuendos? Can't hear from them now can we? Know Why? I'll tell you, FEAR!!! Rest assure the hammer is going to fall right where it ought to fall! It will be a sad day for the left in this country when that HAMMER of justice falls very shortly!!! I would not believe Comey, Lorreta Linch, Susan Rice, Jim Clapper, or James Brennan, nor Lisa Page and Peter Struzok as far as I could throw California! Listen, I love the dialogue, and civil debates I see happening on this board so I will end by saying, I don't want yall to get mad when that BAD MAN IN the White House sweep through the elections for FOUR MORE YEARS. The Evangelicals are praying for him, interceeding to God for him and his family and supporters, and we are supporting him. Much Love!!

Paula Flinn

I would believe all of them, starting with Jim Comey, before I would believe Trump. Comey got fired for doing his job for the people, not know-towing for Trump!

Paula Flinn

Kow-towing.

Carlos Ponce

Paula, Jim Comey will have his day in court soon. Stay Tuned.[beam]

Charles Douglas

Gary> said, "Clinton and Obama are both Christians. Are they forgiven too?" Gary help me out here, did you see Christians or the Evangelicals support Clinton, or Obama the way we see them supporting President Trump now? Who was It that got people off welfare , food stamps, and bought more jobs back to America than we have workers to work? Who was it that passed a prison reform bill aimed at helping to rectify negative incarceration injustices levied toward African-Americans? Who was it that facilitated the lowest African-American unemployment, Hispanic unemployment in this country in history and Asians too? Who was it that facilitated the lowest unemployment for women in over seventy years in this country? Who was it who made China sit up and take notice of American resolve and power? Who was it who sent a message to Syria for gasing their people? Who was it who made NATO start paying their fair share of defense bills and made them to stop depending on Americans to die for them and pay their bills too? Who was it who made the world respect, not like, but RESPECT America again, and who stop kissing the hand of Egyptian Kings and bowing to Saudi Princes? If you want more sir, I can give you more!!! Who was it who rebuilt our military to be tops in the world again? Who was it who took ISIS OUT, and delegated them back to being a JV nuisance instead of a major foe? I voted for Clinton twice and Obama once because I didn't know any better! I was still on that old farm wanting somebody to give me something instead of just expecting an opportunity to maximize my potential, gifts, and talents God gave me. People tend to do bad things when the don't know, but when you know better, you should do better!! Somebody say AMEN to that!! I'm going to give myself an offering!! Much Love!

Charles Douglas

Who? BARRY-O did all that? Aaaaahaha naw, I don't think so, so don't ever try that! Much Love.

Emile Pope

Bless his heart...

Gary Scoggin

Do the evangelicals speak for all Christians? I am a Christian but certainly not an evangelical as it is defined today.



The things you listed are interesting but irrelevant to my question: Are Clinton and Obama forgiven in the sense that the President is? Or do you assert that they are not Christians?

Charles Douglas

Well Gary, according to 1 John 1:9 If a man pray and repent in his heart of his sins he can be forgiven unless he blasphemes the Holy Ghost. Now, Gary, do you know if Clinton and Obama have repented? No you don't and neither do I! God does! I don't know why you asked that question! A Christian should according to the word try to be more like Jesus and God everyday, in all that he or she does, until the final day of redemption. I can quote scriptures if I have to. A man can change at anytime, the negative to this is, no man knows where instant death lurks. You heard about the rich sinner who knew the word of God in time, kept putting change off, until death showed up unexpectedly. See he waited to late to act on it and ended up in Hell? Jesus said judge a man's fruit or you could say his love for his brother! I listed a lot of fruit in my prior post, which you said was not revelant to your trap question which I have just answered! Now suppose sir, that you do the right thing and go back and answer my WHO DID....QUESTIONS. I answered you, now don't ask me a question, answer mine. Much Love!

Gary Scoggin

Charles - I don’t doubt anyone who claims to be a Christian. If Donald Trump says he is, I take him at his word. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama claim to be Christians; I take them at their word. Do you agree with me?

My question wasn’t intended to be a trap.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, what it sounds like, if you are Trump you are forgiven. If you are a Demarcate or such, you will not be forgiven.

This is a puzzle too me, as I was under the impression that all can be forgiven.

Maybe I have not gone to the FAR RIGHT church.

Carlos Ponce

God will put his sheep on the Right, goats on the Left.

Charles Douglas

Jim> Or .... maybe you heard what you wanted to hear, and was not careful about how you heard it. 1 John 1:9 covers all churches of Jesus Christ. So does Matthew 12:31&32. So does John 13: 34&35!!!! I'll let you believe for yourself but calling scripture or the Holy Ghost a liar, is a serious consequence, and I don't think even you want to go there. Well, I'm growing tired of this thread anyway, nobody wants to play fair! I'm going to wait for the next OP-ED,... I'm starting to enjoy this.

Gary Scoggin

The good news is that the evangelicals don’t get to decide who’s a sheep and who’s a goat.

Carlos Ponce

John 10:14 - "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me--"

Paula Flinn

Gary Scoggins, no amount of irrefutable facts will convince these people who watch a steady diet of Fox News, that the Mueller Report was correct! The Russians did succeed in hacking into every states election returns, and, perhaps, changing them.

No amount of debating will bring together people who desperately want to believe a corrupt con-man, and those who have seen a pathological liar of over 12,000 lies, told in less than 3 years, and recognize that they are being conned by this guy.

There are other things to consider, too. Trump has no plan for healthcare, but not too long ago didn’t care if he kicked millions of people off of their plan.

Trump is ruining the environment including clean air and clean water, has ruined the farmers’ markets, and our foreign policy is in shambles. Our enemies are favored, and our allies are ignored. Both are dangerous policies. We are still beholden to Big Pharma and their outrageous prices.

Trump’s biggest achievement is his tax break for the rich and large corporations. Trump has already cut food stamps and Medicaid. Now, he wants to cut Medicare and SS, if he can find a way. Trump has a plan of cruelty to children and their parents going on at the border. What many don’t recognize is that the cruelty is the point for Donald Trump. It is not a Christian act, it is cruel to deliberately separate children from their parents, taking away their security for weeks or months. Stephen Miller and Donald Trump do not act like Christians. You saw it in Puerto Rico with Hurricane Maria, and now in the Bahamas with Hurricane Dorian. No Christian behavior from the top. They would be planning on sending many ships to help the people, if they were acting like Christians. This President is not interested in helping people in trouble. He is only interested in helping himself and his own image.

The Evangelicals are wrong about Trump. Why would you care what they think? Forgiveness itself is important. Asking for forgiveness is important. Receiving forgiveness is for those who ask.

Don’t worry about Clinton & Obama. All it takes is a bit of humility to ask.

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts: "Trump has no plan for healthcare". I've already shown you his plan, Paula, Th same one proposed in 2017. Have you forgotten? It is called the "American Health Care Act (AHCA)" HR 1628.

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr1628/BILLS-115hr1628pcs.pdf

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts: "The Russians did succeed in hacking into every states election returns, and, perhaps, changing them.

The conclusion was NO votes were changed. Returns were not hacked but voter data was.

Paula Flinn

Carlos, that Trump healthcare plan had everything from acne to pregnancy not covered since it was a “pre-existing condition.” It was not a good plan for all.

Gary Scoggin

“The conclusion was NO votes were changed. Returns were not hacked but voter data was.”

I guess that makes it okay then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Carlos Ponce

Paula, The proposed plan covered pre-existing conditions. Did you bother to read it? I doubt it. You would rather go with Leftist Lies than check it out. You are smarter than that! Check it out.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, voter data was accessed but not changed. States have subsequently put up firewalls to protect voter data.

Gary Scoggin

“States have subsequently put up firewalls to protect voter data.” Why do this If there was no threat? If you believe Putin over our own intelligence agencies, which our President says he does, then the threat is over. We can move on, trusting Russia and other friendly countries will leave us alone. I feel better now.

Carlos Ponce

"If you believe Putin over our own intelligence agencies, which our President says he does" Can you find me the quote where Trump says or tweets he believes Putin over America's intelligence agencies? It's no there. What he has said was that Putin seems sincere when he denies interference in our elections. That's NOT the same thing.

I can say Gary Scoggin is very sincere in his GCDN forum posts. Does that imply I believe what Gary writes? NO WAY!

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts, "Carlos, that Trump healthcare plan had everything from acne to pregnancy not covered since it was a 'pre-existing condition'.”

The plan covers preexisting conditions:

p88 line 10, 11 "(iv) Stabilizing premiums for individ-10uals with pre-existing conditions. "

P 91 lines 17- 21: "(b) NO LIMITING ACCESS TO COVERAGE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed as permitting health insurance issuers to limit access to health coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions. "

Please read the proposed plan BEFORE spreading Left -wing propaganda. They're Lies, they're lies. Easily disproven if you BOTHER to read the link for HR 1628 provided earlier:

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr1628/BILLS-115hr1628pcs.pdf

Paula Flinn

So, if it was such a good healthcare plan, Carlos, why did Sen. John McCain give it a thumbs down? How many people would have lost their healthcare and not qualified for the GOP plan had Sen. McCain given it a thumbs up? There was a very good reason Sen. McCain voted against it.

Carlos Ponce

"Carlos, why did Sen. John McCain give it a thumbs down?" McCain had a running dispute with Trump. He promised his constituents he would vote for it, informed Mitch McConnell he would vote for it, informed the White House he would vote for it. Then he voted against it.

Jim Forsythe

It's amazing that the only person that gets criticized is the one that thought it was important enough to crawl out of what was his death bed in the end. Why not criticize all that had did not vote like you wanted. All 100 voted the way that the people they represented wanted.

"Informed Mitch McConnell he would vote for it" nor exactly :That afternoon, McCain was one of four Republicans who spoke out against the "skinny repeal" plan. At a press conference, McCain, along with Sens. Lindsey Graham, Ron Johnson, and Bill Cassidy, demanded that the House give assurances that the bill wouldn't become law if it passed in the Senate.

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) returned to Washington mid-recovery from brain surgery with an impassioned speech about bipartisanship and a striking declaration that he would not support the Senate’s health care bill. “I will not vote for this bill as it is today,” McCain said on the Senate floor, after voting to proceed “to allow debate to continue and amendments to be offered.” He castigated the bill’s secretive process and called for the Senate to “return to regular order” in the Senate. Six hours later, McCain voted for the Senate’s health care bill.

Technically, he voted on a senate procedural matter — on whether or not the bill satisfied budget rules. And on Tuesday, McCain’s aide pressed that he did not vote for the bill, but rather in favor of opening the amendment process.

Carlos Ponce

"crawl out of what was his death bed" no that's hyperbole. He had enough strength to grandstand before the cameras on his vote. Was he 100%? No. but "crawl out of what was his death bed' - No.

Paula Flinn

Carlos, I believe Sen. McCain was concerned that thousands of people would have lost their only healthcare plan (the ACA) without a GOP replacement plan that would serve them as well. The GOP plan was lacking in some way.

Jim Forsythe

Why not criticize all that had did not vote like you wanted. All 100 voted the way that the people they represented wanted? And all you do is talk about McCain, and none of the others! A majority of the Senators where Republican and his vote was not the only one that caused the vote to not go your way. Why not criticize the others?------------------------------------

I don't remember who, mentioned that it was the same cancer that Ted had, I got the picture," McCain wrote.

McCain's physicians did not think that he should travel to Washington for the debate and vote over health care before undergoing chemotherapy and radiation.

His death was at home, in his bed.

He died with his wife and family beside him, at his home in Cornville, Arizona

McCain returned to the Senate on July 25, less than two weeks after brain surgery. If you have ever known anyone that has this type of treatment, crawl out of bed is what they do. He died in his bed, so it was his death bed.

Carlos Ponce

Now, if Jim was there to see McCain CRAWL out of bed I would believe him. [rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

If you have ever known anyone that has this type of treatment, crawl out of bed is what they do. This is what happen to my Mother, and I I know what he went thru

Yours's and Trump hate for McCain is great. McCain was a decorate war hero and Trump was what fighting what war? Fighting the war of STD's. " Trump Boasted of Avoiding STDs While Dating: Vaginas Are 'Landmines ... It Is My Personal Vietnam'"

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Is this how you also think?



Why not criticize all that had did not vote like you wanted. All 100 voted the way that the people they represented wanted? And all you do is talk about McCain, and none of the others! A majority of the Senators where Republican and his vote was not the only one that caused the vote to not go your way. Why not criticize the others?

Carlos Ponce

Video of McCain at the time of the vote shows he was far above "crawling".

Gary Scoggin

The Trump acolytes hate McCain because they’ve been instructed to. Their scorn continues beyond the grave. Let’s see if Carlos can say one nice thing about the man.

Carlos Ponce

I voted for John McCain. Can Gary Scoggin make the same claim?

Gary Scoggin

Yes. I voted for him, too. In fact I used to have a McCain 2000 tee shirt from when I supported him in the primary against Geo. W Bush.

Carlos Ponce

Did you vote McCain for President in 2008?

Jim Forsythe

As I was using a metaphor which was that he crawled out of the bed that ended up being his death bed. "Extended metaphors are those that not only claim similarity between two subjects, but also goes forth and compares the various aspects of both subjects as well. It can be considered as a metaphor within another metaphor." Less than two weeks after brain surgery and against his physicians who did not think that he should travel to Washington. And you want to make it sound like he was in no pain.

Carlos, Why not criticize all that had did not vote like you wanted. All 100 voted the way that the people they represented wanted? And all you do is talk about McCain, and none of the others! A majority of the Senators where Republican and his vote was not the only one that caused the vote to not go your way. Why not criticize the others?

Carlos Ponce

"As I was using a metaphor....." When Donald Trump uses a metaphor, Jim Forsythe calls it a LIE.[rolleyes]

Gary Scoggin

“Did you vote McCain for President in 2008?” Yes.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, Why not criticize all that had did not vote like you wanted. All 100 voted the way that the people they represented wanted? And all you do is talk about McCain, and none of the others! A majority of the Senators where Republican and his vote was not the only one that caused the vote to not go your way. Why not criticize the others?

Carlos Ponce

Jim, McCain ran for re-election on the promise to vote for eliminating Obamacare. He did not keep his promise. The others who voted against the bill did not make that promise.

Jim Forsythe

McCain ran on repealing Obamacare. Murkowski and Collins also ran on repealing and replacing Obamacare. Why did they do vote no? Because it offered no replacement was the main reason. Do you expect a Senator to vote for a bill that is lacking on points that are important to them? Also, doing away with funding for Planned Parenthood was also a big reason. If you are going to be upset with McCain, you also have to be upset with Murkowski and Collins.

One of the reason Murkowski and Collins opposed the "skinny repeal" -- it would have eliminated funding for Planned Parenthood and similar providers, which both of them made clear they would oppose.

McCain on doing it the right way: While the amendment would have repealed some of Obamacare's most burdensome regulations, it offered no replacement to actually reform our health care system and deliver affordable, quality health care to our citizens," he said. "We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation's governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people.

Murkowski:As I've been saying, the Senate should take a step back and engage in a bipartisan process to address the failures of the [Affordable Care Act] and stabilize the individual markets,"

Carlos Ponce

"Murkowski and Collins also ran on repealing and replacing Obamacare." Incorrect. but thank you for Murkowski's statement wanting to amend Obamacare, not repeal it. You prove your earlier statement was WRONG.

Jim Forsythe

The vote was not a surprise. McCain had already said he would not for it. He also said that the lack of extensive hearings, debate was one of the reasons he could not vote for it. If your position is that it was OK for Murkowski and Collins vote no, because they said how they would vote ahead of time, then the same goes with McCain.

WASHINGTON — Arizona Sen. John McCain said Friday he will not support a last-gasp Republican effort to repeal Obamacare, making him the second Republican lawmaker to do so, casting significant doubt on the GOP effort to repeal Obamacare. “I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal. I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried," McCain said in a statement. "Nor could I support it without knowing how much it will cost, how it will affect insurance premiums, and how many people will be helped or hurt by it." To make a Sept. 30 deadline, Republican senators intended to bring the bill offered by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. and Bill Cassidy, R-La., to the floor without the usual full analysis from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

“I would consider supporting legislation similar to that offered by my friends Senators Graham and Cassidy were it the product of extensive hearings, debate and amendment,” he said. “But that has not been the case. Instead, the specter of the September 30th budget reconciliation deadline has hung over this entire process.”

McCain endorsed the Democratic approach. “Senators Alexander and Murray have been negotiating in good faith to fix some of the problems with Obamacare,” he said. “But I fear that the prospect of one last attempt at a strictly Republican bill has left the impression that their efforts cannot succeed. I hope they will resume their work should this last attempt at a partisan

Gary Scoggin

Jim. Don’t waste your electrons. The McCain haters won’t say anything nice about the war hero until Hannity gives them permission. And that kind of permission has to come from the top.

Carlos Ponce

John McCain, “It is clear that any serious attempt to improve our health care system must begin with a full repeal and replacement of Obamacare, and I will continue fighting on behalf of the people of Arizona to achieve it.”

Jim Forsythe

You are right Gary. I forgot that I was talking about Trump, who prompted outrage by saying that McCain's capture during the Vietnam War — during which he was tortured and imprisoned for five years — meant he wasn't a hero.

"He's not a war hero," Trump said. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."

For a President to talk like this, about someone that put his life on the line for us, is not acceptable.

Just like the long line of Presidents and ones in Congress, such as Bob Dole, JFK and other's, we should all honor the Sacrifice they did for all.

Gary Scoggin

"He's not a war hero," Trump said. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."

I don’t understand how anyone who loves our country and those that have defended it can not be appalled at this statement. It would be interesting to see if Carlos was offended by this or if he could muster a defense of it.

Gary Scoggin

Until I hear differently I'll assume that Carlos agrees with Donald Trump's statement above. I would have thought he had higher regard for our POWs.

Carlos Ponce

Assume what you want but when one assumes it makes him look like an.... Let's see, what are the first three letters of "assume"?

Jim Forsythe

Again with the names. Carlos, do you agree with Trump? "He's not a war hero," Trump said. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured." This is a yes or no answer.

Charles Douglas

Gary> You are correct, ...and therefore I do agree! See you on the next Good thread. Much Love!

Mike Zeller

Some people mix to much religion in with their politics, and vice versa. Thomas Jefferson believed in "separation of church and state". I agree.

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